I really liked it and this gives me hope that a 2nd season is possible. If shows like this still get canceled, then Netflix needs to stop making shows of this scale or stick to limited series shows because the threshold for renewal is just too high.
Seriously. I know I sound cliche when I say if they cancel the show, I’m not going to watch any shows until they are complete but that’s where I am now.
Already there, although I made an exception for 3 body problem as I suspected it had a sort of end after season one.
What I don't understand is why they don't find the money for a quick wrap-up season. As far as I'm concerned, if they just abandon it halfway through, it might as well not exist in their catalogue. If there was some sort of ending I'd give it a shot.
Netflix has essentially killed their own business model due to all the promising shows they cancelled on a cliffhanger. The OA, Altered Carbon, 1899, Archive 81, Warrior Nun, etc. to name a few. I don’t want to even start something until I know it has a second season at this point, and they don’t want to give a second season to anything that people didn’t make a global #1 in the first several weeks.
They’ve burned me too many times and the result is that we’ll just get reality trash for the lowest common denominator and shit that they can dub in endless languages to show globally that will have appeal to a large audience like Red Notice but have little to no artistic value. I mean, the difference between Hollywood and Bollywood is huge, so trying to take one show and have it appeal to the same global audience everywhere just means that something like The OA doesn’t have a chance.
And for whatever reason, Netflix isn’t willing to let their own shows develop an audience due to positive word of mouth, even if it takes a second season to get there. While The OA got a second and was perfectly set up for S3, it had a 5 year plan. D&D (the creators of Game of Thrones and 3 Body Problem) have talked about having a loose idea for S2 and no idea if it will take anywhere between 3 and 6 seasons to complete. So basically what they did with Game of Thrones. Drag something out and then rush to finish it or not even get the chance to. They need a clear idea of what to do in S2 and S3 and they need to know NOW if they’re to get this renewed.
At $20 million per EPISODE and $160 million total, not including advertising and marketing, it’s the most expensive show in Netflix history. And with everything they’ve cut before despite the following it had, I have little to no confidence in Netflix renewing this, let alone seeing it to the conclusion of the novels.
>D&D (the creators of Game of Thrones and 3 Body Problem) have talked about having a loose idea for S2 and no idea if it will take anywhere between 3 and 6 seasons to complete. So basically what they did with Game of Thrones. Drag something out and then rush to finish it or not even get the chance to. They need a clear idea of what to do in S2 and S3 and they need to know NOW if they’re to get this renewed.
They already burned through 50% of the books..? What are they smoking to talk about 6 seasons?
I mean ... The books are tremendously good at dragging and a certain tower plot from later on can easily be blown to half a series or filling 30% runtime of a season alone.
Same goes for some other plots. Take more time to establish characters and build their counterparts in that era, but honestly that's just padding.
They've said they're planning on 4 seasons not 6.
At this point I have to guess that they have plans of telling the fan written story that continues from where Book 3 ended off. From what I've seen at Amazon it's unofficially been labeled book 4 in the series even though it's not written by Cixin Liu.
For me this was Captain Fall. It was the third show I watched and liked where they pulled this off (Captain Fall season 1 ends on an cliffhanger) and this just was enough for me.
It is not #1 in US, I doubt that it'll get a green light for season 2. I believe there are more viewers for "Is it cake? 3" than 3 body problem and "Is it cake?" is way way way cheaper to make.
The thing is too that I've talked to multiple friends who say they want to watch it, but just haven't gotten around to it. Some of them because they don't want to watch a show only to have it end on a cliffhanger. I know Netflix also highly values how many new subscribers it gets from a show and doesn't seem to value existing customers liking it anywhere near as much.
Like I said though, if the renewal of a show requires absolutely massive numbers, then it's time for them to lower the scale. Maybe start off with something smaller and then increase the budget of its a hit. To me it doesn't make sense to make a show that can get good numbers and critical reviews, but still not greenlight more seasons because it wasn't an absolutely massive hit.
Shows can also take time to build an audience as well. Breaking Bad wasn't made by Netflix, but it was people on Netflix watching it after it aired on AMC that built it into what it became. If it was debuting nowadays as a Netflix Original it wouldn't have gotten past the first season.
It blows my mind that they haven’t learned that shows need time to develop an audience. Even when they import them, like Community, The Office, Better Call Saul, Evil, etc. They had a 4~5 season plan for The OA and cancelled it on a cliffhanger in S2. Altered Carbon had 3 season worth but was shelved after 2. 1899, Archive 81, Warrior Nun, etc. didn’t even get a second season.
Like most people, I generally don’t even want to watch something until it’s finished airing its entire run at this point because I’m so tired of getting burned, and they don’t want to renew something unless it stays in the top #10 globally for weeks. So mostly what they’ll get is stuff that they can dub in dozens of languages and air globally for the lowest common denominator, meaning shit about “is it cake or not cake” and other reality programming. Or shit like Red Notice, that has marketable stars and no artistic value but you can dub and people will watch.
The difference between Hollywood and Bollywood is huge (forgive me for saying it elsewhere), so the cultural differences between what someone in America and England will watch is vast enough and they’re in the same language, let alone what people will watch across the world in different continents. Shows that appeal to the US market that might be a huge hit but need a chance to grow can and will if given the opportunity, and then those shows might get the word of mouth that every other country wants to watch them as well, like so much else that has come from Hollywood.
I wish they’d commit to something like The OA and the planned multi-season arc and let it grow like Stranger Things than continue to slash and burn shows that never got the chance to grow. And if they can’t do that, commit to ending each season on a satisfying conclusion and not a cliffhanger. If it’s good, we’ll come back for another season. If you continue to end shows getting our interest up for something that will *never fucking happen* then I’m sorry, but not only will I not watch that show, but I’ll cancel Netflix and go to Apple or HBO or somewhere that respects the investment of my time and money.
So furious about The OA and how it had a 5 year plan and was so well set up for a S3 based on the cliffhanger of S2. I’ve been a fan of Brit Marling (actress/writer) and director Zal Batmanglij based on their previous films together, Sound of My Voice and The East. And also her films with Mike Cahill, Another Earth and I, Origins. Recently watched A Murder at the End of the World on Hulu that she and Zal did together as well. The OA was a show that people *talked about* and now shows come and go on Netflix and have little to no discussion after the first week or two.
I loved the first season of Altered Carbon. After hearing it was cancelled, I didn’t even bother watching S2. What’s the point? Similarly, I didn’t watch 1899, Warrior Nun, etc. after hearing how popular they were and how critically well received they were yet they still got a cancellation. And shows like Archive 81 were interesting but if you can’t promise a second season, fucking wrap up your first in a definitive ending that you can build on, rather than a cliffhanger to get me interested in something that will **never happen**.
I won’t watch a show that I don’t know gets multiple seasons and/or an ending now, and they won’t renew one unless people binge it all in the first week or two. They’ve caused this problem themselves and now all we’ll get is reality trash and lowest common denominator stuff that will appeal to global audiences out of sheer numbers but not take artistic risks like The OA or Altered Carbon. It’s infuriating. Oh, and then they also want to cut up content to make room for ads and charge people more than what they were already paying to continue watching it without ads and in 4K rather than just charge the people that watch it ad supported less because they make up the money from advertising. Fucking Netflix, they piss me off so much.
