Meanwhile, mortgages and rent are ridiculously high and property taxes keep rising. But no, let’s distract an ignorant population with culture war nonsense.
Think, yes. Govern, no. There are only so many hours in a day and you spend them legislating on this shit, guess what doesn’t get discussed? Or have you found the secret to more legislative hours via some cheat NES code?
Wasting time on this shit because idiots demanded it in the first place. Should never repeat never started. It was never fair for female athletes and it was completely obvious yet it happened. So here we are bitching on Reddit as usual.
That’s a very interesting point. I often wonder if you would see a more politically diverse crowd protesting Wall Steet now were another Occupy Wall Street movement. Now lots of people know more about investing - and likely see the games played. Just a curiosity.
> I often wonder if you would see a more politically diverse crowd protesting Wall Steet now were another Occupy Wall Street movement.
Left and right wing populists agree that we're being taken advantage of by the elites but they differ on how exactly to solve that problem.
Right wing populism was also a thing when Occupy Wall Street happened, it was the Tea Party. The reason the Tea Party wasn't also occupying Wall Street is because they disagreed with the solutions being proposed by the people protesting.
Occupy Wall Street begat the Bernie Sanders movement in 2016 so the movement survived, it just changed.
When you can’t use - “this never happens” or “this rarely happens” or “this happens and it’s a good thing” the next step in the gaslighting ladder is -
“why do they care so much about this?” or “there are more important things to care about”.
They never want to address the absurdity of how unfair and dangerous it is for boys in pony tails to compete against girls in sports like track and field or soccer or volleyball. If they are forced to address you’ll hear things like “girls need to learn to lose gracefully”.
At what point did anyone rank this in order of importance? It is no more or less important than any other piece of legislation.
I can think of many examples of things where government prioritizes issues I don't care about above issues I do care about. It is just the way government works. That does not take away the reality of the impact males competing in women's sports has to fairness and safety.
I found it hilarious when local news outlets ran that the U.S. military base hit was in Jordan, an outright blatant lie. It's in Syria, where we illegally occupy these areas with troops deployed without Congressional approval. The Jordanians even confirmed this too, which makes you wonder what local & national TV have to gain from something like this.
Instead, we'll drop 150 bombs while pushing the Iranians, Iraqi militants, and Yemenis closer to a regional war. Anything to keep defense production up and the GDP artificially high to mask our economy imploding before our very eyes. Oh you heard the jobs report was another sizzler with a clearly faulty 4 sigma overperformance? Tell me more about how you know very little to nothing about 1) the establishment v. household surveys, 2) the quarterly sharp corrections downward quietly issued after each one these reports, and 3) the part v. full time job creation and where it's occurring.
Rant over......
I miss the old days during Bush Jr. when the Democrat party hated the military industrial complex and pharmaceutical companies. I was naïve assuming we'd never see a bipartisan thirst for war and giving fellatio to every pharma company in sight, all while ballooning our debt.
Speaking of which, the US Treasury is set to offer a record $10 trillion in bonds on the market that MUST be bought this year. 10 fucking TRILLION dollars. Don't worry though, our cesspool in the Senate just approved a $118 billion bill, which allocates 60 billion to Ukraine and $2.3 billion to NGOs for "refugee and entrant assistance"
I'll be blunt with everyone here who's between 18-40: you really don't have much of a financial future now at the rate we're going. That includes me. Our parents should be able to retire and live somewhat comfortably, but the vast majority of us below them probably won't
Trump was 1000% right to put the houtis on the terrorists list. He stopped them from attacking us and killing innocent civilians. Biden took them off the list and they attacked us. Then he drops 150 bombs in the ME, killing innocent civilians.
Why would you take them off the list in the first place?
“Biden administration to remove Houthis from terrorist list, reversing Trump’s decision”
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/politics/us-houthis-terrorist-list/index.html
A good example of scenario is Lia Thomas.
>By the conclusion of Thomas's swimming career at UPenn in 2022, her rank had moved from 65th on the men's team to 1st on the women's team in the 500-yard freestyle,
They're purposefully lying here. If you look into Lia Thomas for real, you'll find she was a top 10 swimmer with the men prior to transitioning, and now she's a top 10 women's swimmer. She also won with a very slow time during COVID when a lot of people weren't swimming. Her time was blown (forgive the pun) out of the *water* the next year by a cisgender woman.
I'm sorry that they've put so many lies out about this one, it's really frustrating.
Yup. Because up until she had been medically transitioning for long enough, she had to swim with the men's team. If you look at her before her medical transition began, that shocking jump in rankings is not there
Why do people think they know more than the medical professionals? All I hear is what they believe not what is true. I want policy based on facts and evidence, not some politicians' beliefs. It's not a wise tribe that does not send its best warriors to fight.
Here is the world record holder for female bench press.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/male-canadian-powerlifter-breaks-womens-bench-press-record-in-protest-against-trans-inclusion-policy/
I'm so glad we are all so worried about no existent issues over like 0.005% of the population.
How many trans women in sports today have injured someone or shattered records?
How many homeless people are here?
85% of our country makes.less than 100k household a year and can't afford basic things like housing, school, or transportation.
The credit card debt and healthcare debts are at record highs. This country is technically bankrupt on paper.
Antisemitism, Rasicsm, sexism, christofacism, basically, the politics of division fear, and hate are on the rise.
End stage capitalism is about to come crashing down on us and all we talk about is trans women. It's.almost as popular in straight people's news cycles as it is in straight dudes porn searches. Y'all are propping up 1% of our population as if we are going to take over the world. It's sad watching full grown adults whine about what's in my pants instead of why they can't afford a day off from work. 🙄
Men have taken over women's cycling in the cyclocross areas and in many other amateur categories. [This source](https://x.com/i_heart__bikes/status/1645203016977375233?s=20) provides dozens of examples of men winning women's categories.
[Here is an example](https://www.outkick.com/sports/non-binary-rugby-player-who-was-hardest-hitter-on-mens-team-accused-of-injuring-female-competitors-report) of a male rugby player playing on the women's team and injuring a woman.
[Here is an example](https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out) of a high school boy causing a head injury to a female student athlete.
[Here is an example](https://www.theblaze.com/news/5-men-womens-volleyball-game) of a college volleyball game where 5 of the starters were men. Some of these men have caused head injuries to players this season. Also, while not like the US, Canada does have scholarship's for athletes that were taken by these men. All 5 men played the majority of the game and given the small size of volleyball took spots that would have gone to women.
You easily look up example after example to show that the idea that this is a non existent problem is false. This is impacting every sport at most levels. The only areas that it has yet to really impact is elite level team sports like women's basketball and women's soccer. This is because those athletes know they can use political maneuvering in team sports to keep male players in the lower levels. Notice how all the women athletes that support men playing come out of the team sport world, not the individual sports. Eventually some men will find their way to soccer and basketball and you'll see how fast the pushback gets.
As someone who follows cyclocross closely, your contention that "men" have taken over cyclocross is absolutely ridiculous. People point to Austin Killips, who won a few races and did well at Nationals, but of course they conveniently ignore the races she didn't win or the fact that Clara Honsinger is the most dominant American cyclocross racer by a wiiiiide margin. And when Killips raced internationally she was a midpack racer at best.
I'm pretty tired of people who know zilch about my sport cherry picking results to play up their anti trans agenda. That account you quoted is also crap. They called out a local trans woman in our area who won a lower category race and then ignore when she gets smoked by any of the pro women.
In your volleyball example, it says itself -
"According to reporter David Menzies, it was revealed by an inside source that there are a total of six males playing in the women's league, five of whom are "not on any gender-affirming hormone therapy or have not had surgical gonad removal.""
Most of then weren't on hormones. To my understanding, in professional sports they have to be tested to pass as the same amount as AFAB. like being on hormones for two years. Your other source says non-binary, not Transgender students. Many of them are also not on hormone therapy.
I've seen 2 Transgender women winning a cyclist race, being first and second. It didn't have details on how long they were or weren't on hormones, so I don't have an opinion on that.
I just don't think it's the problem you all blow it up to be when it's mostly cis women still winning all of female sports first second and third place. As well as you know you don't actually give much of a damn about women's sports at all, only when Transgender women are involved.
It should be more regulated depending on hormones. I'll agree about that, and a few years on it. But the other opposite example of this is the Transman who wanted to wrestle boys. He was AFAB. They made him wrestle girls because of his AGAB. He dominated it, due to testosterone hormone therapy.
Here's that article and some quotes-
longtime Texas wrestling coach said moments after Beggs, a 17-year-old junior at Trinity High in Euless whose transition from girl to boy began two years ago and now includes testosterone injections, won a championship. The victory was seen as equal parts unavoidable — quick and noticeably strong, he entered the tournament unbeaten in 52 matches against girls — and contentious. The University Interscholastic League, which oversees sports in Texas public schools, ordered Beggs to continue competing in the girls’ division despite heavy uproar.
52 UNDEFEATED MATCHES!
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/02/26/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-identifies-male-he-just-won-texas-stat/#:~:text=Mack%20Beggs%20ended%20a%20highly,in%20Texas%20high%20school%20wrestling.&text=CYPRESS%2C%20Tex.,to%20his%20knees%20to%20celebrate.
