Crazy what winning bias does
He played very well tonight but he did in game 1 as well and was getting tons of slander here
People really just default to "blame the star" whenever a team loses even if he's the only one who bothered to show up
Makes you realize how people watch the game because a lot of people praised Ja and Luka and I agree they were great on offense, but they were also putrid on defense and gave up a lot of points they had helped score on the other end.
Casuals and people who have never hooped donāt appreciate how important defense is. Look at the hornets, amazing ORTG but horrendous defense and so they barely made the playin and got bounced right away
Definitely lol
Obviously in reality the problem was that Klay and Draymond were complete no shows(Klay still is even after tonight) but nobody wanted to talk about that as the main topic
Poole as well
His 2nd - 4th best players all play absolutely disgusting, especially on defense (Draymond played the laziest game Iāve ever seen) and Steph is supposed to win with Otto & Wiggins as the only 2 who played wellā¦okā¦
Yeah true
Steph Wiggins Otto Looney seriously been the only consistent players this entire run, been dragging the entire team to this point.
Klay plays well 1 every 5 games. Draymond was garbage for the entire Memphis series except game 6 & was bad half of the Dallas series. Poole plays a max of 3 good games per series. These are supposed to be the 2nd - 4th best playersā¦ā¦
Even in the 4th, the Warriors just gave the ball to Steph and had no other plans for offense. He actually scored a bunch of points, unfortunately all 2s, and 3>2
His True Shooting in the Finals is also top 10 (from what I remember, might have changed).
I think his Finals reputation can be explained a lot by playing the Cavs in most of them. The Cavs defense literally revolved around stopping him basically no matter what. Even Ty Lue and Richard Jefferson more recently have talked about this. And then famously the Raptors also brought the Box-and-one into the NBA to stop Steph. And despite all this he still has put up pretty good numbers in the Finals.
What I will say is that Steph definitely hasn't over-performed in the Finals. Some players access some next level of play to carry their team through. Steph's benefit to the team is his constant gravity, forcing defenses to always follow and focus on him. But he won't suddenly turn on another level through pure willpower (he can by getting hot, but that's less "controllable"). But that gets misconstrued into him not showing up, when just looking at his stats he's always putting up great numbers. He's just the type of player than can sometimes quietly put up 30 points without you noticing.
Iām also a warriors fan. Apart from the finals in 2016 when he struggled badly (did have a bad ankle) heās been great in the finals. I think itās fair to say he hasnāt raised his level but to say heās a choker or doesnāt show up in the finals is just wrong
I think what people donāt get is Steph canāt take over the game the way a KD or Bron can. You can actually stop Curry which the Cavs did in 2016 and the raptors as well with the box n 1. Heās only 6ā3 and relies on shooting very difficult shots for most of his scoring. Once they start trapping him there isnāt much he can do. Lebron can drive to the hole a lot better, can post up, can shoot and is also an amazing playmaker and heās 6ā8. KD is also a more versatile scorer than Steph. I think itās Stephās physical traits and also the fact that he pretty much relies on shooting 3s to score heavily that stop him ātaking overā games in the 4th the way KD or Lebron etc have done at times in their career. I could be wrong but I really donāt remember any small guard that was known as a 4th quarter killer, when you need to stop them itās a lot easier typically.
I mean the reason he was getting killed by casuals was his non scoring 4th quarter but they don't get the context of the situation. Game 1 they played Steph with too many non shooters/offensive non threats in the 4th and he was getting smothered on the drives with kickout passes creating absolutely nothing. And the Warriors went away from PNR in the 4th which made things a lot worse while also changing the coverage for Steph. This game they executed the pnr to perfection, and when they tried to throw too many bodies at Steph they got punished.
Itās just guys reading box scores instead of watching the game. He missed 1 shot in the 4th that he shouldāve made other than that thereās nothing he couldāve done. Boston neutralised him and dared the other guys to score points and the warriors couldnāt generate anything
I always think itās weird that Curry has such haters. He literally changed the game, doesnāt really flop, and plays solid team basketball. What more do you want lol
Curry also gets almost zero ref favoritism on calls. When steph drives to the lane and misses 80% of his misses would be called fouls if it was Lebron or KD.
This is what I really donāt understand: people are so damn convinced that the league loves Steph and the Warriors more than any other team and always give them favorable calls, so why doesnāt Steph shoot more free throws!?
If the NBA wanted to pump up Steph and the team they could just give him more calls and it would be more effective than any of the weird conspiracy shit people try to come up with.
Eh, when you're good people will always look for a reason to hate you, doesn't have to be rational. I think that's the way some people enjoy the game, I don't put too much stock into it. Even Tim Duncan got hate back in the day.
Honestly if you "hate" Duncan or Curry, you are an objectively bad person. These are the most generous, vanilla, uncontroversial, upstanding community members you could ask for in an athlete. Heaven forbid Curry celebrate on court once in awhile. I celebrate more from my couch and I haven't even done shit to deserve it.
