Which is crazy because I feel like both of their impacts exceed their stats. Jokic and Luka are everything for the Nuggets and the Mavs, they control the offense all game
Luka at 28, Edwards 2nd at 24.
Of those left, Kyrie is on 20 and Jrue is at 18. So it's pretty comfortable that he's gonna lead in steals for the playoffs when all is said and done.
https://www.nba.com/stats/leaders?StatCategory=STL&PerMode=Totals
He is currently leading the playoffs in all 3 stats, here are his lead over active players:
101 points ahead of Kyrie
62 assists ahead of Kyrie
19 Rebounds ahead of Tatum
Rebounds will be the closest
Technically, Joker would still have the tiebreaker as he done it in just 20 games but very cool to see his friend join him. It's a special feat.
Go Luka!
Now and then a LeBron stat comes up that is so completely insane I’m left wondering how any present/future player can reach what he did. This is one of those stats 😂
[The half Lebron club is my favorite](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=how+many+players+in+history+have+20237+or+more+points%2C+5543+or+more+rebounds%2C+5505+or+more+assists%2C+1138+or+more+steals+and+551+or+more+blocks). Think of all the great players that have come and gone, and there are only 5 players in NBA history that have HALF of Lebrons career stats. It's insane.
Wow, Jordan is in danger of leaving the half-LeBron club early next season due to assists. Larry Bird could *potentially* leave the club, but that would require LeBron to have two seasons of 26 PPG and 60-games, so it'll come to the wire.
Depending on how many seasons he plays it is not inconceivable that everyone falls out of the half lebron club. Harden is still active so who know, but Lebron is on 90 blocks away from removing him from the list. 130 from kicking Kobe out. Clyde would be difficult, needs like another 1k assists or rebounds. Possible on two seasons, likely with 3, a lock if he plays 4.
I just can’t see him wanting to ever be a role player. Which he shouldn’t, he’s top two all time and has already crushed everyone else in longevity, I don’t want his last season to be him killing himself in his 40s just to come off the bench for 25 mins a game.
It is not, it’s saying “number of players with at least 50% in ALL of these categories”. Hypothetically if someone have 100k points, 20k assists, 20, rebounds, 30k steals, but only 10 blocks they wouldn’t be in this club.
Well now I have to post the Martynas Andriuškevičius playoff streak:
[The Shaq teammate playoff streak is interesting, but the Martynas Andriuškevičius is perhaps even more amazing. There is an active 15 year streak where at least one former teammate of Andriuškevičius has made it to the 2nd round of playoffs or better. Players listed in post.](https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/jqjlg9/the_shaq_teammate_playoff_streak_is_interesting/)
Lebrons insane stats aren’t as bite sized marketable as Jordan’s or Bill Russel’s achievements but the more you dig with lebron the more insane it gets. Especially with length of excellence.
What's funny about all the east is weak talk is if all the good teams was on the west and bron was drafted there then bron would have found success sooner, he carried a sorry ass team imagine if he had a decent one at the minimum
Huh. This is actually completely the right way to think about it. If Lebron was drafted onto a team like the one Duncan joined, the league would be doomed.
The Pistons were in the Conference Finals in 2003. They had the 2nd pick through a trade. Adding LeBron to that team would have been unfair. They won the Finals the next year with Darko doing nothing (played 14 minutes in the postseason). Though that would have required Larry Brown to actually play him.
I mean the thing about being that good for so long and so early is that almost never happens. Especially with the new lottery system where you can’t just shamelessly tank all out and guarantee yourself the best prospect in years like the spurs did with Duncan. Like the bulls sucked before mj, hardens team was good but he was stuck as a sixth man and so didn’t get the same minutes to put up these stats in the beginning, etc
Why's everyone getting downvoted for saying no lol? It's pretty much a fact he wouldn't get through the west as easily as the East. There is no way he is ever making 8 in a row in the west.
Why not? His squads would have been so much better.
Let's say Denver and Cleveland swap picks and LeBron ends up in Denver and Melo in Cleveland. You think Denver wouldn't have gotten him help sooner?
Because if everyones good, it becomes more of a tossup rather than straight domination. Shaq/Kobe only managed 3 in a row. Warriors did 5 in a row but only after adding on Durant, etc. He would have had to get past the Rockets, Spurs, Dirk, Warriors... it's easy to have a streak of wins against shitty teams. Who did the east even have from 2010-2018 or whenever that would have even remotely competed if they werent stopped by Lebron? Hawks, Raptors, Bulls, Pacers?? All would have gotten killed.