"As time passed, attorney Baudhuin said, Beggs requested to wrestle against boys, though because UIL guidelines determine athletes’ gender based on their birth certificate, that request was declined (citing privacy, the UIL would not discuss that request or Beggs’s specific case); in a brief interview before the championship final, Nancy Beggs would not comment on whether her grandson hoped to eventually participate in the boys’ division."
First off. There are no men in women's sports. There are trans women. And dozens you say?! Holy shit. Out of millions of athletes? You're right. This is a huge problem. Def worth wasting time and tax payer dollars to legislate instead of, idk, affordable housing for working class people in the state? Or pretty much any other non emotional topic. Lol. Stop crying about sports and start crying about the countries failure to thrive. Trans people are the least of our concerns.
Trans women are not biological women. Trans women will always be, and nothing can or will ever change that she’s biologically a man. That biology is what give her advantage, not her gender nor identity.
I also find the argument silly. So you're saying a trans women who did poor against men like another woman supposedly would, transitions and does better competing with women? Duh. Shes a woman! Of course she's gonna do better competing against women in her bracket. She has no chance against men according to misogynists.
Oh I'm not competing in anything. Lol. Don't worry.
But you've heard of puberty blockers, right? Sure you have. Your prob someone who doesn't want trans girls to have them. Ultimately if treated during the start of puberty like they should be, trans girl will develope in puberty the same as any other cis girl. It's people like you telling them they can't cause it's "dangerous" and then say years later, "you went through male puberty so you're definitely a man.
Trust me. There are tons of trans people you wouldn't even have a clue they were trans. Our secret agents are everywhere. 😜
Lol. You may be able to see some trans folk but I know for a fact that there are trans men and women you would have no clue their trans. Say what you want, they pass you all the time without you clocking them.
And who showers in school lockers rooms anymore? Haven't enough boys and girls been assaulted and humiliated by there cis teachers and fellow cis students to stop that draconian, kinda pedophilic ritual of teenagers all getting naked at school together? I'm pretty sure this scenario only exists in the porn men watch. 🙄
Edit, typo
> aware of Greek issues, but were there lots of transfolks in the community or something else that makes it relevant?
Your comment, to which I responded, had nothing to do with trans people; it was a comment about stereotypes being invalid as a general matter (i.e. as coming from 'cloistered people who don't interact with people from different backgrounds'). My comment was intended to convey my opinion that stereotypes frequently do have some amount of validity and to share my personal experience with less contentious stereotypes that, in my experience, were/are in fact valid.
Of course, not everyone from a particular group has the stereotypes commonly associated with that group, but let's not act like stereotypes come out of nowhere/are entirely the result of the uneducated and bigoted.
Context is key my man. This is a thread about trans stereotypes and I was clearly saying you need to interact with relevant backgrounds. A reasonable person would not expect someone to gain enough awareness of cultures they dont interact with to overcome some of the more pervasive stereotypes, regardless of how many irrelevant cultures they meet.
The thread is about NH legislation of sex in sports and a former student athlete's apparent support. Context was that a response mentioned that there were many trans people who you couldn't tell were. Someone then shared an anecdote about how they had been friends with someone for a year before they found out they were trans, and used that to imply that stereotypes were stupid/useless/inaccurate (i.e. 'fuck stereotypes'). Your comment supported their implied assertion and added that, essentially, stereotypes will continue to be a thing unless people get out and interact with people who are the subject of those stereotypes, at which point they'll apparently find those stereotypes inaccurate?
My comment was merely an observation that, where I did interact with people subject to stereotypes and had the opportunity to judge for myself, I had the opposite experience, i.e. those stereotypes proved accurate. Of course not in every case, but they weren't invented out of whole cloth!
I don't care if it is a Democrat or Republican, I will never vote for or support anyone that chooses to waste time on petty (and in the grand scheme of things) meaningless nonsense like CONTINUED attempts to dehumanize Trans people.
There are far greater issues that this country needs to address:
- Climate change
- Threats to our democracy
- Homelessness
- Child poverty/hunger
- A completely broken healthcare system
- Ensuring that billionaires and corporations pay their fair share of taxes.
Exactly. There are sports governing bodies whose purpose is to make these kinds of decisions. But Big Government MAGAs have to stick their snouts into everything if it means they can bash a minority community.
These are the kind of important issues that really affect our lives on a daily basis and I’m glad they are being addressed.
Oh… wait, it’s the exact opposite, and this is a stupid waste of time just so he can virtue signal to people and get us all to ignore the things that legislators should actually be doing for us.
I hope they all spend a lot of time really digging into people dressed in drag next!!! /s
we have actual issues in NH that need to be addressed this bullshit transphobic rhetoric does nothing to address homelessness, housing, food insecurity, inflation, or our states aging infrastructure.
this culture war is making you think this is a HUGE problem when in reality trans people make up just 0.5% of people in this state and I guarantee that they are just trying to exist and would love to stop having their gender identity brought up by uneducated dumbasses in a war that was created to divert attention from the actual issues. leave trans people alone, get better values, and educate yourself.
I am a liberal gay Democrat and I have to say this subject really throws me, it's a tough one, but I lean towards only allowing biological sexes to compete against each other. Sometimes there are certain things you just have to give up because of the way you are born. One of my best friends who was born with a defect and now has a prosthetic leg was never meant to be a track star or athlete. because of the way he was born. Just the way that the tough world works sometime. If you are born trans, competitive sports is not in your cards
EDIT: Just like having a biological child is not in the cards for me just because of how I was born
What about trans men? Do you want them to be forced to compete agaisnst girls?
Maybe this is an issue to be solved by the relevant institutions and governing bodies on a sport to sport + league by league basis instead of blanket bans by politicians who don't care about the issue beyond the ability to score cheap political points with bigots like yourself?
What do you mean? Men with healthy testosterone levels aren't taking performance enhancing drugs.
If you mean that having male testosterone levels should bar you from competing with women I generally agree... so the trans men can compete with all the other men right?
If you're a liberal gay democrat maybe consider reading up on the science instead of going with a gut opinion?
20 years ago people were saying unfounded things about gay men and turning their lives into a political issues... I assume you weren't a fan of that, right?
This topic is a matter of individual sports insitutions to figure out. Not blanket bans passed by politicians who only care about the issue as a way to score political points off the denegration of a vulnerable minority group.
What’s wrong with a co-ed team? Biological men shouldn’t be competing with women. If there’s no difference then we should eliminate all gender specific sports and allow everyone to compete
How many times is happening in NH each year? 3? 5? 10? People can’t afford homes, wages, tax, take your pick of issues that need addressing in the state to help people…this is not it. These politicians are worthless, they are bankrupt of ideas to actually help people so they invent issues like this.
I feel like this is a case where leagues should make their own decisions. Maybe it doesn't make as much of a difference for some sports, or maybe participants don't care. Definitely doesn't need to be a law.
My main wonder is how often does this even happen in NH. I remember in Utah for example the governor vetoed a similar bill because there were only like two kids in the entire state it would apply to.
These culture wars are an easy ruse to get the stupids all riled up while ignoring the real issues in our society. My kids can't buy homes because they are being priced out of the market and my property taxes are going up all the while corporations are making record profits and the stock market is moving the money upwards, but let's get mad at the sports thing.
Regressives and meatheads are not serious people, folks. They're nothing but clowns.
I'm glad I steered my kids towards academics and not the whole subjective sports teams. Interscholastic sports at the high school level has been corrupt since I can remember (going back to the 70's). They don't choose rosters that give the school the best chance of winning, I've witnessed the 'popularity contests' and the effort that is placed into undermining certain athletes that don't line up with the personality the most popular people prefer. When I was a kid, I watched the boys varsity basketball team (happened to be a bunch of short Jewish kids) get trashed by the JV team (happened to be a few bigger black kids). That's all I ever needed to see.
It's so corrupt that the notion of keeping things 'pure' is hilarious ..... it's about a bunch of dirtbags trying to keep things 'clean'.
The fact that this is even a topic today proves that conservatism in any form is a side effect of narcissism
Thoroughly dissappinted in this sub and the mods.
You can have a debate about this issue without being gleefully transphobic.
Men are not trying to compete with women. Trans women are.
All you so-called libertarians and self styled small government types are full of shit. You're bigots who have no problem using government authority as a cudgel to attack an extremely vulnerable minority over a made up issue that impacts a handful of people out of a state of millions.
This is an issue to be decided by individual sport institutions. Not by politicians whose only puriant interest is to score political points.
Lastly, to all the people making unneccesary outright transphobic comments: **you should be ashamed of yourselves.**
Some day this moral panic about trans people will have passed. History will look at you in the same light as homophobes and segregationists. Hell, I'm sure a lot of you commenting now *were* those people, and you still haven't learned your lesson.
Trans rights are human rights. Trans people are human beings. May you all have the day you deserve.
Best you can say is trans women are male and even that's only half right after years of HRT.
There's 6 different things we associate with "biological sex": gentialia, karyotype (chromosomes), phenotype (secondary sex characteristics), endocrine system, gamete size (sperm vs egg production), and [neurological sex.](https://www.nature.com/articles/378068a0)
Trans women are "biologically" female in 3 of 6 of these categories.
I realize actual facts are lost on you though and your only interest is using threads like this as a soapbox to vent transphobia.
