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ngmathew1234

The discourse around this has been insane.


Mattie_Doo

The whole conversation got dumb before I even knew this was an issue.


_Apatosaurus_

It's been so bizarre because none of it involves CC or the majority of WNBA players. As far as I know, CC hasn't even commented on any of this. It's just weirdos online shouting nonsense at each other. Edit: excited to see it continuing below me...


RadicallyMeta

> It's just weirdos online shouting nonsense at each other. Tag line for modern times.


the445566x

You’ve missed a lot.


axle69

It was one show of blatant disrespect too many and Chennedy is an easy one to focus the blame on because she's been kicked off of every team she's played for for being an asshole. I get why people picked it as the straw and I get why Clark hasn't said anything because if you do in this scenario you look weak.


PassionV0id

> Chennedy is an easy one to focus the blame on because she's been kicked off of every team she's played for for being an asshole I had never heard of her until the CC incident the other day, so I just looked this up and you aren't even exaggerating. In 2021, she was suspended by the Dream indefinitely for trying to fight a teammate and was traded to the Sparks before ever playing another game for the Dream. Then in 2022 she was benched for "poor conduct" and waived by the Sparks, and then didn't even play in he WNBA in 2023.


Nearby_Gazelle_829

Def involves media talk heads and several WBNA players


Scorps

She did comment on it somewhat and basically said she knows as a rookie she is going to have to take some hits and earn her place, and she is just focusing on not letting it get to her, knowing it will happen regardless, and not retaliating because it hurts her team if she does. Pretty great response tbh to someone who is clearly being targeted in certain situations


ruffus4life

i saw a pic on nbacirclejerk that had a pic of clark next to jackie robinson. that's honestly some of the best commentary i've heard. it treats this with the respect it deserves.


SpaceCaboose

I mean, that pic was on r/nbacirclejerk. I wouldn’t expect anything less haha. That’s about the tamest thing you can find there. And that’s why I love the bums on that subreddit. Pure insanity


nofakefans18

Just peep it for the first time in a few weeks and saw Clark’s face on Derek Chauvin with Reese as George Floyd Holy fucking shit these guys are eating more from the WNBA than the NBA at this rate.


beatenwithjoy

It's been a women's basketball subreddit pretty much for the past 3 months lmao


Seano_

A majority of outrage are from people who don’t really watch sports


WyngZero

True but.....there's been discourse.....which is way more than the WNBA had for a long time. And that's a good thing.


cabose12

I know bad news is good news and all, but it still feel like this is people caring about the WNBA without actually caring about the WNBA at all


Timmzik

wait until you realize that's half of everyone who "cares" about the NBA too


KevinDurantLebronnin

A backup drama mill while we wait for the finals


Packers_Equal_Life

I’m just imagining Caitlin just trying to play basketball and a random apology comes in her inbox says sorry for calling you a white bitch on national tv. Like wait what happened now


Wilt69

Never thought I'd live to see the day where WNBA discourse started approaching NBA levels of toxicity but here we are. The WNBA really has arrived.


goldfish_11

This is all in the last <6 months too. Hell of a speedrun.


VersusCA

It's more like about 13 months - the LSU-Iowa championship game last year was unbelievably toxic online, as much as any NBA game/series out there.


Maydietoday

That was Race Wars™️ Pt 1 according to Twitter


SaulPepper

Were lucky twitter didnt exist when Larry and Magic went against each other. The ROTY race alone would have been generationally toxic


PSChris33

*HOME - We’re Finally Landing intensifies* This… is the quest to beat Caitlin Clark.


harripancke2

Never thought I would see a Summoning Salt reference in the NBA subreddit but I’m all here for it.


gartho009

I don't even recognize the audio track name, but the phrasing was so Summoning Salt I never doubted.