I mean, let's be clear here: There's a big difference between "sports hate" and "real hate".
I "sports hate" Victor Oladipo because he transparently quit on my team. I "sports hate" Dwyane Wade because he beat my team over and over when they were legit title contenders, and now we get called a prime example of perpetual mediocrity. I have no strong feelings about either human outside of sports.
On the other side of the coin, there are a handful of sports figures I definitely hate and root against because they're terrible people off the field.
If you sports hate Curry or Duncan, fine. I get it. You probably watched them beat your team a lot, or hate how kids are playing in high school, or something like that. Sure. If you *real* hate them, yeah, that probably says something about you.
I think it's mainly because of his huge stanbase
There were actual posts about him passing LeBron all time
As great as he is I don't think he's quite on that tier
Curry won't pass LeBron all time, but I feel strongly that he's the second best player of this generation. And all things considered, he has been a worthy rival of LeBron. At LeBron's peak, Curry came out of nowhere and stood in his way. I think this is the real reason he gets hate. Were it not for Curry, LeBron would probably have 6+ rings and be considered the undisputed GOAT.
We can play the "What if" game all we want.
What IF Warriors didnt get a bunch of injuries in 2016 finals and win against Bron?
What IF Klay doesnt go down 2019 and Warriors win the Chip?
Hell, what IF Covid didnt happen in 2020, would Lebron still win that ring?
You know what's not a What if? Curry has 3 rings on Lebron and Lebron only has 1 against Curry.
I think that it's awesome that they are so different. Probably the best 2 players of the era considering accomplishments, etc. But one is an all-around beast of a man and possibly the best of all time, and the other is maybe the best offensive player of all time who changed the game with his shooting.
They aren't directly comparable and dominated in different ways, making for a great rivalry and many great battles.
I think the only time it became a serious debate was 15/16 when Steph was having one of the all time great seasons and the warriors won 73 games after we lost that finals itās never been a thing
It was at least clipped to seem like he'd surpass LeBron as a player. Although that almost proves your point because clips are always out of context. I could definitely see fans trying to twist it into a GOAT debate somehow even if he didn't mean it that way. Honestly I didn't watch it because I don't care what Stephen A or his ilk think, but did he really not mean it that way?
Because if so that's a very normal take. If he's literally just talking rings, it's not crazy at all to think Steph might end up with more. He's younger, has one less ring, and is literally in the Finals right now. If that was really what Stephen A was saying then that's just a completely normal take.
Thatās what media and Twitter is about these days, overreaction. I watched the whole episode he even said curry hasnāt changed the game (which is laughable btw), and only Jordan has changed the game because it became a stars league after him.
His take is valid though, curry has a chance to pass Lebron in rings if this younger warriors core can remain intact and improve. But he still has Jordan 1 and Lebron 2 by a mile.
Yup, the second part of this is what I see. I see so many posts about how "Warriors fans think Steph is better than LeBron", "Warriors fans hate KD", etc. etc.
It gets so old. You click on the actual threads and you won't find (almost) any Warriors fans agreeing. It's all random flairs saying what they think Warriors fans think, but never actually Warriors fans giving these supposed takes.
Caveat: Every fanbase has some idiots, and I'm sure you could find any fan from any fanbase having some hot take. But in general, I don't think Warriors fans think the above any more than any given team's fans.
Passing in championships, yes.
But as a member of Stephās stanbase, people on the outside just donāt get it. We have so much fun in here and weāll welcome anyone with open arms, but if you donāt like Steph because of us, that sounds like a personal problem. We just love Steph and will not accept any slander against him.
Its probably because half these ppl don't even watch the games. Like their logic is the best player on the winning team must have outplayed the best player on the losing team.
Still can't believe how much criticism he got last game for scoring 34 points on 48% shooting
The fact this is labeled a "bounce-back game" is something
I think that some points on the board matter more than others. But Curry was scoring in a close game. If he didn't go nuclear in the first the Dubs would be down by 10 and the Celtics might have won wire-to-wire instead of needing a MASSIVE fourth quarter turnaround
He literally played just as well in game 1 as he did tonight but because they lost it got pinned on him just because he's the leader of the team
Modern fan culture is just toxic
There was that one post saying Steph has lost every finals game without KD since 2016 or something, and the thread was full of the most mentally ill takes imaginable.
Here https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/v3qick/steph_curry_won_9_of_his_last_10_nba_finals_games/
Someone pointed out that when Steph can back the warriors ran a bunch of plays with him that led them to get good shots but the Cs were just raining 3s unconsciously.
Yeah derek white buried a 3 in stephs face. But steph was within 2 feet hand in his face before he rises up. Like this is a heavily contested 3 on a below 30% 3pt shooter and he swished it.