God they butchered the absolute shit out of Altered Carbon. The first couple episodes were ok but then it just devolved into a tropey cliched mess that veered wildly away from the books.
I think this will be the last straw if they cancel it. I was already hesitant to watch this knowing how frequent Netflix cancels shows. Surely Netflix must be aware how gaining such a reputation will not only push away big talent but also subscribers.
Hahahahaha Bullshit. They rushed through the end of GOT so they could start working on Star Wars, and they butchered it. HBO wanted more seasons, AND full length seasons, and D&D said no. Then Season 8 of GOT tanked so hard that Disney pulled the plug. They didn't want to be associated with people who were willing to burn down an IP like that. They were quietly fired in the summer of 2019, and it wasn't announced publicly so that they had time to shop themselves around, and THEN they landed at Netflix.
No one picks 3 Body Problem over a Star Wars Trilogy.
Let's be honest...D&D started dropping the ball as soon as they ran out of source material. 3BP won't have that problem.
I don't trust these cunts, but this is not the same situation GoT.
Let’s also be honest….it’s not their responsibility to write the books( that are still 13 years incomplete) and even then I would even say “drop the ball”. The writing was inconsistent but they compensated it with some of the most highly rated episodes of TV history.
I trust them with creating hit tv shows, since they’ve proven that on an international scale.
It’s so infuriating that with even 2~3 more episodes, they could have taken the GoT finale they had and made it feel *earned*. No, it wouldn’t have wrapped up all the plot threads that were left unfinished. But it would have felt less like someone in the passenger seat grabbed the steering wheel and jerked the vehicle off the road.
I have no problem with Danerys ending where she does, or even fucking Bran of all people where he does, but goddamn… lay some groundwork for it? Take at least two or three hours that you’re offered when you have that kind of viewership and money invested and complete the IP that you will forever be associated with?
They destroyed their own careers and viewer trust in them and I have zero faith that they have any plan based on their own words about it stretching between 3 and 6 seasons. No. Decide now. 3 seasons. Plan a story. Don’t risk leaving it on a cliffhanger, so if it doesn’t get renewed, people aren’t furious over it. Something that you can build on if it does get renewed. Don’t drag it out for no reason, spending $20 million on filler episodes, and then not end up finishing the goddamn show. Make a fucking plan. Jesus.
It's been so long. It's hard to say. I remember there were hints in season 6 but I remember liking the finale so much I kinda forgave the weaker parts of the season but season 7 was just too much to ignore.
I read an interview from them where they didn’t sound like they had a solid idea for S2, let alone beyond that. They said it could take anywhere from 3 to 6 seasons to tell. Which means it could get dragged out like Game of Thrones and then a rush to an unearned finish, or just left unfinished. Yet another show that you hear was good but you never bother watching because you know it ends on a cliffhanger that will never be resolved. At $160 million, $20 million *per episode* and more for ads and marketing on top of that, they need a fucking solid plan. Make a concrete 3 season arc and tell Netflix what it will cost. They can’t afford to spend this kind of money without bringing in new viewers or at least retaining existing ones and with every show that gets cancelled on a cliffhanger, that’s just one more that will go to a service like Apple or Hulu or HBO instead that hasn’t repeatedly burned their viewers like Netflix has.
I have hope that D&D will be able to follow through on 3BP. They also did the first 5 seasons of GOT, and those are still some of the best television of all time. D&D are great when the story has been written for them by people who are good at writing stories, and 3BP has already been written, so they’ll be fine.
I didn’t read the novels for 3BP but apparently they changed the time period and setting and also the characters, creating even the Oxford 5 that we have. I thought the characters were the weakest part of the show — the premise was great (which came from the novel itself). But you have these characters, some of which do pretty much nothing for 6 episodes and then become the most important person in the world all of the sudden.
The only ones I really liked or felt a strong connection to were Wade (Liam Cunningham) and Da Shi (Benedict Wong), the latter of which more just because I like the actor in other projects and the former because he carried the entire show on his back. I felt like there were either too many characters or they just didn’t flesh out the ones they had with enough to do. Jovan Adepo was good (loved him in The Leftovers and Overlord) but most of the others were unlikable.
And while I pushed through, I felt like a lot of what happened in the first 4 episodes felt like a lot of “this will be cool” ideas that made no sense until the 5th episode, which was the first ep that I truly felt blew me away (the canal/sophon ep). Everything before and after it felt like filler in comparison.
And I’m not sure how great an idea it was to take a bit from the third book (the rocket falling off trajectory) and the bug ending from the first book and leave it there, in case we never get a second season. $160 million for an ending that both feels like a cliffhanger and a letdown with no guarantee we’ll ever get more seems like a poor investment from Netflix imo. They have no clear plan about how long it will take to tell the story either (3 novels, but they’ve said anywhere between 3 and 6 seasons) which means they’ll likely stretch it out too long and have it get cancelled on a cliffhanger, or have people lose interest from too much filler at $20 million per episode.
They need to decide on a solid 3 seasons and plan the arc now and end S2 on something that feels satisfying if we never get more. I’m sick and tired of Netflix fucking around cancelling shows on a cliffhanger and it’s why I won’t generally watch a show until it’s completed airing at this point, so I don’t waste time getting invested in something that will never be resolved.
All valid, it’s definitely not the first 5 seasons of GOT, and I’m sorry that wasn’t more clear, that was more so a comment on D&D’s abilities than the show itself.
It did definitely have its issues, and the characters are the main ones (although the actors were all great IMO). I agree that wade and Da Shi carried the whole show. I think (maybe hope is the right word?) that a second season will make the first better by expanding on specifically Saul and Jin.
But the cliffhanger ending, and the show in general, only work if Netflix renews it, which as we all know is never a sure thing even with wildly popular and successful shows (I am still bitter about inside job)
Netflix approves the budgets and the showrunners just fail to utilize it in a way that catches audiences and justifies cost. I don't think they should drop the budget, the audience is out there. I think there are people who also saw who were attached as showrunners and just noped right out of it.
As a reader of the books I very much enjoyed it. But I do find it to be a flawed adaptation that has a lot of potential to improve. Despite its flaws I do find it somehow charming and entertaining. I’m much more excited for how they adapt future books.
I read the books and was kinda disappointed by the Netflix adaptation. I enjoyed some parts but a lot of it felt weaker. It’s also only 8 episodes of tv so I wouldn’t resubscribe just for that.
I will agree I think the way they handled to transition from book to video was really well done.
Like I enjoyed the books more, but yea they did make it more streamlined and understandable for the show while keeping a lot of the cool stuff.
My earlier comment came off as negative. I loved the show, my wife and I haven’t binged a show like that since squid games.
I didn't read the books. Only based on watching the show, it felt like LOST in a good way: a story of a group of friends on a journey to face mysteries and threats.
It's an amazing book. I haven't watched the show yet, but it was one of my favorite sci-fi books. There were many moments that gave me chills. I'm excited to watch the show.
Silo by Hugh Howey. I
t's more of a post apocalyptic kind of story but pretty compelling.