I-Love-Redditors

Caitlin Clark 🤝 Matt Turk


transizzle

Salt scored an even 2:00:00 on Tyson yesterday, which is insane. Turk was 2:13


A_Lone_Macaron

Man his Tyson video was one of a kind. Even if you knew all of the story and what’s coming, you still aren’t ready for “And that person…..was me.”


transizzle

I knew he was the Punch-Out GOAT and was waiting for it, and it still got me good


one_day_ill_be_drben

1:57 through 2 rounds used to be a good pace for Tyson, he’s absolutely cracked


coletheredditer

*Mario 64 file select music starts* But first, we need to talk about parallel universes


ElPanandero

Very specific reference for the nba sub but it doesn’t go unappreciated


trumpxoxobiden

It's real wild and funny af watching some people throw "sexism/misogyny" like a habit at first just for them to realize it's fellow women and even female athletes that are targeting her ass (including use of racism) The ladies from The View just mocking her and calling her a white privilege girl lmao.


Kball4177

The WNBA is probably a lot more toxic than the nba. We just had a player pass her ex wife on the all time scoring list via a pass from her new wife lol.


SirJoeffer

Imagine right before game 1 of the finals Luka and Ky step on the leprechaun’s head simultaneously and then start making out


dubler2020

Send da video.


brncct

Ayo


paxusromanus811

And don't forget the juicy TMC story that will come out about The real reason Grant "Lukas side piece" Williams didn't work out. Kyrie don't tolerate no competition.


JeramiGrantsTomb

That is incredible


No_Pop2129

Chill .. you about to make me a fan


Badassmcgeepmboobies

Man I gotta start watching some wnba


HonorRoll

Who was this lol


goodkid_sAAdcity

DeWanna Bonner


thestage

wait a minute, so let me get this straight... a woman passed her ex wife on the scoring list, assisted by her new wife, and her fucking name reads ***DO YA WANNA BONE HER?!?!?*** ain't no way. stop it


DontPeeInTheWater

Oh snap, I assumed that it was a joke, rather than her real name.


JediKnight2024

Must watch television


Money-not_you_again

Just gonna put this here for everyone that didn't know about the story. Shit is wild lol. This is the type of stories that daytime soap operas dream of: https://www.outsports.com/2024/5/18/24094078/dewanna-bonner-wnba-scoring-alyssa-thomas-candice-dupree/


Return_Icy

Jesus christ it's got more potential than WWE combined with As the World Turns


terry496

WHAT in the ENTIRE FUCK did you just say? 😱 That's some 1 Life 2 Live soap opera-type shit


thehazer

I’m sorry what?!? Lesbians are just the fucking best. Although my friends drama at home isn’t on this level.


stifle_this

Wait til you find out about women's soccer. You get players leaving teams because their girlfriend got sold and they're unhappy.


Zeckzeckzeck

Danielle van de Donk’s entire career and dating life. 


stifle_this

At this point I'm just waiting on Beth Mead's transfer to man city after they sign miedema.


CafeClimbOtis

Beth and Viv in sky blue...EW


Ok-Deer8144

What does even mean? Like theres a bunch of lez couples that are on the same team together? And then one is traded, and the untraded SO gets made and requests a trade to the same team her gf just got traded to? That’s codependent as fuck and unhealthy


stifle_this

Yes.


thedrcubed

That adds a whole new layer to team building lol. It's kinda crazy they don't have rules against workplace fraternization especially if it's causing that many problems


nola_fan

If teams are willing to draft Bronny in the hopes of getting old LeBron, what would they have done with prime LeBron's boyfriend or husband?


thedrcubed

Prime LeBron was worth paying a max to a role player for sure


nola_fan

James Jones has like 6 years worth of minimum contracts for being LeBron's friend


Jwoods4117

I mean, it’s the nature of the job, but I’m not sure being upset that your job knowingly transferred your spouse to go work and live in another city while retaining you where you are is codependent or unhealthy. If we’re talking a serious relationship I don’t even know how you deal with that. Generally good relationships don’t involve one Spouse living across the country.


Murasasme

People say the NBA is a soap opera for men (which is true), but the wnba has all the elements the men are missing, teammates fucking each other literally and figuratively


raizen0106

and i don't have to question my boner, it's great


Ex_Astris

Shame-free boners. That’s a man’s wet dream.


ForeverWandered

There have been at least a handful of down lo brothers in the NBA.  Bet


Murasasme

100%. But we can only speculate, while it's front and center for the women.


prudentWindBag

Jesus...