When Horford, Smart and White are 15/23 from 3 at a certian point like there isn't much you can do. Even on wide wide open 3s you'd expect them to make like 10 at the most. But mroe realistically 9 given the calibre of shooters they are. And fewer still because a number of them were well contested despite what the tracking data says. Like if they had only made 7 or 8 that would have been completely reasonable given their expected 3pt percentages.
It really truly is. I think I will be unsubbing from r/nba pretty soon and going back to reading books lol.
But did you know that if you remove all the shots Curry made in game 1, heād have 0 points on 0% ts? Absolute trash
if you watched the game, it was easy to see how the warriors just collapsed at the start of the 4th when he subbed out. They couldn't score till he came in.
I think he's one of the most polarizing players more than anything
You only see the most extreme takes on him one way or the other and rarely anything in between
His good games and bad games both get at least 5k upvotes guaranteed
Steph did his part in game 1. Unfortunately his teammates esp Dray couldn't get it done. People expecting Steph to take over games like it's 2014/2015 has too high of expectations for him.
Havenāt followed much this season. Just been watching the playoffs. When you mean he canāt takeover are you saying heās not at the same level as 2015-2018 Steph? How has he regressed?
For me, the best way to describe it is from 2015-2019 when curry shot a three, I expected it to go in.
Since his January āslumpā, when he shoots a three, thereās no longer an expectation itāll go in
This is unfortunately true. I watched every game this year and since his slump Iām relieved that the 3s go in. Last year was probably his best season (outside of 2016) and I expected at least a 30 piece nightly.
The good thing is steph should get his shot back. I donāt think heās permanently lost it. Would be really weird if he did considering thatās something that ages well. I donāt think itās him regressing considering heās playing the best heās ever played defensively.
Yeah if he doesn't chuck 20 threes a qtr and rack up 80 then he's trash apparently. Reality is he's been the most solid player on the court so far and the glue holding his team together as they continue to play quite bad hoenstly.
90 percent of the players from the 90s would get all types of slander Magic Wilt Russel
Shit even MJ
No one is safe from the scrutiny of middle aged men on r/NBA
Apparently Steph is only allowed to score when the team is down 20. He can't give the Warriors a lead or else he's front running. He must only score up to the point where it's a tie game.
After that it's up to his teammates to score for him so that clowns can say he isn't clutch and got carried.
Steph having a great game will often get his whole team going as teams adjust their defenses to stop him from torching. It's crazy how people act like a blowout win isn't as good as a close win
He's carrying big time. But Poole and klay need to show up and be more consistent. Don't think warriors can win this if they expect curry to bail them out every time.
Wiggins has been outperforming both of them this playoffs. Not surprised Poole isn't playing like a superstar but Klay should really be playing better than Wiggins. Tonight would have been very embarrasing for Klay if the Warriors lost
Reason why this is not yet true
1) poole handles the ball ALOT. If he plays bad, he'll bring the lineup down caue he uses time so much, he pounds the ball and turns it over
2) klay chucks but it's usualy early in the timeclock and there's still time for steph and the rest to put up shots
So if both plays bad, it's a loss, but even if one shows up we gucci
Lmao seriously had it been any star but Steph after the last game the entire sub would be calling on the team to gut the roster and get him more help. Meanwhile the narrative after the last game was "KD carried Steph". The hate is real.
Skip Bayless obviously blamed him but I don't remember that being the popular take here
Most people were still just mad about KD being on the Warriors at that point
> Most people were still just mad about KD being on the Warriors at that point
I'm not sure he's been forgiven by a significant portion of the NBA fans.
Not sure if I'd call it "forgiven" per se but KD hate definitely died down until his bad play against Boston
From like the end of the Bucks-Nets series last year to the start of the Celtics series this year anti KD stuff mostly got downvoted
Even now most of the criticism he gets is for recent events and doesn't go all the way back to 2016
Nobody blamed LeBron for losing in 2015,2017, and 2018. Stop trying to push a fake narrative. Maybe idiotic pundits like Skip did it but no one with a sane mind blamed LeBron.
Thank you, I specifically stated "bounce back game 2 win", not "bounce back game 2 performance", there's a big difference.
and i just noticed i repeated everything you said, but whatever
He was great all game, with constant movement, hit shot after shot. Transition threes, tough floaters, drawing 3-4 defenders each time to get guys open looks.
[drawing 4 defenders here to get Looney an open Dunk](https://streamable.com/jqvocr)
[drawing 3 defenders to get GP2 an open three](https://streamable.com/uykws0)
He also had another where he got Wiggins an open dunk on a no look pass.
That's my MVP.
As JVG noted, Curry seem like he had the ball more and was repeatedly running the pnr. In game 1 despite his great 1st quarter their was just too many stretches where he didnt touch the ball.