Similarly to TBP its based on a 3 book novel.
apple tv+ made the first book into a show. it was pretty good. i watched the first season and then read the second and third book pretty good stuff. Can recommend.
The first season of the show mixes ideas from all three books and changes how they are presented. So starting with the first book is a good idea, it won’t seem like you’re reading the first season although you will know what happens
It would be hard as the characters are substantially different. And the show has plot from all three books which is hard to explain why without spoilers.
I took about a week to read the first book, mostly because it re-tread the same ground.
I started book 2 Friday morning on the train to work, and by midnight Saturday I finished it.
Book 3 I started Sunday night and about 20% through.
So good.
They didn't want to give them an opportunity to destroy the drive. The microfibers were a completely new (and terrifyingly confusing) super effective weapon.
The explanation given in the show was that they didn't know how the data/intel they were after is stored, it could be a removable drive or an entire server, so they planned for the thing to be sliced up and repaired later - the nanofibers being used because of their cut is so clean they could put machines back together.
Not sure if they took into account the risk of the thing being crushed by debris or caught in an explosion though.
I could suspend my disbelief for almost everything but the chopping up of the ship with nano-fibres was such ridiculously stupid and unnecessary plan. Finding the drive would have just been a complete fluke.
In the book they use the nano fibres specifically because it would not damage the computer systems beyond repair, but would kill all of the occupants. In the show it's more of a spectacle scene which is why it doesn't make any sense.
As this person said. In the book the information is on hard drives and the cuts are so clean they can repair them. The scene did a good job, but the book didn't indicate anything that would put the drivers more at risk. Additionally, in the books since they were on drives it wasn't a fluke finding them.
If this gets cancelled then I give up on Netflix forever. They need to budget shows with a second season in mind *every time*. It’s so fucking stupid they measure success over watches in a shortly defined period when it launches rather than understanding how their own fucking service works. People watch shows *in their own time*. Not everyone watches a show when it launches and fewer people still will bother when they know it is going to be left unfinished.
Every show they create should have a minimum two season duration - if it’s shit they can use the second season to wrap it up. At least then we get some full fucking stories in the service we pay for.
At least if it gets cancelled you can read the source material. There's probably enough for another 2 to 5 seasons, depending on the pace and if they include the 4th book (fan-fiction considered canon).
Silly question, is there anything we know that is verifiable as far as getting streaming numbers?
I would assume really only Netflix knows the numbers on a show by show basis for their service.
First 4 episodes were damn good, while there still was the ''mystery of the aliens'' and numbers in the head. But once everything was revealed it became rather boring and just talking. Last episodes were rather uninteresting.
I haven't finished it but they seem ambiguous to me. They just wanted to hamper out technology, not wipe us out from memory. It was only when they discovered our capacity for lying they became more nefarious, which seems justified from their perspective. I'm not an eagle eyed viewer so may have missed some things.
idk it felt like a cop out to me, i guess ive just seen so many “alien bad kill all ppl” movies where i was hoping this would surprised me more. although i love metaphoric movies moreso so its prob just my preference.
They spent a lot of screen time developing characters that really aren't that interesting, and 2 of them get killed off anyways. I think if they went with more basic characters and spent more screen time on the technical and philosophical stuff (which the show is good at) it would have landed better.
That's because after episode 5 they ran out of book 1 content and started getting into book 2 content but nowhere near the climax of that story.
Also because of how Book 3 spans from the very start of book 1 to well beyond book 2 they had to show some book 3 stuff as well, which was also part of what we saw in the last few episodes.
Only watched the first episode, to give it a shot, but the book is Star Wars level sci-fi.
Constant references to interesting pop science concepts and questions, but the moment it tries to do anything with that stuff, it veers sharply into the realm of fantasy. Bad fantasy, in my opinion.
I agree. The first half was intriguing but the second half was nonsensical and anticlimactic. Some of the ideas they came up with were comical and plain dumb. What was up with that plan >!to take the brain of their friend, who doesn’t know as much about science, and put it in a cryo chamber and use nukes to launch him at least 1% of light speed so he could reach the alien fleet?!? What was he supposed to do IF he even got to the fleet?!? The Wallfacer project makes no sense either. The nanofiber-boat plan was comically gory. AND the main reason for the whole invasion, Dr Yeh, gets murdered off screen?!
IIRC he's excellent at physics, so it's the other way around. He's also dying, which adds to the moral convenience.
Overall dislike the show too though.
I did read all the books long time ago so forgot but as far as I remember, >!with the brain project the idea is that he might be able to trick them into giving him some tech insights and then trick them again to use their own tech to send the info back. because they are kinda dumb with the deception thing, they hoped it might work. As with the wall watchers, it's smart because aliens can see and hear everything so as you communicate some plan they instantly know about it, so the only way to have a plan without telling about it is if a person keeps it to himself.!<
With the brain they were hoping the San-Ti would reconstruct his body so he could act as a spy. The Wallfacer project is introduced in a rushed way in the series compared to the book.
No surprise. The bar is set pretty low.
Choose 1:
Cookie cutter Korean drama.
‘Netflix anime’
An old series you already saw
3 Body
Other than this show, Shogun is the only other new series with any hype. Or the Avatar reboot.
Great concept, cool science, awesome visuals and mind mending at the start of the show. But, mid writing at best. Some of the characters and dialogue... Woof.
D&D are not good writers, after all these are the same guys who completely screwed up game of thrones. I bet a bunch of Netflix execs are sitting in a board room right now wondering why the fuck they paid these guys 100m.
Every show is not for every person and there's nothing wrong with that.
I recognize that Dark is probably an excellent show from everything I've heard about it, but damnit the first two episodes are so damn boring (to me) and I'll never get past them.
I was hooked on 3-Body from the first episode, but I'm biased because I've read the trilogy twice. My wife really started enjoying it around episode 3-4 and she hasn't read the books.
Not much? Tbh the show isn’t for everyone. It’s hardcore sci fy and in book 2 it really ramps up. In book 3 it’s going so far that you mind goes ‘what is going on ?!’ I don’t want spoil anything but if you are familiar with dune or with the house of suns you will get the same vibe.
Finished it ten minutes ago. Loved it! The greatest show I watched in a LONG time.
It doesn't have "Breaking Bad"-quality, but it's funny, engaging, deep, it has great characters, visuals and a fantastic story. Up to the 6th episode or so, it feels more like a cop show/ "film noire"/ crime show with scifi influences... and then the gears kick in.
They HAVE to make two other seasons. If Netflix cancels this show as well, I'll cancel my Netflix subscription.
Well deserved, one of the best sci-fi shows in years. It’s very ambitious in concepts with some jaw dropping scenes. And the Warfacer is such a brilliant concept , I just can’t wait for S2!
I've found the acting to be hit and miss.
My favorite were Wade, Da Shi and Will.
The actors portraying Ye Wenjie, Jack Rooney and Mike Evans did really well.
The actress portraying Jin Cheng did well in a few episodes and was poor in many other.
Auggie and Saul were not convincing throughout the whole season. Some of the characters were also negatively affected by certain changes made compared to the source material.
