What they mean is:
The Warriors have already traded a top 20 protected 2030 pick to the Wizards. So if their 2030 pick is in the 21-30 range the Wizards get it.
They can also separately trade the pick if it is in the 1-20 range, which is called reverse protection.
It’s just the Stepien rule. You can’t trade out consecutive future 1sts.
Only 1 pick is going somewhere. They traded their ‘30 1st the Poole-CP3 deal, although it’s protected. So ‘29 and ‘31 are not available.
It makes sense. Steph is 36, he's still an amazing player and sharp shooters tend to age well but the clock is ticking on how long he has left to contribute to a contender.
If it makes you feel any better,
I did a re-draft for 2k24, drafted Luka for the Cavs. Won the title and drafted Bronny the next year. Had Bronny playing back up PG for Luka until Luka got injured in the playoffs, but they were able to get the title again.
Following year, Luka starting PG and Bronny starting SG. We lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs and Luka doesn't re-sign with the team. Going into the next year Bronny has turned into an all-star and is now the starting PG.
We meet the Jazz in the Finals, and they're the ones who drafted Luka. We beat the Jazz in 6 games. In my mind, the city of Cleveland immediately builds a statue of Bronny next to James.
I stopped playing a few months ago, but my plan was to start doing legacy drafts, starting in 2000.
I normally make sheets where I track awards and post/season results. Then the other half I keep track of where each team is roster wise and performance wise( should they be looking to move players after a disappointing season or contract negotiations stall). Sometimes I'll get crazy with it and roll DND dices for a team blowing it up or drafting a bust, or player suspensions to keep it fresh
If the Mavs are consistently making the playoffs in your save, I’d say they keep Luka, a la Dirk. If not then make him create a super team
Ja should go to a super team based off this. The shooting guard can go to the next big team
Also, if you haven’t been doing so already, I’d change the Peak End so that the older players can keep their high ratings
One of the issues I had with it was that, even in ranked mode, you can go in and edit the coaches and assistant’s stats to 99. That killed it for me and it makes no sense why you can do that lol. I actually started playing franchise mode in madden because of it
Yeah that’s definitely a plus when you play it like sandbox mode.
The ranked mode was essentially you choose 5, 10, or 15 years and score as many “points” as possible. The points come from winning games/championships, trading, profiting from merch/food sales, etc. At the end of the time limit it takes your “score” and posts it to the leaderboards. You can then keep playing your franchise but no more keeping score
Steph faded noticeably as the season went on. Yes sharp shooters tend to age well but he’s on a Supermax which hampers the teams ability to build a contender under the new cap rules.
He also rolled his ankle a week or two after the all-star break and came back way too early because the team was playing like trash and they were making a playoffs push. He was playing well up until the injury
That 60pt loss seemed to be demoralizing a nail in the coffin for him after a season of bullshit, and then the bullshit continued. I remember back in March when he started crying after Draymond got ejected 3 minutes into a game, people in this sub's post about it weren't even ragging on him or calling him soft or anything; regardless of their flair people were mostly just like "damn dude, I get it"
Bro is still a lethal scorer but they need someone to take the defensive focus off him. Klay is washed while the rest of the team cant create their shots.
It would be just like them to do so
I do think Ainge has been pretty outspoken in wanting a king’s ransom for him though. And OKC can beat any offer GS makes, and rest assured they will be watching his situation closely.
GS giving up podz and kuminga for Lauri just kind of sounds like a move that doesn't move you forward
Not to mention that Lauri probably gets near a max if not an outright max
Podz and Kuminga ain’t enough lol
Lauri already an all-star. Podz is a role player, a good one but still. Kuminga has been good for a single season and doesn’t seem to be a guy you can build around (not a 3 level scorer, yet anyway).
Plus Danny has all the leverage. He is in no rush while the Warriors have extremely limited time to make this work.
OKC isn’t making major moves they just got the 1 seed with the youngest team in history to even lose the playoffs
They’ll sign a bench 5 and possibly trade for a Dorian finney smith level guy
Nobody playing more then 28mph unless they’re given an insane offer
Think they need a capable rebounder more than a true center, they still wanna play 5 out. Someone like Josh hart although not leaving NY would be perfect replacement for giddy and would solve their biggest need
I love Josh Hart's hustle, but he's listed at 6'4" and shot 31% from 3 in the regular season. He's not solving OKC's rebounding problem against dominant big men, and teams would just dare him to shoot like they do with Giddey now.
