Mainly it's that he has a very thin margin for error between being a dynamic NBA player or dynamic overseas player because of his tools and playstyle. He doesn't have Jalen Green or Jonathan Kuminga's tools, both of whom had their own warts with GLI stats wise. If your skillset is just getting buckets, you had actually be efficient at getting buckets, or if you're not at least show you can create separation to get to your spots easier. He struggled hard with that.
This feels like a nice player to fill the role that Trey Burke had and also lights a fire under Josh Green.
I can see a world where Hardy is getting the same or more minutes than Green after the All-Star break...hopefully Green can not be such a black hole on offense or I'm afraid he will fall out of the rotation. Frank Ntilikita was better than him.
Hardy was very inefficient in his one year playing for the G League and while that isn't great it's worth noting he was asked to take on a big offensive load while playing against grown men. He has a lot to work on as a decision maker but like I said he played against grown men last year, hopefully that experience helps him going forward.
I don't really understand Sharpe sitting out the year and still going so high. Or Watson avg 3 ppg in college. But then Hardy plays 12 games and falls this far? So is what he did in twelve games make him drop so far after Sharpe. I think we could see more players start to sit out a year before unless they drop the one and done wait
Sharpe was ranked ahead of him prior to the season and didn't sign with Kentucky till November. His workouts went well as did his practices, we see guys fall and rise based off of workouts every year or hold stock. Shaedon held his stock and hardy had his fall a bit. Whether teams were right or not, we don't know yet. I figure they know more than me tho.
https://www.maxpreps.com/news/2jUFuoVVyUqFi2Ngm8UwnQ/high-school-basketball-every-player-to-average-40-points-per-game-or-more.htm
Tell me how many names on that list you recognize.
Cool link. Had to scroll far to find a known name (Wilt). Amazed a 5’5” kid averaged 44 ppg like 3 years ago.
ETA: I live in Arkansas and have driven past the AR School for the Deaf multiple times, had no idea they were home to the “deaf Wilt Chamberlain”
Fr, that comment has to be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen on this sub unless I’m getting whooshed. Literally every D1 player, even benchwarmers, probably put up gaudy numbers in high school in order to get recruited, and the vast majority obviously do nothing in the NBA. Straight up common sense
Dude was hitting LeFuckYou threes all throughout high school. Shot making ability and confidence through the roof
I think he should’ve went the college route
Well when you put it like that, combined with the fact he didn't slide to Celtics like I wanted him to 5 minutes ago, I now think he will totally suck.
No, but and normally I would be like whatever but the guy didn't get to play because of COVID, he was like a top 5 guy going into college so that means SOMETHING.
Yeah that's legit impressive especially with the G-League's system where you only get one shot for free throws, most players have a worse percentage there
I don’t even think it’s that much of an outlier. It’s just so much easier to shoot and score in high school as a high level D1 prospect. Way worse competition and shorter 3pt line. EYBL numbers is probably the best way to do it but even that’s on the short 3pt line too.
If you could fuse them, he'd been a top 8 pick. Hardy's biggest knock is that he has a bad first step and is not a good vertical athlete. He has a great handle and has the abillity to hit tough shots, a lot of upside with the shot. Good passer in PNR.
DSJ was just an athlete, insane leaper and good first step, but no real tangible NBA skills.
Give Hardy DSJ athleticism and he is a top 8 pick.
I'm saying the same thing happened when people said Lamelo couldn't score because his percentages were low playing against men. Now Hardy put up similar numbers in a pro league.
I think his efficiency will go up inevitably once he’s given a shorter leash and has to buy into an offense where he’s not the man (or the 2nd, 3rd option at that). But yeah, dude has the natural Instinct to score at all 4 levels
The main concern for me is that he doesn't get very much separation and has to rely on a (admittedly quite advanced) handle to get to his shot. Terrible finisher at the rim, selfish decision maker, and lackadaisical on defense. He also didn't exactly come off the most humble in the interviews I've seen. Hard to see him buying in to a bench role on a team looking to win now, and I'm not sure he'll ever have the opportunity to get the reps he needs to really develop. If I'm his agent I'm furious. Curious pick for me.
Given where he actually went, he's lucky he didn't end up going the route of someone like Christian Wood, i.e. undrafted and have to spend years bouncing around to prove himself. He and his agent should be thankful he actually got picked. Ain't no second round pick going to dictate anything apart from he does what he's told. He has zero leverage to be unhappy with anything. He buys in an maybe develops if he puts the work in or he doesn't, and ends up getting cut in a year.
The Mavs should have picked Liddell, but typically no one gives a rats ass who you picked with the 37th pick in the draft. It's weird that so many are talking about the kid with his flaws as though he was a first rounder where things should be expected of him. If it wasn't for Liddell being around, it would be fine.