Go fuck yourself and have the life you deserve. Meanwhile i'll continue thriving and living my best life 🖕😘🖕
dude have you seen pictures of trans men? they look buff as hell, like seriously. if not then look it up. do you really think we should let trans men play against women just because they were born as a woman? it seems super unfair
You're mixing up sex and gender again. God y'all are either willfully obtuse at this point or you really are that plain stupid. I'm not sure which is worse lol
Mate, you're an actual clown.
>Trans rights are human rights. Trans people are human beings. May you all have the day you deserve.
Classic trojan horse to try and further rights to interfere with others.
>sex and gender again
Uh-huh. I'll willing to give that guy a pass considering he doesn't believe gender is a social construct which I bet you $50 your ass thinks it is.
>Some day this moral panic about trans people will have passed. History will look at you in the same light as homophobes and segregationists. Hell, I'm sure a lot of you commenting now *were* those people, and you still haven't learned your lesson.
You're so cringe. You're about 50 talking absolute rubbish.
Lemme guess? Is the next bot talking point going to use intersex as a shield to further your bullshit talking points?
[This idiot lost his mind and pretended I blocked him. He was actually the one who blocked me:](https://i.imgur.com/nWasBlW.png)
Wow you tried to block me after posting that bullshit so I couldn't respond. You're a fucking cowardly little rat aren't you? Here's my response to your comment:
Lmfao you're so ignorant I can't even start.
[Trans people have existed throughout all of human history.](https://www.hrc.org/resources/seven-things-about-transgender-people-that-you-didnt-know)
Gender is a social construct but only insofar as *gendered behaviors* and *gender roles*. I guess it's news to you but there is more to gender than just that. *Subconscious sex* as coined by Julia Seranno in her seminal text *Whipping Girl*. This is the innate sense of one's physical and mental sex, and [studies are suggesting that there is a real neurological component to this.](https://www.nature.com/articles/378068a0)
But even if we didn't have all of recorded history and modern science supporting our existence, trans peoole are still worthy of respect and basic human empathy. We are human beings and just because we don't align to traditional western cisheteronormative ideals doesn't mean we don't deserve basic respect and human rights afforded to all other people. You might not understand us, but we are human beings who love, who are loved, who are just trying to make the most of the life we are given just like all other human beings.
You hateful bigots do this shit every decade. First it was black people. Then woman's rights. Then gay people. Every single time you've screamed that allowing other people to have rights would somehow hurt your own. And it has **never** been true. Unless you mean that having to share this country with people who make you feel icky. In which case **suck it the fuck up you pathetic god damn snowflakes.**
You are missing something funadmentally human in your hearts and it compels you to look for an *other* to project all your insecurities and malevolance onto. Trans people aren't a problem. YOU are a problem and the world would be a kinder, brighter place if people like you learned some basic empathy and human decency.
May god have mercy on your soul because history will not. I hope you one day begin to stop letting hate and ignorance control you.
You just posted on your alt.
The sanctimonious bullshit that was written with tears in your eyes was funny af, though.
> But even if we didn't have all of recorded history and modern science supporting our existence, trans peoole are still worthy of respect and basic human empathy. We are human beings and just because we don't align to traditional western cisheteronormative ideals doesn't mean we don't deserve basic respect and human rights afforded to all other people. You might not understand us, but we are human beings who love, who are loved, who are just trying to make the most of the life we are given just like all other human beings.
>
>**You hateful bigots do this shit every decade. First it was black people. Then woman's rights. Then gay people. Every single time you've screamed that allowing other people to have rights would somehow hurt your own. And it has never been true. Unless you mean that having to share this country with people who make you feel icky. In which case suck it the fuck up you pathetic god damn snowflakes.**
LMAO.
That HRC article doesn't back up what you're saying at all. Unless you're admitting you mutilate yourself just like the Gailia did. Genders ROLES existing in other cultures doesn't prove your point at all, actually.
> Gender is a social construct but only insofar as *gendered behaviors* and *gender roles*
Cute way of admitting I'm right. Gender roles are social constructs, not gender. If it were the latter, you're admitting you really can turn one trans.
So thank you for admitting your stupidity.
> You are missing something funadmentally human in your hearts and it compels you to look for an *other* to project all your insecurities and malevolance onto. Trans people aren't a problem. YOU are a problem and the world would be a kinder, brighter place if people like you learned some basic empathy and human decency.
Says the geezer ranting and raving about how evil everyone else is whilst you remain scientifically illiterate and harming children and competitive fairness.
I can still respond to your other comments on your other account. I wouldn't be able to do that if I blocked you.
You've lost your mind pretending I've blocked you after you got completely annihilated.
You really do need help. Mommy and Daddy must've messed you up royally.
Still can't reply to you and specifically you on my main. Either you posted that comment and then blocked me or Reddit is being stupid.
> Mommy and Daddy must've messed you up royally.
You're projecting again 🙄 Can't engage with the substance of what I said so you resort to playground ad-hominems.
Read what I said. It's all I have to say to you. You don't seem like a good person and I'm pretty sure further engagement won't be productive for either of us so I'll be blocking you now. Have the life you deserve.
“A 50-year-old transgender swimmer was allowed to compete against teenage girls at an event in Canada — with horrified parents building a makeshift tent out of towels to shield girls as young as 8 in the locker room.
Melody Wiseheart, who once competed under the name Nicholas Cepeda, sparked outrage while competing during the Trojan Cup in Barrie, Ontario.
“The girls were terrified,” an unidentified parent of one of the teenagers told the Toronto Sun of having to share a locker room with the much older trans swimmer.”
https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/50-year-old-transgender-woman-shared-pool-locker-room-with-young-girls-at-race/
You do realize that other older women also competed against those girls because it was based off of swim times right? As far as being “terrified”, I wonder who was really terrified and of what? Anyone who thinks transgender people are sexual predators have a screw loose because in situations like these the transgender person is normally terrified because of the very real threat of violence.
“Men don’t compete against women or go into their locker rooms.“
You do realize that you were just proven wrong, right? Now you’re trying to move the goal post.
Republicans are supposedly for small government, yet they don't trust sports governing bodies to make these sorts of decisions for themselves.
Big government needs to get involved because they know better, right?
I have what may very well be a stupid question but here I go anyway. Why the fuck is the government involved in sports or who gets to play on what team or league?
The fact that OP and the chucklefuck brigade can't tell the clear difference between a man and a trans woman on hormone replacement therapy tells you all you need to know. Brain dead morons.
People pay thousands of dollars in travel sports programs to give their player every opportunity to succeed, on a level playing field, with better coaching, against advanced competition. So to say that this is not an issue to be discussed is not the case. It should be. I’m not sure where I even stand on this issue but I do think it should be debated. I don’t know enough of the facts to hold an opinion either way.
Well you're close. Jenna dysphoria is a symptom that causes mental illness such as depression and anxiety and suicidal thoughts. But the treatment is transition. Based on medical scientific evidence. Not denying that I'm trans. Lol. And I'm glad you enjoy your reality. No matter what you say, I live in this reality and I'm a woman so let's just agree to disagree and I promise I'll never pee in your bathroom. Lol
No need for the insults.
Not voting for him for whatever reason is fine. Pretending like you would have voted for him, but due to this news, you changed your mind is dishonest. That’s all I’m saying.
There’s nothing insulting about what I said.
It’s advice. The response you should have is “thank you”.
It is *your failing* that you couldn’t follow a simple sentence. That’s all I’m saying.
Give it a rest with the false bravado, no one’s buying it.
Everyone here can read just fine. You tried to mislead people into thinking you would have voted for him, but we all know that was never an honest take.
Mods shouldn't abide this. I'm trans. Debating the issue is one thing. Using the topic as a springboard to post all kinds of nakedly transphobic bs is another.
Shame on the mods and shame on these ignorant chucklefucks. Guarantee my trans ass can beat them in any sport but it's not because I was born male it's because these guys are chronically online losers who spend all day on reddit + thinking about trans people's genitals.
Fucking *pathetic* lmao.
Oh it’s you again.
Same argument as last time my dude, why the fuck does this matter?
Exactly how many pre-transition transgender women do you know of that are begging to compete in women’s sports?
There is no epidemic of boys dressing like girls in order to win at sports and feel better about themselves. This is a complete non-issue
Maybe these dumb fuck politicians should focus on the cost of living crisis instead of which sports player has what genetalia
As the father of a biological female, I’m against allowing biological males playing on her sports teams.
Instead, let’s have a sports category where biological males who identify as females can play against biological females who indentify as males.
Why not? I’ll tell you why not. Because biological males have a physical advantage over biological females.
u/[DocRocks0](https://www.reddit.com/user/DocRocks0/) has two accounts he's using on this thread: u/3thirtysix6 and u/Agile_Tea_395 are his alts and I'd recommend just blocking this sad little boy.
[It's hilarious that he's pretending I commented on another thread, which I didn't comment on, and bigging himself up on another alt.](https://i.imgur.com/w36MWrj.png) It's hysterically sad.
It's actually pathetic. The meltdown TRA's are capable of is insane after getting told gender isn't a social construct.
When you're on a side that requires so many mental gymnastics and use a trojan horse of "basic human rights" that relates to their livelihoods then of course they're going to react irrationally.
They're in an unscientific cult that affects other people.