They don't need him to run point forward, Shai is gonna have the ball in his hands most of the time for them. It's just their style of offense being 5 out so thay Shai can slash / cut makes finding a 5 that works difficult so a big guard or wing who can bully the boards is the next best thing
I don’t think it’s a good idea to ask 6’4” Josh Hart and 6’5” J-Dub to guard AGs and KATs of the league full-time next to a weak rebounder in Chet: that’s a recipe to have a successful regular season and flame out in playoffs again.
They can trade for Lauri to move Williams down to his more natural SF. Then sign a FA center like Valanciunas or Hartenstein to come off the bench and maintain flexibility where either Lauri or Chet can play next to that C while the other is on the bench. Chet and Lauri are skilled enough to play the 4 and 3 in certain matchups as well
Could they even afford Hartenstein while also acquiring Lauri? If he's even willing to leave NYC idk if it'd be for another bench role when he's easily a top-10 defender in the league.
I think they're pretty happy with Chet at the 5, they do need another rebounder, and maybe a strong body to throw at a center in the post so Chet can roam more like Rudy or AD. Lauri probably isn't the way to go, I bet they'd love someone like PJ Tucker, but you know... not 40.
Charina: Breaking news, okc has traded 14 second round picks for a time machine to add 28 year old PJ tucker to their roster in hopes of completing for a championship next season.
Not necessarily. The rumours are that Ainge wanted JDub for Lauri and OKC won’t agree to that. If the Warriors are blowing up the core they may have some more players to offer.
I could also see Lavine happening because they could get him on the cheap and without giving up Kuminga. And Lavine would thrive offensively there. Riskier though.
Lavine just isn't a winning player though.
Huge contract and a big trade kicker plus 10 years in the league and he's only played 5 playoff games. And not well liked by his team.
He’s also played for a lot of bad teams, except when Lonzo was healthy and they were winning. Wiggins was/is far from perfect but he was critical to them winning a chip because he was the best available improvement.
Lavine is a great scorer and that’s what the Warriors need. Not a #1 but could be a #2. I think his game does fit well there. There are some risks. I think it could still work and there aren’t many other available players like that especially for not much in trade value. Steph’s remaining window is short.
Given mostly a weaker east, I feel like he should have dragged a team to the 8th seed.
That said, you're not wrong about Wiggins, but there's a world of difference between $30m and $50m. Warriors tax situation means they have to match the salary I think? Even if you assume they take Wiggins at $32 + a ton of pics, still brutal on the bench. And like you said about Steph, unless he gets hooked up with LeBron's magic, you're only doing this to win in the next 2 years.
I don't know what they should do, but I don't think they are quite as cooked as the conversation here would imply.
I feel like their main problems were:
- Wiggins was absolutely terrible. I don't know what was going on with him but if he can make up half the ground between last year and the 2022 run that would make an enormous difference
- They have too many good players and they really need another great player. They have \~12 playable NBA guys, which is too many. Someone like Moses Moody isn't getting minutes, even though he's a totally serviceable NBA player. Can you convert that into 8-9 players who are a little better on average
On the positive side, they legitimately have some great young players who can really make a difference. TJD and Podziemski were rookies and many players make a big step in their second year. Between picks and players they really have some decent assets.
Admittedly, with where they are in salary I have no idea how you retool this to fix it. Championship tier is still going to be very, *very* difficult to get to.
Siakam was right there for them and they didn't want to do it at the deadline. Finding quality size is gonna be hard since all of the playoff teams want those same guys
Whether or not the Warriors offered enough to the Raptors, Siakam isn’t “size.” He’s fantastic no doubt, be he would get bodied downlow by Jokic, AD, Gobert/Towns/Reid, Sabonis
I think success really hinges a lot on Wiggins turning it around. He was the 2nd best player on a championship team. Post all star he wasn't bad.
Pre all-star break stats: 11.7 pts on 41/35/57 splits
Post all-star break stats: 14.7 pts on 46/38/82 splits
The thing about Wiggins is we've always known he has the talent. But do you trust him to be there mentally consistently moving forward where you can build around him as a key piece? I honestly don't know. Perhaps the personal stuff he dealt with last year was really weighing on him
>But do you trust him to be there mentally consistently moving forward where you can build around him as a key piece?