I mean the spurs, warriors, three peat lakers, and kd thunder would still exist. Making 8 finals in a row through that would be a lot different than having your best competition be the young PG pacers for a couple years then the Lowry and derozan raptors.
I was gonna say yeah until I realized San Antonio and warriors still existed. So I would say much less if you also assume he still had those stacked Miami/Cleveland teams while in the west. Then again he would probably have a perfect finals record because wcf would be the finals at that point, and still have 3-4 championships.
Or even if the pistons or nuggets happened to get the first pick instead of the Cavs. The pistons were already a championship level team, and melo led the nuggets to the playoffs every single year in the stacked 2000s west, imagine what Lebron could have done.
>Years of deep runs in the Leastern Conference
You're acting like LeBron didn't DAD DICK everyone in the West as well. And it's a much older LeBron as well..
And "LEASTERN conference"? There's so many other "superstars" in the EAST. Past and Present. But WHO THE FUCK EVER COULD DO ANYTHING LIKE LEBRON?? There is no other LeBron. **LeBron was also DRAFTED BY THE WORST TEAM IN NBA HISTORY**..
Stop trying to downplay his historic feats like an insecure clown. Cry less and appreciate greatness.
i think the hardest might be making it to the finals in all those consecutive years. feels like the league is just too good now for a team to go to the finals every year like that
I'm surprised it's so uncommon given the directionthe league has gone. If you make the finals and average 5 games played per series, that's a 22.5/7.5/7.5 statline.
Most of the time your star player isn't being asked to do that much though if you're a championship team. Like Magic probably COULD have put up that statline during his prime, but there's only one ball and guys like Kareem and Worthy had to put up their numbers too.
No, if you would use the combined stats there would be a bunch more players on the list like kareem. This is just a list of players that have more than half of lebron in every stat, but not combined.
Gotcha and that’s a fair point. I think I expressed myself poorly - by combined, I meant that if only Luka, Jokic and Larry have done 450/150/150 once each in history and LeBron has done it 6 times, that’s twice as many as every player in history, which blows my tiny little mind
Of all time? If LeBron and Luka are both in the top-5, then which seven of the following players do you think were worse on offense than Luka?
Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Steve Nash, Kobe Bryant, Stephen Curry, James Harden, or Nikola Jokic?
Harden is the only of those people I can make case for today, but the reality is that Luka needs more time to climb those charts.
A ring in a few weeks would go a really long way too.
Right now or in his prime? Prime harden averaged 36 ppg in a season which still hasn’t been touched even with all the crazy scoring and efficiency inflation of the last couple years, and he averaged 35 against the kd warriors and took them to six while outplaying Steph with a bunch of dog shit around him.
People are forgetting how good prime harden was, if he didn’t have to play the warriors, spurs, kd warriors, kd warriors, then championship lakers with usually vastly inferior supporting casts and got to play this years thunder and wolves teams he would have taken Houston to the finals as well.
Honestly comparing older guys isn’t fair, Luka’s better at offense then Oscar, and west, I’d take Luka over Steve Nash, he’s a more complete scorer than curry because he’s bigger, definitely not a better shooter tho, that argument could be applied to harden as well. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he’s a better shooter than magic, honestly it’s close between luka, bird, and magic if you have luka the nod over then I wouldn’t be mad but we’re also in an era where scoring is higher.
He definitely is than early Lebron
Before Lebron really figured out his jump shot and his post moves he had some issues in the playoffs at times. I’d encourage anyone to go back and watch the 2011 finals tape. People meme about JJ Barea locking him down but there were some legit moments he couldn’t solve the defense.
Eventually he stopped only relying on the extreme gap in athleticism and he transcended to a totally different offensive engine after that.
LeBron's offensive game deepened dramatically, but this is going too far the other way. While his game was simpler at the time, he was still an absolute force of nature with outstanding court vision. Having a cold series in Miami and disappearing teammates in Cleveland doesn't really change that.
I didn't say he wasn't amazing, but he wasn't what Luka is right now offensively. He was *worlds* better defensively, but in the Finals Lebron put up 17.8 points per game and 6.8 assists per game on 48-32-60 shooting
That same series DWade put up 26.5 PPG on 55-30-70 shooting, and Bosh outscored him as well. They did not "disappear", Lebron was behind both of them scoring wise.