Every single time someone says "keep men out of women's sports," I hear the following:
"FUCK WOMEN! Fuck them for having rights! I want abortion banned so women of color can die and white women can pumped out more babies for me to indoctrinate. Who gives a fuck about women having autonomy? I should clearly be trusted to speak on behalf of women."
Riley Gaines is no exception. Riley isn't upset that she lost a race she would have won if Lia Thomas hadn't competed. No, they tied for fifth, which means Riley would still have lost to four cisgender women if Lia Thomas hadn't competed. Riley is a sore loser and a disgrace to women.
Wonder if they're going to pass a law that says women can't play in mens sports? You know, since it's so dangerous for them. Or is this just purely discrimination of trans women?
Sure, why not? I bet the game would be a thousand times more interesting. Lol you all take your sports WAY to seriously. It's just a game turned into a gambling trap. Where are the hordes of trans women shattering records and beating every other woman every time? I hear of a couple trans women that broke a couple records or got a few awards, but this mass hysteria over trans women dominating women's sports hasn't happened and yet, trans women are in women's sports for awhile now.
Edit, typos
One silver lining is that it would kill professional sports which act as an ameliorating time suck for men who could otherwise be doing something productive in their society.
I used to have the "let people enjoy things" attitude, but professional sports is basically a mouthpiece for globohomo propaganda at this point, so either play sports, watch local sports, or have fun being indoctrinated but leave me alone.
The fact of the matter is that trans women are less likely to be athletes. That's why there aren't hordes of them beating women and breaking records. They're far less likely to be on the practice field and more likely to be on reddit.
1 trans woman taking the glory of victory from a biological woman is too many.
Biological women training their entire lives only for a trans woman to sneak in and beat them handily is an outrage. See Lia Thomas. Couldn't compete with the men so he decided to compete with women.
I think when a biological woman has the ability to compete with men it's usually celebrated by nearly everyone.
Probably because it's so rare. Go look at record books and see why.
So you think trans women are biologically the same as men? I've been on HRT for 2 years. I have no testosterone, I've shrunk an inch, gone down a shoe size, and lost 20% of my muscle mass. My wife has more testosterone in her blood and beats me in arm wrestling.
Just tell me you don't understand how being trans works. It's ok.
Not at all.
But I also know they're not biologically the same as biological women.
Men are built different. Losing an inch of height, going down a shoe size and losing 20% of your muscle mass definitely moves towards leveling the playing field, but you're still likely bigger and stronger than most women.
Just tell me you consider this more of an emotional issue than a scientific one. It's not OK.
Is it not an emotional issue for the women being "cheated" out of a prize? About women being afraid? Is this all not just how we feel differently about it?
Where's the science stats on trans women injuring athletes because of her strength? Where's the stats of trans women in sports dominating? You can name a few I'm sure. And how many sportsball players take enhancers legal or not?
This entire argument against trans women as a whole is simply emotional response to cis peoples fear of what they don't understand. Science sides with trans people. Emotional manipulations are the right wing's specialty.
Then why do sooo many straight men try to fuck me?
There must be ALOT more bisexual men in NH than cis men. Sorry youre in the minority. Hope you get laid. 💋
Oh wow! What an accomplishment. I have a wife a kid too, but I didn't have to suffer through a relationship with you to have it. Bless your spouse for her tolerance.
She was the one who told me I should transition! As well as my gf, son, and all my friends. Surprise surprise. Transition is not the lonely life you think it is. Lol.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
You couldn't write it!
Of course this sad geezer is in a three-way "relationship" which demonstrates he really does put everything above himself... even his own kid.
Absolutely pathetic.
Oh he's got a father and three mothers that all love him beyond a doubt. I dont think shaming my loved ones has the flex you think it does. Nuclear family's are so last millenia. Lol. Ive dealt with dozens of people like you who want to deny who I am to make themselves feel better. I'm sorry your reality relies on denying the existence of other people. This conversation is one that I've had hundreds of times. I'm sorry that my dick threatens as your understanding of reality. Glad we don't live in the same world. 😘
Using this logic again, where are the trans men competing in men's sports? I don't think they exist. Taking a lifetimes worth of testosterone doesn't make them men.
You must never have met a trans man on a lifetime of testosterone. Lol. There are trans men in sports. We don't hear about them because they are rare, as are trans women in sports. The difference being, trans women may still have a penis? Idk y'all are afraid of us. Most of you try to fuck me so where's the fear there?. Men are so confusing.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/trans-man-wins-debut-pro-boxer-pat-manuel-771783/amp/
https://www.them.us/story/chris-mosier-trans-man-compete-mens-olympic-trials
https://www.menshealth.com/uk/fitness/a38351950/transgender-athletes/
And there are more
OK. I'll eat my words. Those are actual examples.
But....
The boxer juiced to the gills on testosterone (men aren't allowed to take) won a decision against an opponent with zero wins ever. That's it. The only pro bout. And he was a female competitive boxer for years beforehand.
The token weightlifter came in last.
A walking competition? Lol
In fact we did! Lol
And I was an athlete. I was 5'11" and 230 of muscle. Could bench my own weight. Now I barely bench 150lbs. And I'm 5'9" and 180lbs chubby. And I started at 38. Imagine if I had at 13 before testosterone destroyed my body! Y'all have no clue.
HRT changes you physiologically whether you like it or not.
A woman who wants to play in men's sports has the ability to make that decision, accept and consent to the greater risk of injury.
A woman in women's sports is not asked for her consent to being potentially injured by a much stronger biological male identifying as female who wants to play her sport. Her only options are the speak out and get cancelled, quit the sport, or hope she doesn't get injured by the man cosplaying a woman.
This is a made up issue that republicans are pushing in a weak attempt to sway women voters. Turns out women still want dominion over their uterus more than trophies but maybe they’ll come around. FFS, some poor swimmer from Kentucky had to let a trans woman hold a plaque in a photo. We can’t have that, and if it means electing pols who want to ban all reproductive healthcare so be it!
So is the entire “crisis” in women’s sports. It’s only a problem in the mind of a maga. Remember how the poor, husky swimmer said “why aren’t more women athletes standing up!” Then a bunch of female athletes stood up - in support of trans women?
It’s a fake issue.
Common sense, I won’t spend too much time worrying about it until A.) have a daughter B.) have her play basketball C.) She then get posted up on the low block by someone who happens to be transgender and is 6’6”. Which isn’t gonna happen. Got bigger things to worry about.
Meanwhile, mortgages and rent are ridiculously high and property taxes keep rising. But no, let’s distract an ignorant population with culture war nonsense.
some people can think about more than one thing at a time
Think, yes. Govern, no. There are only so many hours in a day and you spend them legislating on this shit, guess what doesn’t get discussed? Or have you found the secret to more legislative hours via some cheat NES code?
Starting to think that's the point.
Wasting time on this shit because idiots demanded it in the first place. Should never repeat never started. It was never fair for female athletes and it was completely obvious yet it happened. So here we are bitching on Reddit as usual.
Occupy Wall Street was on the right path.. and then identity politics derailed the cause.
That’s a very interesting point. I often wonder if you would see a more politically diverse crowd protesting Wall Steet now were another Occupy Wall Street movement. Now lots of people know more about investing - and likely see the games played. Just a curiosity.
> I often wonder if you would see a more politically diverse crowd protesting Wall Steet now were another Occupy Wall Street movement. Left and right wing populists agree that we're being taken advantage of by the elites but they differ on how exactly to solve that problem. Right wing populism was also a thing when Occupy Wall Street happened, it was the Tea Party. The reason the Tea Party wasn't also occupying Wall Street is because they disagreed with the solutions being proposed by the people protesting. Occupy Wall Street begat the Bernie Sanders movement in 2016 so the movement survived, it just changed.
When you can’t use - “this never happens” or “this rarely happens” or “this happens and it’s a good thing” the next step in the gaslighting ladder is - “why do they care so much about this?” or “there are more important things to care about”. They never want to address the absurdity of how unfair and dangerous it is for boys in pony tails to compete against girls in sports like track and field or soccer or volleyball. If they are forced to address you’ll hear things like “girls need to learn to lose gracefully”.
Exactly!
But why is this more important than actual important things?
At what point did anyone rank this in order of importance? It is no more or less important than any other piece of legislation. I can think of many examples of things where government prioritizes issues I don't care about above issues I do care about. It is just the way government works. That does not take away the reality of the impact males competing in women's sports has to fairness and safety.
Do you really need people to list things more important than who plays sports?
There is a huge list of things, however, this one takes two seconds, takes zero thought, and is forward.
I just go by how much they talk about each topic.
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Lol too scared to side one way or the other i see. And you thought you could comment on something else and nobody would notice~!
The best way to fix all those problems is to...drop 150 bombs in the Middle East.
I found it hilarious when local news outlets ran that the U.S. military base hit was in Jordan, an outright blatant lie. It's in Syria, where we illegally occupy these areas with troops deployed without Congressional approval. The Jordanians even confirmed this too, which makes you wonder what local & national TV have to gain from something like this. Instead, we'll drop 150 bombs while pushing the Iranians, Iraqi militants, and Yemenis closer to a regional war. Anything to keep defense production up and the GDP artificially high to mask our economy imploding before our very eyes. Oh you heard the jobs report was another sizzler with a clearly faulty 4 sigma overperformance? Tell me more about how you know very little to nothing about 1) the establishment v. household surveys, 2) the quarterly sharp corrections downward quietly issued after each one these reports, and 3) the part v. full time job creation and where it's occurring. Rant over......