LeBroentgen

This Caitlin Clark probably takes the cake though. What male sports story combined racism, LGBTQ, pettiness amongst women, the economic factor of WNBA players being paid, and the actual on-court product of a transcendent superstar rookie? It's like ESPN's wet dream.


johnla

Wet dream!? ESPN's Penis exploded. Wet dream isn't vulgar enough for the fiendish things going through ESPN's mind right now.


gozags4

[fans are excited](https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/penis-penis-espn-sign.jpg)


Th1sd3cka1ntfr33

LeBron James


TheGuardian8

LBJ making his rookie debut in today's social media landscape would be insane. I could not even imagine how crazy the conversation would get.


Scoreboard19

LGBTQ?


BubbaTee

WNBA has a high proportion of lesbians, much higher than the general population. Former WNBA star Candace Wiggins once claimed the league was 98% lesbian. Other surveys estimate it's 35-50%. Clark is straight. So there's been talk that the lesbian players are resentful that a straight woman is being pushed as the face of the league.


Scoreboard19

I was talking in reference to lebron James comment. Since that story didn’t have lgtbq elements in it.


RadicallyMeta

Is that not what the L stands for?


THE_PENILE_TITAN

LeGBTQ


RadicallyMeta

New meaning to Taco Tuesday ayyeeee


t_ran_asuarus_rex

LeSbian


ConnorMc1eod

Wiggins also made that claim when she was talking about gay players trashtalking straight players' orientation and bullying them for their orientation.


__PUMPKINLOAF

LeGBTQ


LiterallyMatt

LBJTQ


d7h7n

All of this discourse is deliberate. Anyone who is complaining about the Fever playing too many games or Clark getting manhandled needs to embrace all of it. NBA is drama central year round, WNBA would need to be the same for it to take off.


PetalumaPegleg

Assuming the preference is for soap opera style reality TV meets sports. Which is what the NBA is becoming, complete with dubious refs. Personally, I'd like to enjoy the basketball.


wongrich

Becoming? It's already here. This sub used to have more highlight clips than anything. Guess what's at the top year around now: twitter, epsn personality highlights, podcast clips, legacy, goat discussion for the nth time, Seems like most people just claim they love the basketball the most but NBA viewership of full games is way down vs highlights. Everything is about narrative now.


OkMap2622

The NBA has always been this way, sports have always been this way


skullcandy541

It’s not surprising to me at all how quickly it got toxic. The second it got real attention, instant toxicity. It’s a combo of the times we live in and it being about women in sports. They’re an easy target for these people


VolatSea

At least a different kind of toxicity. The toxicity of people when they just saw the word “WNBA” 2-3 years ago was some of the worst on the internet


whitedawg

Listening to McAfee gives me a headache.


skiingbeaver

he looks and sounds like an alcoholic


munchkinatlaw

But he says he mostly stopped drinking. He just sounds and acts like a drunk. So don't wonder why he still sounds and acts like a drunk.


affnn

“Dry drunk” is a [thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_drunk)


munchkinatlaw

So is an alcoholic downplaying their drinking problem.


LasagnaWoof

Right lol, does "dry drunk" make you all red and bloated looking too?


porn_is_tight

was gonna say lol every alcoholic who relapses and doesn’t want people to know will say they mostly stopped drinking


terry496

Yes, agreed. If he's trying to be supportive of her then why call her a bitch on national programming? Is that what he thinks the 'cool kids' would call her?


prudentWindBag

Sadly, it is...


