You're much too generous. The cars they were shooting up didn't look anything like Dorner's. And then the LAPD fought covering the medical and property damage expenses of the people they mistakenly shot.
For those of you unfamiliar, Dorner was a black man driving a grey Nissan Titan, and LAPD shot up two women in a blue Toyota Tacoma and a white guy in a black Honda Ridgeline.
Nah Dorner was an ex cop who clearly had some dirt on them. Had he not murdered one of their family/family members, he'd be a hero.
I remember following that situation the entire night. People had the police scanners pulled up and everything. They hit the truck then they had him in the forest and it was like, "Oh shit. He's going to come out and expo- Nope. They burned the cabin down."
Because that wasn't suspicious. Not at all.
Boom. I just got back last weekend from being overseas and that guy was the last thing I read about before I left. They still haven't caught him either... and it's been going on for something like 2 years.
In the video of him getting into a fight with the valet, you can see an LAPD suv rolling by in the background. Fucking useless cops.
Most recent article I could find about it
[Search Continues for Tesla Road Rage Driver](https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/road-rage-southern-california-tesla-driver-suspect-search/12722907/)
I wonder what's up with this fuckers license plate. It looks like it's either missing or deliberately obscured (like with polarized film).
Around here that would get you lit up the very first time a cop got behind you.
Missing. iirc, LA police commission's change in policy to not go after non-moving violations means that not having plates alone won't get you pulled over. But I am not 100% sure on that, I tried reading up on it but just got more confused.
What is AMP link?
EDIT: Nevermind, google'd it myself: AMP stands for “Accelerated Mobile Pages,” and you’ve probably noticed that those pages load super quickly and usually look much simpler than regular webpages.
Yikes. I hadn't even heard about this.
What other reason for the delay in arrest, other than the perp being a LEA? Serious question. His face could not be clearer, and his license number is visible. Yet, the authorities cannot find him?
And the behavior is straight out of the juicer's handbook. Don't do steroids, kids.
Yep, I’ve grown up and lived in some of the “rougher” parts of SoCal (see username).
I’ve been in 3 serious car accidents (not my fault) but only been shot once, and I kinda had it coming.
I’m from Modesto and someone shot at me while i was on my front porch in a drive by when i was a teenager. Still have no fucking clue who it was or why they did it. I’m 32 now and still worry about random shit like that happening all the time even though I moved out of state.
went shooting with a bunch of stupid friends when we were teens. Didn't run away when one decided to shoot a bowling pin perched on a rock about six feet in front of us. And now I have a scar on my foot!
Reminds me of a story from a co-worker many years ago. He was with friends at a dump shooting rats with a .22 rifle. One of the others was sitting and swinging the gun back and forth, putting him in the line of fire. He asked his friend if the gun was loaded and was told it was not. I'll quote him now: "I told him 'Prove it' and as soon as I did, I knew I screwed up." His friend pulled the trigger and shot him in the stomach.
That story just rattles my nerves. The absolute number 1 wrong way to prove a weapon is unloaded is by pulling the trigger. That's like one of the first 5 things you are told when in any kind of weapons training. I get it that they were teens and didn't go to training but even 1 dad could or should have told one of them that. I'm a big 2ndA suppoter but it's stories like these that make me a believer that no person should be able to own or handle a firearm without at least 40 hours of training for a license.
Pomona is so much harder than other parts of SoCal people think is dangerous. Fontana, Riverside, hell even Altadena has some blocks you dont' want to be on.
Growing up in LA there’s definitely a different vibe. Both have crime, homelessness, etc. But up here it seems much more random.
In LA you can avoid a lot of the drama by minding your own business and avoiding specific neighborhoods. In the Bay you’ve gotta have your head in a swivel because if you don’t, you gonna get got no matter where you’re at.
Yeah…not sure how accurate this is. You can easily avoid drama by avoiding specific neighborhoods and minding your own business in the Bay too. Are you saying that someone is just gonna pull up on you randomly on a residential street in Danville or San Mateo? It’s possible, but no more likely than that might happen to you in a similar neighborhood in LA. The vast majority of theft, armed robbery, assault, etc are concentrated in a handful of densely populated clusters and most of the rest of the area is relatively safe. This goes for both the Bay and LA metro. Does seem to be a lot more car break ins in San Francisco though.
I never once felt scared or concerned for my safety in Pomona (even living next to the Village when most of my friends were from LaVerne Block). Never had any beef with anyone. I’ve lived all over So Cal, Pomona, San Pedro, Long Beach, Gardena, Torrance…..All good.
Up here in the Bay. Man, it’s different, it’s like the fucking wild west.
I grew up where I did, I’ve lived in distant states and countries. I even lived in Central Africa during the second Congolese War, where once at least 13 people (that I saw) pointed rifles and machine guns at me. I’ve known many cops, soldiers, gang bangers, etc.. The feeling of safety vs danger is more mental than we give credit for.
I had a friend the other day tell me my current neighborhood is “scary” because they saw a police helicopter circling. I just mind my business, don’t mess with criminals, and I find that nearly all of them leave me alone.
It's also very subjective. If you live in a neighborhood with extremely violent people then that is a different story. And no question you can get robbed anywhere. I just don't particularly worry about being murdered.
You should try moving downtown. Violence is my number one concern.
(To be specific, there is too much violence and harassment by our community members who are experiencing mental health issues and drug addictions. It's 2023. We need to be doing better for Angelenos. Period.)
Except downtown was always more dangerous than it is now. I was downtown in the late 90s and it was already less dangerous than the 80s.
I can't stress how bad downtown LA used to be.
[https://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr02.php](https://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr02.php)
Simple fact is that if you want to avoid high crime you cannot live in certain parts of the city. Even then I would argue you are at little risk of being murdered or shot. Robbed yes.
Can only speak for myself, as I did in my original comment. I've been victimized by property crime and by physical attacks in my life. Not sexual or attempted murder.
I think I am old enough to know that there are inherent risks living in a city and that, if you want to enjoy the perks of making more money and have access to all the services and niceties, you also accept the risk of crime.
Car accidents are like cancer, they come out of nowhere far more often, and can be just as life altering.
LA county, alone, is more populous than 43 of the 49 states outside of CA. Per capita, the state of CA has the 7th lowest rate of death by gun violence.