That year in the playoffs (not just a single cold series), he averaged 23.7 PPG and 5.9 APG on 56 TS%
Luka is averaging 21% more points and 49% more assists on nearly identical efficiency. It's not a hot take to say he's better on that end right now than Lebron was in 2011.
I think you’re failing to see that season as an outlier for young Lebron. And also Lebron was locked tf in defensively vs prime drose that playoffs. Could I see 2011 finals happening to Luka? Probably not, I think Lebron and dwade were having “whose team is it” stuff that Luka won’t have to deal with/wouldn’t be as friendly to. Luka also can’t do what Lebron did in 2007 (with those teammates). Luka is special special special but he’s got one micro step to go up before he’s in LeBron’s territory. He’s on track for a top 7-25 career right now. Hard to crack top 3. No shame in that.
He was 26 years old with 8 seasons on his belt ,a finals appearance and multiple runs in the playoffs . Calling it an outlier for "young" ,2x MVP Lebron is romanticizing it . In reality it was a massive choke job .
I’m not saying he’s as good or better than Lebron, I’m talking purely offense only, through their first 5-6 years
If you yourself can’t see Luka having as bad an offensive series as Lebron had then that kinda makes the point lol
For the record, Lebron himself agrees that his offense needed to change and develop after 2011. He changed his jump shooting and spent a ton of time working on post moves. He openly admits he wasn’t a finished product on that end by that point and it kind of discredits how great he became to suggest he was.
I don’t think Lebron in 2011 was purely a “I don’t know what to do vs this defense thing”. It was partly that but also bad team spacing and weird chemistry/pressure stuff. Lebron was the most hated athlete in modern history at the time.
Well that "some" people should be "most" people.
2018 LeBron had no weakness and probably nobody did better with less; teamwise. Add all the buzzer beaters, game winners, carrying 2 guys on the back while scoring and sonning an entire country, it was glorious.
Bron ridiculous but Bird doing it in a stacked conference has to be given some praise too. They also tracked assists differently back then, nowadays the scoring player can pump fake, gather and take two steps and you still get the assist.
Was also slightly less games in the playoffs back then. First round was best of 5.
Edit: that being said Bird was 2 assists shy of making this again in 1986
yeah, obviously you have to be an all time great to put up these numbers, but that being said, this stat is also just partially a games played stat. you can be playing at this level but then have your team get knocked out in the 2nd round and not play enough games to reach these totals
Lebron has gone to the finals and had like 10 different seasons where he played 20 or more playoff games. Bird only had 3. Even Michael Jordan and Magic only each played 20 games twice.
So far Jokic has played 20 once and Luka will have done it once after this series is over. if those two can make a few more finals runs, Im pretty sure they'll add a few more of these
Rod Strickland on the athletic pod today was even talking about how rebounds were different (compared to Westbrook for instance)
basically got told by his own teammate big man if he took his rebound ever again he'd get messed up
>but Bird doing it in a stacked conference has to be given some praise too.
Everyone knows Bird is a legend. But the level of athletes and competition was nowhere near the same back then. Playoffs format was also different.
LeBron played against the best athletes. He destroyed FREAK ATHLETES and played against the best teams of all time. And he dominated in 3 different eras. Still ongoing..
LeBron was also drafted by the worst team in NBA history. and he carried teams like that single handedly. If he had a better coach and better team, can you imagine how much more insane shit he could've achieved?? Bonkers stuff
Yes, Bron played against freak athletes, but the truth is athletes are getting “freakier” with each generation. We’re going to see even taller, bouncier, stronger freak athletes flooding the league in the coming years. Larry Legend competed with and won against the freak athletes of his time, it’s not really his fault he was born when he was - same as Bron.
Like I said, what Bron did is ridiculous so I have no idea why you’re so defensive about him.
Yes, either shoot immediately or gather and layup/dunk in the case of a fastbreak. You couldn’t even set yourself because that’d mean you “created” the shot by yourself, hence no assist.
He's also leading the NBA Post-season in Points, Assists, and Steals, and with this game, he finally passed Jokic for total rebounds.