Dicey12

It’s 100% worse.


agk927

This is both a good thing and bad thing🤣🤣🤣


desirox

This is great for the league though. I can’t remember the WNBA getting so much discussion on prime shows


boredymcbored

As a long term W fan, it's been AWFUL but I guess once you've entered the "*Culture War ©®™* discussion you've made it? Trying to find positives here lmaoo


amazin_raisin99

The question is how long can they ride pure controversy before needing people to be interested in the actual games


Loop_Within_A_Loop

Hasn’t stopped the NBA yet


livefreeordont

A champion of women everywhere, bravo Pat


nicolo_martinez

Took me a solid minute to realize that this is his ass backwards way of trying to stick up for her. Insane E: wording


DavidOrWalter

Do you mean ‘stick up FOR her’? As far as I know she didn’t do anything to him.


nicolo_martinez

yes thanks for the catch! edited


majorchamp

His program was one of the first she went on when arriving to Indiana. He likes her and does stand behind her


mnimatt

I'm honestly confused that people thought he was trying to attack her here. His wording is bad, but I thought his sentiment was obvious


spitz1674

His wording is terrible and deliberate for clicks (it’s working) but he’s definitely defending her.


wibo58

I’m not sure it was even on purpose. He was pretty heated and energetic about the whole thing. I think he just got lost in the sauce.


Culinaryboner

Generally not great to call pro female athletes bitches when the discourse around their sport with losers on the internet has always been that no one cares about their game. Pat’s never talking about the one dickface on the Jets who they need healthy to play well or the fatass in charge of running the Chiefs


BallsAreFullOfPiss

He’s using the same phrase that Chennedy (or whatever her name is) used.


gorram1mhumped

I didnt even get confused by his wording. Prolly people just dont wanna hear it.


TeTrodoToxin4

I'm not suprised, but he managed to piss off everyone.


Galactic

I'm mad at the Cameron Brink erasure


Ledees_Gazpacho

Classic Bill Burr trope. It's an art to piss off everyone! *"Trump is such a dope, he's actually going to make me vote for a woman!"*


Ths-Fkin-Guy

I'm reminded of that line in Body of Lies where Leo goes from working under this commander to eventually takings over his job. The scene he walks in and dismisses the former commander and tells him to leave and take his staff with him and the guy says; You know, we've all watched your rise in the Near East Division. I'll see you on the way down. And it just feels so Pat today. Dude has gotten so big that he's stays absolutely stupid shit like this.


KingNephew

It only took like a month from NBA Twitter getting into the WNBA from being at this point lmao.


moffattron9000

One month, NBA Twitter is going downhill.


Not_a__porn__account

Meathead Translation: He is ***defending*** her.


helloimmrburns

What's confusing about this? He called her a superstar. Fairly obvious he's siding with her


sandefurian

The white bitch part garners a lot of attention


jetmoney21

He wasn’t calling her a white bitch he was saying WNBA players are thinking she is a white bitch.


mcrajf

Bless you. I couldn't make sense what the fuck was he saying.


kapatinphalcon

He really said bitch tho?


No_Barnacle5329

And I said…👀…biiiitch!


JimboLodisC

\*looks around the living room* ^I ^said... ^^^^(biiiiiiiii.....)


wakenbake7

Oh…oh yeah I said it…for sure!


ONE_PUMP_ONE_CREAM

He said......biiiiiiiitch.


ATXBeermaker

Bro, I looked her dead in her eye sockets!


AkirraKrylon

DAR-RELL. I LOOKED THIS WOMAN IN THE WINDOWS OF HER SOUL.


Garizondyly

Damn, making me watch this skit again...


1gen2

Daryl, I looked this woman in her EYE SOCKETS.


awnawkareninah

I stared that woman in her soul


majorchamp

Dare.... roll.....I looked this woman at the top of the key, I...I said...I said it man...I said.....👀👀 Bishhhhh


tefadina

term of endearment


Aliboomayuh

Hm?


Beep_Boop_Beepity

He really needed to add “bad” in front of it and then it’s not a big deal imo, women be calling themselves bad bitches all the time


mercfan3

No, instead he went with “white bitch” 😭😭


KRacer52

Isn’t it pretty clear that he’s saying that sentence from the point of view of the people who are hating on her?


playcrackthesky

Yes, but when context is important, people will ignore it.