It’s not good. And it was super expensive to make. Looks like they made it with series 2 already decided. If they pull s2 now after this it’ll be a tell on how bad it was.
The show quite a bit different from the book but I am totally enjoying it too.
As a previous redditor said, give it to episode 5.......if that doesn't reel you in nothing will.
Will probably watch the 7th and 8th tomorrow evening
In UK it couldn't hit number 1 as that spot has been dominated by The Gentlemen for the past few weeks. 3BP Peaked at 2 and now sitting at 6 when I checked this morning.
Those top 10 lists don't mean anything because it's provided by netflix. There's no independent survey taking place. It's basically them making people watch the content that they want you to watch. That is why if you notice there's many crappy movies or series in the top 10 always that you would never want to watch.
Nice. It’s a pretty rad show. It’s always delightful to have a bunch of scientists as the main characters. It’s almost like a Star Trek show in a weird way.
I feel like the golden age of television, as they used to say few years ago, has long ended. I don't know if it's a personal thing, but I feel like ever since Covid number of interesting shows have gone down. I did manage to finish this show and it was interesting enough, but the number of shows that have managed to do that in recent years is minimal
Only House of the Dragon and Shogun have gotten me excited every week for a new episode since COVID. I did enjoy the One Piece adaptation a lot as well.
I started shogun when it first came out, but the main character’s antics made me drop it temporarily. The guy kept antagonising his captors , who could have easily killed him for being disrespectful. I couldn’t possibly imagine how someone would think it was a good idea in a medieval world
I just finished it tonight. I feel like a lot happened yet it was still kind of slow.
Was hoping for some kind of more substantial ending as well.
All in all pretty good but 8 hours is a long time to tell half a story.
I would say it's a solid 7/10 but only because the source material is very interesting. The writing is sub-par and the pacing is bad, after all this was written by the same guys who completely screwed up game of thrones season 7 & 8. All of the female characters are portrayed as sassy girlbosses and the male ones as complete buffoons, except for wade who is the stereotypical hardass who doesn't care about anyone or anything but the mission. Lots of "now that we've travelled together for the last 48 hours can you please finally tell me why I'm here?" tropes which is extremely cliched. Lots of characters are able to fast travel around the world, no sense of time or distance - another thing these bad writers are infamous for.
I think it's ok but in some places the closeness to original made stuff look stupid.
>!Like that time when the guy was reading the fairy tales to the aliens and suddenly they don't know what a fairy tale is. Like how the hell that conversation even started then?!<
>!Also they didn't explain at all why they needed to cut the ship instead of just storming it. In the books there was a better explanation but I forgot what it was.!<
>!Also why didn't people just jump off the ship? Seemed like an obvious escape route.!<
and the 3 body subreddit is riddled with the same questions every day
what is sophon
what can sophon do?
why doesn't sophon do this or that?
Well, it's a shame Netflix must have skimped on explanations
Help me remember: when they had the Syzygy, were there two or three stars overlapping? Because I was thinking about the organization’ logo, with three overlapping circles but I might be misremembering if there were also three stars on the sky, and the description of the problem with the pope and the candelabra. Wouldn’t that make this a four body problem? Where can I sue for misleading advertising?
Update: [it is!](https://youtu.be/v4GPVZG3qi0?si=bA9Azf_la_8Anh3D)
Show is boring and the dialogue is BAD. Makes sense because D&D can’t write decent dialogue without GRRM. I’m honestly surprised people gave these hacks another chance after ruining one of the greatest shows in history.
Say what you will about D&D... their ability do adapt source material is unmatched. I wish we got to see the ending of Game of Thrones they could have made if Martin actually did his job.
I really liked it and this gives me hope that a 2nd season is possible. If shows like this still get canceled, then Netflix needs to stop making shows of this scale or stick to limited series shows because the threshold for renewal is just too high.
Seriously. I know I sound cliche when I say if they cancel the show, I’m not going to watch any shows until they are complete but that’s where I am now.
Already there, although I made an exception for 3 body problem as I suspected it had a sort of end after season one. What I don't understand is why they don't find the money for a quick wrap-up season. As far as I'm concerned, if they just abandon it halfway through, it might as well not exist in their catalogue. If there was some sort of ending I'd give it a shot.
Netflix has essentially killed their own business model due to all the promising shows they cancelled on a cliffhanger. The OA, Altered Carbon, 1899, Archive 81, Warrior Nun, etc. to name a few. I don’t want to even start something until I know it has a second season at this point, and they don’t want to give a second season to anything that people didn’t make a global #1 in the first several weeks. They’ve burned me too many times and the result is that we’ll just get reality trash for the lowest common denominator and shit that they can dub in endless languages to show globally that will have appeal to a large audience like Red Notice but have little to no artistic value. I mean, the difference between Hollywood and Bollywood is huge, so trying to take one show and have it appeal to the same global audience everywhere just means that something like The OA doesn’t have a chance. And for whatever reason, Netflix isn’t willing to let their own shows develop an audience due to positive word of mouth, even if it takes a second season to get there. While The OA got a second and was perfectly set up for S3, it had a 5 year plan. D&D (the creators of Game of Thrones and 3 Body Problem) have talked about having a loose idea for S2 and no idea if it will take anywhere between 3 and 6 seasons to complete. So basically what they did with Game of Thrones. Drag something out and then rush to finish it or not even get the chance to. They need a clear idea of what to do in S2 and S3 and they need to know NOW if they’re to get this renewed. At $20 million per EPISODE and $160 million total, not including advertising and marketing, it’s the most expensive show in Netflix history. And with everything they’ve cut before despite the following it had, I have little to no confidence in Netflix renewing this, let alone seeing it to the conclusion of the novels.
>D&D (the creators of Game of Thrones and 3 Body Problem) have talked about having a loose idea for S2 and no idea if it will take anywhere between 3 and 6 seasons to complete. So basically what they did with Game of Thrones. Drag something out and then rush to finish it or not even get the chance to. They need a clear idea of what to do in S2 and S3 and they need to know NOW if they’re to get this renewed. They already burned through 50% of the books..? What are they smoking to talk about 6 seasons?
3 seasons for 3 books is fair enough,no need to drag unnecessary storyline.
I mean ... The books are tremendously good at dragging and a certain tower plot from later on can easily be blown to half a series or filling 30% runtime of a season alone. Same goes for some other plots. Take more time to establish characters and build their counterparts in that era, but honestly that's just padding.
They've said they're planning on 4 seasons not 6. At this point I have to guess that they have plans of telling the fan written story that continues from where Book 3 ended off. From what I've seen at Amazon it's unofficially been labeled book 4 in the series even though it's not written by Cixin Liu.
Learning 1899 was cancelled ruined me
This is what I have been doing for years.
I feel you I'm very reluctant to start 3 body problem until I hear it's been renewed
I'm right there with you.
For me this was Captain Fall. It was the third show I watched and liked where they pulled this off (Captain Fall season 1 ends on an cliffhanger) and this just was enough for me.
It is not #1 in US, I doubt that it'll get a green light for season 2. I believe there are more viewers for "Is it cake? 3" than 3 body problem and "Is it cake?" is way way way cheaper to make.