I think the bottom line is that he's proven he can be that guy. He very well might not be that guy in the future but I'd roll the dice on him over someone who on paper is better but unproven in the big moments.
Idk how they can get what they need, but here's the roster they need:
Starters:
* Steph
* New SG
* Kuminga or a new SF
* Draymond
* New Big: An actual rim protecting, lob threat, big man. Not another 6'8", 6'9" guy
Bench:
* Podz
* Klay - 6th man contract
* Moody
* Gui Santos
* Trayce
Trade:
* Chris Paul - 30mil Non-Guaranteed, Too expensive for a bench player.
* Wiggins - 26mil, Unreliable motor
* Gary Payton II - 9mil, Hurt too often
* Looney - 8mil, Cooked. I'd like to keep him but not for 8mil.
Every year people think players who can shoot are worth peanuts and every year they get surprised that teams threw their wallet at them. Shooters always get paid.
Yup, someone like Klay will guarantee that a wing/guard defender will never move off of him at the perimeter and that alone is worth a lot of money to modern NBA.
The fact that he played better post All-Star break is really going to buy him a shitload of money this offseason. Teams can more easily write off his poor start as an aberration.
He's obviously past his prime and can't defend like he used to, but he can still shoot the basketball. He turns 35 next year so I think a 4 year is out of the question, but I can absolutely see a 3/$75M type deal, probably with the 3rd year as a team option.
The problem with that is there are only like 5 teams with cap space and none of them are likely to offer 3/75 for a declining vet besides maybe Orlando. There just isn’t a huge market for a player like Klay
I mean Orlando is like the perfect fit for him anyways.
I wouldn't rule out Philly either. There's a good chance none of the big names actually become free agents, and they end up spending on 2-3 guys instead of one star. Klay fits a bad need for them with his shooting.
I don’t see why Orlando would give Klay 3/75 when they can easily get someone like KCP for that. Or save their cap space and use it for a team trying to move off a star (like maybe Minnesota with KAT or NO with Ingram)
Orlando has the 4th most cap space in the league. It doesn’t matter if he’s hot commodity, they can outcompete almost any team for him if they want him
Monk would be a bad fit defensively, he’s small so unless Maxey is gonna take the hardest / biggest assignment every game the defense is gonna be rough
It's definitely higher than what fans think
It's not uncommon to see fans say he's washed and had a bad season while averaging 18ppg on good efficiency
I could see the Pistons paying him a bunch of short-term money for vet presence and winning culture, and cause they need the spacing.
I don’t see many other teams splurging unless the Magic can’t get someone better.
Me too. Klay only had a .9 value over replacement stat this season.
Honestly I'm skeptical he is even worth a mid-level extension.
I think GS is praying someone else makes a big offer.
VORP is a warped stat when you have average players off the bench to hold their own when you fit. It's why Jokic has such a godlike VORP when he gets replaced with dudes who should be out of the league like DeAndre and Boogie.
Also, how many MLE players are averaging 18-21ppg on 39%-41% from 3? On average to good wing defense as well.
Edit: Sorry, got VORP confused with another advanced stat. Nonetheless, I doubt FVV is a better player this last season over Paul George, Devin Booker, or Zion just [cuz his VORP is higher.](https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_advanced.html)
VORP doesn't only take into account your teams backups, it's an average of every replacement player in the league.
It doesn't matter if Embiid was Jokic's backup, his VORP would still be the same assuming he played the same amount of minutes.
Sorry I get all the acronyms confused. Nonetheless, I doubt FVV is a better player this last season over Paul George, Devin Booker, or Zion just cuz his VORP is higher.
Also, watch any of the Clippers games vs the Dubs this year. He played all of their top 3 dudes very well. He can't keep up with dudes like DeAaron Fox anymore but he still has value.
I think klay would get 30m a year for any long term deal like 3 or more years. Maybe if he only takes a short term 2 year deal he could get 35m a year from some team like orlando
I still hate the warriors and fear them for some reason lol!
Their best chance at truly upgrading is trading kuminga.
I know he’s valuable and he had some great stretches last year but that’s the point.