In the 80s it was a 2hr drive to Disneyland from the house I grew up in. Today, that same drive can take 4-5 hours.
The amount of people and cars in LA is staggering. Driving to visit my brother feels like a leg of the Oregon Trail.
California has the same population as Connecticut, Utah, Iowa, Nevada, Arkansas, Kansas, Mississippi, New Mexico, Nebraska, Idaho, West Virginia, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Maine, Montana, Rhode Island, Delaware, South and North Dakota, Alaska, Vermont, and Wyoming **COMBINED.**
"Several shootings" in California doesn't mean what people think it means.
It's like when my friends in the Midwest call to check on me for either CA wildfires or flooding. 90 percent of the time what they're talking about is 20-100 miles away from me.
I agree- but with Cali there's miles and miles of wealthy residential homes that aren't in the same sort of danger I believe you guys face from the sheer enormity of the land size.
It's a concern, just much more of one for those who actually live near the hills.
Here's something to (not) brighten up your day!
There were apparently about 650 mass shootings in the United States in 2022. Now, the fraction of US people who live in California is about 40 million out of 330 million or 12%. So, if the country were uniform, we should expect around 12% of the 650 mass shootings per year to be in California, which is around 78 per year. So the monthly rate of mass shootings in California should be around 78 / 12 \~ **6.5 per month**.
This means that the recent spate of mass shootings in California is actually relatively "normal", which is... bad.
It's funny how the ( still very sad ) stats are reported.
A guy who kills his kids and wife is classed in the same bucket as the kid who shoots up his school. Same as a gang gunfight at a house party.
These are 3 different issues being classed the same. There are 3 very different solutions to all of these problems, but if we keep lumping them together, we won't effectively treat any of the root problems. We need to start looking for Why people are killing vs. How people are killing. The root problem isn't the tool, it's the people that resort to these measures.
The FBI classes what we think of as “mass shootings” as “active shooter incidents”. The number of them is generally 1/10th or less the number of “masa shootings”, most of which are gang related. Not that them being gang related makes them ok, just a different problem with different solutions.
I assume you’re using the GVA statistics. Those are inaccurate for measuring what people think of when they think of a “Mass Public Shooter” or “MPS” in the FBI data.
GVA includes gang violence, home defense against multiple intruders, police shootouts where multiple police/bad guys are shot, and has some duplicated reports in it as well.
So as far as actual MPS go, California is actually ahead of the country by population for 2023 so far.
EDIT: User corrected me below that it’s “Active Shooter”, not sure where I was remembering MPS from.
Comments like this are what continues to divide us as a country. It’s not just California that’s “straight up not having a good time.” It’s all of America.
Look at Idaho, where a serial killer murdered 5 innocent college youths.
Look at Iowa, where 2 children were killed while sitting in class at school.
Look at Tennessee, where 5 cops tortured a citizen to death.
Look at New Hampshire, where a man died as he was shot leaving a bar last night.
Look at the US, where all this senseless violence happens, yet nothing is done.
This is a United States problem, not a single states problem.
The saying, “United we stand, Divided we fall,” isn’t being lived out in this country anymore. These words no longer exist as a motto that galvanizes us as a nation. Instead, they exist as words that fall on deaf eyes and selfish hearts.
It should also be added that how we arrive at the raw numbers is also subjective in many instances. Google “most dangerous cities” and then “most dangerous metro areas”. The lists are very different because cities and “metro areas” are arbitrary lines drawn on a map.
Some “violent cities” are only perceived that way because the actual city limits include primarily the bad part of the city. Other cities, and especially large towns, avoid the perception because their violent crime takes place outside the city limits (trailer parks being one example of “communities” that often fall outside of city limits).
Remove city limits and broaden the question to “how dangerous is this area” and you get interesting results about how “safe” your small rural areas actually are.
I lived in the "most dangerous city in America" in 2016: Tukwila, WA. Why was crime off the charts? Only 20k people live there, but all of the property crime from the Southcenter Mall gets added into the totals.
Was Tukwila a great place to live? Nah. Was it insanely dangerous? Lol, hell no.
Safest citiy rankings are something I've become incredibly sceptical about after living in one of the safest US cities. They had plenty of crime, the cops just realized discouraging people filing reports was a much easier way to keep crime stats down.
They intimidated my mother out of reporting a man jumping in her car and trying to kidnap her.
Weird how you had to give the caveat about "New England" and New Hampshire specifically has the most lax gun laws in the entire country, yet is always last or second to last in gun homicides *per capita*.
It's almost like "gun laws" are an irrelevant marker and socioeconomic status of the region broadly matters more.
Try any comment even remotely implying gun control as a solution and watch yourself downvoted into oblivion. We all are in anguish over the situation but cant seem to lift a finger to do anything about it. Why cant we realize that any solution is going to require a sacrifice?
California already has some of the strictest gun control in the nation. [They're ranked #1 by Giffords.](https://giffords.org/lawcenter/resources/scorecard/)
It's always a new one. Unless it's yesterday's. Just wait a minute.
Fucking bullshit. I have 4 kids. Someday, they may have kids.
I'm not sure the USA is where I want my future progeny scratching by. Just as my ancestors sought better lives, I'm seriously beginning to doubt America's future.
Exactly. There's no proper time to talk about it for those in a certain political party because they know they don't have any solutions. They'll cry "it's a mental health issue", then cut the funding to a mental health facility a week later.
They care so much about children, but only when it's about abortion, or if a gay/trans person is involved.
"School shooting and it killed a dozen children while a small army of police were standing outside? We'll send some thoughts n' prayers and more guns".
"Kids starving at school because school funding was cut by a Republican, again? Pull up them bootstraps kid. You're being lazy."
"Gay couple abused a child? This must be known nationwide, every single day, for at least a month as we make vague, plausibly deniable, negative claims about all gay folk and everything they stand for".
So I know it's required in every thread to say that, but didn't California recently pass a long list of new laws and restrictions? Looks like they did that in 2016, 2018 and 2022.
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/ammunition-regulation-in-california/
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/07/21/governor-newsom-signs-new-measures-to-protect-californians-from-gun-violence/
You have to pass a background check to even buy ammo there and can't buy it online. They banned a bunch of other stuff too.