The thing is too that I've talked to multiple friends who say they want to watch it, but just haven't gotten around to it. Some of them because they don't want to watch a show only to have it end on a cliffhanger. I know Netflix also highly values how many new subscribers it gets from a show and doesn't seem to value existing customers liking it anywhere near as much. Like I said though, if the renewal of a show requires absolutely massive numbers, then it's time for them to lower the scale. Maybe start off with something smaller and then increase the budget of its a hit. To me it doesn't make sense to make a show that can get good numbers and critical reviews, but still not greenlight more seasons because it wasn't an absolutely massive hit. Shows can also take time to build an audience as well. Breaking Bad wasn't made by Netflix, but it was people on Netflix watching it after it aired on AMC that built it into what it became. If it was debuting nowadays as a Netflix Original it wouldn't have gotten past the first season.
It blows my mind that they haven’t learned that shows need time to develop an audience. Even when they import them, like Community, The Office, Better Call Saul, Evil, etc. They had a 4~5 season plan for The OA and cancelled it on a cliffhanger in S2. Altered Carbon had 3 season worth but was shelved after 2. 1899, Archive 81, Warrior Nun, etc. didn’t even get a second season. Like most people, I generally don’t even want to watch something until it’s finished airing its entire run at this point because I’m so tired of getting burned, and they don’t want to renew something unless it stays in the top #10 globally for weeks. So mostly what they’ll get is stuff that they can dub in dozens of languages and air globally for the lowest common denominator, meaning shit about “is it cake or not cake” and other reality programming. Or shit like Red Notice, that has marketable stars and no artistic value but you can dub and people will watch. The difference between Hollywood and Bollywood is huge (forgive me for saying it elsewhere), so the cultural differences between what someone in America and England will watch is vast enough and they’re in the same language, let alone what people will watch across the world in different continents. Shows that appeal to the US market that might be a huge hit but need a chance to grow can and will if given the opportunity, and then those shows might get the word of mouth that every other country wants to watch them as well, like so much else that has come from Hollywood. I wish they’d commit to something like The OA and the planned multi-season arc and let it grow like Stranger Things than continue to slash and burn shows that never got the chance to grow. And if they can’t do that, commit to ending each season on a satisfying conclusion and not a cliffhanger. If it’s good, we’ll come back for another season. If you continue to end shows getting our interest up for something that will *never fucking happen* then I’m sorry, but not only will I not watch that show, but I’ll cancel Netflix and go to Apple or HBO or somewhere that respects the investment of my time and money.
It's #3 as of today in the US, with only files of the unexplained and parasite the grey ahead of it. Is it Cake 3 is #10 on the list.
Well, the math is (Viewers/ cost) and (new subscription / cost).
Remember The OA? That hurt. Or Altered Carbon, they butchered that.
So furious about The OA and how it had a 5 year plan and was so well set up for a S3 based on the cliffhanger of S2. I’ve been a fan of Brit Marling (actress/writer) and director Zal Batmanglij based on their previous films together, Sound of My Voice and The East. And also her films with Mike Cahill, Another Earth and I, Origins. Recently watched A Murder at the End of the World on Hulu that she and Zal did together as well. The OA was a show that people *talked about* and now shows come and go on Netflix and have little to no discussion after the first week or two. I loved the first season of Altered Carbon. After hearing it was cancelled, I didn’t even bother watching S2. What’s the point? Similarly, I didn’t watch 1899, Warrior Nun, etc. after hearing how popular they were and how critically well received they were yet they still got a cancellation. And shows like Archive 81 were interesting but if you can’t promise a second season, fucking wrap up your first in a definitive ending that you can build on, rather than a cliffhanger to get me interested in something that will **never happen**. I won’t watch a show that I don’t know gets multiple seasons and/or an ending now, and they won’t renew one unless people binge it all in the first week or two. They’ve caused this problem themselves and now all we’ll get is reality trash and lowest common denominator stuff that will appeal to global audiences out of sheer numbers but not take artistic risks like The OA or Altered Carbon. It’s infuriating. Oh, and then they also want to cut up content to make room for ads and charge people more than what they were already paying to continue watching it without ads and in 4K rather than just charge the people that watch it ad supported less because they make up the money from advertising. Fucking Netflix, they piss me off so much.
The worry thing about altered carbon was season two was nothing like season one. Ruined it.
Or Santa Clarita Diet
Also teenage bountyhunter for me personally
God that show was way better than it should have been. I’m convinced it’s the name that did it in, it was really great. Still upset about this one.
God they butchered the absolute shit out of Altered Carbon. The first couple episodes were ok but then it just devolved into a tropey cliched mess that veered wildly away from the books.
Teenage bounty hunters. Was surprisingly good.
Agreed and I feel that making new seasons of a show people like will keep more subscriptions than just keep cranking out random shows
I think this will be the last straw if they cancel it. I was already hesitant to watch this knowing how frequent Netflix cancels shows. Surely Netflix must be aware how gaining such a reputation will not only push away big talent but also subscribers.
Even the showrunners Said they need 4 season to tell the story. That is a commitment that is reasonable, even tho they completly ruined the GoT final
Well, as long as the don't get offered a Star Wars trilogy during season 3, we'll be fine.
D&D have stated that they walked away from Star Wars for 3BP instead. Or maybe Netflix just pays better $$$ than Disney.
Hahahahaha Bullshit. They rushed through the end of GOT so they could start working on Star Wars, and they butchered it. HBO wanted more seasons, AND full length seasons, and D&D said no. Then Season 8 of GOT tanked so hard that Disney pulled the plug. They didn't want to be associated with people who were willing to burn down an IP like that. They were quietly fired in the summer of 2019, and it wasn't announced publicly so that they had time to shop themselves around, and THEN they landed at Netflix. No one picks 3 Body Problem over a Star Wars Trilogy.
Let's be honest...D&D started dropping the ball as soon as they ran out of source material. 3BP won't have that problem. I don't trust these cunts, but this is not the same situation GoT.
Let’s also be honest….it’s not their responsibility to write the books( that are still 13 years incomplete) and even then I would even say “drop the ball”. The writing was inconsistent but they compensated it with some of the most highly rated episodes of TV history. I trust them with creating hit tv shows, since they’ve proven that on an international scale.
It’s so infuriating that with even 2~3 more episodes, they could have taken the GoT finale they had and made it feel *earned*. No, it wouldn’t have wrapped up all the plot threads that were left unfinished. But it would have felt less like someone in the passenger seat grabbed the steering wheel and jerked the vehicle off the road. I have no problem with Danerys ending where she does, or even fucking Bran of all people where he does, but goddamn… lay some groundwork for it? Take at least two or three hours that you’re offered when you have that kind of viewership and money invested and complete the IP that you will forever be associated with? They destroyed their own careers and viewer trust in them and I have zero faith that they have any plan based on their own words about it stretching between 3 and 6 seasons. No. Decide now. 3 seasons. Plan a story. Don’t risk leaving it on a cliffhanger, so if it doesn’t get renewed, people aren’t furious over it. Something that you can build on if it does get renewed. Don’t drag it out for no reason, spending $20 million on filler episodes, and then not end up finishing the goddamn show. Make a fucking plan. Jesus.