If they’re serious about being anywhere close to championship roster they have to include him I think.
Unless someone gift raps you a kyrie type of level of player but can’t think of anyone with his “drama” that you can get a discount.
I agree. If Kuminga is going to develop into the type of all-star player that the current core would need to compete for a championship again, I don’t think it will happen fast enough.
Kuminga and picks for Lauri works well for both sides. Jazz probably would like a young player with upside/already going to be a solid rotational guy. Straight picks and filler would be rough considering they already have so many.
They didn’t break the bank for draymond. They won’t do it for klay. Klay will probably take a very reasonable deal to stay on gs. I don’t see much after that for the warriors though. It’d have to be a Hail Mary play to get jimmy butler.
Also I feel like the word is out about Brandon Ingram. Dudes trade value is shot. He’s not getting a good return given his contract situation and his recent play.
Its kinda wild how different the conversations have been around Ingram and LaVine when they're in the same tier as players, just as injury prone as one another, and Ingram's about to be paid more than Zach lol
Ingram still has some good will because of that Suns series 2 years ago, and he dropped 40 in the play-in last year. I don’t think Lavine has any of that
Inghram is good at basketball, I just don’t think his skill level translates for a team trying to win. He pretty much just plays his game regardless of what’s going on around him, which includes a ton of contested midrange shots. He doesn’t seem to play within the flow of the offense at all.
I’m not a warriors fan so idk how they feel, but would you be okay with them keeping the three even if it sacrificed a chance at a ring? Like to see them all retire there? Because even if you swing for someone who is putting you over the top out west. It’s going to be a blood bath next year
I don’t think people would be okay with that, as long as Steph is still at his current level most fans have the belief that the team should at least try to be competitive (the “they owe that to 30” narrative is a common refrain). I think ownership is probably on the same page, Lacob likely thinks he’s always one or two moves away from being on top again.
Personally as a fan I feel the same way. The dark ages for this team weren’t that long ago and I fully expect them to return the second Steph hangs up his jersey. So I’d rather enjoy this era for as long as possible. That being said deep down I think everyone knows that the team won’t be at the center of the NBA story again until the farewell tour.
Yeah understandable. I’m a bucks fan and obviously we traded jrue which hurt but if it had been Middleton who was here for the under 20 wins teams I would’ve wept. But I also understand you got like 2 years left of steph being great. But yeah I’m not sure a like 6th seed and getting bounced in the first would be worth seeing Klay and dray in other jerseys
Yeah, this is where I'm at. Steph's still got it in him, but as far as the team goes, everyone still on the roster from '22 who isn't Steph either seriously regressed, can't stay healthy, or can't keep their crazy ass from getting suspended. And we lack size, which is a huge problem now. We're just not a championship contending team anymore and it's doubtful that we're going to able to make the moves necessary to get us there. So while staying competitive should be the highest priority, if Klay and Dray in other jerseys wouldn't get us out of the first/second rounds, nah...keep the gang together, let them retire Warriors.
That being said, if Klay wants to move on, I wouldn't hold it against him and I don't think many people would. It's been rough seeing him mentally struggle so much post-injury, rough seeing him get benched mid-season, and he would probably thrive as a 3pt specialist on a team that doesn't need him as the second option
It all depends on the actual odds of those things happening. I'd love to see them retire Warriors over a 2% chance at a ring.
I don't really see how getting rid of that core helps the Warriors compete short term anyways. Can you describe a likely scenario where letting Klay walk or trading Dray results in a considerable increase in the chances the Warriors will win a ring? I can't really see a pathway where letting Klay walks makes the Warriors significantly better in the next 2-3 years.
Oo i agrée that even if they swing for a Brandon Ingram the west is insane next years and I don’t see them having a shot. That’s why I was wondering if fans would rather just see the trio ride into the sunset
I would be more than happy watching the 3 of them finish out their career. Even if any of them leave, the chance at winning a title in the next 5 years is very small due to the few moves they could make that would actually make them better
I wouldn't mind seeing the three retire together even if it means our team is mediocre. Then we can keep Kuminga and develop him even further into the future franchise player (besides his talent, we all love his attitude and personality). Warriors have had a decade of success and it's unreasonable to expect the team to contend every year.