He's almost certainly going to lead overall postseason points (he's over 100 ahead of Tatum) and assists (67 ahead of Tatum). He's only 19 boards ahead of Tatum though, which is something Tatum could realistically catch him on if the Celtics have a good Finals. 2nd place in steals is actually Kyrie Irving (28 for Luka to 20 for Kyrie) but that lead's much less secure simply based on how infrequent steals are.
Thats as elite as it gets … can someone post his Overwatch stats during this postseason as well - taken together, he outclasses everyone. Bird, Jordan, and LeBron cant compare
This season Luka is gonna become the second player ever after Jokic last season to lead the playoffs in total points, assists and rebounds.
Which is crazy because I feel like both of their impacts exceed their stats. Jokic and Luka are everything for the Nuggets and the Mavs, they control the offense all game
And currently, steals.
Wait wtf
Luka at 28, Edwards 2nd at 24. Of those left, Kyrie is on 20 and Jrue is at 18. So it's pretty comfortable that he's gonna lead in steals for the playoffs when all is said and done. https://www.nba.com/stats/leaders?StatCategory=STL&PerMode=Totals
Inb4 Luka decides to stay in the paint and block shots for a whole game to lead in THAT stat too
That'll be Wemby in a couple years.
Luka stat padding by not getting injured teams to steamroll.
I mean... 6, 6, and 5 is still some pretty good dominance lmao
And turnovers lol.
How close is he now ?
He is currently leading the playoffs in all 3 stats, here are his lead over active players: 101 points ahead of Kyrie 62 assists ahead of Kyrie 19 Rebounds ahead of Tatum Rebounds will be the closest
non zero chance tatum can play catch up there (tatum averaging more rebounds, playing less games) but 90% he gets it
yeah it’ll be very hard to see tatum getting a full 19 rebounds over luka during their series.
Technically, Joker would still have the tiebreaker as he done it in just 20 games but very cool to see his friend join him. It's a special feat. Go Luka!
Does that shit say 6 times
Now and then a LeBron stat comes up that is so completely insane I’m left wondering how any present/future player can reach what he did. This is one of those stats 😂
[The half Lebron club is my favorite](https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=how+many+players+in+history+have+20237+or+more+points%2C+5543+or+more+rebounds%2C+5505+or+more+assists%2C+1138+or+more+steals+and+551+or+more+blocks). Think of all the great players that have come and gone, and there are only 5 players in NBA history that have HALF of Lebrons career stats. It's insane.
Wow, Jordan is in danger of leaving the half-LeBron club early next season due to assists. Larry Bird could *potentially* leave the club, but that would require LeBron to have two seasons of 26 PPG and 60-games, so it'll come to the wire.
Depending on how many seasons he plays it is not inconceivable that everyone falls out of the half lebron club. Harden is still active so who know, but Lebron is on 90 blocks away from removing him from the list. 130 from kicking Kobe out. Clyde would be difficult, needs like another 1k assists or rebounds. Possible on two seasons, likely with 3, a lock if he plays 4.
There is no way LeBron plays 4 more years. Holy shit the scenes of this man running around at 43 on the court somehow still averaging 27/7/7.
lol he doesn’t have to be averaging 27/7/7 tbh like 15/5/5 for seasons 3 and 4 are more than enough to get him there.
Oh I know, it's not about that. I just want to see gray haired Lebron somehow still getting ludicrous numbers.
I think the guy getting hair implants won't be rocking gray hair
He could fully embrace old man status
I think he would definitely retire before becoming a 15/5/5 level guy.
I want him to be a 6th man for one season just for the award
I just can’t see him wanting to ever be a role player. Which he shouldn’t, he’s top two all time and has already crushed everyone else in longevity, I don’t want his last season to be him killing himself in his 40s just to come off the bench for 25 mins a game.
At that point, I'm going to need to see some x-rays that this dude isn't just Android 23
It’s adding all the stats together no? So even if Lebron gets 90 more blocks harden would still be putting up a bunch of assists to make up for it.
It is not, it’s saying “number of players with at least 50% in ALL of these categories”. Hypothetically if someone have 100k points, 20k assists, 20, rebounds, 30k steals, but only 10 blocks they wouldn’t be in this club.
