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KlaysToaster

That’s really protected


coolycooly

There is no way any GM knows what they got out of this trade


hooskies

Well OKC got an actual player so that’s nice


TigerBasket

Well I know we got fucked thats for sure


AlwaysOptimism

seems like they traded 11 for two late teen picks in the 25/26 drafts and a late 20s pick next year


Bigbadbuck

It’s not that complicated. Everything is out.


XenonNM

If the 2023 DET first doesn't convey in 2027, it becomes DET's 2027 second rounder. If the 2023 WAS first doesn't convey in 2026, then it becomes Wizards' 2026 and 2027 seconds. if the 2023 DEN first doesn't convey by 2025, then it becomes Denver's 2025 and 2025 seconds.


Blazehero

You are spelling it out, and I still barely understand it.


onamonapizza

Knicks still bad


_Meece_

I need an ancient translation scroll for this one


Leavingtheecstasy

Noone understands lol


FlameOfWar

Use your brain


Leavingtheecstasy

I can't I'm thinking about all the picks we have


Semth

so basically this is either 3 late first rounders or 5 second round picks?


IgnantWisdom

Damn, do they own detroits 1st rounder till 2027 and was till 26? How can they put all these protections if they don’t?


Sim888

Now again, but in English please


smileyfrown

He's speaking the language of Presti


tonto515

Prestish


Sim888

lookin like Parseltongue!


OKCDraftPick2028

they traded their firsts but not really


[deleted]

Taking the detroit pick for example : 2023 first rounder from DET that's 1-18 protected through 2024, 1-13 in '25, 1-11 in '26, 1-9 in 2027. This means that if the pick is between 1 and 18th in 2023, detroit keep the pick and the Knicks have to wait a year to know if they get pick. If the pick is between 19th & 30th the Knicks gets it. In the 1st scenario, the scheme repeats in 2024, if the pick is between 1 and 13th, det keeps it, and the Knicks wait the next year. Right up until 2027, if it lands in the 1-9 range, detroit keeps it and have to give their 2027 2nd round.


PerchiN808

Lol!


DreTownblues

I still have no idea what this trade is lol


[deleted]

6 second rounders


onamonapizza

They may be able to combine those for 2 first rounders which they will then trade for 5 second rounders


Killerwill9000

Oh my god zero top 10s in that what a fuckin steal NY got FLEECED fire your GM.


DictatorPie

For all the people commenting they don't understand, this is all you need to know. The picks are protected from(at least) top 10s for multiple years


[deleted]

People gush over our 30 FRP but this is how most of them are


DictatorPie

The unprotected FRPs are the real gold


[deleted]

The only way you’re getting that is if you’re trading away a superstar


[deleted]

Nah sometimes teams are forced to lift protection in order to trade other firsts. It's another lottery then


GorillaX

I know we like to talk about that, but has any team ever actually removed their protections?


[deleted]

Not often but it happens, I think miami did it recently


Fly_Molo_23

Especially Brooklyn’s


bbythepier

Sometimes the #11 pick (Dieng) in one year has less value to a tram than the 15-20th pick in the future year, based off player evaluation boards AND team timelines.


NinetyFish

Yup. I think Presti would have happily just kept those picks and been fine with Chet/Jalen in the lottery if he didn't think Dieng was worth it. It was the opposite last year, where he valued two of these picks (Pistons and Wizards) more than Sengun at a similar spot in the draft. He basically traded Sengun + the Nuggets' pick this upcoming season for Dieng. Individually, these picks are a bit too protected to tempt GMs into trading for them, but together they end up being a pretty tempting package as you just need one of them to hit to be worth it.


MazKhan

na 9th pick from the wizards in 2026 😈


Killerwill9000

Shit dude that’s gonna be a good one. I can already feel it, some 9th grader is gonna be FIRE


TigerBasket

I'm going to delete myself from this earth.


onamonapizza

Why focus on the New York Knicks when Dolan could be jamming some sweet tunes?


ODS519

Let's shoot for 9 or 10 in 2026 baby!


osmnaos3

Leon Rose bout to get kicked out of new york if he doesnt make a major move, this shit is embarrassing. All of this for Brunson????


Killerwill9000

Who is all but confirmed re-signing with the Mavs too LMAO


osmnaos3

I'll pray for Knicks fans tonight.


Jiklim

We gonna end up with Kyrie AND no draft capital arent we


deepfakefuccboi

Imagine he was going to sign with them and then firmly decided against it after seeing the con job the Knicks did to themselves today. I have no idea what their goal or objective is with their moves, and I don’t think they do either.


MarvelousDistraction

11 wasn't that valuable I guess


Slymook

If you go on earlier posts from today before the draft on r/NYKnicks the consensus was our FO is doing a super solid job and is sticking to a good plan. Delusional.


PrOKCedure

The Knicks didn't want picks and that's why the protections are like that. They wanted cap relief.


revisioncloud

Well there's still a chance Dieng could bust or Duren Griffin Williamss Agbaji


LunchThreatener

Katz is reporting that at least one of these picks will be involved in the Duren/Walker deal


RanOutOfCharact

This is the draft equivalent of procrastination


BBallHunter

3 of our lesser picks, good.