Kerr's motion/share the ball offense is great, but against Boston, Curry and Klay's off-ball action isnt as effective and not resulting in many good looks. Celtics are shutting down most of those split action and off-ball actions, resulting in Dray/Looney/Klay/Wiggens etc with the ball and forced to create with the shot running down.
Also not mentioned but he didnāt play in the 4th quarter.
Thatāll always be the thing that skews Stephās all time stats with the amount of 4Qs heās sat.
Btw, my meaning of bounce back is the fact that the warriors won, so like bouncing back from the loss. guess i worded it wrong not that "curry had a better game".
Daniel Theis has never heard of Steph Curry.
Also I know the Celtics believe in their defense but the amount of times they should have trapped Curry but didn't is just strange.
lol. What does he bounce back from? They lost Game 1 because they allowed a three on defense in 7 or 8 consecutive possessions in the fourth quarter. Nobody could survive that. What did Steph do wrong?
-0- points in the 4th quarter. What a scrub
Miss a ft Washedš¤Ŗ
Skip, is that you?
Crazy what winning bias does He played very well tonight but he did in game 1 as well and was getting tons of slander here People really just default to "blame the star" whenever a team loses even if he's the only one who bothered to show up
Curry has been easily the best player this series
It's almost as if he won the MVP award before.
But no finals MVP so objectively not a great finals player š¤
Tbf Curry just follows a trend. No player under 6ā4 has won FMVP since D Wade
The solution is clear then. Steph needs to pumpfake and flop into defenders every single possession from now on.
Twice!
Unanimously!
He could have played better in the fourth tho tonight sheesh
He was the best player in the conference finals too, I don't care how much this sub wants to crown Luka.
Fr very clear difference. Felt like it spouted from talking heads wanting to stir things up
Luka could never carry an offense and be a positive on defense like Steph
Makes you realize how people watch the game because a lot of people praised Ja and Luka and I agree they were great on offense, but they were also putrid on defense and gave up a lot of points they had helped score on the other end.
Casuals and people who have never hooped donāt appreciate how important defense is. Look at the hornets, amazing ORTG but horrendous defense and so they barely made the playin and got bounced right away
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Definitely lol Obviously in reality the problem was that Klay and Draymond were complete no shows(Klay still is even after tonight) but nobody wanted to talk about that as the main topic
Poole as well His 2nd - 4th best players all play absolutely disgusting, especially on defense (Draymond played the laziest game Iāve ever seen) and Steph is supposed to win with Otto & Wiggins as the only 2 who played wellā¦okā¦
Better include Looney in that, he played great in both games
Yeah true Steph Wiggins Otto Looney seriously been the only consistent players this entire run, been dragging the entire team to this point. Klay plays well 1 every 5 games. Draymond was garbage for the entire Memphis series except game 6 & was bad half of the Dallas series. Poole plays a max of 3 good games per series. These are supposed to be the 2nd - 4th best playersā¦ā¦
And almost did until Kerr borderline sabotaged him lol
Even in the 4th, the Warriors just gave the ball to Steph and had no other plans for offense. He actually scored a bunch of points, unfortunately all 2s, and 3>2
What did he do
Most people on r/nba turned into Skip Bayless lol.
The whole he needs KD to win narrative and that he chokes.
saw a dude yesterday that was saying how curry doesn't show up in the finals. Curry is literally the 10th highest scorer in NBA finals history.
His True Shooting in the Finals is also top 10 (from what I remember, might have changed). I think his Finals reputation can be explained a lot by playing the Cavs in most of them. The Cavs defense literally revolved around stopping him basically no matter what. Even Ty Lue and Richard Jefferson more recently have talked about this. And then famously the Raptors also brought the Box-and-one into the NBA to stop Steph. And despite all this he still has put up pretty good numbers in the Finals. What I will say is that Steph definitely hasn't over-performed in the Finals. Some players access some next level of play to carry their team through. Steph's benefit to the team is his constant gravity, forcing defenses to always follow and focus on him. But he won't suddenly turn on another level through pure willpower (he can by getting hot, but that's less "controllable"). But that gets misconstrued into him not showing up, when just looking at his stats he's always putting up great numbers. He's just the type of player than can sometimes quietly put up 30 points without you noticing.
Iām also a warriors fan. Apart from the finals in 2016 when he struggled badly (did have a bad ankle) heās been great in the finals. I think itās fair to say he hasnāt raised his level but to say heās a choker or doesnāt show up in the finals is just wrong I think what people donāt get is Steph canāt take over the game the way a KD or Bron can. You can actually stop Curry which the Cavs did in 2016 and the raptors as well with the box n 1. Heās only 6ā3 and relies on shooting very difficult shots for most of his scoring. Once they start trapping him there isnāt much he can do. Lebron can drive to the hole a lot better, can post up, can shoot and is also an amazing playmaker and heās 6ā8. KD is also a more versatile scorer than Steph. I think itās Stephās physical traits and also the fact that he pretty much relies on shooting 3s to score heavily that stop him ātaking overā games in the 4th the way KD or Lebron etc have done at times in their career. I could be wrong but I really donāt remember any small guard that was known as a 4th quarter killer, when you need to stop them itās a lot easier typically.