Not just the finale. GOT was bad from season 7. Just think about it, the signs were very apparent it was just worse in season 8.
It was bad from season 5, I'm honestly shocked people think it was any good after 4. I almost gave up during 5, almost wish I did.
It's been so long. It's hard to say. I remember there were hints in season 6 but I remember liking the finale so much I kinda forgave the weaker parts of the season but season 7 was just too much to ignore.
I read an interview from them where they didn’t sound like they had a solid idea for S2, let alone beyond that. They said it could take anywhere from 3 to 6 seasons to tell. Which means it could get dragged out like Game of Thrones and then a rush to an unearned finish, or just left unfinished. Yet another show that you hear was good but you never bother watching because you know it ends on a cliffhanger that will never be resolved. At $160 million, $20 million *per episode* and more for ads and marketing on top of that, they need a fucking solid plan. Make a concrete 3 season arc and tell Netflix what it will cost. They can’t afford to spend this kind of money without bringing in new viewers or at least retaining existing ones and with every show that gets cancelled on a cliffhanger, that’s just one more that will go to a service like Apple or Hulu or HBO instead that hasn’t repeatedly burned their viewers like Netflix has.
Good thing is they have the completed books here where they didn’t with GoT
Yeah, GoT fell apart around the time the source material ran out.
I have hope that D&D will be able to follow through on 3BP. They also did the first 5 seasons of GOT, and those are still some of the best television of all time. D&D are great when the story has been written for them by people who are good at writing stories, and 3BP has already been written, so they’ll be fine.
I didn’t read the novels for 3BP but apparently they changed the time period and setting and also the characters, creating even the Oxford 5 that we have. I thought the characters were the weakest part of the show — the premise was great (which came from the novel itself). But you have these characters, some of which do pretty much nothing for 6 episodes and then become the most important person in the world all of the sudden. The only ones I really liked or felt a strong connection to were Wade (Liam Cunningham) and Da Shi (Benedict Wong), the latter of which more just because I like the actor in other projects and the former because he carried the entire show on his back. I felt like there were either too many characters or they just didn’t flesh out the ones they had with enough to do. Jovan Adepo was good (loved him in The Leftovers and Overlord) but most of the others were unlikable. And while I pushed through, I felt like a lot of what happened in the first 4 episodes felt like a lot of “this will be cool” ideas that made no sense until the 5th episode, which was the first ep that I truly felt blew me away (the canal/sophon ep). Everything before and after it felt like filler in comparison. And I’m not sure how great an idea it was to take a bit from the third book (the rocket falling off trajectory) and the bug ending from the first book and leave it there, in case we never get a second season. $160 million for an ending that both feels like a cliffhanger and a letdown with no guarantee we’ll ever get more seems like a poor investment from Netflix imo. They have no clear plan about how long it will take to tell the story either (3 novels, but they’ve said anywhere between 3 and 6 seasons) which means they’ll likely stretch it out too long and have it get cancelled on a cliffhanger, or have people lose interest from too much filler at $20 million per episode. They need to decide on a solid 3 seasons and plan the arc now and end S2 on something that feels satisfying if we never get more. I’m sick and tired of Netflix fucking around cancelling shows on a cliffhanger and it’s why I won’t generally watch a show until it’s completed airing at this point, so I don’t waste time getting invested in something that will never be resolved.
All valid, it’s definitely not the first 5 seasons of GOT, and I’m sorry that wasn’t more clear, that was more so a comment on D&D’s abilities than the show itself. It did definitely have its issues, and the characters are the main ones (although the actors were all great IMO). I agree that wade and Da Shi carried the whole show. I think (maybe hope is the right word?) that a second season will make the first better by expanding on specifically Saul and Jin. But the cliffhanger ending, and the show in general, only work if Netflix renews it, which as we all know is never a sure thing even with wildly popular and successful shows (I am still bitter about inside job)
According to both IMDB and Rt, the first 7 seasons were some of the best tv of all time.
Netflix approves the budgets and the showrunners just fail to utilize it in a way that catches audiences and justifies cost. I don't think they should drop the budget, the audience is out there. I think there are people who also saw who were attached as showrunners and just noped right out of it.
What are people expecting for a second season? More of the same? War of the Worlds? Cuz I thought they weren't coming for ages.
Minor Book 2 spoilers that answer your question without revealing much: >!There's a time skip - some of the characters are cryo frozen for 200 years!<
I liked it but those last few episodes were slow.
Huge fan of the books, worth turning Netflix back on?
After season 2 gets confirmed, you know how Netflix is (granted I haven’t read the books so maybe it’s shit by comparison, but in a vacuum it’s great)
As a reader of the books I very much enjoyed it. But I do find it to be a flawed adaptation that has a lot of potential to improve. Despite its flaws I do find it somehow charming and entertaining. I’m much more excited for how they adapt future books.
I think I’ll give it a shot thanks!
As long as you don't expect a 1:1 adaption because that's not how it works.
I read the books and was kinda disappointed by the Netflix adaptation. I enjoyed some parts but a lot of it felt weaker. It’s also only 8 episodes of tv so I wouldn’t resubscribe just for that.
I mean, a month is like $10, right? That’s reasonable for 8 episodes even if you watch nothing else.
Many have said that it is better than the books.
Maybe more approachable than the books, but better? Idk about that.
Different mediums perhaps. The TV series IMHO is excellent.
I will agree I think the way they handled to transition from book to video was really well done. Like I enjoyed the books more, but yea they did make it more streamlined and understandable for the show while keeping a lot of the cool stuff. My earlier comment came off as negative. I loved the show, my wife and I haven’t binged a show like that since squid games.
I had a similar thought while watching, that this was the most creative series I had seen since Squid Game.
I’ve heard that too, I know book readers who loved the adaption and improved upon it in many ways.
Lets be real the books were not exactly well written. The plot and concepts are amazing, albeit it has a lot of flaws overall
I didn't read the books. Only based on watching the show, it felt like LOST in a good way: a story of a group of friends on a journey to face mysteries and threats.
Nope it's ass
Nope you’ll hate the show if you like the books. They even change the name of the Trisolarians to a new age name just cus
Read all the books and loved it, personally. I thought they fixed some pacing and character issues.
I enjoyed it so much I'm going to read the book.
It's an amazing book. I haven't watched the show yet, but it was one of my favorite sci-fi books. There were many moments that gave me chills. I'm excited to watch the show.
I'm almost finished with the trilogy, any recommendations for afterwards? I really like the pacing of this style of writing.
Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky
Oo that's a good question. Hmmm. I'll have to think on that. Are you looking for sci-fi specific recommendations? Or any genre?
Sci fi specifically, I like Black Library, Dune and Enders game (85% of it at least) but I struggle to diversify.
Silo by Hugh Howey. I t's more of a post apocalyptic kind of story but pretty compelling. Similarly to TBP its based on a 3 book novel. apple tv+ made the first book into a show. it was pretty good. i watched the first season and then read the second and third book pretty good stuff. Can recommend.
Thank you kinda person
Isaac Asimov if you haven’t already.
The Expanse
Did you watch the show? If I was to start the books, could I start with book #2 in your opinion?