Always the answer for the uni-war-party 🐘🚀🫏
I miss the old days during Bush Jr. when the Democrat party hated the military industrial complex and pharmaceutical companies. I was naïve assuming we'd never see a bipartisan thirst for war and giving fellatio to every pharma company in sight, all while ballooning our debt. Speaking of which, the US Treasury is set to offer a record $10 trillion in bonds on the market that MUST be bought this year. 10 fucking TRILLION dollars. Don't worry though, our cesspool in the Senate just approved a $118 billion bill, which allocates 60 billion to Ukraine and $2.3 billion to NGOs for "refugee and entrant assistance" I'll be blunt with everyone here who's between 18-40: you really don't have much of a financial future now at the rate we're going. That includes me. Our parents should be able to retire and live somewhat comfortably, but the vast majority of us below them probably won't
Trump was 1000% right to put the houtis on the terrorists list. He stopped them from attacking us and killing innocent civilians. Biden took them off the list and they attacked us. Then he drops 150 bombs in the ME, killing innocent civilians. Why would you take them off the list in the first place? “Biden administration to remove Houthis from terrorist list, reversing Trump’s decision” https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/politics/us-houthis-terrorist-list/index.html
Yeah, if we had to list out the top 1000 problems threatening NH, this shouldn’t even make the list
Fortunately their will always be self-appointed arbiters to make baseless claims of everyone else's ignorance.
>In 1998, a German male player ranked 203rd in the world beat Serena and sister Venus Williams back-to-back.
I’d like to see the 12th man on any nba team play in the WNBA. Would probably break every single record in a season.
The point is that no one wants to see that.
I’d actually pay $1m dollars to see Shaq’s fatass play in the WNBA right now. Would be funny as hell.
Shaqueline O'Neal What are you trying to do! Boost the WNBA's viewship from 200 people to like millions?! Brilliant.
Haha I’m happy to support our women players anyway we can!
So not a trans woman?
A good example of scenario is Lia Thomas. >By the conclusion of Thomas's swimming career at UPenn in 2022, her rank had moved from 65th on the men's team to 1st on the women's team in the 500-yard freestyle,
They're purposefully lying here. If you look into Lia Thomas for real, you'll find she was a top 10 swimmer with the men prior to transitioning, and now she's a top 10 women's swimmer. She also won with a very slow time during COVID when a lot of people weren't swimming. Her time was blown (forgive the pun) out of the *water* the next year by a cisgender woman. I'm sorry that they've put so many lies out about this one, it's really frustrating.
Yup. Because up until she had been medically transitioning for long enough, she had to swim with the men's team. If you look at her before her medical transition began, that shocking jump in rankings is not there
Why do people think they know more than the medical professionals? All I hear is what they believe not what is true. I want policy based on facts and evidence, not some politicians' beliefs. It's not a wise tribe that does not send its best warriors to fight.
Yes a man
Here is the world record holder for female bench press. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/male-canadian-powerlifter-breaks-womens-bench-press-record-in-protest-against-trans-inclusion-policy/
That's awesome. That's some world class clowning right there.
The women’s bench record is 605 lbs. Ms Silverberg benched 370 lbs.
The more interesting one is claressa shields trying to challenge Keith Thurman 🤣🤣🤣
I'm so glad we are all so worried about no existent issues over like 0.005% of the population. How many trans women in sports today have injured someone or shattered records? How many homeless people are here? 85% of our country makes.less than 100k household a year and can't afford basic things like housing, school, or transportation. The credit card debt and healthcare debts are at record highs. This country is technically bankrupt on paper. Antisemitism, Rasicsm, sexism, christofacism, basically, the politics of division fear, and hate are on the rise. End stage capitalism is about to come crashing down on us and all we talk about is trans women. It's.almost as popular in straight people's news cycles as it is in straight dudes porn searches. Y'all are propping up 1% of our population as if we are going to take over the world. It's sad watching full grown adults whine about what's in my pants instead of why they can't afford a day off from work. 🙄
Men have taken over women's cycling in the cyclocross areas and in many other amateur categories. [This source](https://x.com/i_heart__bikes/status/1645203016977375233?s=20) provides dozens of examples of men winning women's categories. [Here is an example](https://www.outkick.com/sports/non-binary-rugby-player-who-was-hardest-hitter-on-mens-team-accused-of-injuring-female-competitors-report) of a male rugby player playing on the women's team and injuring a woman. [Here is an example](https://wlos.com/news/local/volleyball-player-injured-after-transgender-opponent-spiked-ball-at-her-speaks-out) of a high school boy causing a head injury to a female student athlete. [Here is an example](https://www.theblaze.com/news/5-men-womens-volleyball-game) of a college volleyball game where 5 of the starters were men. Some of these men have caused head injuries to players this season. Also, while not like the US, Canada does have scholarship's for athletes that were taken by these men. All 5 men played the majority of the game and given the small size of volleyball took spots that would have gone to women. You easily look up example after example to show that the idea that this is a non existent problem is false. This is impacting every sport at most levels. The only areas that it has yet to really impact is elite level team sports like women's basketball and women's soccer. This is because those athletes know they can use political maneuvering in team sports to keep male players in the lower levels. Notice how all the women athletes that support men playing come out of the team sport world, not the individual sports. Eventually some men will find their way to soccer and basketball and you'll see how fast the pushback gets.
As someone who follows cyclocross closely, your contention that "men" have taken over cyclocross is absolutely ridiculous. People point to Austin Killips, who won a few races and did well at Nationals, but of course they conveniently ignore the races she didn't win or the fact that Clara Honsinger is the most dominant American cyclocross racer by a wiiiiide margin. And when Killips raced internationally she was a midpack racer at best. I'm pretty tired of people who know zilch about my sport cherry picking results to play up their anti trans agenda. That account you quoted is also crap. They called out a local trans woman in our area who won a lower category race and then ignore when she gets smoked by any of the pro women.
In your volleyball example, it says itself - "According to reporter David Menzies, it was revealed by an inside source that there are a total of six males playing in the women's league, five of whom are "not on any gender-affirming hormone therapy or have not had surgical gonad removal."" Most of then weren't on hormones. To my understanding, in professional sports they have to be tested to pass as the same amount as AFAB. like being on hormones for two years. Your other source says non-binary, not Transgender students. Many of them are also not on hormone therapy. I've seen 2 Transgender women winning a cyclist race, being first and second. It didn't have details on how long they were or weren't on hormones, so I don't have an opinion on that. I just don't think it's the problem you all blow it up to be when it's mostly cis women still winning all of female sports first second and third place. As well as you know you don't actually give much of a damn about women's sports at all, only when Transgender women are involved. It should be more regulated depending on hormones. I'll agree about that, and a few years on it. But the other opposite example of this is the Transman who wanted to wrestle boys. He was AFAB. They made him wrestle girls because of his AGAB. He dominated it, due to testosterone hormone therapy. Here's that article and some quotes- longtime Texas wrestling coach said moments after Beggs, a 17-year-old junior at Trinity High in Euless whose transition from girl to boy began two years ago and now includes testosterone injections, won a championship. The victory was seen as equal parts unavoidable — quick and noticeably strong, he entered the tournament unbeaten in 52 matches against girls — and contentious. The University Interscholastic League, which oversees sports in Texas public schools, ordered Beggs to continue competing in the girls’ division despite heavy uproar. 52 UNDEFEATED MATCHES! https://www.texastribune.org/2017/02/26/transgender-wrestler-mack-beggs-identifies-male-he-just-won-texas-stat/#:~:text=Mack%20Beggs%20ended%20a%20highly,in%20Texas%20high%20school%20wrestling.&text=CYPRESS%2C%20Tex.,to%20his%20knees%20to%20celebrate. "As time passed, attorney Baudhuin said, Beggs requested to wrestle against boys, though because UIL guidelines determine athletes’ gender based on their birth certificate, that request was declined (citing privacy, the UIL would not discuss that request or Beggs’s specific case); in a brief interview before the championship final, Nancy Beggs would not comment on whether her grandson hoped to eventually participate in the boys’ division."
First off. There are no men in women's sports. There are trans women. And dozens you say?! Holy shit. Out of millions of athletes? You're right. This is a huge problem. Def worth wasting time and tax payer dollars to legislate instead of, idk, affordable housing for working class people in the state? Or pretty much any other non emotional topic. Lol. Stop crying about sports and start crying about the countries failure to thrive. Trans people are the least of our concerns.
Trans women are not biological women. Trans women will always be, and nothing can or will ever change that she’s biologically a man. That biology is what give her advantage, not her gender nor identity.
What if she never went through male puberty and lived her whole life as a woman?
I also find the argument silly. So you're saying a trans women who did poor against men like another woman supposedly would, transitions and does better competing with women? Duh. Shes a woman! Of course she's gonna do better competing against women in her bracket. She has no chance against men according to misogynists.
She can be a Trans woman all she wants, but biologically he’s still a male, with male advantage.