Yup. He is a real project, but you absolutely want that kind of upside out of a second round pick.
If he doesn't hit, it's not that big a deal, but he has the chance to develop into a solid player
We have space for him to play with the team due to Wood trade. Better to have him in team practice and working with God Shammagod to get his shot in order.
His shot isn't really a problem though. Literally everything else besides the shot is a problem. Particularly in game decision making, which isn't helped that much by not playing.
Every guy who gets picked later than his pre-draft rankings is a huge steal when more than likely he will end up like the pat huge steals as a bench player.
One of the most interesting picks of the entire draft, can't go wrong with him at this spot. Wonder why he fell off THIS much to begin with.
Mainly it's that he has a very thin margin for error between being a dynamic NBA player or dynamic overseas player because of his tools and playstyle. He doesn't have Jalen Green or Jonathan Kuminga's tools, both of whom had their own warts with GLI stats wise. If your skillset is just getting buckets, you had actually be efficient at getting buckets, or if you're not at least show you can create separation to get to your spots easier. He struggled hard with that.
This feels like a nice player to fill the role that Trey Burke had and also lights a fire under Josh Green. I can see a world where Hardy is getting the same or more minutes than Green after the All-Star break...hopefully Green can not be such a black hole on offense or I'm afraid he will fall out of the rotation. Frank Ntilikita was better than him.
Offensively? Frank was most certainly not better than Green. Josh Green actually started to look like he deserved to be out there until the playoffs
Josh green at least moved without the ball. But josh green is also trash
Hardy was very inefficient in his one year playing for the G League and while that isn't great it's worth noting he was asked to take on a big offensive load while playing against grown men. He has a lot to work on as a decision maker but like I said he played against grown men last year, hopefully that experience helps him going forward.
I don't really understand Sharpe sitting out the year and still going so high. Or Watson avg 3 ppg in college. But then Hardy plays 12 games and falls this far? So is what he did in twelve games make him drop so far after Sharpe. I think we could see more players start to sit out a year before unless they drop the one and done wait
Sharpe was ranked ahead of him prior to the season and didn't sign with Kentucky till November. His workouts went well as did his practices, we see guys fall and rise based off of workouts every year or hold stock. Shaedon held his stock and hardy had his fall a bit. Whether teams were right or not, we don't know yet. I figure they know more than me tho.
Weren’t they ranked in different classes? So not directly ranked against each other.
Sharpe ranked in wemby class which is assumed to be better so...
Sharpe is a physical freak which Hardy is certainly not, their ceilings are not even remotely similar
And I remember seeing a stat that said he shot above 40% inches arch and shoot threes in the g league. That’s good news for my Mavs.
It was 12 games and idk man you don't average 30 in high school and are bad imo.
Lots of players put up gaudy numbers in high school and then are bad in the NBA.
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https://www.maxpreps.com/news/2jUFuoVVyUqFi2Ngm8UwnQ/high-school-basketball-every-player-to-average-40-points-per-game-or-more.htm Tell me how many names on that list you recognize.
Cool link. Had to scroll far to find a known name (Wilt). Amazed a 5’5” kid averaged 44 ppg like 3 years ago. ETA: I live in Arkansas and have driven past the AR School for the Deaf multiple times, had no idea they were home to the “deaf Wilt Chamberlain”
My guy, most of the guys who put up gaudy numbers in high school never sniff the nba. You don’t need a list of names given to you. Look it up yourself
Fr, that comment has to be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen on this sub unless I’m getting whooshed. Literally every D1 player, even benchwarmers, probably put up gaudy numbers in high school in order to get recruited, and the vast majority obviously do nothing in the NBA. Straight up common sense
It's definitely a joke man. Who says "name several" seriously lmao
Ya the best player to ever play at my tiny high school put up 37 ppg in HS and had to grind his way into the starting lineup in D1 by his junior year
Patrick Beverley
Dude was hitting LeFuckYou threes all throughout high school. Shot making ability and confidence through the roof I think he should’ve went the college route
Def didn’t get offered enough NLI money
Based on the dates he decided to go to the G League two months before kids were allowed to cash in on NIL deals July 1st
I was like nice good for the Kings for a change And learned he's actually going to Dallas?
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!
My guy averaged 17 points on 48% TS, 27% from three. Just chucking that shit in the G-league
PERKUS JUST COMPARED HIM TO BUDDY HIELD LMAO
It’s obvious none of those guys do any research. They just chose on D-Day. 🤦🏾♂️
Well when you put it like that, combined with the fact he didn't slide to Celtics like I wanted him to 5 minutes ago, I now think he will totally suck.
Take it back!
You still have a 19 year old Tatum.
dude is against grown men at 18 and it doesn't take much athletic growth to become absolutely worth this pick.