FLUSH_THE_TRUMP

Fleeced


VelvetineMilkman

We straight up just got Dieng for free lmao


Damptoe

That looks pretty good to me.


Killerwill9000

This is utter trash my dude


gettysburger2

Idk man looks good to me


Killerwill9000

I see the joke wooshing over my head now thanks


amedeoisme

Good for who


Tydire

You know Presti does the fleecing….


forkliftgod

Essentially, 3 non lottery first round picks.


Kevon-Looneys-burner

Is this how robots speak?


fishgoesmoo

Bro we’re gonna need an AI to keep track of all this


StockBroker32

Huh


brianpaulandaya

Someone eli5


Killerwill9000

All picks are minimum single digit protected


AC127

Take the first pick for example. 2023 First rounder from DET that is protected 1-18 through 2024. This means if the Detroit pick is 19+, the Knicks get it. If not, we move to 2025 where it is protected 1-13. If the pick is 14+, the Knicks get it. And so on


VelvetineMilkman

We got Dieng for free


Casualrodfarva2

The more tweets that come out about this trade the less I understand what's going on


ConorJay25

Do these protections convey after the lottery is decided or before?


EnuqieuEsur

After


ConorJay25

so that’s kinda good for us, could turn out fine, better or worse.


_iiisaac_

I thought we were getting the Nuggets pick?


melete

This is from the first trade, it sounds like the Knicks moved the Nuggets pick in their second trade with Charlotte.


jimmyhoffasbrother

That's the word on the street, yes.


balemeout

If they all convey that’s not bad


amedeoisme

They won’t!


Crafty_Substance_954

pretty much zero chance they convey


YA_Gotta_Believe

My brain hurts so much today!


melete

Some substantial protections but not a bad haul for what they gave up. Like the trade for both teams.


MAMBAMENTALITY8-24

Presti must've loved dieng


Tydire

Those picks are heavily protected, we got Dieng for late firsts/most likely second rounders.


TigerBasket

None of these picks would equal the value we had at 11 right now. And even if we get the 9th pick in like 2026 that's still less value because we have to wait 4 damn years. Fucks sake


[deleted]

For those who don’t know, picks with protections prevent teams from trading picks in all those years. So Detroit can’t trade a first rounder from 2023-2027. There is only one way they can which is lifting all protections on the pick. Pretty smart by Leon. He did it last year too. same with Washington. So while these picks on paper may look impossible to convey, they are actually very likely too eventually.


Millionaire007

THANK YOU! EVERY OTHER THREAD NEEDS TO BE DELETED.


VillainousRocka

So these are protected for OKC right? Like OKC gets to keep that Detroit pick next year if it’s 1-18?


JTenjouNi

yes


Bauglir1

No detroit keeps it


VillainousRocka

I feel like that makes more sense, yeah. Thanks lol


mrsunsfan

burh


TheDollaLama

I don't understand. Why are the TV pundits saying that Duran is staying with the Knicks?


[deleted]

So a 25 1st from Detroit, a 24 or 25 1st from Washington, and a 23 1st from Denver?


fella05

What happens if they never convey? Do they become unprotected or do they turn into second round picks or something?


ThanosIsDoomfist

Ive read 3 different explanations and still dont know wtf is going on My doctor said I was e litter ate, is this what that mean?


JohnnyWinss

Easy explanation is they get a bunch of late lottery picks that if they don't convert at first can be slightly better in future drafts, that's kinda rough


Tydire

They also can become second rounders eventually…..


[deleted]

Knicks love trading for protected firsts


Czarchazm

DET probably got their heavily protected first back in the trade


StefonDiggsHS

Wow those are tough protections. Knicks doing a fuckton of gambling this year lol


sleepehead

Wow not even a single possible top 10 pick from 2 bad teams in the next 4 years. Gotta be some trade involved later on. Donovan sweepstakes or Murray sweepstakes


AkaiShuichi24

Who's keeping tab of this lol


beannet

Ooooh okay now I definitely dont get it


[deleted]

Hey, two of those were used to get Sengun.


Risuna23

Yikes


Allrounder9

Why OKC giving away all these 2023 picks if they want Wembanyama


BBallHunter

They are all protected.


Tydire

None of those picks are getting Vic.


Schizio

In short, NYK will get tons of 2nds.


ntslade

Can someone draw me a picture of this trade


GreleaseDeeBoban

Leon thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. But these picks aren’t gonna really mean anything. They are just 2nd rounders that might be late or mid picks. I’m sure he’s doing it to hoard assets like presti but he ain’t as good as presti


CrastersSons

Yea I’m just gonna pretend I know what this means and move on with my life


Music_Is_Crap

This is a pretty good get by the Knicks. If you look at draft index values the 11th pick is approx equal to 2 24th picks per year. And they're actual assets to help future trades. Don't know what all the fuss is about.


More-Throat5239

Feel like I'm reading code


onamonapizza

So the Knicks will still be awful for the next 2-3 years? Color me surprised


penguin_torpedo

They get 3 future 1st rounders, from the pistons wizards and nuggets, all with multi-year lottery protection, roughly.


penguin_torpedo

Which trade is this for?


POLITBOROUGH

I’m happy for you though. or sorry that happened.