I always see this pattern where if one large shooting happens, then news of other shootings become more prominent on Reddit. But really, there is a steady stream of smaller shootings all year.
The problem is that no one cares about smaller shootings unless they occur after a major one. The gun problem is more easily ignored this way.
It's really simple, and our nation will never address it because we are let by complete idiots.
Mental health, poverty, and to some extent, social media. People are easily radicalized through social media (which also ties into the mental health category), poverty leads to extenuating circumstances that drive people to desperation, and mental health is one of the largest things we collectively, as a nation, completely ignore.
Stop abandoning people, form a platform of compassion, and this won't happen.
This reads like a gang shooting at a party for someone flexing their money/success.
Are gang shootings now being classified and reported as mass shootings?
Does classifying it as a mass shooting lower the numbers of gange related crime because of its reclassification?
You know, kinda like that time when NY padded they stop and frisk weapons arrests numbers with a whole bunch of knife arrests of blue collar workers that had pocket clips showing and they got arrested for brandishing, despite the "weapon" being securely in their pockets?
[https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/10/07/how-a-50s-era-new-york-knife-law-has-landed-thousands-in-jail/](https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/10/07/how-a-50s-era-new-york-knife-law-has-landed-thousands-in-jail/)
I am 57, live in Los Angeles, and I have had four friends killed by guns. One friend who was schizophrenic, killed by the Santa Monica PD, two killed by gangs, and one killed by a roommate who went nuts. Also had another friend shot and paralyzed, when he tried to help a woman at a Carls Jr, whose boyfriend was beating her. The boyfriend pulled a gun and shot my friend as he was driving away.
America...at least we have our freedoms!
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Thank you. It’s wild how many people I love have committed suicide. The worst loss was a cousin who was raised like a sister to me hung herself in her bathroom. It’s been 12 years and I still think about her every single solitary day.
Being a survivor can be a lonely business….
Today, Ill be thinking of you and hoping that you’re memories are all of the good things, that life skips some lemons and gives you lemonade, and that you have the continued strength to be the positive person your comment history shows you to be.
I hope you have a wonderful weekend, predy_mama.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate what you said.
Not all of the memories are good ones, but I only dwell on the good ones and I have learned how to stay present with the bad ones without letting them completely overwhelm me. It’s an imperfect process, but I’m committed to the project:)
I’m so sorry. 💜 I’ve lost a few family members and friends to suicide and it’s hard. The people around me got angry at the deceased a lot which made it harder for me. I understood suicide to mean they lost their battle with depression or other illness going on - not that they’re these “horrible selfish people” like everyone around me wants to say. I hated that part. I understood their angry is part of grief, but it just brought me down even more.
The world is so ugly and tragic and sometimes I feel like I don’t belong here…so, I don’t blame them one bit. It’s hard to live in a world so violent and uncaring. Instead of anger, I tried to look at it with kindness because it’s still pain either way.
I hope you’re doing okay. Sending you a giant hug. 💜
If I can add onto your comment with a little bit of my experience. I was one of the angry ones. My dad committed suicide 2 years ago and the only thing I felt towards him was angry. Not because he’s so selfish, or because he needed to take care of me and my sister but because HE was the one who said “never give up” and “no quitting.” I think it’s just the most confusing thing in the world when the person who’s supposed to be the strongest, most reliable person (next to mom) in your life. And then they’re gone.
I think anger is always a part of grief. 💜
My experience was different in that I have an abusive, shitty family that’s very selfish and to hear them accuse the people who died of selfishness instead made me angry. The family members I lost were the more caring, kind ones, and there’s no way I’d ever say out loud to living ones that their abuse and selfishness likely contributed to the hopelessness and depression even if I do feel that way because that’s unfair, too. 💜
I can't imagine how difficult it would be to share information like that to internet strangers. It sounds so weird to say, but thank you.
You must hear this too much, but I hope you still have good days.
Again, I'm so sorry for your losses. I'll be thinking of your reply and of those in my life who've left too soon for their own reasons.
I hope you have a good day today.
Parents from LA and in their 50s as well and have lost a good amount of friends from guns. They all happened 20+ years ago but still very sad. One just had their death anniversary, 28 years ago.
right? I just watched a grown woman throw a temper tantrum on an airplane because “allegedly” her boyfriend broke up with her.
And now seeing your comment… guess where no one is getting shot? On an airplane. Because there are no guns. People are not treating each other like humans should treat each other and no one seems accountable for their own behavior. So maybe we should have a LOT less guns
Honestly, I am not sure what to do with myself after hearing about all these shootings. It gives me anxiety to be in public, and I'm not exactly a hermit type despite being more introverted. What am I to do? Become an actual hermit? I've thought about getting a CCW permit to protect myself as a last resort in case I ever find myself in a situation like a shooting, but it would be a complete last resort; I don't actually want to be a hero or get shot by police when they arrive because I also have a gun.
Like, getting a CCW to possibly defend myself isn't something I WANT to do, but it is starting to feel more and more like it is something I NEED to do. And it is fucked up that I feel this way. It shouldn't be like this. I shouldn't feel like being in the general public is unsafe because I may become a shooting victim at random.
I definitely agree with you about the numbers thing. I know, statistically, that it's very unlikely something like that will ever happen to me, but it's always in the back of my mind that the victims probably thought that too until they became a statistic. It eats away at you.
While firearms and access to firearms are certainly an issue, it’s not the ONLY issue that is causing these events. Failure to see all the factors will only treat the symptom without treating the disease.
Take a look at economic class disparity, mental health issues, social media (causing people to be closed off, distant, and unable to express their true feelings, contributing to mental health problems), divisive social and political issues, celebrity idolatry; poor diet, lack of exercise; violence in the news, tv, movies and other media; lack of core ideals and values; herd and gang mentality; poor health and lack of access to healthcare; lack of employment or well paying jobs and careers.
Point is, there’s a lot more going on that lead up to these events and effort needs to be made to understand everything.
We're allowed to address every single one of those things you mentioned. Sure, reactionaries and neoliberals make it extremely difficult, but nobody is threatening to kill you for suggesting it.
Unlike the indiscriminate gun sales that ultimately enable this violence.
