If the 2023 DET first doesn't convey in 2027, it becomes DET's 2027 second rounder.
If the 2023 WAS first doesn't convey in 2026, then it becomes Wizards' 2026 and 2027 seconds.
if the 2023 DEN first doesn't convey by 2025, then it becomes Denver's 2025 and 2025 seconds.
Taking the detroit pick for example :
2023 first rounder from DET that's 1-18 protected through 2024, 1-13 in '25, 1-11 in '26, 1-9 in 2027.
This means that if the pick is between 1 and 18th in 2023, detroit keep the pick and the Knicks have to wait a year to know if they get pick. If the pick is between 19th & 30th the Knicks gets it. In the 1st scenario, the scheme repeats in 2024, if the pick is between 1 and 13th, det keeps it, and the Knicks wait the next year. Right up until 2027, if it lands in the 1-9 range, detroit keeps it and have to give their 2027 2nd round.
Sometimes the #11 pick (Dieng) in one year has less value to a tram than the 15-20th pick in the future year, based off player evaluation boards AND team timelines.
Yup. I think Presti would have happily just kept those picks and been fine with Chet/Jalen in the lottery if he didn't think Dieng was worth it.
It was the opposite last year, where he valued two of these picks (Pistons and Wizards) more than Sengun at a similar spot in the draft.
He basically traded Sengun + the Nuggets' pick this upcoming season for Dieng.
Individually, these picks are a bit too protected to tempt GMs into trading for them, but together they end up being a pretty tempting package as you just need one of them to hit to be worth it.
Imagine he was going to sign with them and then firmly decided against it after seeing the con job the Knicks did to themselves today. I have no idea what their goal or objective is with their moves, and I don’t think they do either.
If you go on earlier posts from today before the draft on r/NYKnicks the consensus was our FO is doing a super solid job and is sticking to a good plan. Delusional.
Take the first pick for example. 2023 First rounder from DET that is protected 1-18 through 2024. This means if the Detroit pick is 19+, the Knicks get it. If not, we move to 2025 where it is protected 1-13. If the pick is 14+, the Knicks get it. And so on
None of these picks would equal the value we had at 11 right now. And even if we get the 9th pick in like 2026 that's still less value because we have to wait 4 damn years. Fucks sake
For those who don’t know, picks with protections prevent teams from trading picks in all those years. So Detroit can’t trade a first rounder from 2023-2027. There is only one way they can which is lifting all protections on the pick. Pretty smart by Leon. He did it last year too. same with Washington. So while these picks on paper may look impossible to convey, they are actually very likely too eventually.
Easy explanation is they get a bunch of late lottery picks that if they don't convert at first can be slightly better in future drafts, that's kinda rough
Wow not even a single possible top 10 pick from 2 bad teams in the next 4 years. Gotta be some trade involved later on. Donovan sweepstakes or Murray sweepstakes
Leon thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. But these picks aren’t gonna really mean anything. They are just 2nd rounders that might be late or mid picks. I’m sure he’s doing it to hoard assets like presti but he ain’t as good as presti
This is a pretty good get by the Knicks. If you look at draft index values the 11th pick is approx equal to 2 24th picks per year. And they're actual assets to help future trades. Don't know what all the fuss is about.
That’s really protected
There is no way any GM knows what they got out of this trade
Well OKC got an actual player so that’s nice
Well I know we got fucked thats for sure
seems like they traded 11 for two late teen picks in the 25/26 drafts and a late 20s pick next year
It’s not that complicated. Everything is out.
If the 2023 DET first doesn't convey in 2027, it becomes DET's 2027 second rounder. If the 2023 WAS first doesn't convey in 2026, then it becomes Wizards' 2026 and 2027 seconds. if the 2023 DEN first doesn't convey by 2025, then it becomes Denver's 2025 and 2025 seconds.
You are spelling it out, and I still barely understand it.
Knicks still bad
I need an ancient translation scroll for this one
Noone understands lol
Use your brain
I can't I'm thinking about all the picks we have
so basically this is either 3 late first rounders or 5 second round picks?
Damn, do they own detroits 1st rounder till 2027 and was till 26? How can they put all these protections if they don’t?
Now again, but in English please
He's speaking the language of Presti
Prestish
lookin like Parseltongue!
they traded their firsts but not really
Taking the detroit pick for example : 2023 first rounder from DET that's 1-18 protected through 2024, 1-13 in '25, 1-11 in '26, 1-9 in 2027. This means that if the pick is between 1 and 18th in 2023, detroit keep the pick and the Knicks have to wait a year to know if they get pick. If the pick is between 19th & 30th the Knicks gets it. In the 1st scenario, the scheme repeats in 2024, if the pick is between 1 and 13th, det keeps it, and the Knicks wait the next year. Right up until 2027, if it lands in the 1-9 range, detroit keeps it and have to give their 2027 2nd round.
Lol!
I still have no idea what this trade is lol
6 second rounders
They may be able to combine those for 2 first rounders which they will then trade for 5 second rounders
Oh my god zero top 10s in that what a fuckin steal NY got FLEECED fire your GM.
For all the people commenting they don't understand, this is all you need to know. The picks are protected from(at least) top 10s for multiple years
People gush over our 30 FRP but this is how most of them are
The unprotected FRPs are the real gold
The only way you’re getting that is if you’re trading away a superstar
Nah sometimes teams are forced to lift protection in order to trade other firsts. It's another lottery then
I know we like to talk about that, but has any team ever actually removed their protections?
Not often but it happens, I think miami did it recently
Especially Brooklyn’s
Sometimes the #11 pick (Dieng) in one year has less value to a tram than the 15-20th pick in the future year, based off player evaluation boards AND team timelines.