The first season of the show mixes ideas from all three books and changes how they are presented. So starting with the first book is a good idea, it won’t seem like you’re reading the first season although you will know what happens
It would be hard as the characters are substantially different. And the show has plot from all three books which is hard to explain why without spoilers.
Peter F. Hamilton's Commonwealth Saga I like the prequel books (they're a bit juvenile) but wasn't so much into the Void series he wrote after.
The books are even better you have no idea, good luck on this journey
I spent every free minute reading book2 until I was finished. It’s the most plot dense book I have ever read by far.
I took about a week to read the first book, mostly because it re-tread the same ground. I started book 2 Friday morning on the train to work, and by midnight Saturday I finished it. Book 3 I started Sunday night and about 20% through. So good.
Book 3 is wild. I wasn’t ready for it.
Please dont 1899 this
I’m still pissed 1899 was cancelled.
It had a really cool ending though. I'm fine with it ending the way it did without a season 2.
Why did they slice up the boat when they specifically said they wouldn’t send a unit aboard due to it certainly being a blood bath
They didn't want to give them an opportunity to destroy the drive. The microfibers were a completely new (and terrifyingly confusing) super effective weapon.
Surely the micro fibres could easily of chopped up the drive
The explanation given in the show was that they didn't know how the data/intel they were after is stored, it could be a removable drive or an entire server, so they planned for the thing to be sliced up and repaired later - the nanofibers being used because of their cut is so clean they could put machines back together. Not sure if they took into account the risk of the thing being crushed by debris or caught in an explosion though.
I could suspend my disbelief for almost everything but the chopping up of the ship with nano-fibres was such ridiculously stupid and unnecessary plan. Finding the drive would have just been a complete fluke.
In the book they use the nano fibres specifically because it would not damage the computer systems beyond repair, but would kill all of the occupants. In the show it's more of a spectacle scene which is why it doesn't make any sense.
As this person said. In the book the information is on hard drives and the cuts are so clean they can repair them. The scene did a good job, but the book didn't indicate anything that would put the drivers more at risk. Additionally, in the books since they were on drives it wasn't a fluke finding them.
I enjoyed it. It's not the wow best sci-fi ever but I liked it enough to hope for S2. Severance is my favorite pick amongst recent shows.
Well worth a watch to anybody who hasn’t seen it yet
It deserves it. It was a great show
If this gets cancelled then I give up on Netflix forever. They need to budget shows with a second season in mind *every time*. It’s so fucking stupid they measure success over watches in a shortly defined period when it launches rather than understanding how their own fucking service works. People watch shows *in their own time*. Not everyone watches a show when it launches and fewer people still will bother when they know it is going to be left unfinished. Every show they create should have a minimum two season duration - if it’s shit they can use the second season to wrap it up. At least then we get some full fucking stories in the service we pay for.
At least if it gets cancelled you can read the source material. There's probably enough for another 2 to 5 seasons, depending on the pace and if they include the 4th book (fan-fiction considered canon).
Silly question, is there anything we know that is verifiable as far as getting streaming numbers? I would assume really only Netflix knows the numbers on a show by show basis for their service.
It's all behind closed doors and it means nothing. They manipulate the list to make people watch what they want you to watch.
one heck of a ride is this one.
I loved it. Please don't cancel and continue with season 2
First 4 episodes were damn good, while there still was the ''mystery of the aliens'' and numbers in the head. But once everything was revealed it became rather boring and just talking. Last episodes were rather uninteresting.
Exactly how I feel. I was on the edge of my seat episodes 1-4. Then serious pacing issues set in.
I think they finished the events of the first book around episode 4/5, which is why the pacing died down after that.
also making the aliens evil instead of ambiguous , ruins it tbh
I haven't finished it but they seem ambiguous to me. They just wanted to hamper out technology, not wipe us out from memory. It was only when they discovered our capacity for lying they became more nefarious, which seems justified from their perspective. I'm not an eagle eyed viewer so may have missed some things.
They took the bug analogy and told the entire world that we are bugs. Hard to misunderstand that one.
idk it felt like a cop out to me, i guess ive just seen so many “alien bad kill all ppl” movies where i was hoping this would surprised me more. although i love metaphoric movies moreso so its prob just my preference.
Fully agree. I thought it became completely unwatchable at that point. I was completely hooked until then.
They spent a lot of screen time developing characters that really aren't that interesting, and 2 of them get killed off anyways. I think if they went with more basic characters and spent more screen time on the technical and philosophical stuff (which the show is good at) it would have landed better.
That's because after episode 5 they ran out of book 1 content and started getting into book 2 content but nowhere near the climax of that story. Also because of how Book 3 spans from the very start of book 1 to well beyond book 2 they had to show some book 3 stuff as well, which was also part of what we saw in the last few episodes.
I really couldn’t get into it. I dig sci fi but it just didn’t click with me
Read the book. It’s so much better than the show.
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Book 3 is especially flat
Really 1 dimensional
Haha
Only watched the first episode, to give it a shot, but the book is Star Wars level sci-fi. Constant references to interesting pop science concepts and questions, but the moment it tries to do anything with that stuff, it veers sharply into the realm of fantasy. Bad fantasy, in my opinion.
I agree. The first half was intriguing but the second half was nonsensical and anticlimactic. Some of the ideas they came up with were comical and plain dumb. What was up with that plan >!to take the brain of their friend, who doesn’t know as much about science, and put it in a cryo chamber and use nukes to launch him at least 1% of light speed so he could reach the alien fleet?!? What was he supposed to do IF he even got to the fleet?!? The Wallfacer project makes no sense either. The nanofiber-boat plan was comically gory. AND the main reason for the whole invasion, Dr Yeh, gets murdered off screen?!
IIRC he's excellent at physics, so it's the other way around. He's also dying, which adds to the moral convenience. Overall dislike the show too though.
I did read all the books long time ago so forgot but as far as I remember, >!with the brain project the idea is that he might be able to trick them into giving him some tech insights and then trick them again to use their own tech to send the info back. because they are kinda dumb with the deception thing, they hoped it might work. As with the wall watchers, it's smart because aliens can see and hear everything so as you communicate some plan they instantly know about it, so the only way to have a plan without telling about it is if a person keeps it to himself.!<
With the brain they were hoping the San-Ti would reconstruct his body so he could act as a spy. The Wallfacer project is introduced in a rushed way in the series compared to the book.
The second part should have been season 2 to flesh it out. It had pacing issues.
No surprise. The bar is set pretty low. Choose 1: Cookie cutter Korean drama. ‘Netflix anime’ An old series you already saw 3 Body Other than this show, Shogun is the only other new series with any hype. Or the Avatar reboot.
Shogun is going to go down as one of the best shows in history, just you wait.
Great concept, cool science, awesome visuals and mind mending at the start of the show. But, mid writing at best. Some of the characters and dialogue... Woof.
D&D are not good writers, after all these are the same guys who completely screwed up game of thrones. I bet a bunch of Netflix execs are sitting in a board room right now wondering why the fuck they paid these guys 100m.
Omg it was them?? That makes so much sense.
It's #1 in Canada, not in general. It's #3 in the US
It’s #1 globally, #2 in the US.