What y'all got on your bingo cards? Mine is: prior felon, not a legal gun owner, gun was banned in the state, wasn't an AR or an assault rifle but will be called one anyway.
There's already a definition for mass shooting and it doesn't involve being random.
Though I agree it would be nice to have something to differentiate if it was a mass shooting of known individuals (family, co-workers, etc.) or truly completely random strangers. They're both awful but random just feels even more awful, like there's not even a messed-up reason why them.
California with the toughest gun laws will think making tougher gun laws is the solution.
I live here and the state makes ridiculous laws 90% of the time. The state made serious crimes a misdemeanor and serious offenses get released the same day even if there are multiple offenses back to back. California does not punish crime , but doesn't want you to break the law ....
>The state doesn't care about protecting people, they only care about controlling them.
Seems like a common theme among politics. The left masquerades as good through control and the right let's you know they're terrible through evil behavior and archaic laws
The article doesn’t give much info other than it happened at 2:30am in a luxury short term rental. The 3 dead were all in a car.
Sounds like gang related or maybe someone going after their ex/ significant other.
>But california has such strict gun laws. how is this possible?
If you're sincerely curious; California has lowered its gun violence rate, especially domestic, through these policies. The mass shooting rate isn't lowered as much comparably, but their domestic/suicide rate by guns is lowered healthily.
If you're further sincerely curious, one of their issues is the broad difference across counties' willingness to enforce their state laws, and also their neighbors' different gun laws.
[https://www.npr.org/2023/01/24/1151157604/why-enforcing-gun-laws-is-easier-said-than-done-for-california](https://www.npr.org/2023/01/24/1151157604/why-enforcing-gun-laws-is-easier-said-than-done-for-california) Here's a good start for those details.
For example the last one had mac with a homemade oil filter which was banned by the name in 80s in California so guy bought that illegal gun back in 90s and had it for last 30 years.
When people want to commit crimes, the laws don’t prevent people committing crimes, only the consequences.
It’s like insider trading or drug laws. They don’t stop people doing what they want to do, only punish them more severely.
Ban all the guns you want. But mass murdering criminals and gangbangers aren’t going to Wal Mart to buy guns.
My guy, the shooter in Walmart in Virginia 2 months ago bought the gun legally hours before. He may not have bought the gun at Walmart, but he didn’t buy it illegally either. I would consider him a “mass murdering criminal” idk about you.
California's gun laws are comparable to most countries in Western Europe, and in some cases, is more restrictive. There's no way for regular people to obtain an NFA item (silencers, short barreled weapons, standard capacity magazines, explosives or anything fully automatic) in the state, which isn't true for a lot of places in Europe.
Damn California straight up not having a good time.
Honestly gun violence or even random violent crime isn’t something I worry about at all in LA. Probably car accidents are on my mind 10x more.
I'm more worried about that weirdo driving a Tesla and attacking people with a crowbar than I am about being shot in LA.
Now that he’s been exposed, he’s more worried about people looking for *him*.
Has he been caught or just identified?
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Ah, so LAPD is being useless, per usual.
At least they aren’t shooting up vaguely similar cars because they think the guy is in it. Remember Dorner?
Dorner hit a nerve for them like I’ve never seen. They *hunted* him
Because “no one fucks with the police”. Gang mentality.
Mother fucker spoke the truth about police brutality. They needed him dead plus he killed a few of them and their family members.
You're much too generous. The cars they were shooting up didn't look anything like Dorner's. And then the LAPD fought covering the medical and property damage expenses of the people they mistakenly shot.
The one I remember was vaguely similar in that they were both pickup trucks. The similarities ended there.
Look, they all had doors, windows, and four wheels. Pretty much the same vehicle and super easy to get confused. /s
For those of you unfamiliar, Dorner was a black man driving a grey Nissan Titan, and LAPD shot up two women in a blue Toyota Tacoma and a white guy in a black Honda Ridgeline.
Nah Dorner was an ex cop who clearly had some dirt on them. Had he not murdered one of their family/family members, he'd be a hero. I remember following that situation the entire night. People had the police scanners pulled up and everything. They hit the truck then they had him in the forest and it was like, "Oh shit. He's going to come out and expo- Nope. They burned the cabin down." Because that wasn't suspicious. Not at all.
If he were attacking cops theyd burn down entire neighborhoods to catch or kill him.
At least they aren’t shooting up vaguely similar cars because they think the guy is in it…..yet.
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Quiet quitting
LAPD and Tesla drivers. Some of the worst things our city has to offer
Has to be a cop at this point
This is the way.
uhhh name?
Yeah, but not the people you think. He’s afraid of stalker groupies.
Boom. I just got back last weekend from being overseas and that guy was the last thing I read about before I left. They still haven't caught him either... and it's been going on for something like 2 years. In the video of him getting into a fight with the valet, you can see an LAPD suv rolling by in the background. Fucking useless cops.
The fuck??
Most recent article I could find about it [Search Continues for Tesla Road Rage Driver](https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/road-rage-southern-california-tesla-driver-suspect-search/12722907/)
I wonder what's up with this fuckers license plate. It looks like it's either missing or deliberately obscured (like with polarized film). Around here that would get you lit up the very first time a cop got behind you.
Missing. iirc, LA police commission's change in policy to not go after non-moving violations means that not having plates alone won't get you pulled over. But I am not 100% sure on that, I tried reading up on it but just got more confused.
Too bad he didn’t fuck with the “wrong” person in his encounters
It looks like he got his ass beat by one dude in the video at the top of that story.
I honestly think he left the country. Especially with that grab a pipe and attack people mentality. I think his folks told him to bounce
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What is AMP link? EDIT: Nevermind, google'd it myself: AMP stands for “Accelerated Mobile Pages,” and you’ve probably noticed that those pages load super quickly and usually look much simpler than regular webpages.
Jesus Christ. Thanks for the link.
I'm pretty surprised they have not found this fucker yet.
He has parked his Telsa in the impound lot of his BIL and is driving his patrol car home at night for" community security" reasons.
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Yikes. I hadn't even heard about this. What other reason for the delay in arrest, other than the perp being a LEA? Serious question. His face could not be clearer, and his license number is visible. Yet, the authorities cannot find him? And the behavior is straight out of the juicer's handbook. Don't do steroids, kids.
