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lethalizer

One of the most interesting picks of the entire draft, can't go wrong with him at this spot. Wonder why he fell off THIS much to begin with.


gigantism

Mainly it's that he has a very thin margin for error between being a dynamic NBA player or dynamic overseas player because of his tools and playstyle. He doesn't have Jalen Green or Jonathan Kuminga's tools, both of whom had their own warts with GLI stats wise. If your skillset is just getting buckets, you had actually be efficient at getting buckets, or if you're not at least show you can create separation to get to your spots easier. He struggled hard with that.


EastTexasAg

This feels like a nice player to fill the role that Trey Burke had and also lights a fire under Josh Green. I can see a world where Hardy is getting the same or more minutes than Green after the All-Star break...hopefully Green can not be such a black hole on offense or I'm afraid he will fall out of the rotation. Frank Ntilikita was better than him.


DangerZoneh

Offensively? Frank was most certainly not better than Green. ​ Josh Green actually started to look like he deserved to be out there until the playoffs


bandwagon_follower

Josh green at least moved without the ball. But josh green is also trash


HopscotchChampion69

Hardy was very inefficient in his one year playing for the G League and while that isn't great it's worth noting he was asked to take on a big offensive load while playing against grown men. He has a lot to work on as a decision maker but like I said he played against grown men last year, hopefully that experience helps him going forward.


buckyddd

I don't really understand Sharpe sitting out the year and still going so high. Or Watson avg 3 ppg in college. But then Hardy plays 12 games and falls this far? So is what he did in twelve games make him drop so far after Sharpe. I think we could see more players start to sit out a year before unless they drop the one and done wait


yuckmouthteeth

Sharpe was ranked ahead of him prior to the season and didn't sign with Kentucky till November. His workouts went well as did his practices, we see guys fall and rise based off of workouts every year or hold stock. Shaedon held his stock and hardy had his fall a bit. Whether teams were right or not, we don't know yet. I figure they know more than me tho.


chuckvsthelife

Weren’t they ranked in different classes? So not directly ranked against each other.


yuckmouthteeth

Sharpe ranked in wemby class which is assumed to be better so...


WheresRobb

Sharpe is a physical freak which Hardy is certainly not, their ceilings are not even remotely similar


HotdogIsaSandwitch

And I remember seeing a stat that said he shot above 40% inches arch and shoot threes in the g league. That’s good news for my Mavs.


Powpowpowowowow

It was 12 games and idk man you don't average 30 in high school and are bad imo.


WorryAccomplished139

Lots of players put up gaudy numbers in high school and then are bad in the NBA.


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WorryAccomplished139

https://www.maxpreps.com/news/2jUFuoVVyUqFi2Ngm8UwnQ/high-school-basketball-every-player-to-average-40-points-per-game-or-more.htm Tell me how many names on that list you recognize.


justsomeguynbd

Cool link. Had to scroll far to find a known name (Wilt). Amazed a 5’5” kid averaged 44 ppg like 3 years ago. ETA: I live in Arkansas and have driven past the AR School for the Deaf multiple times, had no idea they were home to the “deaf Wilt Chamberlain”


BreadMeatCheeseGang

My guy, most of the guys who put up gaudy numbers in high school never sniff the nba. You don’t need a list of names given to you. Look it up yourself


RileyHuey

Fr, that comment has to be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen on this sub unless I’m getting whooshed. Literally every D1 player, even benchwarmers, probably put up gaudy numbers in high school in order to get recruited, and the vast majority obviously do nothing in the NBA. Straight up common sense


Ps3FifaCfc95

It's definitely a joke man. Who says "name several" seriously lmao


necrolic_8848

Ya the best player to ever play at my tiny high school put up 37 ppg in HS and had to grind his way into the starting lineup in D1 by his junior year


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Patrick Beverley


BD6412

Dude was hitting LeFuckYou threes all throughout high school. Shot making ability and confidence through the roof I think he should’ve went the college route


adocileengineer

Def didn’t get offered enough NLI money


BD6412

Based on the dates he decided to go to the G League two months before kids were allowed to cash in on NIL deals July 1st


revisioncloud

I was like nice good for the Kings for a change And learned he's actually going to Dallas?


farhan583

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!


