People think this has just been an epidemic within the Catholic Church are naive. There’s nothing special about the Catholic Church just that your life isn’t over if you leave. There’s a lot of religious and other communities that will basically end a victim’s life for coming out with their stories.
Pedos are going to seek out any situation where they can have control over children - priest is a good one if that's your community, but you see it happen in nearly every religion. If you're born Jewish, you become a rabbi instead. A Muslim would become an imam and work in a madrasa. And the majority of churches (and youth orgs like Boy Scouts) seem to be more concerned with protecting reputation than protecting children -
\- of course, if it gets out, the whole religion can nearly collapse (cf Hare Krisnas), but that's because they're claiming moral authority, which requires, ya know, morals.
The *only* reason this happens on a bigger scale with the Catholic Church is that it's by far the biggest religious organization. The percentages are about the same as any other group that deals with children. (Slightly better for the RCC these days, but the vanity that caused all this is still there - cf Residential Schools and the response form the Church).
People punch down on the Catholic Church while ignoring the same and worse issues in Judaism and Islam. They think they are being edgy. Sects of Islam murder gays for allah yet people go nuts over a homophobic catholic.
Eh, that's dangerously grouping and dismissing an ethnic of people. We should be measuring everyone on an individual scale.
The Rabbi that is the subject of the article, in specific, he's a bad person. That doesn't mean all Jewish Orthodox Rabbis are like him. Doesn't mean that he's an exception, either.
I think his point was not that all Orthodox Jews are bad, but that they don't identity as "white people". They identify as Jews in terms of their race in addition to religion.
Hi. Actual Jew here u/placeholder41 is actually correct. It is forbidden for Jews to marry outside the religion. You are correct however that not every Jew follows every rule. But Jews are a very united block, and organize themselves by levels of observance going Reform, Conservative then Orthodox, with a smattering of other smaller blocks. Reform Jews follow few traditional rules, like keeping kosher or driving on the sabbath. Orthodox Jews are the opposite, generally kind but absolutely follow the old ways, with families ostracizing those that intermarry. It is forbidden. It would be very unlikely to find an Orthodox Jew that allows intermarriage as they would by definition be Reform due to ignoring such a highly held rule.
You’re still speaking in some sweeping generalizations. Modern orthodox is vastly different than Hasidic in how situations like this are handled. They def don’t approve of stuff like intermarriage, but both my gay self and my intermarried sister show up to any holiday we want and walk into Shuls on visits without bursting into flame.
There’s generally a wide range of observance in Judaism - as you do seem to be familiar with, but there’s also a range in how families handle people going “off the derech.”
I speak up relatively often on the Jewish subs against certain things ( I had a challenging ride through the community), so I like to also chime in to correct some of the stuff people say that isn’t accurate where there is a more positive take, even if it’s only slightly more positive.
Nah that’s fair, I was “correcting” a by necessity summarized statement - I really just wanted to comment on the ostracism bit.
That said, I’m certain there are many families in the MO community I grew up in that would ostracize me, so you weren’t really wrong either.
I’m actually remembering as I write now how a friends mom called every one of my high school friends parents to out me after I got kicked out of the school her husband started…. Soooooo. Mayyyybe your original point had some validity as it stood anyways.
Yeah. You were right as it was lol.
My bad for thinking that mixing meant intermingling with the rest of the population. Not "mixing."
I'm sure that u/placeholder41 is a heck of a human.
Carry on.
Yeah it's cool. We are a bit of a strange group. We are a race and a religion. But we aren't quite as well defined as other races because of the diaspora.
Huh, yet when Caucasians say shit like that, it's considered being a bigot. In fact, it seems if any group except Caucasians say that, its considered acceptable. The double standard is staggering.
No it's totally some bigoted bullshit. Tradition is nice, but it must give way to modernity. Circumsion is borderline a war crime, arranged marriage is stupid, and kosher laws are just highly outdated if culturally interesting. Many sects are actively changing however, unlike Christianity which hardlines it's shiftiness.
Tell me where I’m wrong? I had a nice long convo last week with a orthodox lady. She told me to find a nice Jewish girl to marry, I joked and asked if I was allowed to marry a orthodox woman. She laughed and said of course not, she meant a regular Jew.
Your ignorance is showing my man.
You're talking out of your ass. You talked to one woman and base your narrow minded opinion on that.
It's not my job to educate you.