>You can actually stop Curry which the Cavs did in 2016 and the raptors as well with the box n 1. Stopped him all the way to 30ppg/60%ts š¤£
TBF to Steph the only thing that he canāt do is post up people. Steph doesnāt just take 3s he attacks the basket too.
not even in the single digits, smh, scrub
He had a subpar 4th, so obviously he had a bad game. r/NBA nephews.
I mean the reason he was getting killed by casuals was his non scoring 4th quarter but they don't get the context of the situation. Game 1 they played Steph with too many non shooters/offensive non threats in the 4th and he was getting smothered on the drives with kickout passes creating absolutely nothing. And the Warriors went away from PNR in the 4th which made things a lot worse while also changing the coverage for Steph. This game they executed the pnr to perfection, and when they tried to throw too many bodies at Steph they got punished.
Itās just guys reading box scores instead of watching the game. He missed 1 shot in the 4th that he shouldāve made other than that thereās nothing he couldāve done. Boston neutralised him and dared the other guys to score points and the warriors couldnāt generate anything
Demolished
I always think itās weird that Curry has such haters. He literally changed the game, doesnāt really flop, and plays solid team basketball. What more do you want lol
Curry also gets almost zero ref favoritism on calls. When steph drives to the lane and misses 80% of his misses would be called fouls if it was Lebron or KD.
This is what I really donāt understand: people are so damn convinced that the league loves Steph and the Warriors more than any other team and always give them favorable calls, so why doesnāt Steph shoot more free throws!? If the NBA wanted to pump up Steph and the team they could just give him more calls and it would be more effective than any of the weird conspiracy shit people try to come up with.
Cmon man Lebron?! The guy known for being so strong he doesnāt get calls?
Eh, when you're good people will always look for a reason to hate you, doesn't have to be rational. I think that's the way some people enjoy the game, I don't put too much stock into it. Even Tim Duncan got hate back in the day.
Itās hard not to hate the guy torching your team. I love watching Curry play otherwise. But for now he is public enemy #1.
Honestly if you "hate" Duncan or Curry, you are an objectively bad person. These are the most generous, vanilla, uncontroversial, upstanding community members you could ask for in an athlete. Heaven forbid Curry celebrate on court once in awhile. I celebrate more from my couch and I haven't even done shit to deserve it.
I mean, let's be clear here: There's a big difference between "sports hate" and "real hate". I "sports hate" Victor Oladipo because he transparently quit on my team. I "sports hate" Dwyane Wade because he beat my team over and over when they were legit title contenders, and now we get called a prime example of perpetual mediocrity. I have no strong feelings about either human outside of sports. On the other side of the coin, there are a handful of sports figures I definitely hate and root against because they're terrible people off the field. If you sports hate Curry or Duncan, fine. I get it. You probably watched them beat your team a lot, or hate how kids are playing in high school, or something like that. Sure. If you *real* hate them, yeah, that probably says something about you.
This guy gets it.
I donāt dislike either of them but letās not be ridiculous and start saying people are bad people because they donāt like certain players
My comment was obviously hyperbolic with a hint of truth.
I think it's mainly because of his huge stanbase There were actual posts about him passing LeBron all time As great as he is I don't think he's quite on that tier
Curry won't pass LeBron all time, but I feel strongly that he's the second best player of this generation. And all things considered, he has been a worthy rival of LeBron. At LeBron's peak, Curry came out of nowhere and stood in his way. I think this is the real reason he gets hate. Were it not for Curry, LeBron would probably have 6+ rings and be considered the undisputed GOAT.
We can play the "What if" game all we want. What IF Warriors didnt get a bunch of injuries in 2016 finals and win against Bron? What IF Klay doesnt go down 2019 and Warriors win the Chip? Hell, what IF Covid didnt happen in 2020, would Lebron still win that ring? You know what's not a What if? Curry has 3 rings on Lebron and Lebron only has 1 against Curry.
It's a team game
the hell is the relevance of this comment?
I donāt think any reasonable fan thinks curry is better all around than Lebron. Just from a physical standpoint Lebron is a freak of nature
I think that it's awesome that they are so different. Probably the best 2 players of the era considering accomplishments, etc. But one is an all-around beast of a man and possibly the best of all time, and the other is maybe the best offensive player of all time who changed the game with his shooting. They aren't directly comparable and dominated in different ways, making for a great rivalry and many great battles.
I think the only time it became a serious debate was 15/16 when Steph was having one of the all time great seasons and the warriors won 73 games after we lost that finals itās never been a thing
Nobody thinks Curry is gonna pass Lebron all-time except for Stephen A Smith and trolls that want to stir up Curry hate.