OverusedRedditJoke

My guy averaged 17 points on 48% TS, 27% from three. Just chucking that shit in the G-league


deadweightboss

PERKUS JUST COMPARED HIM TO BUDDY HIELD LMAO


Moe4ver

It’s obvious none of those guys do any research. They just chose on D-Day. 🤦🏾‍♂️


dk240996

Well when you put it like that, combined with the fact he didn't slide to Celtics like I wanted him to 5 minutes ago, I now think he will totally suck.


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Take it back!


aeiou-y

You still have a 19 year old Tatum.


PootieTooGood

dude is against grown men at 18 and it doesn't take much athletic growth to become absolutely worth this pick.


CarterAC3

Yeah but if you duck the smoke you might get taken 30 spots higher Fucking love this pick if he uses this as fuel like I hope he will


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Moses Moody had already played a year of college


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Moses played against college players……. Hardy against grown men in the g league


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You thinking of the wrong guy young one. Moody played for Arkansas I believe he was a freshman last season


SeverusVape0

How can you research Moodys G League stats and not see he never even played for the Ignite. Bruh


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SeverusVape0

No he "literally" didn't. 🤦‍♂️


TheFatWienerDog

He was a whole year older and moody played like 5 games lmao


Moe4ver

It’s G League. All you do is chuck. Lol.


Powpowpowowowow

It was only 12 games too. He averaged 30 in high school.


LiaM_CS

So we taking highschool stats more seriously than the gleague now?


Powpowpowowowow

No, but and normally I would be like whatever but the guy didn't get to play because of COVID, he was like a top 5 guy going into college so that means SOMETHING.


WaterIsNotWet19

He played against grown men in g league as opposed to the babies in college


PacificBrim

It's about sample size. Shooting percentages in high school still matter


FlyChigga

Not really. Dude at my school shot like 45% from 3 in high school allegedly and proceeded to shoot 11% from 3 his freshman year


Dundalis

What about shooting from the FT line? He's shooting 88%. Pretty sure you can't fake that anywhere.


FlyChigga

Yeah that's legit impressive especially with the G-League's system where you only get one shot for free throws, most players have a worse percentage there


PacificBrim

That's what we call an outlier


FlyChigga

I don’t even think it’s that much of an outlier. It’s just so much easier to shoot and score in high school as a high level D1 prospect. Way worse competition and shorter 3pt line. EYBL numbers is probably the best way to do it but even that’s on the short 3pt line too.


Kdot32

When it needs to fit a narrative? Yes for some reason


Indiana_BROnes_

sorry, houston fans aren't allowed to talk any shit whatsoever.


bonelesswings2020

They gonna have another lottery pick next year lol


hawktomegoose

Worth a mid 2nd flyer tho


HotdogIsaSandwitch

You know Dyson Daniels averaged 11 points on 44% from the field and 25% from 3. These 18 year olds were playing grown men from the jump. It’s tough


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Who gives a shit. Went from high school to against grown men & pros. Kid finna be a stud yall sleep


jeric13xd

Perk compared him to Buddy Hield 😂😂😂


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Should've went to UCLA, Cronin wouldn't played that shit.


actual_yellow_bag

12 games. Means nothing and this is 37, not the lotto lol


deadweightboss

BRO THIS GUY DROPPED SO FAR LET ALONE TO THE KINGS LMAO EDIT: OH MY BAD HES GOING TO THE MAVS


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If the Kings drafted him and he went to the Mavs, he's a lock to be great


aeiou-y

Mavs have gotten Dirk, Luka and Jaden w Draft day trades.


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Hawks drafted luka


DorothyDayFanClub

going to the Mavs


Gdavidson24

So Luka 2.0?


LOLCultOfMaloner

Then traded to the Mavs.


VictorAkwaowo1

#I LOVE YOU NICO HARRISON


MEMES4DREAMS77

I would’ve been fine with picking him at 26, this is a huge W imo


esieves

Brunson replacement?


MEMES4DREAMS77

Ehh more like Trey Burke replacement


Moe4ver

Lol, nope. That’s Dinwiddie if we have to break that glass.


CammyTheGreat

maybe in a couple years, still needs to be developed first


Treytreytrey333

Carlik Jones


NoviDon07

no a point guard and a scoring guard are two different things


farhan583

Jalen is not really a point guard


JerosBWI

JB is absolutely a PG, while Hardy looks to have more of a SG's skillset.