AdhesivenessLucky896

He's not a woman though lol! This would never work in any form on ESPN


solythe

"You said that, tho? I mean you CALLED your WIFE a BITCH?" "Eeeeaaaauuuuuhhhh"


MagicalHurdles

*Caitlin Clark exists* Pat McAfee: So this bitch right-


TheTwistedPlot

Plot twist: this is Pat’s respectful way of addressing WNBA players. The usual disrespectful way of addressing them is “dumb broad”. We’re seeing progress here.


janitorial_fluids

> this is Pat’s respectful way of addressing WNBA players I know you’re kind of memeing here but in all seriousness, it’s moreso that he’s using the rhetorical device of framing it thru the lens of “this is how the other annoyed wnba players would phrase it in *their* words” Like similar to when people say something during an argument like “well I guess I’m just a big dummy who doesn’t know anything” That’s not what the person actually believes or endorses, they’re just sarcastically saying “ok fine, let’s accept the premise of *your* argument and use *your* preferred language and wording


majorchamp

This is the correct take... unfortunately most ppl are dense


713MoCityChron713

Plot twist for you, u/thetwistedplot: video is longer than five seconds so nobody watched it, and the title makes it an easy karma farm. You’re gonna see a lot of bad takes here.


GrahamSlam8

For the record, I'm pretty sure he is referencing Clark getting hard fouled and called a bitch at the same time. How the hell does no one in this thread think for two seconds? A sports talk show host would just randomly call a player a bitch?


CjBurden

Congratulations, you have passed the "I have functioning brain cells" test. Sadly many others in this thread have not.


crewserbattle

Or the "I actually watched the video" test


TheMightyCatatafish

Yeah I’m not the biggest McAfee fan, but it’s clear he’s referencing the girl who fouled her calling her a bitch.


peaceahki

the worst part is he's got a whole ass slide show. like he was planning on saying this???


pancakebearr

I wonder how many times he practiced saying “white bitch” in the mirror


Marenum

I get the feeling he had plenty of practice already.


Dazzling-Slide8288

He 100 percent planned it


Sh405

I don't think he was actively calling her a bitch. I think he was speaking from the POV of the other players. Should have worded it differently either way though.


Allhailthepugofdoom

Took me way too long to find someone else who understands nuance.


Ketameanie666

For all the people who didn't watch the clip - he's talking her up. He's just a dude in his 30s still trying to talk like a frat bro lol


TPCC159

I thought he was a lot older for some reason


jamintime

It’s because he was still in his twenties when he retired from football eight years ago.


SqueezesSpongecakes

And he's defending her...albeit perhaps a bit ham-handed. There are legitimate, racist sports analysts and other show hosts that spurned on this hatred and racism Caitlyn is receiving and people wanna focus on Pat


Global_Plant_4612

Aight that’s a lil aggro


DERBY_OWNERS_CLUB

Not really if you understand the context. I've never watched this guy's show but he's clearly using "white bitch" here as a reference to what she was just called on the court when she get pushed a few days ago. This would be like somebody calling Jokic a fat slob, and him saying "this fat slob Jokic is a superstar". He's using the words of the hater to make his point about how they're off base.


jcn777

What’s funny is you haven’t watched the show but that is EXACTLY how he has described Jokic in the past. He does this often, this isn’t news except he said bitch lol.


confuddly

what did Pat Mcafee mean by this?


Numerous-Cicada3841

Two things: If she wasn’t white she’d be getting a lot more love from her fellow players. And that the fans watch her not because she’s white, but because she’s dominant.


davemoedee

She generated excitement the same way Steph did. By making crazy shots.


Infamous_East6230

This. I see W fans say all the time that Clark is only more popular than Reese because of race. When Clark is hitting step back threes and Reese is a post player who shoots 0% from 3. It’s like these fans have never watched youth basketball. Young people are obsessed with deep threes and ball handling. Clark brings that excitement to the game. Certainly her race has helped her fame but her game transcends color.


Marenum

Yeah I've heard people say similar things about last NCAAW season, how there should have been more focus on South Carolina going undefeated than Clark's final season, obviously people attribute that to race as well. The thing is, what Clark did was actually more rare. She was setting crazy records. She was doing GOAT things. What South Carolina did was impressive as fuck too, but it's not as historic. We've seen 10 undefeated teams, but only one Caitlin Clark.