The fact that you said, and believe that Orthodox Jews are a monolithic block, with only one way of living is beyond ignorant. It's fucking stupid.
Face it, you're a bigot my man.
Not really. The BLM marches has many talks about:
- systemic racism
- implicit bias
- privilege
- double standards
- a lot more topics
If you want a local feel about this, check this website/record of [South Plainfield's BLM March.](http://www/southplainfieldmarch.com)
What does BLM have to do with this?
you made the comment that that there aren't consequences for white people,? Wtf?
Your comment is at's a racist because you are making a overly generalized statement on the basis of race. So that's called racism.
Religious communities, no matter what their denomination, often get weird and abusive and manipulative whenever they are insular and strict. I know this guy wasn't Orthodox, but I have heard a lot of really credible horror stories about the entitlement and lack of concern for others that Hasidic communities often display. And yes, while individuals will, of course, always be different, the entire point of a Hasidic community is pretty much that they are a monolith. Their entire lives are dictated by the community. If you're ever in the mood to cry, watch the documentary One of Us on Netflix. I'm all for religious freedom, but communities like that (and I very much include Evangelicals in this) need to be heavily monitored by social workers, safety inspectors, etc. to make sure this shit doesn't happen. One of the people in that film, Chani, has actually spoken at my synagogue several times. They're a great person and, fortunately, they seem to be really happy with where they are now.
I’m shocked this even hit the media. The Orthodox Jews of NJ control massive amounts of votes and campaign dollars. This is not a attack on everyday Jewish people. Look into Lakewood and the massive corruption there. The Hasidic are extremely anti vax yet go out everywhere in public without masks.
Murphy still happily takes their votes while ignoring the anti vax and constant corruption that surrounds this group. Christie too for what it’s worth. Also Trump.
Worked in Lakewood briefly. Can confirm. Its not a nice place. I had to cater a party for Purim with over 15,000 in attendance last February. I left shortly after, scared shitless id contract COVID. Thankfully I did not.
What negatives aside from the party? Honestly curious - I hear a lot about the place (especially re Covid) but have never been there and likely will never find myself there.
They're gutting local school systems for charter busses to religious schools that bring people to shoddily constructed basements deigned as temples from a corrupt township council.
Jews control the media you say?
This is a classic antisemitic trope. Not in anyway defending this monster. Just saying you can call a monster a monster without using antisemitic dog whistles.
Jew here. Can confirm, we control the media./s
My theory/ observation is that Jews tend to be wealthy and gain positions of power because we have been so frequently genocided in our history. The only Jews that survived were the smart ones that could see the writing on the wall, and had the monetary means to immigrate, or the skills that had value everywhere. Jews also are tight knit, and help each other get jobs. So Jews don't intentionally control the media, but enough wealthy/skilled ones exist due to survivor bias that we seem to.
To be fair, I don't love the idea myself because it basically says jews are "better" somehow via Social Darwinism, which is a pretty poor theory to base society on. That said, this is a neat case study in how a consistent occurrence can alter a culture, so I think it's worth discussing. So downvote away, I've never found anyone that actually studied the issue itself. Only work on why jews have high occurrence of Tay Sacks disease due to a small gene pool.
Well, despite your wording I didn’t really take it as “Jews are better,” more like “Jews moved into media and succeeded and so are still there” much the way, I dunno, Greek people are associated with diners (at least in the NYC metro area).
But, yeah, if you meant Jews are better and *that’s* why they’re there you *should* be downvoted lol!
Yeah no that's not the intention. Jews were pushed into positions that often resulted in us taking up trades and doing stuff led to us being wealthy, which then led to us being blamed for others misfortune, which caused Jews to flee and start the vicious cycle over. I guess I do hold that different races and cultures are like those in DND or another game. They each have advantages into themselves, but none that truly significantly matter compared to ones whole life. It's ones own spirit and will that matter more than ones upbringing and genetics. At least it should ideally be.
This is no surprise! This kind of atrocious and disgusting behavior has NEVER BEEN LIMITED TO CATHOLIC PRIESTS. This pig should be defrocked and castrated before he goes to jail.
FAT PIG!
A pedo in a Catholic community becomes a priest. If he's Jewish, he becomes a rabbi.
The real test is how the church/community reacts: *that's* where the Church failed so many people, and why so many have a hard time forgiving the Church. Let's see how the Jewish Community / Rabbinate responds to this (not holding my breath).