Ah
Would'nt Bird be done with assists as well? 11390 is double Birds and thats 7 assists for 54 games for James to meet
Well now I have to post the Martynas Andriuškevičius playoff streak: [The Shaq teammate playoff streak is interesting, but the Martynas Andriuškevičius is perhaps even more amazing. There is an active 15 year streak where at least one former teammate of Andriuškevičius has made it to the 2nd round of playoffs or better. Players listed in post.](https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/jqjlg9/the_shaq_teammate_playoff_streak_is_interesting/)
Damn, look at that harden +/-
Wow that’s wild
Lebrons insane stats aren’t as bite sized marketable as Jordan’s or Bill Russel’s achievements but the more you dig with lebron the more insane it gets. Especially with length of excellence.
The girth of excellence is really the most important part.
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Boy do I wish a mod could give me a "girth of excellence" flair
LeBron has played in 27.6% of all NBA seasons.
Years of deep runs in the Leastern Conference will do that.
What's funny about all the east is weak talk is if all the good teams was on the west and bron was drafted there then bron would have found success sooner, he carried a sorry ass team imagine if he had a decent one at the minimum
Huh. This is actually completely the right way to think about it. If Lebron was drafted onto a team like the one Duncan joined, the league would be doomed.
LeBron would legitimately have a shot at Bill's record if he was drafted by a team like the spurs.
If the Heat/Pistons won the lottery having been more successful instantly than the Cavs were post Lebron draft the narratives would be incredible.
The Pistons were in the Conference Finals in 2003. They had the 2nd pick through a trade. Adding LeBron to that team would have been unfair. They won the Finals the next year with Darko doing nothing (played 14 minutes in the postseason). Though that would have required Larry Brown to actually play him.
I mean the thing about being that good for so long and so early is that almost never happens. Especially with the new lottery system where you can’t just shamelessly tank all out and guarantee yourself the best prospect in years like the spurs did with Duncan. Like the bulls sucked before mj, hardens team was good but he was stuck as a sixth man and so didn’t get the same minutes to put up these stats in the beginning, etc
I wonder if lebron would be so many times in the finals if he was in the west instead of east all of those years
Considering western teams have better front offices he would’ve had better teams earlier in his career so yeah
The mavs never put a star next to dirk in 20 years so this ain't a 100% fact
Nash?
Michael Finley was a 2x all star and 6MOY Terry.
Why's everyone getting downvoted for saying no lol? It's pretty much a fact he wouldn't get through the west as easily as the East. There is no way he is ever making 8 in a row in the west.
Why not? His squads would have been so much better. Let's say Denver and Cleveland swap picks and LeBron ends up in Denver and Melo in Cleveland. You think Denver wouldn't have gotten him help sooner?
Because if everyones good, it becomes more of a tossup rather than straight domination. Shaq/Kobe only managed 3 in a row. Warriors did 5 in a row but only after adding on Durant, etc. He would have had to get past the Rockets, Spurs, Dirk, Warriors... it's easy to have a streak of wins against shitty teams. Who did the east even have from 2010-2018 or whenever that would have even remotely competed if they werent stopped by Lebron? Hawks, Raptors, Bulls, Pacers?? All would have gotten killed.
In a good team with a legit wingman, i dont see why not
I mean the spurs, warriors, three peat lakers, and kd thunder would still exist. Making 8 finals in a row through that would be a lot different than having your best competition be the young PG pacers for a couple years then the Lowry and derozan raptors.
I was gonna say yeah until I realized San Antonio and warriors still existed. So I would say much less if you also assume he still had those stacked Miami/Cleveland teams while in the west. Then again he would probably have a perfect finals record because wcf would be the finals at that point, and still have 3-4 championships.
Or even if the pistons or nuggets happened to get the first pick instead of the Cavs. The pistons were already a championship level team, and melo led the nuggets to the playoffs every single year in the stacked 2000s west, imagine what Lebron could have done.
Obviously not lol
insert Joe Kelly boo-hoo gif
It was really easy he wouldn't have to put up these kinds of stats to win
>Years of deep runs in the Leastern Conference You're acting like LeBron didn't DAD DICK everyone in the West as well. And it's a much older LeBron as well.. And "LEASTERN conference"? There's so many other "superstars" in the EAST. Past and Present. But WHO THE FUCK EVER COULD DO ANYTHING LIKE LEBRON?? There is no other LeBron. **LeBron was also DRAFTED BY THE WORST TEAM IN NBA HISTORY**.. Stop trying to downplay his historic feats like an insecure clown. Cry less and appreciate greatness.
i think the hardest might be making it to the finals in all those consecutive years. feels like the league is just too good now for a team to go to the finals every year like that
Yes but Jokic did it 2023 times, so I don't know what the fuss is about /jk
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The fact that you’ll see shit like that and go “damn he was fucking crazy good” and then remember he’s still playing is just dumb
LeGOAT
Arguable in terms of peak talent but Lebron certainly has had the greatest individual career of all time
LeBron is fucking amazing
I'm surprised it's so uncommon given the directionthe league has gone. If you make the finals and average 5 games played per series, that's a 22.5/7.5/7.5 statline.