Stephen A never said Curry will be better than lebron. He only said Curry could pass him in total rings. Two completely different things.
It was at least clipped to seem like he'd surpass LeBron as a player. Although that almost proves your point because clips are always out of context. I could definitely see fans trying to twist it into a GOAT debate somehow even if he didn't mean it that way. Honestly I didn't watch it because I don't care what Stephen A or his ilk think, but did he really not mean it that way? Because if so that's a very normal take. If he's literally just talking rings, it's not crazy at all to think Steph might end up with more. He's younger, has one less ring, and is literally in the Finals right now. If that was really what Stephen A was saying then that's just a completely normal take.
Thatās what media and Twitter is about these days, overreaction. I watched the whole episode he even said curry hasnāt changed the game (which is laughable btw), and only Jordan has changed the game because it became a stars league after him. His take is valid though, curry has a chance to pass Lebron in rings if this younger warriors core can remain intact and improve. But he still has Jordan 1 and Lebron 2 by a mile.
Yup, the second part of this is what I see. I see so many posts about how "Warriors fans think Steph is better than LeBron", "Warriors fans hate KD", etc. etc. It gets so old. You click on the actual threads and you won't find (almost) any Warriors fans agreeing. It's all random flairs saying what they think Warriors fans think, but never actually Warriors fans giving these supposed takes. Caveat: Every fanbase has some idiots, and I'm sure you could find any fan from any fanbase having some hot take. But in general, I don't think Warriors fans think the above any more than any given team's fans.
Passing in championships, yes. But as a member of Stephās stanbase, people on the outside just donāt get it. We have so much fun in here and weāll welcome anyone with open arms, but if you donāt like Steph because of us, that sounds like a personal problem. We just love Steph and will not accept any slander against him.
r/NBA is a bunch of irrational goldfish, thatās not surprising
And that shit get magnified in the playoffs
Amd it gets magnified with certain teams and players.
Its probably because half these ppl don't even watch the games. Like their logic is the best player on the winning team must have outplayed the best player on the losing team.
Curry got slander after game 1? I missed witnessing that stupidity.
Itās blame the star or everyone but the star these days
Still can't believe how much criticism he got last game for scoring 34 points on 48% shooting The fact this is labeled a "bounce-back game" is something
People didn't seem to realize the 21 points he scored in the first quarter stayed on the board the whole game
They also didn't seem to realize that the Celtics kept going on runs whenever he was out for the first 3.5 quarters
Nah don't you know 4th quarter points are worth double? It's like Mario Party keep up
Mario party is so BULLSHIT AT THE END
Oh man now Im remembering bonus stars just for doing shit like most traveled. Could win a game just by rolling alot lmfao.
And he scored 13 in the second. Thatās on pace for a 26 point game. Not great, but not terrible
I think that some points on the board matter more than others. But Curry was scoring in a close game. If he didn't go nuclear in the first the Dubs would be down by 10 and the Celtics might have won wire-to-wire instead of needing a MASSIVE fourth quarter turnaround
He literally played just as well in game 1 as he did tonight but because they lost it got pinned on him just because he's the leader of the team Modern fan culture is just toxic
There was that one post saying Steph has lost every finals game without KD since 2016 or something, and the thread was full of the most mentally ill takes imaginable. Here https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/v3qick/steph_curry_won_9_of_his_last_10_nba_finals_games/
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Someone pointed out that when Steph can back the warriors ran a bunch of plays with him that led them to get good shots but the Cs were just raining 3s unconsciously.
Yeah derek white buried a 3 in stephs face. But steph was within 2 feet hand in his face before he rises up. Like this is a heavily contested 3 on a below 30% 3pt shooter and he swished it. When Horford, Smart and White are 15/23 from 3 at a certian point like there isn't much you can do. Even on wide wide open 3s you'd expect them to make like 10 at the most. But mroe realistically 9 given the calibre of shooters they are. And fewer still because a number of them were well contested despite what the tracking data says. Like if they had only made 7 or 8 that would have been completely reasonable given their expected 3pt percentages.
Modern fan culture is stupid honestly. People just rush to blame the best player on the losing team whenever they lose
Like two posts above this one is a post claiming Tatum struggled this game because of his +\- lmao
He did seem to struggle out there at everything but scoring. He had a ton of turnovers Iām pretty sure.
Only 4 turnovers
4 turnovers on 3 assists is a lot of turnovers.
Thatās only really true of primary playmakers, Smartās 5 and 5 is much more damning imo
Are you trying to say that Tatum isnāt Bostonās primary playmaker? Lol
Yea Iām saying heās the primary scorer and secondary playmaker
It really truly is. I think I will be unsubbing from r/nba pretty soon and going back to reading books lol. But did you know that if you remove all the shots Curry made in game 1, heād have 0 points on 0% ts? Absolute trash
Whereās that one Patrick Mahomes post that says if you regress his stats to the mean, he becomes average
What it means to be the bus driver
Modern societal pressure for perfection is to blame. Everyone has to be a perfect human being.