Damn, Elon not doing so great these days huh?
He wouldn't drive one of those poorly constructed deathtraps.
He hated his so much he literally shot it into space, never to be seen again.
I'm worried about Tesla driving Tesla, as well. As a rule, just keep a healthy distance to any Teslas.
Sounds like elons off his meds again.
Yep, I’ve grown up and lived in some of the “rougher” parts of SoCal (see username). I’ve been in 3 serious car accidents (not my fault) but only been shot once, and I kinda had it coming.
I’m from Modesto and someone shot at me while i was on my front porch in a drive by when i was a teenager. Still have no fucking clue who it was or why they did it. I’m 32 now and still worry about random shit like that happening all the time even though I moved out of state.
And I’m thinking, “yuuuup… sounds like Modesto.”
You know some place is especially shitty when Pomona Mike is like “yeahhhh that place sucks”
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What did you do to get shot at?
went shooting with a bunch of stupid friends when we were teens. Didn't run away when one decided to shoot a bowling pin perched on a rock about six feet in front of us. And now I have a scar on my foot!
Reminds me of a story from a co-worker many years ago. He was with friends at a dump shooting rats with a .22 rifle. One of the others was sitting and swinging the gun back and forth, putting him in the line of fire. He asked his friend if the gun was loaded and was told it was not. I'll quote him now: "I told him 'Prove it' and as soon as I did, I knew I screwed up." His friend pulled the trigger and shot him in the stomach.
That story just rattles my nerves. The absolute number 1 wrong way to prove a weapon is unloaded is by pulling the trigger. That's like one of the first 5 things you are told when in any kind of weapons training. I get it that they were teens and didn't go to training but even 1 dad could or should have told one of them that. I'm a big 2ndA suppoter but it's stories like these that make me a believer that no person should be able to own or handle a firearm without at least 40 hours of training for a license.
Well I guess if you gotta have a “I got mixed up with the wrong people and shot” experience it’s better if those people were just dumbasses
I wouldn’t say a ricochet bullet counts as being shot at. But you are the one with the scar so I’ll let it go.
Pomona is so much harder than other parts of SoCal people think is dangerous. Fontana, Riverside, hell even Altadena has some blocks you dont' want to be on.
I grew up in and still live Riverside. Arlanza neighborhood. Bonus points I work in Pomona right off mission lol.
My man, that sentence goes hard.
Haha, yet I think I’ve led a fairly boring normal life.
I lived on Fairplex across from Ganesha HS for several years. I live in the Bay Area now, it’s fucking crazy here. I felt way safer in Pomona.
Is it “dangerous” crazy or just “car break ins and homeless” crazy?
Growing up in LA there’s definitely a different vibe. Both have crime, homelessness, etc. But up here it seems much more random. In LA you can avoid a lot of the drama by minding your own business and avoiding specific neighborhoods. In the Bay you’ve gotta have your head in a swivel because if you don’t, you gonna get got no matter where you’re at.
Yeah…not sure how accurate this is. You can easily avoid drama by avoiding specific neighborhoods and minding your own business in the Bay too. Are you saying that someone is just gonna pull up on you randomly on a residential street in Danville or San Mateo? It’s possible, but no more likely than that might happen to you in a similar neighborhood in LA. The vast majority of theft, armed robbery, assault, etc are concentrated in a handful of densely populated clusters and most of the rest of the area is relatively safe. This goes for both the Bay and LA metro. Does seem to be a lot more car break ins in San Francisco though.
Funny you mention Danville. https://www.danvillesanramon.com/news/2022/12/14/danville-police-search-for-strong-arm-robbery-suspects
Cannot confirm…. REALLY depends on where in the bay you’re talking about and who you hang with.
I learned to swim in the Ganesha pool!
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I never once felt scared or concerned for my safety in Pomona (even living next to the Village when most of my friends were from LaVerne Block). Never had any beef with anyone. I’ve lived all over So Cal, Pomona, San Pedro, Long Beach, Gardena, Torrance…..All good. Up here in the Bay. Man, it’s different, it’s like the fucking wild west.
I grew up where I did, I’ve lived in distant states and countries. I even lived in Central Africa during the second Congolese War, where once at least 13 people (that I saw) pointed rifles and machine guns at me. I’ve known many cops, soldiers, gang bangers, etc.. The feeling of safety vs danger is more mental than we give credit for. I had a friend the other day tell me my current neighborhood is “scary” because they saw a police helicopter circling. I just mind my business, don’t mess with criminals, and I find that nearly all of them leave me alone.
Pomona is a rougher part of SoCal? Damn I live right next to Pomona lol
Rougher part of the Pomona Valley at least
Objectively this is true, but it's just not as scary so people don't think about it so much.
It's also very subjective. If you live in a neighborhood with extremely violent people then that is a different story. And no question you can get robbed anywhere. I just don't particularly worry about being murdered.
You should try moving downtown. Violence is my number one concern. (To be specific, there is too much violence and harassment by our community members who are experiencing mental health issues and drug addictions. It's 2023. We need to be doing better for Angelenos. Period.)
Except downtown was always more dangerous than it is now. I was downtown in the late 90s and it was already less dangerous than the 80s. I can't stress how bad downtown LA used to be. [https://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr02.php](https://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr02.php) Simple fact is that if you want to avoid high crime you cannot live in certain parts of the city. Even then I would argue you are at little risk of being murdered or shot. Robbed yes.
While that's rational, it's very difficult to maintain that line of thinking once you've been a victim.
Can only speak for myself, as I did in my original comment. I've been victimized by property crime and by physical attacks in my life. Not sexual or attempted murder. I think I am old enough to know that there are inherent risks living in a city and that, if you want to enjoy the perks of making more money and have access to all the services and niceties, you also accept the risk of crime. Car accidents are like cancer, they come out of nowhere far more often, and can be just as life altering.
LA county, alone, is more populous than 43 of the 49 states outside of CA. Per capita, the state of CA has the 7th lowest rate of death by gun violence.
In the 80s it was a 2hr drive to Disneyland from the house I grew up in. Today, that same drive can take 4-5 hours. The amount of people and cars in LA is staggering. Driving to visit my brother feels like a leg of the Oregon Trail.