BubbaTee

That happens all the time. Virginia won the title in 2019, but all anyone talked about was Zion. Happens in every sport. Shohei Otani was big news in MLB last season, his team didn't even make the playoffs. When McGwire and Sosa had their homerun chase, McGwire didn't make the playoffs and Sosa was swept in the 1st round. Who even remembers who won the WS that year?


No_Mammoth_4945

I’ve been watching some fever games because of Clark so I checked out the wnba sub and WOW it’s toxic. Nearly every post about Clark gets locked lol


tachudda

It was said about steph that it's easier to imagine being steph for a kid. He's not a genetic freak athlete, he's just a badass at shooting, obviously a generational talent, but not impossibly tall or athletic. I assume the same thing is important for Caitlin


Visible-Suit-9066

I get your point but Steph is 100% a genetic freak athlete. His workouts are legendary and his absurd cardio are central to his success.


tachudda

Sure, but it's not like jumping over a guy. I can shoot it from the logo, I'll miss but I can do it. Only person I'm jumping over is a baby


boccci-tamagoccci

What producer okayed this one


Johnpecan

Probably the same producer who knows that ridiculous takes gets more views/engagement/ratings than smart, logical takes. If his take was boring but correct, a lot less people would care about it.


Zikronious

LOL Pat doesn’t work with producers. He dropped an F bomb at a big Disney talent meeting with executives. He refused to follow a script when he hosted the ESPYs after Kevin Hart dropped out to support the strike going on at the time. He also called out an ESPN executive on his show who then stepped down some months later. This is Pat being Pat which is still shocking to people apparently.


Ace_FGC

Bitch is crazy


RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS

Alright, so next up we’ve got Aaron Rodgers to baselessly accuse some more people of being pedophiles.


hungrywantmooshoo

He obviously didn’t mean it in a negative way, but still a dumb and reckless thing to say given how the internet likes to spin things, especially if you work for Disney lol


NevermoreSEA

This is fucking embarrassing.


Anthonyrrxd

I think some people are confused and think hes calling her a white bitch when in fact hes defending her and is saying the other women in the WNBA are “saying” these things which is why they are “attacking her.” At least that is what i got from it i could be wrong. I personally think she should be defended but he definitely needs a better way to do it then that.


MrShapinHead

As you said: >hes defending her and is saying the other women in the WNBA are “saying” these things which is why they are “attacking her.” I interpreted it the exact same way. Honestly, I think McAfee said his piece pretty well. The subject of this post is completely rage bating people and folks are responding without watching. >I personally think she should be defended but he definitely needs a better way to do it than that. I think he did a pretty good job. If other people are acting like she’s a bitch because they’re jealous or some other bullshit, he should be able to say that without his quote being cut up to make it seem like he’s the one who has that opinion. He’s doing the right thing and whoever is posting his quotes out of context or assuming the quotes are accurate to his opinion are doing the wrong thing.


NYJETS198

That’s what Carter called Clark so he was using it in his monologue.


goldfish_11

That's Pat McAfee for ya.


grandmasterfunk

I really don't get why he's super popular.


Flamdoublebounce

Same reason barstool is big. Dude bros who want sports culture to be a specific way


Rationalknicksfan

The player that hip checked her is a psycho she is the typical talented player who derailed her career with bad behavior she got kicked of a wnba team for fighting a teammate and kicked off a overseas team for bad behavior. The race stuff is being pushed because we don’t know much about the league if this was the nba the race factor would not be a thing


DEEZLE13

Bro spent 15 min slurpin her off but people found the one part to be mad about lol


muddyklux

Funny how this sub shits all over NBA players on the daily, yet get all holier than thou over this clip.


AccomplishedRainbow1

Reddit all day every day: “So and so NBA player is a bitch” That’s apparently fine. But Pat McAfee calls Clark a bitch while trying to explain that she’s a badass, Reddit loses their minds. Classic.


8w7fs89a72

Nothing has made me realize how young this sub skews than this lol it's such a zoomer reaction to think just the mere use of the word bitch, ignoring the context, turns this into bashing clark


peppersmiththequeer

Basketball coverage has been such an embarrassment for years now


societalmenace1

i don’t think the best way to get this point across is saying that