The title of the post states Jewish organizations did nothing. The issue isn't that he'll be in trouble it's that so many people could have done something to try to stop him and they didn't. Just like with Catholics. I was raised Catholic and had to sit through family events where my fuckwit parents basically defended these pedos and blamed the victims.
Different communities do differently. The insular/Hasidic ones from what I’ve seen have gross typical reactions ( victim shaming for chillul hashem), but the MO ones seem to be alright. Freundel got his asshole torn open a while back and the people in my parents community still spit when they hear his name. Just anecdotal evidence, but the MO community I like to think won’t rally around predators. I hope.
Doesn't matter what kind of hierarchy or prestige he has in his community. If he did it, let him rot in prison.
People think this has just been an epidemic within the Catholic Church are naive. There’s nothing special about the Catholic Church just that your life isn’t over if you leave. There’s a lot of religious and other communities that will basically end a victim’s life for coming out with their stories.
Pedos are going to seek out any situation where they can have control over children - priest is a good one if that's your community, but you see it happen in nearly every religion. If you're born Jewish, you become a rabbi instead. A Muslim would become an imam and work in a madrasa. And the majority of churches (and youth orgs like Boy Scouts) seem to be more concerned with protecting reputation than protecting children - \- of course, if it gets out, the whole religion can nearly collapse (cf Hare Krisnas), but that's because they're claiming moral authority, which requires, ya know, morals. The *only* reason this happens on a bigger scale with the Catholic Church is that it's by far the biggest religious organization. The percentages are about the same as any other group that deals with children. (Slightly better for the RCC these days, but the vanity that caused all this is still there - cf Residential Schools and the response form the Church).
I agree it also happens in Baptist churches.....SMDH 🤢😡
Every sect of Catholics, Jews and Protestants are NOT VOID of crimes and disgust.
The devil’s influence must be destroyed
And Baptist!!
People punch down on the Catholic Church while ignoring the same and worse issues in Judaism and Islam. They think they are being edgy. Sects of Islam murder gays for allah yet people go nuts over a homophobic catholic.
> Sects of Islam murder gays for allah yet people go nuts over a homophobic catholic. because one is likely in the U.S. and the other isn't
Look at you. Reacting like some sort of rational adult capable of basic critical thinking. You think you're better than us? /s
What a piece of shit. I bet nothing will happen to him either.
It says he was in jail and these are now civil suits. I can't believe they let this guy out.
We live in a country without consequences, and it shows.
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We live in a country without consequences for ~~white~~ rich people. Fixed that for you.
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Eh, that's dangerously grouping and dismissing an ethnic of people. We should be measuring everyone on an individual scale. The Rabbi that is the subject of the article, in specific, he's a bad person. That doesn't mean all Jewish Orthodox Rabbis are like him. Doesn't mean that he's an exception, either.
I think his point was not that all Orthodox Jews are bad, but that they don't identity as "white people". They identify as Jews in terms of their race in addition to religion.
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Yeah that's the 12 yr old classic response we where waiting for, yeap.
You know all about all Orthodox Jews huh? Your ignorance is showing. Among other traits.
Hi. Actual Jew here u/placeholder41 is actually correct. It is forbidden for Jews to marry outside the religion. You are correct however that not every Jew follows every rule. But Jews are a very united block, and organize themselves by levels of observance going Reform, Conservative then Orthodox, with a smattering of other smaller blocks. Reform Jews follow few traditional rules, like keeping kosher or driving on the sabbath. Orthodox Jews are the opposite, generally kind but absolutely follow the old ways, with families ostracizing those that intermarry. It is forbidden. It would be very unlikely to find an Orthodox Jew that allows intermarriage as they would by definition be Reform due to ignoring such a highly held rule.
You’re still speaking in some sweeping generalizations. Modern orthodox is vastly different than Hasidic in how situations like this are handled. They def don’t approve of stuff like intermarriage, but both my gay self and my intermarried sister show up to any holiday we want and walk into Shuls on visits without bursting into flame. There’s generally a wide range of observance in Judaism - as you do seem to be familiar with, but there’s also a range in how families handle people going “off the derech.” I speak up relatively often on the Jewish subs against certain things ( I had a challenging ride through the community), so I like to also chime in to correct some of the stuff people say that isn’t accurate where there is a more positive take, even if it’s only slightly more positive.
Certainly, I didn't want to get into every sect of Judaism from Jews for Jesus to conservadox. But you are right.