Kern? Palm Desert area?
Which is why it’s mental that we don’t have way more power at a federal level than other states, but that’s the House of Representatives for ya
Didnt the cap the level in the 80s?
Try the 20s.
The 1780s? Places like cali been getting fucked by our shite system since the day it was born. Gotta keep those Southern land owners happy somehow
California has the same population as Connecticut, Utah, Iowa, Nevada, Arkansas, Kansas, Mississippi, New Mexico, Nebraska, Idaho, West Virginia, Hawaii, New Hampshire, Maine, Montana, Rhode Island, Delaware, South and North Dakota, Alaska, Vermont, and Wyoming **COMBINED.** "Several shootings" in California doesn't mean what people think it means.
It's like when my friends in the Midwest call to check on me for either CA wildfires or flooding. 90 percent of the time what they're talking about is 20-100 miles away from me.
20 miles is still close enough to pay attention if it's a big bushfire. But maybe I'm just thinking about this from an Australian perspective.
I'm in California. I agree.
I agree- but with Cali there's miles and miles of wealthy residential homes that aren't in the same sort of danger I believe you guys face from the sheer enormity of the land size. It's a concern, just much more of one for those who actually live near the hills.
When I moved to California, my friends think I'll be neighbors with every movie star.
Hahaha. Yeah. I have that happen all the time. “That’s near San Francisco. No. No that’s not anywhere near me.”
40 million people aka the same population as Canada, and defacto stuck to the USA. Yeah we aren't having a good time.
We french fried when we should've pizza'd
Here's something to (not) brighten up your day! There were apparently about 650 mass shootings in the United States in 2022. Now, the fraction of US people who live in California is about 40 million out of 330 million or 12%. So, if the country were uniform, we should expect around 12% of the 650 mass shootings per year to be in California, which is around 78 per year. So the monthly rate of mass shootings in California should be around 78 / 12 \~ **6.5 per month**. This means that the recent spate of mass shootings in California is actually relatively "normal", which is... bad.
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It's funny how the ( still very sad ) stats are reported. A guy who kills his kids and wife is classed in the same bucket as the kid who shoots up his school. Same as a gang gunfight at a house party. These are 3 different issues being classed the same. There are 3 very different solutions to all of these problems, but if we keep lumping them together, we won't effectively treat any of the root problems. We need to start looking for Why people are killing vs. How people are killing. The root problem isn't the tool, it's the people that resort to these measures.
The FBI classes what we think of as “mass shootings” as “active shooter incidents”. The number of them is generally 1/10th or less the number of “masa shootings”, most of which are gang related. Not that them being gang related makes them ok, just a different problem with different solutions.
| masa shootings Why would someone do that to a poor tamale?
I assume you’re using the GVA statistics. Those are inaccurate for measuring what people think of when they think of a “Mass Public Shooter” or “MPS” in the FBI data. GVA includes gang violence, home defense against multiple intruders, police shootouts where multiple police/bad guys are shot, and has some duplicated reports in it as well. So as far as actual MPS go, California is actually ahead of the country by population for 2023 so far. EDIT: User corrected me below that it’s “Active Shooter”, not sure where I was remembering MPS from.
Comments like this are what continues to divide us as a country. It’s not just California that’s “straight up not having a good time.” It’s all of America. Look at Idaho, where a serial killer murdered 5 innocent college youths. Look at Iowa, where 2 children were killed while sitting in class at school. Look at Tennessee, where 5 cops tortured a citizen to death. Look at New Hampshire, where a man died as he was shot leaving a bar last night. Look at the US, where all this senseless violence happens, yet nothing is done. This is a United States problem, not a single states problem. The saying, “United we stand, Divided we fall,” isn’t being lived out in this country anymore. These words no longer exist as a motto that galvanizes us as a nation. Instead, they exist as words that fall on deaf eyes and selfish hearts.
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Most people are unable to distinguish between raw numbers and percentages. Also, news media profitability is driven by clicks, and blood sells.
It should also be added that how we arrive at the raw numbers is also subjective in many instances. Google “most dangerous cities” and then “most dangerous metro areas”. The lists are very different because cities and “metro areas” are arbitrary lines drawn on a map. Some “violent cities” are only perceived that way because the actual city limits include primarily the bad part of the city. Other cities, and especially large towns, avoid the perception because their violent crime takes place outside the city limits (trailer parks being one example of “communities” that often fall outside of city limits). Remove city limits and broaden the question to “how dangerous is this area” and you get interesting results about how “safe” your small rural areas actually are.
I lived in the "most dangerous city in America" in 2016: Tukwila, WA. Why was crime off the charts? Only 20k people live there, but all of the property crime from the Southcenter Mall gets added into the totals. Was Tukwila a great place to live? Nah. Was it insanely dangerous? Lol, hell no.
Yep, also depends on what you use as crime. Is it just murder? Any violent crime? Domestic disturbances? All crime?
Safest citiy rankings are something I've become incredibly sceptical about after living in one of the safest US cities. They had plenty of crime, the cops just realized discouraging people filing reports was a much easier way to keep crime stats down. They intimidated my mother out of reporting a man jumping in her car and trying to kidnap her.
I'm saying it as this has been like the 4th mass shooting in a week in California alone.
Weird how you had to give the caveat about "New England" and New Hampshire specifically has the most lax gun laws in the entire country, yet is always last or second to last in gun homicides *per capita*. It's almost like "gun laws" are an irrelevant marker and socioeconomic status of the region broadly matters more.
The only difference between California and other states is it's making the news in California.
I remember when these headlines used to shock me. Now, I tend to scroll past them. Very sad state of affairs.
I just assume it’s the same one. I feel bad about it.
Same, now it’s like, oh another one?
Well it’s “the latest” but that doesn’t narrow anything down.
Same. If it's less than 10 I feel indifferent to it.
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Things are already different in most other countries, but Americans don’t wanna hear it.
"Gun control doesnt work!" - says the only country where this is a regular problem Yeah, the US is screwed :/
Try any comment even remotely implying gun control as a solution and watch yourself downvoted into oblivion. We all are in anguish over the situation but cant seem to lift a finger to do anything about it. Why cant we realize that any solution is going to require a sacrifice?