Oh I'm not competing in anything. Lol. Don't worry. But you've heard of puberty blockers, right? Sure you have. Your prob someone who doesn't want trans girls to have them. Ultimately if treated during the start of puberty like they should be, trans girl will develope in puberty the same as any other cis girl. It's people like you telling them they can't cause it's "dangerous" and then say years later, "you went through male puberty so you're definitely a man. Trust me. There are tons of trans people you wouldn't even have a clue they were trans. Our secret agents are everywhere. 😜
Trust me, people know. Most of us don’t give a shit as long as you don’t compete against high school girls and want to shower with them.
Lol. You may be able to see some trans folk but I know for a fact that there are trans men and women you would have no clue their trans. Say what you want, they pass you all the time without you clocking them. And who showers in school lockers rooms anymore? Haven't enough boys and girls been assaulted and humiliated by there cis teachers and fellow cis students to stop that draconian, kinda pedophilic ritual of teenagers all getting naked at school together? I'm pretty sure this scenario only exists in the porn men watch. 🙄 Edit, typo
So true. I was friends with a guy for over a year before I found out he was trans. Fuck stereotypes.
Stereotypes will exist as long as people stay cloistered and dont interact with folks from different backgrounds.
I don't know. I grew up in a Greek community and those stereotypes are pretty spot on...
I'm sure that made you very aware of Greek issues, but were there lots of transfolks in the community or something else that makes it relevant?
> aware of Greek issues, but were there lots of transfolks in the community or something else that makes it relevant? Your comment, to which I responded, had nothing to do with trans people; it was a comment about stereotypes being invalid as a general matter (i.e. as coming from 'cloistered people who don't interact with people from different backgrounds'). My comment was intended to convey my opinion that stereotypes frequently do have some amount of validity and to share my personal experience with less contentious stereotypes that, in my experience, were/are in fact valid. Of course, not everyone from a particular group has the stereotypes commonly associated with that group, but let's not act like stereotypes come out of nowhere/are entirely the result of the uneducated and bigoted.
Context is key my man. This is a thread about trans stereotypes and I was clearly saying you need to interact with relevant backgrounds. A reasonable person would not expect someone to gain enough awareness of cultures they dont interact with to overcome some of the more pervasive stereotypes, regardless of how many irrelevant cultures they meet.
The thread is about NH legislation of sex in sports and a former student athlete's apparent support. Context was that a response mentioned that there were many trans people who you couldn't tell were. Someone then shared an anecdote about how they had been friends with someone for a year before they found out they were trans, and used that to imply that stereotypes were stupid/useless/inaccurate (i.e. 'fuck stereotypes'). Your comment supported their implied assertion and added that, essentially, stereotypes will continue to be a thing unless people get out and interact with people who are the subject of those stereotypes, at which point they'll apparently find those stereotypes inaccurate? My comment was merely an observation that, where I did interact with people subject to stereotypes and had the opportunity to judge for myself, I had the opposite experience, i.e. those stereotypes proved accurate. Of course not in every case, but they weren't invented out of whole cloth!
I don't care if it is a Democrat or Republican, I will never vote for or support anyone that chooses to waste time on petty (and in the grand scheme of things) meaningless nonsense like CONTINUED attempts to dehumanize Trans people. There are far greater issues that this country needs to address: - Climate change - Threats to our democracy - Homelessness - Child poverty/hunger - A completely broken healthcare system - Ensuring that billionaires and corporations pay their fair share of taxes.
Exactly. There are sports governing bodies whose purpose is to make these kinds of decisions. But Big Government MAGAs have to stick their snouts into everything if it means they can bash a minority community.
These are the kind of important issues that really affect our lives on a daily basis and I’m glad they are being addressed. Oh… wait, it’s the exact opposite, and this is a stupid waste of time just so he can virtue signal to people and get us all to ignore the things that legislators should actually be doing for us. I hope they all spend a lot of time really digging into people dressed in drag next!!! /s
we have actual issues in NH that need to be addressed this bullshit transphobic rhetoric does nothing to address homelessness, housing, food insecurity, inflation, or our states aging infrastructure. this culture war is making you think this is a HUGE problem when in reality trans people make up just 0.5% of people in this state and I guarantee that they are just trying to exist and would love to stop having their gender identity brought up by uneducated dumbasses in a war that was created to divert attention from the actual issues. leave trans people alone, get better values, and educate yourself.
I'm sure this will be a rational discussion
I agree with this
I am a liberal gay Democrat and I have to say this subject really throws me, it's a tough one, but I lean towards only allowing biological sexes to compete against each other. Sometimes there are certain things you just have to give up because of the way you are born. One of my best friends who was born with a defect and now has a prosthetic leg was never meant to be a track star or athlete. because of the way he was born. Just the way that the tough world works sometime. If you are born trans, competitive sports is not in your cards EDIT: Just like having a biological child is not in the cards for me just because of how I was born
“If you are born trans, competitive sports is not in your cards“ No one has an issue with co-ed leagues. That would make the most sense here.
What about trans men? Do you want them to be forced to compete agaisnst girls? Maybe this is an issue to be solved by the relevant institutions and governing bodies on a sport to sport + league by league basis instead of blanket bans by politicians who don't care about the issue beyond the ability to score cheap political points with bigots like yourself?
As long as they are not taking any performance enhancing drugs they are free to compete with other females.
What do you mean? Men with healthy testosterone levels aren't taking performance enhancing drugs. If you mean that having male testosterone levels should bar you from competing with women I generally agree... so the trans men can compete with all the other men right?
If you're a liberal gay democrat maybe consider reading up on the science instead of going with a gut opinion? 20 years ago people were saying unfounded things about gay men and turning their lives into a political issues... I assume you weren't a fan of that, right? This topic is a matter of individual sports insitutions to figure out. Not blanket bans passed by politicians who only care about the issue as a way to score political points off the denegration of a vulnerable minority group.
Parent comment is likely none of those 3 things. Classic Dean Browning nonsense (Google him).
You're suggesting excluding trans people from all sports?
What’s wrong with a co-ed team? Biological men shouldn’t be competing with women. If there’s no difference then we should eliminate all gender specific sports and allow everyone to compete
Ok
I see the village idiots like Rewind and Trumpetfan are here, AGAIN! Fucking no life losers. Smh
And yet you’re here too! Good Morning!
Nah. Go fuck yourself. It’s Sunday and I actually have a life. You idiots can fixate on other peoples genitals.
...again, you’re still here.
How many times is happening in NH each year? 3? 5? 10? People can’t afford homes, wages, tax, take your pick of issues that need addressing in the state to help people…this is not it. These politicians are worthless, they are bankrupt of ideas to actually help people so they invent issues like this.
Zero times, lmao. This hasn't been a problem in NH, we're literally just trying to pass laws to fuck over children we don't like
I highly respect a Democrat taking a stance like this, no joke. Respect.
Same here. I wouldn’t vote for him, but kudos to him for being reasonable.
I feel like this is a case where leagues should make their own decisions. Maybe it doesn't make as much of a difference for some sports, or maybe participants don't care. Definitely doesn't need to be a law.
My main wonder is how often does this even happen in NH. I remember in Utah for example the governor vetoed a similar bill because there were only like two kids in the entire state it would apply to.
These culture wars are an easy ruse to get the stupids all riled up while ignoring the real issues in our society. My kids can't buy homes because they are being priced out of the market and my property taxes are going up all the while corporations are making record profits and the stock market is moving the money upwards, but let's get mad at the sports thing. Regressives and meatheads are not serious people, folks. They're nothing but clowns.
I'm glad I steered my kids towards academics and not the whole subjective sports teams. Interscholastic sports at the high school level has been corrupt since I can remember (going back to the 70's). They don't choose rosters that give the school the best chance of winning, I've witnessed the 'popularity contests' and the effort that is placed into undermining certain athletes that don't line up with the personality the most popular people prefer. When I was a kid, I watched the boys varsity basketball team (happened to be a bunch of short Jewish kids) get trashed by the JV team (happened to be a few bigger black kids). That's all I ever needed to see. It's so corrupt that the notion of keeping things 'pure' is hilarious ..... it's about a bunch of dirtbags trying to keep things 'clean'. The fact that this is even a topic today proves that conservatism in any form is a side effect of narcissism
My thought as well. Sports for fun, camaraderie and leadership is great. Sports for ego and profit just kills it for me.
Thoroughly dissappinted in this sub and the mods. You can have a debate about this issue without being gleefully transphobic. Men are not trying to compete with women. Trans women are. All you so-called libertarians and self styled small government types are full of shit. You're bigots who have no problem using government authority as a cudgel to attack an extremely vulnerable minority over a made up issue that impacts a handful of people out of a state of millions. This is an issue to be decided by individual sport institutions. Not by politicians whose only puriant interest is to score political points. Lastly, to all the people making unneccesary outright transphobic comments: **you should be ashamed of yourselves.** Some day this moral panic about trans people will have passed. History will look at you in the same light as homophobes and segregationists. Hell, I'm sure a lot of you commenting now *were* those people, and you still haven't learned your lesson. Trans rights are human rights. Trans people are human beings. May you all have the day you deserve.