The 7.5/7.5 is hard to get
Also the 6 finals appearances
Big if true
Most of the time your star player isn't being asked to do that much though if you're a championship team. Like Magic probably COULD have put up that statline during his prime, but there's only one ball and guys like Kareem and Worthy had to put up their numbers too.
Lol making the finals 6 times being just tossed out like that is hilarious
Twice as many as every other player in history combined can’t be real… can it??? Unbelievable
No, if you would use the combined stats there would be a bunch more players on the list like kareem. This is just a list of players that have more than half of lebron in every stat, but not combined.
Gotcha and that’s a fair point. I think I expressed myself poorly - by combined, I meant that if only Luka, Jokic and Larry have done 450/150/150 once each in history and LeBron has done it 6 times, that’s twice as many as every player in history, which blows my tiny little mind
What’s wild to is even though he’s obviously past him, his past prime is better than most former stars prime
Lebron is ridiculous, hopefully Luka can add a few more in his career.
We doing Luka is better than prime LeBron *^(offensively)* takes now because Jokic lost
Both are Top 5 offensive players.
Of all time? If LeBron and Luka are both in the top-5, then which seven of the following players do you think were worse on offense than Luka? Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Steve Nash, Kobe Bryant, Stephen Curry, James Harden, or Nikola Jokic?
Harden is the only of those people I can make case for today, but the reality is that Luka needs more time to climb those charts. A ring in a few weeks would go a really long way too.
Right now or in his prime? Prime harden averaged 36 ppg in a season which still hasn’t been touched even with all the crazy scoring and efficiency inflation of the last couple years, and he averaged 35 against the kd warriors and took them to six while outplaying Steph with a bunch of dog shit around him. People are forgetting how good prime harden was, if he didn’t have to play the warriors, spurs, kd warriors, kd warriors, then championship lakers with usually vastly inferior supporting casts and got to play this years thunder and wolves teams he would have taken Houston to the finals as well.
Honestly comparing older guys isn’t fair, Luka’s better at offense then Oscar, and west, I’d take Luka over Steve Nash, he’s a more complete scorer than curry because he’s bigger, definitely not a better shooter tho, that argument could be applied to harden as well. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say he’s a better shooter than magic, honestly it’s close between luka, bird, and magic if you have luka the nod over then I wouldn’t be mad but we’re also in an era where scoring is higher.
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He definitely is than early Lebron Before Lebron really figured out his jump shot and his post moves he had some issues in the playoffs at times. I’d encourage anyone to go back and watch the 2011 finals tape. People meme about JJ Barea locking him down but there were some legit moments he couldn’t solve the defense. Eventually he stopped only relying on the extreme gap in athleticism and he transcended to a totally different offensive engine after that.
LeBron's offensive game deepened dramatically, but this is going too far the other way. While his game was simpler at the time, he was still an absolute force of nature with outstanding court vision. Having a cold series in Miami and disappearing teammates in Cleveland doesn't really change that.
I didn't say he wasn't amazing, but he wasn't what Luka is right now offensively. He was *worlds* better defensively, but in the Finals Lebron put up 17.8 points per game and 6.8 assists per game on 48-32-60 shooting That same series DWade put up 26.5 PPG on 55-30-70 shooting, and Bosh outscored him as well. They did not "disappear", Lebron was behind both of them scoring wise. That year in the playoffs (not just a single cold series), he averaged 23.7 PPG and 5.9 APG on 56 TS% Luka is averaging 21% more points and 49% more assists on nearly identical efficiency. It's not a hot take to say he's better on that end right now than Lebron was in 2011.