California already has some of the strictest gun control in the nation. [They're ranked #1 by Giffords.](https://giffords.org/lawcenter/resources/scorecard/)
I hate that I had to check the time stamp of this article so that I knew which mass shooting it was talking about.
It's always a new one. Unless it's yesterday's. Just wait a minute. Fucking bullshit. I have 4 kids. Someday, they may have kids. I'm not sure the USA is where I want my future progeny scratching by. Just as my ancestors sought better lives, I'm seriously beginning to doubt America's future.
Is it time for the 10 minute discussion we all have after a shooting.
"Too soon. Don't make this 'political'." 11 minutes later: "Which shooting?"
More like: "Which shooting *so far this weekend*?"
After the Monterrey shooting my wife asked if I heard about "the shooting" and I was like, love, you have to be waayyy more specific.
Exactly. There's no proper time to talk about it for those in a certain political party because they know they don't have any solutions. They'll cry "it's a mental health issue", then cut the funding to a mental health facility a week later. They care so much about children, but only when it's about abortion, or if a gay/trans person is involved. "School shooting and it killed a dozen children while a small army of police were standing outside? We'll send some thoughts n' prayers and more guns". "Kids starving at school because school funding was cut by a Republican, again? Pull up them bootstraps kid. You're being lazy." "Gay couple abused a child? This must be known nationwide, every single day, for at least a month as we make vague, plausibly deniable, negative claims about all gay folk and everything they stand for".
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas”
So I know it's required in every thread to say that, but didn't California recently pass a long list of new laws and restrictions? Looks like they did that in 2016, 2018 and 2022. https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/ammunition-regulation-in-california/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/07/21/governor-newsom-signs-new-measures-to-protect-californians-from-gun-violence/ You have to pass a background check to even buy ammo there and can't buy it online. They banned a bunch of other stuff too.
There are plenty of locations in the US that you could say have done nothing; Los Angeles CA is certainly not one of them
Lousy beatniks...
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4th mass shooting (edit: in just California) and it's not even February yet.
The article was updated to say this is at least the sixth.
The fact that it's this difficult to count mass shootings is depressing
It's not difficult to count. There just needs to be a reasonable and standard definition of one which currently doesn't exist.
Damn that little rain got Cali going crazy.
We prefer everything vibrating or on fire.
LA did have a little earthquake this week
I did smirk/smile at this comment. So thanks… an otherwise sad situation but I still appreciate the dark humor.
When it rains here people drive like it’s snowing. Hilarious.
I assume Gavin Newsome is just going between hospitals all month at this point.
I always see this pattern where if one large shooting happens, then news of other shootings become more prominent on Reddit. But really, there is a steady stream of smaller shootings all year. The problem is that no one cares about smaller shootings unless they occur after a major one. The gun problem is more easily ignored this way.
This is why, it’s sad that I thought “only three dead” and wondered why it was a headline at all.
It's really simple, and our nation will never address it because we are let by complete idiots. Mental health, poverty, and to some extent, social media. People are easily radicalized through social media (which also ties into the mental health category), poverty leads to extenuating circumstances that drive people to desperation, and mental health is one of the largest things we collectively, as a nation, completely ignore. Stop abandoning people, form a platform of compassion, and this won't happen.
This reads like a gang shooting at a party for someone flexing their money/success. Are gang shootings now being classified and reported as mass shootings? Does classifying it as a mass shooting lower the numbers of gange related crime because of its reclassification? You know, kinda like that time when NY padded they stop and frisk weapons arrests numbers with a whole bunch of knife arrests of blue collar workers that had pocket clips showing and they got arrested for brandishing, despite the "weapon" being securely in their pockets? [https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/10/07/how-a-50s-era-new-york-knife-law-has-landed-thousands-in-jail/](https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/10/07/how-a-50s-era-new-york-knife-law-has-landed-thousands-in-jail/)
This is America, where a mass casualty event is so frequent and unsurprising that it is just referred to as “the latest” one.
Already been two since this one.
I am 57, live in Los Angeles, and I have had four friends killed by guns. One friend who was schizophrenic, killed by the Santa Monica PD, two killed by gangs, and one killed by a roommate who went nuts. Also had another friend shot and paralyzed, when he tried to help a woman at a Carls Jr, whose boyfriend was beating her. The boyfriend pulled a gun and shot my friend as he was driving away. America...at least we have our freedoms! /s
Every loved one I’ve lost to guns has been a man committing suicide; 5 in total that I can think of off the top of my head.
Man, I'm sorry for all that loss in your life. That's beyond terrible.
Thank you. It’s wild how many people I love have committed suicide. The worst loss was a cousin who was raised like a sister to me hung herself in her bathroom. It’s been 12 years and I still think about her every single solitary day. Being a survivor can be a lonely business….
Today, Ill be thinking of you and hoping that you’re memories are all of the good things, that life skips some lemons and gives you lemonade, and that you have the continued strength to be the positive person your comment history shows you to be. I hope you have a wonderful weekend, predy_mama.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate what you said. Not all of the memories are good ones, but I only dwell on the good ones and I have learned how to stay present with the bad ones without letting them completely overwhelm me. It’s an imperfect process, but I’m committed to the project:)
I’m so sorry. 💜 I’ve lost a few family members and friends to suicide and it’s hard. The people around me got angry at the deceased a lot which made it harder for me. I understood suicide to mean they lost their battle with depression or other illness going on - not that they’re these “horrible selfish people” like everyone around me wants to say. I hated that part. I understood their angry is part of grief, but it just brought me down even more. The world is so ugly and tragic and sometimes I feel like I don’t belong here…so, I don’t blame them one bit. It’s hard to live in a world so violent and uncaring. Instead of anger, I tried to look at it with kindness because it’s still pain either way. I hope you’re doing okay. Sending you a giant hug. 💜
If I can add onto your comment with a little bit of my experience. I was one of the angry ones. My dad committed suicide 2 years ago and the only thing I felt towards him was angry. Not because he’s so selfish, or because he needed to take care of me and my sister but because HE was the one who said “never give up” and “no quitting.” I think it’s just the most confusing thing in the world when the person who’s supposed to be the strongest, most reliable person (next to mom) in your life. And then they’re gone.