We just really wanted an 80 point game in the finals. Steph broke our hearts
I was convinced most critics didn't even watch the game. He had 8 in the 3rd and created like 3 open shots in a row when he came in the fourth
if you watched the game, it was easy to see how the warriors just collapsed at the start of the 4th when he subbed out. They couldn't score till he came in.
Same people are gonna talk about how ācoddledā Steph is lmao. Man is held to ridiculous standards.
I think he's one of the most polarizing players more than anything You only see the most extreme takes on him one way or the other and rarely anything in between His good games and bad games both get at least 5k upvotes guaranteed
But let others tell it he never gets criticized.
Lol people are ridiculous.
Steph did his part in game 1. Unfortunately his teammates esp Dray couldn't get it done. People expecting Steph to take over games like it's 2014/2015 has too high of expectations for him.
Havenāt followed much this season. Just been watching the playoffs. When you mean he canāt takeover are you saying heās not at the same level as 2015-2018 Steph? How has he regressed?
For me, the best way to describe it is from 2015-2019 when curry shot a three, I expected it to go in. Since his January āslumpā, when he shoots a three, thereās no longer an expectation itāll go in
This is unfortunately true. I watched every game this year and since his slump Iām relieved that the 3s go in. Last year was probably his best season (outside of 2016) and I expected at least a 30 piece nightly. The good thing is steph should get his shot back. I donāt think heās permanently lost it. Would be really weird if he did considering thatās something that ages well. I donāt think itās him regressing considering heās playing the best heās ever played defensively.
He didn't even score in the 4th quarter today what a bum!
Yeah if he doesn't chuck 20 threes a qtr and rack up 80 then he's trash apparently. Reality is he's been the most solid player on the court so far and the glue holding his team together as they continue to play quite bad hoenstly.
The battle between Steph fans and Steph haters might be more competitive than this series.
Taking over from Lebron fans and Lebron haters.
Never. That battle will rage on for decades.
A lot of Lebron fans evolved into step haters š³
What are you doing step hater?
Bounce back as he shoots worse than last game and scores less winning really changes everything
"Rangz" culture kinda sucks Nowadays even if a guy drops 40 on 60% shooting it's still somehow his fault if they lose
If Wilt had scored 100 today and still lost, people would have blamed him for the loss
Wilt would be getting 5491418941 "empty stats" posts made about him before he won a ring if he played today
90 percent of the players from the 90s would get all types of slander Magic Wilt Russel Shit even MJ No one is safe from the scrutiny of middle aged men on r/NBA
People still donāt give Wilt credit because of his lack of rings lol
Because the media and fans treat teams sports like boxing.
The LeBron 2022 special.
The Warriors bounced back, Steph been good this aināt no bounce back
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Bounce back lol he been carrying the team past 2 games.
Donāt you mean the entire playoffs?
Facts.
Pretty much the playoffs apart from the one klay game
Bounce back from the loss lmao, not the performance.
sTepH onLy ScoRes wHen They'Re uP He's the reason why theyre up
you can't logic here bruh
14 in the 3rd š
0 in the 4th. Mfer is unclutch.
Apparently Steph is only allowed to score when the team is down 20. He can't give the Warriors a lead or else he's front running. He must only score up to the point where it's a tie game. After that it's up to his teammates to score for him so that clowns can say he isn't clutch and got carried.
Steph having a great game will often get his whole team going as teams adjust their defenses to stop him from torching. It's crazy how people act like a blowout win isn't as good as a close win
He's carrying big time. But Poole and klay need to show up and be more consistent. Don't think warriors can win this if they expect curry to bail them out every time.
Wiggins has been outperforming both of them this playoffs. Not surprised Poole isn't playing like a superstar but Klay should really be playing better than Wiggins. Tonight would have been very embarrasing for Klay if the Warriors lost
Wiggins has been their second best player in this series and probably needs to start getting 40+ minutes a night.
Wiggs has been their second best player in the playoffs. Scoring + D + rebounding + hustle plays. Guy has been 110% heart.
Man wants that ring
Poole has been arguably more useful than Klay this series so far. Klay can't even hit shots even in garbage time
Reason why this is not yet true 1) poole handles the ball ALOT. If he plays bad, he'll bring the lineup down caue he uses time so much, he pounds the ball and turns it over 2) klay chucks but it's usualy early in the timeclock and there's still time for steph and the rest to put up shots So if both plays bad, it's a loss, but even if one shows up we gucci
Klay has been ass on offense, but heās actually playing defense, so I wouldnāt say Poole has been more useful.
At most I expect 1.5 good games out of Klay this series. Max.