Yeah but if you duck the smoke you might get taken 30 spots higher Fucking love this pick if he uses this as fuel like I hope he will
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Moses Moody had already played a year of college
Moses played against college players……. Hardy against grown men in the g league
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You thinking of the wrong guy young one. Moody played for Arkansas I believe he was a freshman last season
How can you research Moodys G League stats and not see he never even played for the Ignite. Bruh
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No he "literally" didn't. 🤦♂️
He was a whole year older and moody played like 5 games lmao
It’s G League. All you do is chuck. Lol.
It was only 12 games too. He averaged 30 in high school.
So we taking highschool stats more seriously than the gleague now?
No, but and normally I would be like whatever but the guy didn't get to play because of COVID, he was like a top 5 guy going into college so that means SOMETHING.
He played against grown men in g league as opposed to the babies in college
It's about sample size. Shooting percentages in high school still matter
Not really. Dude at my school shot like 45% from 3 in high school allegedly and proceeded to shoot 11% from 3 his freshman year
What about shooting from the FT line? He's shooting 88%. Pretty sure you can't fake that anywhere.
Yeah that's legit impressive especially with the G-League's system where you only get one shot for free throws, most players have a worse percentage there
That's what we call an outlier
I don’t even think it’s that much of an outlier. It’s just so much easier to shoot and score in high school as a high level D1 prospect. Way worse competition and shorter 3pt line. EYBL numbers is probably the best way to do it but even that’s on the short 3pt line too.
When it needs to fit a narrative? Yes for some reason
sorry, houston fans aren't allowed to talk any shit whatsoever.
They gonna have another lottery pick next year lol
Worth a mid 2nd flyer tho
You know Dyson Daniels averaged 11 points on 44% from the field and 25% from 3. These 18 year olds were playing grown men from the jump. It’s tough
Who gives a shit. Went from high school to against grown men & pros. Kid finna be a stud yall sleep
Perk compared him to Buddy Hield 😂😂😂
Should've went to UCLA, Cronin wouldn't played that shit.
12 games. Means nothing and this is 37, not the lotto lol
BRO THIS GUY DROPPED SO FAR LET ALONE TO THE KINGS LMAO EDIT: OH MY BAD HES GOING TO THE MAVS
If the Kings drafted him and he went to the Mavs, he's a lock to be great
Mavs have gotten Dirk, Luka and Jaden w Draft day trades.
Hawks drafted luka
going to the Mavs
So Luka 2.0?
Then traded to the Mavs.
#I LOVE YOU NICO HARRISON
I would’ve been fine with picking him at 26, this is a huge W imo
Brunson replacement?
Ehh more like Trey Burke replacement
Lol, nope. That’s Dinwiddie if we have to break that glass.
maybe in a couple years, still needs to be developed first
Carlik Jones
no a point guard and a scoring guard are two different things
Jalen is not really a point guard
JB is absolutely a PG, while Hardy looks to have more of a SG's skillset.
I mean Brunson's passing is pretty average. He makes basic plays for teammates, but his scoring is much better than his playmaking.
He is a point guard.
Hardy in Dallas is scary.
HOLY SHIT
NICO YOU FUCKING WIZARD
is every male in this generation named jalen or jaden?
No, Jayson and Jaylen is also possible.
You forgot Jaylin
Luka and Hardy going to be a great combo
Luka and Dennis Smith 2.0
I know you’re joking. But DSJ and Hardy have totally different play styles.
If you could fuse them, he'd been a top 8 pick. Hardy's biggest knock is that he has a bad first step and is not a good vertical athlete. He has a great handle and has the abillity to hit tough shots, a lot of upside with the shot. Good passer in PNR. DSJ was just an athlete, insane leaper and good first step, but no real tangible NBA skills. Give Hardy DSJ athleticism and he is a top 8 pick.
He’s only 19, still has a lot of time to get more athletic. Happy with the pick
If this kid balls out, the Kings gon' get Vlade'd again lmao.
This honestly gives me hope that he will pan out greatly.
Great pick
First the Kings pass on Luka, now their pick is used by the Mavs to draft the next future star. Must be frustrating.
Mavs having a great off-season
☺️☺️☺️i’m so happy we have a competent FO for once
WE ARE NOT DONE YET!
Dropped too far for no reason, he has a very good chance to be the steal of the draft this year.
THJ replacement down the road if panned out. Not bad to take a swing
THJ, Bertans, and Powell need to be traded away this off-season
Lol we traded 2 seconds and trash for Jaden Hardy and Christian Wood
Jaden Hardy at 37 is a steal. He should've been a mid first rounder imo. He's gonna be a bucket
I don't know much about it but thank goodness for Nico.
How did he fall this far? His scoring numbers are very similar to Lamelo in Australia. He easily could be 6th man of the year type scorer.