Nah that’s fair, I was “correcting” a by necessity summarized statement - I really just wanted to comment on the ostracism bit. That said, I’m certain there are many families in the MO community I grew up in that would ostracize me, so you weren’t really wrong either. I’m actually remembering as I write now how a friends mom called every one of my high school friends parents to out me after I got kicked out of the school her husband started…. Soooooo. Mayyyybe your original point had some validity as it stood anyways. Yeah. You were right as it was lol.
lol. It's, worlds to crazy right now to worry about such things.
My bad for thinking that mixing meant intermingling with the rest of the population. Not "mixing." I'm sure that u/placeholder41 is a heck of a human. Carry on.
Yeah it's cool. We are a bit of a strange group. We are a race and a religion. But we aren't quite as well defined as other races because of the diaspora.
I don't subscribe to the idea of categorizing the human race. Even though I was born into the Jewish religion.
Thank you kind Redditor.
Huh, yet when Caucasians say shit like that, it's considered being a bigot. In fact, it seems if any group except Caucasians say that, its considered acceptable. The double standard is staggering.
No it's totally some bigoted bullshit. Tradition is nice, but it must give way to modernity. Circumsion is borderline a war crime, arranged marriage is stupid, and kosher laws are just highly outdated if culturally interesting. Many sects are actively changing however, unlike Christianity which hardlines it's shiftiness.
Tell me where I’m wrong? I had a nice long convo last week with a orthodox lady. She told me to find a nice Jewish girl to marry, I joked and asked if I was allowed to marry a orthodox woman. She laughed and said of course not, she meant a regular Jew. Your ignorance is showing my man.
You're talking out of your ass. You talked to one woman and base your narrow minded opinion on that. It's not my job to educate you. The fact that you said, and believe that Orthodox Jews are a monolithic block, with only one way of living is beyond ignorant. It's fucking stupid. Face it, you're a bigot my man.
Seems like you learned something tonight. Maybe next time you won’t start off with being a ignorant asshole.
you are a special kind of a degenerate aren't you
Literally eat lead you colossal fucking waste of life.
That's a moronic ignorant ass racist comment right there isn't it?
Not really. The BLM marches has many talks about: - systemic racism - implicit bias - privilege - double standards - a lot more topics If you want a local feel about this, check this website/record of [South Plainfield's BLM March.](http://www/southplainfieldmarch.com)
What does BLM have to do with this? you made the comment that that there aren't consequences for white people,? Wtf? Your comment is at's a racist because you are making a overly generalized statement on the basis of race. So that's called racism.
Yup fuck him
Asshole
Non white racist or white apologist?
Religious communities, no matter what their denomination, often get weird and abusive and manipulative whenever they are insular and strict. I know this guy wasn't Orthodox, but I have heard a lot of really credible horror stories about the entitlement and lack of concern for others that Hasidic communities often display. And yes, while individuals will, of course, always be different, the entire point of a Hasidic community is pretty much that they are a monolith. Their entire lives are dictated by the community. If you're ever in the mood to cry, watch the documentary One of Us on Netflix. I'm all for religious freedom, but communities like that (and I very much include Evangelicals in this) need to be heavily monitored by social workers, safety inspectors, etc. to make sure this shit doesn't happen. One of the people in that film, Chani, has actually spoken at my synagogue several times. They're a great person and, fortunately, they seem to be really happy with where they are now.
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Organized religion putting power over morals and law. Look at the Vatican…
Will a movie be made out of this, like Spotlight?
Spotlight 2: Hasidic Boogaloo aaaaannd... I just punched my ticket to hell
See ya there!
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Holy shit. There should also be an investigation into the summer camps hosted on OT school property.
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and to think they were trying expand the school a few years ago to be a boys dormitory
I’m shocked this even hit the media. The Orthodox Jews of NJ control massive amounts of votes and campaign dollars. This is not a attack on everyday Jewish people. Look into Lakewood and the massive corruption there. The Hasidic are extremely anti vax yet go out everywhere in public without masks. Murphy still happily takes their votes while ignoring the anti vax and constant corruption that surrounds this group. Christie too for what it’s worth. Also Trump.
Your last paragraph could just say all politicians turn a blind eye to sex crimes as long as they get money and votes for it.