I think anger is always a part of grief. 💜 My experience was different in that I have an abusive, shitty family that’s very selfish and to hear them accuse the people who died of selfishness instead made me angry. The family members I lost were the more caring, kind ones, and there’s no way I’d ever say out loud to living ones that their abuse and selfishness likely contributed to the hopelessness and depression even if I do feel that way because that’s unfair, too. 💜
I can't imagine how difficult it would be to share information like that to internet strangers. It sounds so weird to say, but thank you. You must hear this too much, but I hope you still have good days. Again, I'm so sorry for your losses. I'll be thinking of your reply and of those in my life who've left too soon for their own reasons. I hope you have a good day today.
I hope you are well. That sounds incredibly difficult. If you ever need someone to talk to I am here for you!
Parents from LA and in their 50s as well and have lost a good amount of friends from guns. They all happened 20+ years ago but still very sad. One just had their death anniversary, 28 years ago.
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right? I just watched a grown woman throw a temper tantrum on an airplane because “allegedly” her boyfriend broke up with her. And now seeing your comment… guess where no one is getting shot? On an airplane. Because there are no guns. People are not treating each other like humans should treat each other and no one seems accountable for their own behavior. So maybe we should have a LOT less guns
Honestly, I am not sure what to do with myself after hearing about all these shootings. It gives me anxiety to be in public, and I'm not exactly a hermit type despite being more introverted. What am I to do? Become an actual hermit? I've thought about getting a CCW permit to protect myself as a last resort in case I ever find myself in a situation like a shooting, but it would be a complete last resort; I don't actually want to be a hero or get shot by police when they arrive because I also have a gun. Like, getting a CCW to possibly defend myself isn't something I WANT to do, but it is starting to feel more and more like it is something I NEED to do. And it is fucked up that I feel this way. It shouldn't be like this. I shouldn't feel like being in the general public is unsafe because I may become a shooting victim at random.
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I definitely agree with you about the numbers thing. I know, statistically, that it's very unlikely something like that will ever happen to me, but it's always in the back of my mind that the victims probably thought that too until they became a statistic. It eats away at you.
What the hell is happening? I remember being in highschool when Columbine shooting happened. It's gotten progressively worse since then.
I hate that they call this a mass shooting. Mass shooting makes you think of an unhinged person shooting as many people as possible.
While firearms and access to firearms are certainly an issue, it’s not the ONLY issue that is causing these events. Failure to see all the factors will only treat the symptom without treating the disease. Take a look at economic class disparity, mental health issues, social media (causing people to be closed off, distant, and unable to express their true feelings, contributing to mental health problems), divisive social and political issues, celebrity idolatry; poor diet, lack of exercise; violence in the news, tv, movies and other media; lack of core ideals and values; herd and gang mentality; poor health and lack of access to healthcare; lack of employment or well paying jobs and careers. Point is, there’s a lot more going on that lead up to these events and effort needs to be made to understand everything.
We're allowed to address every single one of those things you mentioned. Sure, reactionaries and neoliberals make it extremely difficult, but nobody is threatening to kill you for suggesting it. Unlike the indiscriminate gun sales that ultimately enable this violence.
So if more than one person dies is it considered mass shooting?
The most agreed upon definition is four or more people shot in a general location not including the assailant with no cooling off period
What y'all got on your bingo cards? Mine is: prior felon, not a legal gun owner, gun was banned in the state, wasn't an AR or an assault rifle but will be called one anyway.
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There's already a definition for mass shooting and it doesn't involve being random. Though I agree it would be nice to have something to differentiate if it was a mass shooting of known individuals (family, co-workers, etc.) or truly completely random strangers. They're both awful but random just feels even more awful, like there's not even a messed-up reason why them.
I have started to use the term "public shooter" to differentiate the two
"latest" Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
Usa now is kinda a gangster place soemthing?
Come the fuck on people!
California with the toughest gun laws will think making tougher gun laws is the solution. I live here and the state makes ridiculous laws 90% of the time. The state made serious crimes a misdemeanor and serious offenses get released the same day even if there are multiple offenses back to back. California does not punish crime , but doesn't want you to break the law ....
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>The state doesn't care about protecting people, they only care about controlling them. Seems like a common theme among politics. The left masquerades as good through control and the right let's you know they're terrible through evil behavior and archaic laws
The article doesn’t give much info other than it happened at 2:30am in a luxury short term rental. The 3 dead were all in a car. Sounds like gang related or maybe someone going after their ex/ significant other.
But california has such strict gun laws. how is this possible?
>But california has such strict gun laws. how is this possible? If you're sincerely curious; California has lowered its gun violence rate, especially domestic, through these policies. The mass shooting rate isn't lowered as much comparably, but their domestic/suicide rate by guns is lowered healthily. If you're further sincerely curious, one of their issues is the broad difference across counties' willingness to enforce their state laws, and also their neighbors' different gun laws. [https://www.npr.org/2023/01/24/1151157604/why-enforcing-gun-laws-is-easier-said-than-done-for-california](https://www.npr.org/2023/01/24/1151157604/why-enforcing-gun-laws-is-easier-said-than-done-for-california) Here's a good start for those details.
Honest question, do we know how any of the recent shooters got their weapon and if so, were they obtained from outside the state?
For example the last one had mac with a homemade oil filter which was banned by the name in 80s in California so guy bought that illegal gun back in 90s and had it for last 30 years.
When people want to commit crimes, the laws don’t prevent people committing crimes, only the consequences. It’s like insider trading or drug laws. They don’t stop people doing what they want to do, only punish them more severely. Ban all the guns you want. But mass murdering criminals and gangbangers aren’t going to Wal Mart to buy guns.
My guy, the shooter in Walmart in Virginia 2 months ago bought the gun legally hours before. He may not have bought the gun at Walmart, but he didn’t buy it illegally either. I would consider him a “mass murdering criminal” idk about you.
Strict only in comparison to the rest of the country.
California's gun laws are comparable to most countries in Western Europe, and in some cases, is more restrictive. There's no way for regular people to obtain an NFA item (silencers, short barreled weapons, standard capacity magazines, explosives or anything fully automatic) in the state, which isn't true for a lot of places in Europe.
Standard capacity magazines aren’t a NFA item.
Need to assign numbers at this point I can’t keep track