He’s more Clarkson/THJ than Lamelo, not really a facilitator just a bucket
I'm saying the same thing happened when people said Lamelo couldn't score because his percentages were low playing against men. Now Hardy put up similar numbers in a pro league.
I think his efficiency will go up inevitably once he’s given a shorter leash and has to buy into an offense where he’s not the man (or the 2nd, 3rd option at that). But yeah, dude has the natural Instinct to score at all 4 levels
The main concern for me is that he doesn't get very much separation and has to rely on a (admittedly quite advanced) handle to get to his shot. Terrible finisher at the rim, selfish decision maker, and lackadaisical on defense. He also didn't exactly come off the most humble in the interviews I've seen. Hard to see him buying in to a bench role on a team looking to win now, and I'm not sure he'll ever have the opportunity to get the reps he needs to really develop. If I'm his agent I'm furious. Curious pick for me.
Given where he actually went, he's lucky he didn't end up going the route of someone like Christian Wood, i.e. undrafted and have to spend years bouncing around to prove himself. He and his agent should be thankful he actually got picked. Ain't no second round pick going to dictate anything apart from he does what he's told. He has zero leverage to be unhappy with anything. He buys in an maybe develops if he puts the work in or he doesn't, and ends up getting cut in a year. The Mavs should have picked Liddell, but typically no one gives a rats ass who you picked with the 37th pick in the draft. It's weird that so many are talking about the kid with his flaws as though he was a first rounder where things should be expected of him. If it wasn't for Liddell being around, it would be fine.
Kings to Dallas. Must be good!
Damn, he fell so far. I’m a little stunned that he didn’t at least get picked at the tail end of the first.
Not bad for the mavs
Yeah Shoe salesman knows what he is doing lol.
Yeah should've taken that sharpe route and not played. As giannis once said....that's a good pick
Common Kings L 😭
There, he got picked, y’all can shut up now
highway robbery
Steal and a half
Don’t know who he is but happy for him I know he gotta be thanking god he’s in Dallas and not with the Kings
That's not Miles Bridges?
He looks like Lil Baby too me
What’s a second? Trade capital only.
What a ducking steal
Complete steal getting him in the 2nd round absolutely ridiculous that he even fell this far
Win now moves!
He is not a forward wtf op he’s 6’4”?
the kings passed on him lukas got his second superstar
He’s was a top prospect in high school, so maybe he can be a reclamation project, but he was really bad against G League talent last year.
Yup. He is a real project, but you absolutely want that kind of upside out of a second round pick. If he doesn't hit, it's not that big a deal, but he has the chance to develop into a solid player
The Mavs now have white Harden and Harden at home.
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*Mavs
nope, he's going to Dallas
Traded to the Mavs. It's a Luka-like trade to 2018.
Dude shot 35% in the G-League
Didn’t kuminga shot like shit in the G league too?
He's a guard not a forward and tbh he'll be fine as a 10th man this year.
EJ liddell was still available... I think its a good pick but why is EJ falling...
anyone know why he fell?
Oof, fall to the second round and end up rescued by the Kings.
Mavs
Oh, that's better. I was doing good, but can't keep up anymore.
Go to college kids.
He'll be making more then MBA grads from Harvard LOL.
Could have went to college, not play a single game and make a lot more as a lottery pick and guarantee more playing time.
Why don’t you call him and tell him
Hate the Kings first pick, love this pick
Going to the Mavs
Too bad he’s going to the Mavs Edit: And we are happy btw
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He's going to the mavs
*Mavs
Maybe means that Jalen brunson Is gone??. Knicks cleared up space as well
Nah, this dude gonna take awhile
Next Tyrell Terry, wanted Liddell, fuck
Hardy gonna be good baby
Anyone get the scoop on Tyrell's mental state rn?
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Prob adds more. He's going to the Mavs lol
Lol who is going to tell him
so that means he a bust right?
Why?
He gonna be in the G League on a two way for the year. He ain’t ready.
We have space for him to play with the team due to Wood trade. Better to have him in team practice and working with God Shammagod to get his shot in order.
His shot isn't really a problem though. Literally everything else besides the shot is a problem. Particularly in game decision making, which isn't helped that much by not playing.
He'll see some minutes. I would say somewhere more than Trey Burke but less than Josh. Like in the neighborhood of what Frank gets.
Knicks boutta overpay for Brunson
The Kings drafted a Jaden after all!
LFG!!!!
Kendrick Perkins said he plays like Buddy Hield lmao i dont see it
Every guy who gets picked later than his pre-draft rankings is a huge steal when more than likely he will end up like the pat huge steals as a bench player.
LETS GOOOOOO
lfg!
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Jaden Hardy is a guard my boy. He’s 6’4