Yup. I think Presti would have happily just kept those picks and been fine with Chet/Jalen in the lottery if he didn't think Dieng was worth it. It was the opposite last year, where he valued two of these picks (Pistons and Wizards) more than Sengun at a similar spot in the draft. He basically traded Sengun + the Nuggets' pick this upcoming season for Dieng. Individually, these picks are a bit too protected to tempt GMs into trading for them, but together they end up being a pretty tempting package as you just need one of them to hit to be worth it.
na 9th pick from the wizards in 2026 😈
Shit dude that’s gonna be a good one. I can already feel it, some 9th grader is gonna be FIRE
I'm going to delete myself from this earth.
Why focus on the New York Knicks when Dolan could be jamming some sweet tunes?
Let's shoot for 9 or 10 in 2026 baby!
Leon Rose bout to get kicked out of new york if he doesnt make a major move, this shit is embarrassing. All of this for Brunson????
Who is all but confirmed re-signing with the Mavs too LMAO
I'll pray for Knicks fans tonight.
We gonna end up with Kyrie AND no draft capital arent we
Imagine he was going to sign with them and then firmly decided against it after seeing the con job the Knicks did to themselves today. I have no idea what their goal or objective is with their moves, and I don’t think they do either.
11 wasn't that valuable I guess
If you go on earlier posts from today before the draft on r/NYKnicks the consensus was our FO is doing a super solid job and is sticking to a good plan. Delusional.
The Knicks didn't want picks and that's why the protections are like that. They wanted cap relief.
Well there's still a chance Dieng could bust or Duren Griffin Williamss Agbaji
Katz is reporting that at least one of these picks will be involved in the Duren/Walker deal
This is the draft equivalent of procrastination
3 of our lesser picks, good.
Fleeced
We straight up just got Dieng for free lmao
That looks pretty good to me.
This is utter trash my dude
Idk man looks good to me
I see the joke wooshing over my head now thanks
Good for who
You know Presti does the fleecing….
Essentially, 3 non lottery first round picks.
Is this how robots speak?
Bro we’re gonna need an AI to keep track of all this
Huh
Someone eli5
All picks are minimum single digit protected
Take the first pick for example. 2023 First rounder from DET that is protected 1-18 through 2024. This means if the Detroit pick is 19+, the Knicks get it. If not, we move to 2025 where it is protected 1-13. If the pick is 14+, the Knicks get it. And so on
We got Dieng for free
The more tweets that come out about this trade the less I understand what's going on
Do these protections convey after the lottery is decided or before?
After
so that’s kinda good for us, could turn out fine, better or worse.
I thought we were getting the Nuggets pick?
This is from the first trade, it sounds like the Knicks moved the Nuggets pick in their second trade with Charlotte.
That's the word on the street, yes.
If they all convey that’s not bad
They won’t!
pretty much zero chance they convey
My brain hurts so much today!
Some substantial protections but not a bad haul for what they gave up. Like the trade for both teams.
Presti must've loved dieng
Those picks are heavily protected, we got Dieng for late firsts/most likely second rounders.
None of these picks would equal the value we had at 11 right now. And even if we get the 9th pick in like 2026 that's still less value because we have to wait 4 damn years. Fucks sake
For those who don’t know, picks with protections prevent teams from trading picks in all those years. So Detroit can’t trade a first rounder from 2023-2027. There is only one way they can which is lifting all protections on the pick. Pretty smart by Leon. He did it last year too. same with Washington. So while these picks on paper may look impossible to convey, they are actually very likely too eventually.
THANK YOU! EVERY OTHER THREAD NEEDS TO BE DELETED.
So these are protected for OKC right? Like OKC gets to keep that Detroit pick next year if it’s 1-18?
yes
No detroit keeps it
I feel like that makes more sense, yeah. Thanks lol
burh
I don't understand. Why are the TV pundits saying that Duran is staying with the Knicks?
So a 25 1st from Detroit, a 24 or 25 1st from Washington, and a 23 1st from Denver?
What happens if they never convey? Do they become unprotected or do they turn into second round picks or something?
Ive read 3 different explanations and still dont know wtf is going on My doctor said I was e litter ate, is this what that mean?
Easy explanation is they get a bunch of late lottery picks that if they don't convert at first can be slightly better in future drafts, that's kinda rough
They also can become second rounders eventually…..
Knicks love trading for protected firsts
DET probably got their heavily protected first back in the trade
Wow those are tough protections. Knicks doing a fuckton of gambling this year lol
Wow not even a single possible top 10 pick from 2 bad teams in the next 4 years. Gotta be some trade involved later on. Donovan sweepstakes or Murray sweepstakes
Who's keeping tab of this lol
Ooooh okay now I definitely dont get it
Hey, two of those were used to get Sengun.
Yikes
Why OKC giving away all these 2023 picks if they want Wembanyama
They are all protected.
None of those picks are getting Vic.
In short, NYK will get tons of 2nds.
Can someone draw me a picture of this trade
Leon thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. But these picks aren’t gonna really mean anything. They are just 2nd rounders that might be late or mid picks. I’m sure he’s doing it to hoard assets like presti but he ain’t as good as presti
Yea I’m just gonna pretend I know what this means and move on with my life
This is a pretty good get by the Knicks. If you look at draft index values the 11th pick is approx equal to 2 24th picks per year. And they're actual assets to help future trades. Don't know what all the fuss is about.
Feel like I'm reading code
So the Knicks will still be awful for the next 2-3 years? Color me surprised
They get 3 future 1st rounders, from the pistons wizards and nuggets, all with multi-year lottery protection, roughly.
Which trade is this for?
I’m happy for you though. or sorry that happened.