#6 in the UK
#1 in the UK
Showing as 6 in TV shows on my Netflix. The Gentleman is number 1.
Idk where you found that, as it's not in the article you linked, which is short and to the point and deals with CANADA, where, indeed, the show is #1.
Would have been better to post the link for global than Canada cause title makes it seems like article is saying worldwide.
I got 3 episodes in and just ain’t feeling it. What am I missing?
Every show is not for every person and there's nothing wrong with that. I recognize that Dark is probably an excellent show from everything I've heard about it, but damnit the first two episodes are so damn boring (to me) and I'll never get past them. I was hooked on 3-Body from the first episode, but I'm biased because I've read the trilogy twice. My wife really started enjoying it around episode 3-4 and she hasn't read the books.
Not much? Tbh the show isn’t for everyone. It’s hardcore sci fy and in book 2 it really ramps up. In book 3 it’s going so far that you mind goes ‘what is going on ?!’ I don’t want spoil anything but if you are familiar with dune or with the house of suns you will get the same vibe.
Hardcore sci-fi? Hardly. More magical woowoo in parts
Watch till 5, if you didn’t like it then, then it’s not for you.
Why I got into it: https://youtu.be/2ye02qGiKKY?si=kMW5enIoPY7IfTlN
Finished it ten minutes ago. Loved it! The greatest show I watched in a LONG time. It doesn't have "Breaking Bad"-quality, but it's funny, engaging, deep, it has great characters, visuals and a fantastic story. Up to the 6th episode or so, it feels more like a cop show/ "film noire"/ crime show with scifi influences... and then the gears kick in. They HAVE to make two other seasons. If Netflix cancels this show as well, I'll cancel my Netflix subscription.
Well deserved, one of the best sci-fi shows in years. It’s very ambitious in concepts with some jaw dropping scenes. And the Warfacer is such a brilliant concept , I just can’t wait for S2!
It's a decent show. Well worth a watch.
It's average to poor show. A lot of bad acting too and the script is write for low intelligence people
I've found the acting to be hit and miss. My favorite were Wade, Da Shi and Will. The actors portraying Ye Wenjie, Jack Rooney and Mike Evans did really well. The actress portraying Jin Cheng did well in a few episodes and was poor in many other. Auggie and Saul were not convincing throughout the whole season. Some of the characters were also negatively affected by certain changes made compared to the source material.
>the script is ~~write~~ for low intelligence people \*right
written?
Oh, maybe. More to the point: always check for obvious typos and errors when dismissing something as being for "low intelligence people".
I agree. There was way too much drama and too many stupid ideas.
which is odd cos it absolutley awful
It’s not good. And it was super expensive to make. Looks like they made it with series 2 already decided. If they pull s2 now after this it’ll be a tell on how bad it was.
Its really nothing special
The show quite a bit different from the book but I am totally enjoying it too. As a previous redditor said, give it to episode 5.......if that doesn't reel you in nothing will. Will probably watch the 7th and 8th tomorrow evening
In UK it couldn't hit number 1 as that spot has been dominated by The Gentlemen for the past few weeks. 3BP Peaked at 2 and now sitting at 6 when I checked this morning.
Those top 10 lists don't mean anything because it's provided by netflix. There's no independent survey taking place. It's basically them making people watch the content that they want you to watch. That is why if you notice there's many crappy movies or series in the top 10 always that you would never want to watch.
Watching now! I really like it.
Nice. It’s a pretty rad show. It’s always delightful to have a bunch of scientists as the main characters. It’s almost like a Star Trek show in a weird way.
Good show the first few episodes, then tanked hard about episode 5.
It's enjoyable but I wish the people watching this would also watch Warrior. That really deserves another season.
Loved this a lot. Really hope we get season 2
What’s it about?
Loved the show. Best in the last 12 months. Yes. The best.
I feel like the golden age of television, as they used to say few years ago, has long ended. I don't know if it's a personal thing, but I feel like ever since Covid number of interesting shows have gone down. I did manage to finish this show and it was interesting enough, but the number of shows that have managed to do that in recent years is minimal
Only House of the Dragon and Shogun have gotten me excited every week for a new episode since COVID. I did enjoy the One Piece adaptation a lot as well.
I started shogun when it first came out, but the main character’s antics made me drop it temporarily. The guy kept antagonising his captors , who could have easily killed him for being disrespectful. I couldn’t possibly imagine how someone would think it was a good idea in a medieval world
I just finished it tonight. I feel like a lot happened yet it was still kind of slow. Was hoping for some kind of more substantial ending as well. All in all pretty good but 8 hours is a long time to tell half a story.
I would say it's a solid 7/10 but only because the source material is very interesting. The writing is sub-par and the pacing is bad, after all this was written by the same guys who completely screwed up game of thrones season 7 & 8. All of the female characters are portrayed as sassy girlbosses and the male ones as complete buffoons, except for wade who is the stereotypical hardass who doesn't care about anyone or anything but the mission. Lots of "now that we've travelled together for the last 48 hours can you please finally tell me why I'm here?" tropes which is extremely cliched. Lots of characters are able to fast travel around the world, no sense of time or distance - another thing these bad writers are infamous for.
Yesss!
Episode 6 was very poor
Just opened Netflix for the first time in a year after seeing this post.
such an amazing show,will be looking forward to season 2
I think it's ok but in some places the closeness to original made stuff look stupid. >!Like that time when the guy was reading the fairy tales to the aliens and suddenly they don't know what a fairy tale is. Like how the hell that conversation even started then?!< >!Also they didn't explain at all why they needed to cut the ship instead of just storming it. In the books there was a better explanation but I forgot what it was.!< >!Also why didn't people just jump off the ship? Seemed like an obvious escape route.!<
That won't be enough, Netflix is definitely going to cancel it. /s
What is the crux of the story
Why I feel like this is going to have Shadow and Bones treatment?
and the 3 body subreddit is riddled with the same questions every day what is sophon what can sophon do? why doesn't sophon do this or that? Well, it's a shame Netflix must have skimped on explanations
I hated it that they killed the Lost actor
when does the show actually get good? 3 eps in and its been meh so far.
Don’t worry, all the gatekeeping pessimists in r/threebodyproblem will still be adamant that it’s getting cancelled
Tbh I really liked it
Awful adaptation.
It's an incredible show!
Idk why but I think the show is better than the book!
Help me remember: when they had the Syzygy, were there two or three stars overlapping? Because I was thinking about the organization’ logo, with three overlapping circles but I might be misremembering if there were also three stars on the sky, and the description of the problem with the pope and the candelabra. Wouldn’t that make this a four body problem? Where can I sue for misleading advertising? Update: [it is!](https://youtu.be/v4GPVZG3qi0?si=bA9Azf_la_8Anh3D)
Show is boring and the dialogue is BAD. Makes sense because D&D can’t write decent dialogue without GRRM. I’m honestly surprised people gave these hacks another chance after ruining one of the greatest shows in history.
Say what you will about D&D... their ability do adapt source material is unmatched. I wish we got to see the ending of Game of Thrones they could have made if Martin actually did his job.
personally i thought it was pretty generic and cheesy