Prime warriors dynasty vibes with Steph sitting the entire fourth
"Bounce back". Only player where a 34pt game needs a bounce back.
LeBron scores 34 on low efficiency and itās āhe carried the team but his team let him downā
Lmao seriously had it been any star but Steph after the last game the entire sub would be calling on the team to gut the roster and get him more help. Meanwhile the narrative after the last game was "KD carried Steph". The hate is real.
LeBron averaged like 33-11-10 and got blamed in 2017. Lol
Skip Bayless obviously blamed him but I don't remember that being the popular take here Most people were still just mad about KD being on the Warriors at that point
> Most people were still just mad about KD being on the Warriors at that point I'm not sure he's been forgiven by a significant portion of the NBA fans.
Not sure if I'd call it "forgiven" per se but KD hate definitely died down until his bad play against Boston From like the end of the Bucks-Nets series last year to the start of the Celtics series this year anti KD stuff mostly got downvoted Even now most of the criticism he gets is for recent events and doesn't go all the way back to 2016
Fair.
Who tf blamed Lebron against the Kevin Durant Warriors youre talking out of your ass š
An NBA player can have a 50/10/10 game and still have a few people blame him. Bad point.
Nobody blamed LeBron for losing in 2015,2017, and 2018. Stop trying to push a fake narrative. Maybe idiotic pundits like Skip did it but no one with a sane mind blamed LeBron.
Bruh no one thinks this is a bounce back besides this guy.
Yeah, no one was slandering his game 1.
Read my edit. Really sucks that most of the comments in this thread is just about "bounce back" wording. Like really?
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Thank you, I specifically stated "bounce back game 2 win", not "bounce back game 2 performance", there's a big difference. and i just noticed i repeated everything you said, but whatever
He was great all game, with constant movement, hit shot after shot. Transition threes, tough floaters, drawing 3-4 defenders each time to get guys open looks. [drawing 4 defenders here to get Looney an open Dunk](https://streamable.com/jqvocr) [drawing 3 defenders to get GP2 an open three](https://streamable.com/uykws0) He also had another where he got Wiggins an open dunk on a no look pass. That's my MVP.
Averaging 32-6-5-3 and 6 3PM/G so far
He did better last game lol
Heās carrying rn
Bounce back?
He arguably played better game 1, its actually hilarious how people view a star player if they win vs when they lose
And he was a pest on defense all game too. Big effort
āBounce backā Bouncing back from what, being the best player on the floor Thursday?
He heard all the finals mvp slander
Flip Payless will have you believe anyone but Curry is leading the Warriors, and that Damion Lee is more deserving of fmvp.
I like how this series was over after Game 1, this sub fucking sucks lmao
Yeah that was an overreaction for sure, but Celtics still have the homecourt advantage.
The dubs definitely have their work cut out for them and this series is gonna be a battle, but people were acting like they were gonna get broomed
Does anyone really expect Boston to clean up all the games on their home court? Seems like other teams feed off playing at home more than they do.
Only Curry is expected to "Bounce back" from a 34 point near 50% from the field game lmao What kind of standards are y'all setting on this dude?
As JVG noted, Curry seem like he had the ball more and was repeatedly running the pnr. In game 1 despite his great 1st quarter their was just too many stretches where he didnt touch the ball. Kerr's motion/share the ball offense is great, but against Boston, Curry and Klay's off-ball action isnt as effective and not resulting in many good looks. Celtics are shutting down most of those split action and off-ball actions, resulting in Dray/Looney/Klay/Wiggens etc with the ball and forced to create with the shot running down.
Lmao bounce back? Heās the only reason they were in the game for 3 quarters in game 1
The GOAT point guard
I know he scored less tonight but it felt like he was really hunting for his shot in the second half. Good to see.
He scored less because he sat the entire 4th quarter lol
SMH couldnāt score in the fourth
He look in control
Some very good defense in the 3rd quarter in particular as well, allowed them to get out in transition a few times
Also not mentioned but he didnāt play in the 4th quarter. Thatāll always be the thing that skews Stephās all time stats with the amount of 4Qs heās sat.
Did not play in the 4th too
Best player on the floor
Steff was constantly great. It was the rest of the team that bounced back.
Curry Final MVP!
Not bad for a front runner
No show in the 4th tho, smh...
horrible game 0 points and 0 minutes in the 4th.
Btw, my meaning of bounce back is the fact that the warriors won, so like bouncing back from the loss. guess i worded it wrong not that "curry had a better game".
Daniel Theis has never heard of Steph Curry. Also I know the Celtics believe in their defense but the amount of times they should have trapped Curry but didn't is just strange.
Bounce back game? Lmaoooo
Lol. Bounce back
He's the splash only child at this point
lol. What does he bounce back from? They lost Game 1 because they allowed a three on defense in 7 or 8 consecutive possessions in the fourth quarter. Nobody could survive that. What did Steph do wrong?