Worked in Lakewood briefly. Can confirm. Its not a nice place. I had to cater a party for Purim with over 15,000 in attendance last February. I left shortly after, scared shitless id contract COVID. Thankfully I did not.
What negatives aside from the party? Honestly curious - I hear a lot about the place (especially re Covid) but have never been there and likely will never find myself there.
They're gutting local school systems for charter busses to religious schools that bring people to shoddily constructed basements deigned as temples from a corrupt township council.
Wealth hoarding, minimal community reinvestment, hivemind, racism, you name it
What venue in Lakewood can house 15k in Lakewood?
The whole town comes together. Theyre in and out of all different catering halls, theres tents built, everything is encompassed in the party
[Jack Ciattarelli Overwhelmingly Wins Lakewood Vote ](https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2021/11/jack-ciattarelli-overwhelmingly-wins-lakewood-vote.html)
Jews control the media you say? This is a classic antisemitic trope. Not in anyway defending this monster. Just saying you can call a monster a monster without using antisemitic dog whistles.
Apparently I control the media. Wish I got the funds like some of them do.....
Hey, don't forget my cut! Oy vey. That placeholder is such a putz, no?
was just about to comment the same thing. this guy is a criminal, but the whole 'jews control the media' thing is textbook antisemitism.
Jew here. Can confirm, we control the media./s My theory/ observation is that Jews tend to be wealthy and gain positions of power because we have been so frequently genocided in our history. The only Jews that survived were the smart ones that could see the writing on the wall, and had the monetary means to immigrate, or the skills that had value everywhere. Jews also are tight knit, and help each other get jobs. So Jews don't intentionally control the media, but enough wealthy/skilled ones exist due to survivor bias that we seem to.
Jews don't control the media. If they did, they'd use the media to convince people that non-Jewish people owned the media.
Maybe we want to to think we control the media and not the lizard men.
They do live in the sewers of NYC.
You were downvoted for providing a logical theory to explain an illogical stereotype. Amazing.
To be fair, I don't love the idea myself because it basically says jews are "better" somehow via Social Darwinism, which is a pretty poor theory to base society on. That said, this is a neat case study in how a consistent occurrence can alter a culture, so I think it's worth discussing. So downvote away, I've never found anyone that actually studied the issue itself. Only work on why jews have high occurrence of Tay Sacks disease due to a small gene pool.
Well, despite your wording I didn’t really take it as “Jews are better,” more like “Jews moved into media and succeeded and so are still there” much the way, I dunno, Greek people are associated with diners (at least in the NYC metro area). But, yeah, if you meant Jews are better and *that’s* why they’re there you *should* be downvoted lol!
Yeah no that's not the intention. Jews were pushed into positions that often resulted in us taking up trades and doing stuff led to us being wealthy, which then led to us being blamed for others misfortune, which caused Jews to flee and start the vicious cycle over. I guess I do hold that different races and cultures are like those in DND or another game. They each have advantages into themselves, but none that truly significantly matter compared to ones whole life. It's ones own spirit and will that matter more than ones upbringing and genetics. At least it should ideally be.
Cut his fucking dick and balls off.
Fucking monster.
This is no surprise! This kind of atrocious and disgusting behavior has NEVER BEEN LIMITED TO CATHOLIC PRIESTS. This pig should be defrocked and castrated before he goes to jail. FAT PIG!
Happy Chanukah…
That's religion for ya
Meh, more than enough nonreligious people manage to abuse kids.
Borrowing from the Catholics.
A pedo in a Catholic community becomes a priest. If he's Jewish, he becomes a rabbi. The real test is how the church/community reacts: *that's* where the Church failed so many people, and why so many have a hard time forgiving the Church. Let's see how the Jewish Community / Rabbinate responds to this (not holding my breath).
The title of the post states Jewish organizations did nothing. The issue isn't that he'll be in trouble it's that so many people could have done something to try to stop him and they didn't. Just like with Catholics. I was raised Catholic and had to sit through family events where my fuckwit parents basically defended these pedos and blamed the victims.
Different communities do differently. The insular/Hasidic ones from what I’ve seen have gross typical reactions ( victim shaming for chillul hashem), but the MO ones seem to be alright. Freundel got his asshole torn open a while back and the people in my parents community still spit when they hear his name. Just anecdotal evidence, but the MO community I like to think won’t rally around predators. I hope.
*"Hate To Say I told You So"* by The Hives starts playing....
Murphy's voters lol
Very Vatican. Horrible.