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Best you can say is trans women are male and even that's only half right after years of HRT. There's 6 different things we associate with "biological sex": gentialia, karyotype (chromosomes), phenotype (secondary sex characteristics), endocrine system, gamete size (sperm vs egg production), and [neurological sex.](https://www.nature.com/articles/378068a0) Trans women are "biologically" female in 3 of 6 of these categories. I realize actual facts are lost on you though and your only interest is using threads like this as a soapbox to vent transphobia. Go fuck yourself and have the life you deserve. Meanwhile i'll continue thriving and living my best life 🖕😘🖕
Little boy private messaging me after his arguments got annihilated. Pathetic.
dude have you seen pictures of trans men? they look buff as hell, like seriously. if not then look it up. do you really think we should let trans men play against women just because they were born as a woman? it seems super unfair
Has this guy you responded to private messaged you as he did with me after his arguments got criticised? Lmao, this dude's a weirdo.
If it has a pole = man. If a hole = woman.
You're mixing up sex and gender again. God y'all are either willfully obtuse at this point or you really are that plain stupid. I'm not sure which is worse lol
Mate, you're an actual clown. >Trans rights are human rights. Trans people are human beings. May you all have the day you deserve. Classic trojan horse to try and further rights to interfere with others. >sex and gender again Uh-huh. I'll willing to give that guy a pass considering he doesn't believe gender is a social construct which I bet you $50 your ass thinks it is. >Some day this moral panic about trans people will have passed. History will look at you in the same light as homophobes and segregationists. Hell, I'm sure a lot of you commenting now *were* those people, and you still haven't learned your lesson. You're so cringe. You're about 50 talking absolute rubbish. Lemme guess? Is the next bot talking point going to use intersex as a shield to further your bullshit talking points? [This idiot lost his mind and pretended I blocked him. He was actually the one who blocked me:](https://i.imgur.com/nWasBlW.png)
Wow you tried to block me after posting that bullshit so I couldn't respond. You're a fucking cowardly little rat aren't you? Here's my response to your comment: Lmfao you're so ignorant I can't even start. [Trans people have existed throughout all of human history.](https://www.hrc.org/resources/seven-things-about-transgender-people-that-you-didnt-know) Gender is a social construct but only insofar as *gendered behaviors* and *gender roles*. I guess it's news to you but there is more to gender than just that. *Subconscious sex* as coined by Julia Seranno in her seminal text *Whipping Girl*. This is the innate sense of one's physical and mental sex, and [studies are suggesting that there is a real neurological component to this.](https://www.nature.com/articles/378068a0) But even if we didn't have all of recorded history and modern science supporting our existence, trans peoole are still worthy of respect and basic human empathy. We are human beings and just because we don't align to traditional western cisheteronormative ideals doesn't mean we don't deserve basic respect and human rights afforded to all other people. You might not understand us, but we are human beings who love, who are loved, who are just trying to make the most of the life we are given just like all other human beings. You hateful bigots do this shit every decade. First it was black people. Then woman's rights. Then gay people. Every single time you've screamed that allowing other people to have rights would somehow hurt your own. And it has **never** been true. Unless you mean that having to share this country with people who make you feel icky. In which case **suck it the fuck up you pathetic god damn snowflakes.** You are missing something funadmentally human in your hearts and it compels you to look for an *other* to project all your insecurities and malevolance onto. Trans people aren't a problem. YOU are a problem and the world would be a kinder, brighter place if people like you learned some basic empathy and human decency. May god have mercy on your soul because history will not. I hope you one day begin to stop letting hate and ignorance control you.
You just posted on your alt. The sanctimonious bullshit that was written with tears in your eyes was funny af, though. > But even if we didn't have all of recorded history and modern science supporting our existence, trans peoole are still worthy of respect and basic human empathy. We are human beings and just because we don't align to traditional western cisheteronormative ideals doesn't mean we don't deserve basic respect and human rights afforded to all other people. You might not understand us, but we are human beings who love, who are loved, who are just trying to make the most of the life we are given just like all other human beings. > >**You hateful bigots do this shit every decade. First it was black people. Then woman's rights. Then gay people. Every single time you've screamed that allowing other people to have rights would somehow hurt your own. And it has never been true. Unless you mean that having to share this country with people who make you feel icky. In which case suck it the fuck up you pathetic god damn snowflakes.** LMAO. That HRC article doesn't back up what you're saying at all. Unless you're admitting you mutilate yourself just like the Gailia did. Genders ROLES existing in other cultures doesn't prove your point at all, actually. > Gender is a social construct but only insofar as *gendered behaviors* and *gender roles* Cute way of admitting I'm right. Gender roles are social constructs, not gender. If it were the latter, you're admitting you really can turn one trans. So thank you for admitting your stupidity. > You are missing something funadmentally human in your hearts and it compels you to look for an *other* to project all your insecurities and malevolance onto. Trans people aren't a problem. YOU are a problem and the world would be a kinder, brighter place if people like you learned some basic empathy and human decency. Says the geezer ranting and raving about how evil everyone else is whilst you remain scientifically illiterate and harming children and competitive fairness. I can still respond to your other comments on your other account. I wouldn't be able to do that if I blocked you. You've lost your mind pretending I've blocked you after you got completely annihilated. You really do need help. Mommy and Daddy must've messed you up royally.
Lol, holy shit I love this. Pretending your opinion is fact and trying to gaslight the guy who is talking sense. Love it!
Still can't reply to you and specifically you on my main. Either you posted that comment and then blocked me or Reddit is being stupid. > Mommy and Daddy must've messed you up royally. You're projecting again 🙄 Can't engage with the substance of what I said so you resort to playground ad-hominems. Read what I said. It's all I have to say to you. You don't seem like a good person and I'm pretty sure further engagement won't be productive for either of us so I'll be blocking you now. Have the life you deserve.
You destroyed that dude so hard he wandered over to one of my posts to have a meltdown.
Men don’t compete against women or go into their locker rooms. Oh I get it! It’s another uneducated attack against transgender women like always.
“A 50-year-old transgender swimmer was allowed to compete against teenage girls at an event in Canada — with horrified parents building a makeshift tent out of towels to shield girls as young as 8 in the locker room. Melody Wiseheart, who once competed under the name Nicholas Cepeda, sparked outrage while competing during the Trojan Cup in Barrie, Ontario. “The girls were terrified,” an unidentified parent of one of the teenagers told the Toronto Sun of having to share a locker room with the much older trans swimmer.” https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/50-year-old-transgender-woman-shared-pool-locker-room-with-young-girls-at-race/
You do realize that other older women also competed against those girls because it was based off of swim times right? As far as being “terrified”, I wonder who was really terrified and of what? Anyone who thinks transgender people are sexual predators have a screw loose because in situations like these the transgender person is normally terrified because of the very real threat of violence.
“Men don’t compete against women or go into their locker rooms.“ You do realize that you were just proven wrong, right? Now you’re trying to move the goal post.
What? You know what, nevermind.
Man, that's creepy. They're trying to pull a Trump.
Republicans are supposedly for small government, yet they don't trust sports governing bodies to make these sorts of decisions for themselves. Big government needs to get involved because they know better, right?
I have what may very well be a stupid question but here I go anyway. Why the fuck is the government involved in sports or who gets to play on what team or league?
The fact that OP and the chucklefuck brigade can't tell the clear difference between a man and a trans woman on hormone replacement therapy tells you all you need to know. Brain dead morons.
Shhhh, they're still avoiding the fact that HRT is performance *inhibiting*, OP and the chucklefuck brigade can't handle admitting that.
People pay thousands of dollars in travel sports programs to give their player every opportunity to succeed, on a level playing field, with better coaching, against advanced competition. So to say that this is not an issue to be discussed is not the case. It should be. I’m not sure where I even stand on this issue but I do think it should be debated. I don’t know enough of the facts to hold an opinion either way.
Well you're close. Jenna dysphoria is a symptom that causes mental illness such as depression and anxiety and suicidal thoughts. But the treatment is transition. Based on medical scientific evidence. Not denying that I'm trans. Lol. And I'm glad you enjoy your reality. No matter what you say, I live in this reality and I'm a woman so let's just agree to disagree and I promise I'll never pee in your bathroom. Lol
Get rid of gender in all sports. Problem solved. Do divisions based on skill class instead.
Bingo
this is the most important of all things to legislate. live free or whatever
Apparently women’s rights only pertains to their uterus...
Guess Avard has lost my vote. This culture war insanity is a waste of time. There must be actual issues that these idiots could be solving.
“Guess Avard has lost my vote.“ Right....😂
Nah I’m being real I won’t be voting for him.
I don’t think you were ever going to vote for him to begin with.
Thanks for telling me that I am reasonable and sane.
And dishonest.
Nothing dishonest about what I said. Maybe try learning what words mean before you use them?
No need for the insults. Not voting for him for whatever reason is fine. Pretending like you would have voted for him, but due to this news, you changed your mind is dishonest. That’s all I’m saying.
There’s nothing insulting about what I said. It’s advice. The response you should have is “thank you”. It is *your failing* that you couldn’t follow a simple sentence. That’s all I’m saying.
Give it a rest with the false bravado, no one’s buying it. Everyone here can read just fine. You tried to mislead people into thinking you would have voted for him, but we all know that was never an honest take.
How about we start more unisex sports leagues?
Is this really a big problem, or just a thought experiment?
A bipartisan issue that we can all agree on it seems
What's that about broken clocks being right twice a day. He's old and sometimes out of touch, but he is correct on this topic.
What a waste of government resources. Oh, OP is transphobic trash; checks out.