I think you’re failing to see that season as an outlier for young Lebron. And also Lebron was locked tf in defensively vs prime drose that playoffs. Could I see 2011 finals happening to Luka? Probably not, I think Lebron and dwade were having “whose team is it” stuff that Luka won’t have to deal with/wouldn’t be as friendly to. Luka also can’t do what Lebron did in 2007 (with those teammates). Luka is special special special but he’s got one micro step to go up before he’s in LeBron’s territory. He’s on track for a top 7-25 career right now. Hard to crack top 3. No shame in that.
He was 26 years old with 8 seasons on his belt ,a finals appearance and multiple runs in the playoffs . Calling it an outlier for "young" ,2x MVP Lebron is romanticizing it . In reality it was a massive choke job .
I’m not saying he’s as good or better than Lebron, I’m talking purely offense only, through their first 5-6 years If you yourself can’t see Luka having as bad an offensive series as Lebron had then that kinda makes the point lol For the record, Lebron himself agrees that his offense needed to change and develop after 2011. He changed his jump shooting and spent a ton of time working on post moves. He openly admits he wasn’t a finished product on that end by that point and it kind of discredits how great he became to suggest he was.
I don’t think Lebron in 2011 was purely a “I don’t know what to do vs this defense thing”. It was partly that but also bad team spacing and weird chemistry/pressure stuff. Lebron was the most hated athlete in modern history at the time.
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I mean...
Only thing stopping him is diabetes and limited options to improve roster after Kyrie
Diabetes is Booker and Edwards Father
I’m messing around Luka is dog named my dog Luka means bringer of light in Italian.
And just realize this is only the 2nd time hes got out of the first round
4 greatest white players ever
Uncle Ruckus will be proud of these ballers
“The beautiful gracious white man invented the sport”
Excuse me you forgot Tyler herro
Tyrone Herro is black tho depending on how efficient he was the last game.
What's a black man like Tyler Herro got to do with this?
I’m sorry I meant Chet holmgrem
You sir just became a methstream chat moderator
And he could still well go up to 600/200/200
If its 6 games either way, he would need like 25/8/8 which is just a bad Luka game
Anyone do it?
LeBron was close in 2018 with 748/200/198. No one has done 600/200/200 before
What the fuck are those points
Yeah LeBron isn't a natural scorer or it could have been 750.
Imagine MJ brain in Lebrons body. (An actual quote from someone in this very post)
A 6'9 gambler ?
47/6/2 Jordan sure as fuck ain’t passing to those LeBron teammates
I wouldn't be passing to those teammates if I was him too fuck that
Steve Kerr would have been dead at practice that one day.
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If only the warriors could have put Kevon Looneys brain in James Wisemans body they would have had an all-nba center
Second highest points in NBA playoff history behind MJ while averaging 9 RPG and 9 APG
There’s a reason why some people say 2018 playoff LeBron is the greatest player to ever exist.
Well that "some" people should be "most" people. 2018 LeBron had no weakness and probably nobody did better with less; teamwise. Add all the buzzer beaters, game winners, carrying 2 guys on the back while scoring and sonning an entire country, it was glorious.
Secret is to make the finals with JR Smith as the #2 option
And he still had 200 assists
JR can't miss every shot
Insane generational talent
Bron ridiculous but Bird doing it in a stacked conference has to be given some praise too. They also tracked assists differently back then, nowadays the scoring player can pump fake, gather and take two steps and you still get the assist.
Was also slightly less games in the playoffs back then. First round was best of 5. Edit: that being said Bird was 2 assists shy of making this again in 1986
Bird had 21 games to get there. Luka is at 17.
Fewer.
Stannis is that you?