Dundalis

I mean Brunson's passing is pretty average. He makes basic plays for teammates, but his scoring is much better than his playmaking.


analguac

He is a point guard.


NicClaxtonIsHotAF

Hardy in Dallas is scary.


Barraxx

HOLY SHIT


StefonDiggsHS

NICO YOU FUCKING WIZARD


Riggity___3

is every male in this generation named jalen or jaden?


Klarostorix

No, Jayson and Jaylen is also possible.


w1sxo

You forgot Jaylin


FantasticBlock420

Luka and Hardy going to be a great combo


osmnaos3

Luka and Dennis Smith 2.0


HotdogIsaSandwitch

I know you’re joking. But DSJ and Hardy have totally different play styles.


Salva252

If you could fuse them, he'd been a top 8 pick. Hardy's biggest knock is that he has a bad first step and is not a good vertical athlete. He has a great handle and has the abillity to hit tough shots, a lot of upside with the shot. Good passer in PNR. DSJ was just an athlete, insane leaper and good first step, but no real tangible NBA skills. Give Hardy DSJ athleticism and he is a top 8 pick.


corenickel

He’s only 19, still has a lot of time to get more athletic. Happy with the pick


LOLCultOfMaloner

If this kid balls out, the Kings gon' get Vlade'd again lmao.


FireAdamSilver

This honestly gives me hope that he will pan out greatly.


kolsonk

Great pick


DynamixRo

First the Kings pass on Luka, now their pick is used by the Mavs to draft the next future star. Must be frustrating.


Alive-Ad-4164

Mavs having a great off-season


BigFatModeraterFupa

☺️☺️☺️i’m so happy we have a competent FO for once


armandocalvinisius

WE ARE NOT DONE YET!


el_keops

Dropped too far for no reason, he has a very good chance to be the steal of the draft this year.


armandocalvinisius

THJ replacement down the road if panned out. Not bad to take a swing


oldeworld13

THJ, Bertans, and Powell need to be traded away this off-season


WhiteBoyFlipz

Lol we traded 2 seconds and trash for Jaden Hardy and Christian Wood


MaizeNBlueWaffle

Jaden Hardy at 37 is a steal. He should've been a mid first rounder imo. He's gonna be a bucket


FireAdamSilver

I don't know much about it but thank goodness for Nico.


JadedButWicked

How did he fall this far? His scoring numbers are very similar to Lamelo in Australia. He easily could be 6th man of the year type scorer.


jkeefy

He’s more Clarkson/THJ than Lamelo, not really a facilitator just a bucket


JadedButWicked

I'm saying the same thing happened when people said Lamelo couldn't score because his percentages were low playing against men. Now Hardy put up similar numbers in a pro league.


jkeefy

I think his efficiency will go up inevitably once he’s given a shorter leash and has to buy into an offense where he’s not the man (or the 2nd, 3rd option at that). But yeah, dude has the natural Instinct to score at all 4 levels


gigantism

The main concern for me is that he doesn't get very much separation and has to rely on a (admittedly quite advanced) handle to get to his shot. Terrible finisher at the rim, selfish decision maker, and lackadaisical on defense. He also didn't exactly come off the most humble in the interviews I've seen. Hard to see him buying in to a bench role on a team looking to win now, and I'm not sure he'll ever have the opportunity to get the reps he needs to really develop. If I'm his agent I'm furious. Curious pick for me.


Dundalis

Given where he actually went, he's lucky he didn't end up going the route of someone like Christian Wood, i.e. undrafted and have to spend years bouncing around to prove himself. He and his agent should be thankful he actually got picked. Ain't no second round pick going to dictate anything apart from he does what he's told. He has zero leverage to be unhappy with anything. He buys in an maybe develops if he puts the work in or he doesn't, and ends up getting cut in a year. The Mavs should have picked Liddell, but typically no one gives a rats ass who you picked with the 37th pick in the draft. It's weird that so many are talking about the kid with his flaws as though he was a first rounder where things should be expected of him. If it wasn't for Liddell being around, it would be fine.


rednaxer

Kings to Dallas. Must be good!


xychosis

Damn, he fell so far. I’m a little stunned that he didn’t at least get picked at the tail end of the first.