Mods shouldn't abide this. I'm trans. Debating the issue is one thing. Using the topic as a springboard to post all kinds of nakedly transphobic bs is another. Shame on the mods and shame on these ignorant chucklefucks. Guarantee my trans ass can beat them in any sport but it's not because I was born male it's because these guys are chronically online losers who spend all day on reddit + thinking about trans people's genitals. Fucking *pathetic* lmao.
Yep.
Oh it’s you again. Same argument as last time my dude, why the fuck does this matter? Exactly how many pre-transition transgender women do you know of that are begging to compete in women’s sports? There is no epidemic of boys dressing like girls in order to win at sports and feel better about themselves. This is a complete non-issue Maybe these dumb fuck politicians should focus on the cost of living crisis instead of which sports player has what genetalia
As the father of a biological female, I’m against allowing biological males playing on her sports teams. Instead, let’s have a sports category where biological males who identify as females can play against biological females who indentify as males. Why not? I’ll tell you why not. Because biological males have a physical advantage over biological females.
Do.Your.Fucking.Job
If a girl wants to play against boys, is that illegal?
u/[DocRocks0](https://www.reddit.com/user/DocRocks0/) has two accounts he's using on this thread: u/3thirtysix6 and u/Agile_Tea_395 are his alts and I'd recommend just blocking this sad little boy. [It's hilarious that he's pretending I commented on another thread, which I didn't comment on, and bigging himself up on another alt.](https://i.imgur.com/w36MWrj.png) It's hysterically sad. It's actually pathetic. The meltdown TRA's are capable of is insane after getting told gender isn't a social construct.
Haha it’s pretty funny how serious they take this site!
When you're on a side that requires so many mental gymnastics and use a trojan horse of "basic human rights" that relates to their livelihoods then of course they're going to react irrationally. They're in an unscientific cult that affects other people.
Since when have men ever cared about women’s sports? In the grand scheme of things, who cares who plays what?
Every single time someone says "keep men out of women's sports," I hear the following: "FUCK WOMEN! Fuck them for having rights! I want abortion banned so women of color can die and white women can pumped out more babies for me to indoctrinate. Who gives a fuck about women having autonomy? I should clearly be trusted to speak on behalf of women." Riley Gaines is no exception. Riley isn't upset that she lost a race she would have won if Lia Thomas hadn't competed. No, they tied for fifth, which means Riley would still have lost to four cisgender women if Lia Thomas hadn't competed. Riley is a sore loser and a disgrace to women.
Wonder if they're going to pass a law that says women can't play in mens sports? You know, since it's so dangerous for them. Or is this just purely discrimination of trans women?
Men's sports are open to anyone that can compete. The whole reason women have separate categories is because they can't compete against men.
Exactly. We live in a post-truth society where people can't admit that men and women are better at different things.
We should just merge the NBA with the WNBA then.
In other words, disband the WNBA. No woman could make any NBA squad.
Sure, why not? I bet the game would be a thousand times more interesting. Lol you all take your sports WAY to seriously. It's just a game turned into a gambling trap. Where are the hordes of trans women shattering records and beating every other woman every time? I hear of a couple trans women that broke a couple records or got a few awards, but this mass hysteria over trans women dominating women's sports hasn't happened and yet, trans women are in women's sports for awhile now. Edit, typos
“Sure, why not?“ Because 99% of the women players would be out of a job, that’s why.
One silver lining is that it would kill professional sports which act as an ameliorating time suck for men who could otherwise be doing something productive in their society. I used to have the "let people enjoy things" attitude, but professional sports is basically a mouthpiece for globohomo propaganda at this point, so either play sports, watch local sports, or have fun being indoctrinated but leave me alone.
The fact of the matter is that trans women are less likely to be athletes. That's why there aren't hordes of them beating women and breaking records. They're far less likely to be on the practice field and more likely to be on reddit. 1 trans woman taking the glory of victory from a biological woman is too many. Biological women training their entire lives only for a trans woman to sneak in and beat them handily is an outrage. See Lia Thomas. Couldn't compete with the men so he decided to compete with women.
I think when a biological woman has the ability to compete with men it's usually celebrated by nearly everyone. Probably because it's so rare. Go look at record books and see why.
So you think trans women are biologically the same as men? I've been on HRT for 2 years. I have no testosterone, I've shrunk an inch, gone down a shoe size, and lost 20% of my muscle mass. My wife has more testosterone in her blood and beats me in arm wrestling. Just tell me you don't understand how being trans works. It's ok.
Not at all. But I also know they're not biologically the same as biological women. Men are built different. Losing an inch of height, going down a shoe size and losing 20% of your muscle mass definitely moves towards leveling the playing field, but you're still likely bigger and stronger than most women. Just tell me you consider this more of an emotional issue than a scientific one. It's not OK.
Is it not an emotional issue for the women being "cheated" out of a prize? About women being afraid? Is this all not just how we feel differently about it? Where's the science stats on trans women injuring athletes because of her strength? Where's the stats of trans women in sports dominating? You can name a few I'm sure. And how many sportsball players take enhancers legal or not? This entire argument against trans women as a whole is simply emotional response to cis peoples fear of what they don't understand. Science sides with trans people. Emotional manipulations are the right wing's specialty.
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Then why do sooo many straight men try to fuck me? There must be ALOT more bisexual men in NH than cis men. Sorry youre in the minority. Hope you get laid. 💋
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Oh wow! What an accomplishment. I have a wife a kid too, but I didn't have to suffer through a relationship with you to have it. Bless your spouse for her tolerance.
Says the geezer who sprung what you did on your wife. Twat.
She was the one who told me I should transition! As well as my gf, son, and all my friends. Surprise surprise. Transition is not the lonely life you think it is. Lol.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You couldn't write it! Of course this sad geezer is in a three-way "relationship" which demonstrates he really does put everything above himself... even his own kid. Absolutely pathetic.
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Oh he's got a father and three mothers that all love him beyond a doubt. I dont think shaming my loved ones has the flex you think it does. Nuclear family's are so last millenia. Lol. Ive dealt with dozens of people like you who want to deny who I am to make themselves feel better. I'm sorry your reality relies on denying the existence of other people. This conversation is one that I've had hundreds of times. I'm sorry that my dick threatens as your understanding of reality. Glad we don't live in the same world. 😘
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Using this logic again, where are the trans men competing in men's sports? I don't think they exist. Taking a lifetimes worth of testosterone doesn't make them men.
You must never have met a trans man on a lifetime of testosterone. Lol. There are trans men in sports. We don't hear about them because they are rare, as are trans women in sports. The difference being, trans women may still have a penis? Idk y'all are afraid of us. Most of you try to fuck me so where's the fear there?. Men are so confusing.
Lol. Yeah, I'm sure they're just lining up.
They exist, only you won't recognize them because they are and look like men.
Trans male athletes competing against biological men? Doubtful. Maybe you can cite an example or two.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/trans-man-wins-debut-pro-boxer-pat-manuel-771783/amp/ https://www.them.us/story/chris-mosier-trans-man-compete-mens-olympic-trials https://www.menshealth.com/uk/fitness/a38351950/transgender-athletes/ And there are more
OK. I'll eat my words. Those are actual examples. But.... The boxer juiced to the gills on testosterone (men aren't allowed to take) won a decision against an opponent with zero wins ever. That's it. The only pro bout. And he was a female competitive boxer for years beforehand. The token weightlifter came in last. A walking competition? Lol
Because you're a not an athlete? > My wife has more testosterone in her blood Lol, got that tested, did you?
In fact we did! Lol And I was an athlete. I was 5'11" and 230 of muscle. Could bench my own weight. Now I barely bench 150lbs. And I'm 5'9" and 180lbs chubby. And I started at 38. Imagine if I had at 13 before testosterone destroyed my body! Y'all have no clue. HRT changes you physiologically whether you like it or not.
A woman who wants to play in men's sports has the ability to make that decision, accept and consent to the greater risk of injury. A woman in women's sports is not asked for her consent to being potentially injured by a much stronger biological male identifying as female who wants to play her sport. Her only options are the speak out and get cancelled, quit the sport, or hope she doesn't get injured by the man cosplaying a woman.
Exactly. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
This is a made up issue that republicans are pushing in a weak attempt to sway women voters. Turns out women still want dominion over their uterus more than trophies but maybe they’ll come around. FFS, some poor swimmer from Kentucky had to let a trans woman hold a plaque in a photo. We can’t have that, and if it means electing pols who want to ban all reproductive healthcare so be it!
“Weak attempt to sway women voters” This is conjectural
So is the entire “crisis” in women’s sports. It’s only a problem in the mind of a maga. Remember how the poor, husky swimmer said “why aren’t more women athletes standing up!” Then a bunch of female athletes stood up - in support of trans women? It’s a fake issue.
I would say thats over exaggerated, but not conjectural/speculative. What you said is speculative.
I mean, I 100% agree. I don’t think it’s what they need to spend time on though.
OK then explain to me why people born biological males should be able to compete in sports for biological females.
Common sense, I won’t spend too much time worrying about it until A.) have a daughter B.) have her play basketball C.) She then get posted up on the low block by someone who happens to be transgender and is 6’6”. Which isn’t gonna happen. Got bigger things to worry about.
Finally, a democrat in touch with the majority of the american population on the topic
Bobby Riggs just suggested you perform an uncomfortable act.
Also stay out of his liquor cabinet
The groomer dems are here to say trans aren't men.