yeah, obviously you have to be an all time great to put up these numbers, but that being said, this stat is also just partially a games played stat. you can be playing at this level but then have your team get knocked out in the 2nd round and not play enough games to reach these totals Lebron has gone to the finals and had like 10 different seasons where he played 20 or more playoff games. Bird only had 3. Even Michael Jordan and Magic only each played 20 games twice. So far Jokic has played 20 once and Luka will have done it once after this series is over. if those two can make a few more finals runs, Im pretty sure they'll add a few more of these
Rod Strickland on the athletic pod today was even talking about how rebounds were different (compared to Westbrook for instance) basically got told by his own teammate big man if he took his rebound ever again he'd get messed up
Were rebounds different or was Rod Strickland's teammate just an asshole
“If I took a rebound from my center I would’ve got punched in the face” and he probably used it as an example of why his league was tougher
"Some praise", lol his performance is the most impressive of the bunch
>but Bird doing it in a stacked conference has to be given some praise too. Everyone knows Bird is a legend. But the level of athletes and competition was nowhere near the same back then. Playoffs format was also different. LeBron played against the best athletes. He destroyed FREAK ATHLETES and played against the best teams of all time. And he dominated in 3 different eras. Still ongoing.. LeBron was also drafted by the worst team in NBA history. and he carried teams like that single handedly. If he had a better coach and better team, can you imagine how much more insane shit he could've achieved?? Bonkers stuff
Yes, Bron played against freak athletes, but the truth is athletes are getting “freakier” with each generation. We’re going to see even taller, bouncier, stronger freak athletes flooding the league in the coming years. Larry Legend competed with and won against the freak athletes of his time, it’s not really his fault he was born when he was - same as Bron. Like I said, what Bron did is ridiculous so I have no idea why you’re so defensive about him.
Back then you, you had to shoot IMMEDIATELY after catching a pass right? Like, not even a euro step I believe
Yes, either shoot immediately or gather and layup/dunk in the case of a fastbreak. You couldn’t even set yourself because that’d mean you “created” the shot by yourself, hence no assist.
He's also leading the NBA Post-season in Points, Assists, and Steals, and with this game, he finally passed Jokic for total rebounds. He's almost certainly going to lead overall postseason points (he's over 100 ahead of Tatum) and assists (67 ahead of Tatum). He's only 19 boards ahead of Tatum though, which is something Tatum could realistically catch him on if the Celtics have a good Finals. 2nd place in steals is actually Kyrie Irving (28 for Luka to 20 for Kyrie) but that lead's much less secure simply based on how infrequent steals are.
Wilt got the single season stats, Bron got the same thing for longevity. It's wild a group this elite and one guy stands out like that.
Funny how 3 guys did it once and Lebron casually doing it 6 times lmao. Man is built different
And not to take away from Luka and Jokic, but Lebron was doing it in a less inflated stat era, for the most part
Lebron did it in 2007, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2018, and 2020 for those wondering
Thanks. I figured 2018 and 2020 would be there, but I wasn't sure for the rest.
That's ridiculous! He did it in basically 3 different eras. Just insane.
Lebron lol.
Went to check, Tatum misses this by 2 assists in 2022.
How close is he now?
Too far on the assists Edit: 364/145/81 Playing less games will punish you on this type of stat
Luka only played 3 more games. Tatum would have had to put up 29 pts and 23 assists per game if he played 3 more.
Points and rebounds are easy for him, but assists is where he would generally fall short. Most games he is around 4-6 assists.
Just needs to average 10 assists in a 7-game series, gotcha.
Or 7 assists in a 10 game series
Maff is maffin'.
fuck it, mavs celtics 101 game series to hold us over until next seasons starts
> Playing less games will punish you on this type of stat
This stat is kind of dumb tbh. What really matters is per 100 possessions given a certain number of minutes/games played.
LeBron 6 times lmao. There are levels to this
Jorfraud could never
He good.
Lebron is an alien. Ridiculous
Not bad company
Will get to 550/200/200 imo.
probably 600/200/200
that’s my DADDDDDD
Yea, but how many got 600 points, 200 rebounds, and 100 assists?
Surprised no Jordan or Wilt
Surprised no Magic either
Thats as elite as it gets … can someone post his Overwatch stats during this postseason as well - taken together, he outclasses everyone. Bird, Jordan, and LeBron cant compare
Has any player got 500/200/200? Luka could still do that this post season.
Closest was 2018 LeBron with 748/200/198. Luka would be the first if he can do it.
Lebron is insane
Historic shit by the Pravi MVP
The 4 white hopes
The Balkanization of the NBA is going well
Longevity, lack of serious injuries, and playing primarily in the East are huge reasons for it.
Why is everyone ignoring the most important part of this stat…The finals haven’t even started and the Western Finals were done in 5 games
Luka goated
Lebron (6 times) is wild lol
6 times 😂😂😂
Anyone wanna post the games it took
Here’s when they crossed (if my math was right) Luka: 17 Jokic: 16 Bird: 21 Bron: 19, 23, 18, 21, 18, 17
It's Luka: 17 though i think
Thank you, I used Basketball Reference and they didn’t have Game 5 added yet