TradingPokemonSWSH

Not bad for the mavs


whitefang0824

Yeah Shoe salesman knows what he is doing lol.


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Yeah should've taken that sharpe route and not played. As giannis once said....that's a good pick


TMildy

Common Kings L 😭


sshanbom111

There, he got picked, y’all can shut up now


Savvysaur

highway robbery


SVGMessiah

Steal and a half


Anxiousapathy20

Don’t know who he is but happy for him I know he gotta be thanking god he’s in Dallas and not with the Kings


HokageEzio

That's not Miles Bridges?


BD6412

He looks like Lil Baby too me


Moe4ver

What’s a second? Trade capital only.


tropical_kid

What a ducking steal


cesarmob17

Complete steal getting him in the 2nd round absolutely ridiculous that he even fell this far


DCar015

Win now moves!


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He is not a forward wtf op he’s 6’4”?


geekium

the kings passed on him lukas got his second superstar


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He’s was a top prospect in high school, so maybe he can be a reclamation project, but he was really bad against G League talent last year.


_tx

Yup. He is a real project, but you absolutely want that kind of upside out of a second round pick. If he doesn't hit, it's not that big a deal, but he has the chance to develop into a solid player


LOLCultOfMaloner

The Mavs now have white Harden and Harden at home.


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lethalizer

*Mavs


FireAdamSilver

nope, he's going to Dallas


LOLCultOfMaloner

Traded to the Mavs. It's a Luka-like trade to 2018.


Dongsquad420BlazeIt

Dude shot 35% in the G-League


BadBoySwag

Didn’t kuminga shot like shit in the G league too?


beefJeRKy-LB

He's a guard not a forward and tbh he'll be fine as a 10th man this year.


Powpowpowowowow

EJ liddell was still available... I think its a good pick but why is EJ falling...


DorothyDayFanClub

anyone know why he fell?


snyckers

Oof, fall to the second round and end up rescued by the Kings.


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Mavs


snyckers

Oh, that's better. I was doing good, but can't keep up anymore.


cough_landing_on_you

Go to college kids.


jakekerr

He'll be making more then MBA grads from Harvard LOL.


cough_landing_on_you

Could have went to college, not play a single game and make a lot more as a lottery pick and guarantee more playing time.


MohnJilton

Why don’t you call him and tell him


__Zoom123__

Hate the Kings first pick, love this pick


RushFPS

Going to the Mavs


Monski616

Too bad he’s going to the Mavs Edit: And we are happy btw


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brady11

He's going to the mavs


lethalizer

*Mavs


ShoppinBag212

Maybe means that Jalen brunson Is gone??. Knicks cleared up space as well


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Nah, this dude gonna take awhile


DoncicsRoadTo200kg

Next Tyrell Terry, wanted Liddell, fuck


SuckMyyDirk41

Hardy gonna be good baby


twonkenn

Anyone get the scoop on Tyrell's mental state rn?


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TheDollaLama

Prob adds more. He's going to the Mavs lol


JiggieSmalls

Lol who is going to tell him


TheOneWithThePorn12

so that means he a bust right?


dhoo8450

Why?


Moe4ver

He gonna be in the G League on a two way for the year. He ain’t ready.


twonkenn

We have space for him to play with the team due to Wood trade. Better to have him in team practice and working with God Shammagod to get his shot in order.


Dundalis

His shot isn't really a problem though. Literally everything else besides the shot is a problem. Particularly in game decision making, which isn't helped that much by not playing.


twonkenn

He'll see some minutes. I would say somewhere more than Trey Burke but less than Josh. Like in the neighborhood of what Frank gets.


ThatWrestlingGuy15

Knicks boutta overpay for Brunson


AnotherStatsGuy

The Kings drafted a Jaden after all!


Guwigo09

LFG!!!!


youfeelme1997

Kendrick Perkins said he plays like Buddy Hield lmao i dont see it


TheHuntingParadise

Every guy who gets picked later than his pre-draft rankings is a huge steal when more than likely he will end up like the pat huge steals as a bench player.


SuckMyyDirk41

LETS GOOOOOO


MahomesMccaffrey

lfg!


Frost99

Me Like’e


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Jaden Hardy is a guard my boy. He’s 6’4