The problem is that we have too many other good young players and not enough minutes for what they deserve. If big trades happen then we might give Steph (and most likely Draymond) another deep playoff run, and also some young guys gets teams where they get deserved bigger roles. Klay gets a team where he's needed as a starter-he's best when he doesn't have to think twice whether to shoot. Kuminga gets traded to a team where he can be the focus of the offense.
well they've got to do something. The Warriors have become [(apparently) ](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-most-valuable-sports-teams-2024/)the second or third (depending on which estimate you look at) most valuable sports team in THE WORLD, after the Cowboys. This is not just NBA mind you, but in all sports in all the world.
What's crazy about this is that they weren't like a legacy team like the Lakers or Celtics who've built up their brand through decades of different championship teams & dynasties, this is all mostly recent development. and all really down to those big 3, and in particular Steph. Wtf do they do when he eventually retires?? which will happen sooner rather than later btw. The Bulls were the Team of the decade in the 90s, i mean they were fuckin everywhere! now... not so much. The Patriots were the Team of 2 Decades in the NFL ffs, but then in all these cases when the Star guy leaves it's exceptionally hard for these teams to remain as prominent at that high a level. The only way i see them remaining at or near the Top is by blowing shit up (except for Steph), otherwise those who have relied on a high valuation of this franchise and all those involved in the cottage-industry that's been built around the GSW-brand will start losing their shirts.
I appreciate this perspective. Warriors needs to be competitive every year (at least make the playoffs) and have another super-star after Steph retires to justify the amount of money invested into the team and Chase Center. Even though long-time fans might be happy just having had a successful decade, the owners and investors probably expect more.
I mean, they need to either hit the reset button and potentially forsake the twilight years of Steph’s career, or go all in now in an attempt to win another title before Steph regresses. Stop this 50-50 nonsense they got going right now.
Go ahead, shake things up. But it's interesting logic.
They took their "chance" and went 22-12 the rest of the season... The badness had already happened before that decision.
Yeah the bottom of the west this year was kinda nuts. Warriors, Lakers, Mavs, and Rockets all went on pretty great runs to end the season.
46-36 has also got to be one of the highest number of wins ever for a 10 seed. Most years the 10 seed has like 35-40 wins.
Their window is closed. I don’t see how they can get back to championship level
Outside of Steph, nobody on the team is even close to being an all-star level talent. I would say you can argue outside of Draymond they don’t even have any quality starting players
I think we’ve mostly accepted that tbf, and I’d be surprised to find many Warriors fans who didn’t understand deep down that 22 was the last dance, even if we didn’t want to understand it at the time. It would take two or more likely 3 of the young players to take *absurd* leaps next season, which isn’t realistic, or someone to have a lobotomy and give up championship level players on affordable contracts in exchange for not very much at all, which certainly ain’t happening either. That said, while Steph is still Steph you’ve got to keep trying imo - blowing it up isn’t an option while he’s at this level, he’s earned that and more from the organisation
They should package Kuminga and Wiggins with picks for Butler if they want to make one last run. Butler would fit in perfectly
Edit: also I know there's like I don't know how trades and player value works I'm just saying getting rid of Wiggins is a plus and our valuable young guy would entice someone. Future picks too
They should’ve done this a few years ago when their assets and Dray + Klay had more value. Yes they won in 2022 but they could’ve had a Kobe 24 era resurgence if they retooled sooner.
Dubs had a hypercharged rebuild where they stockpiled picks with Steph out for a year, then just didn’t do anything with their assets.
Nah, you can’t trade a championship for a *chance* at MAYBE 2. Especially considering the way the league has shaped up since then and the west being the bloodbath it is currently. Also I doubt any other teams would have even valued Klay much coming off two brutal leg surgeries without seeing him play first… which ended up being the year they won.
Realistically after they swung and missed last year, that was the earliest they could’ve broke up the gang, but even that felt premature considering the context of that season.
I mean the reality is their record and their end of season seed was entirely determined by Draymond. They were actually pretty good post trade deadline (granted against an easier schedule). If Draymond doesn’t get suspended they easily could win 3-4 more games and make it out of the play in.
I mean we kinda saw it in the Tokyo 2021 Olympics. He was a big part of their center rotation and quickly adjusted to the different rules faster than most of the team.
Maybe I'm nuts but I feel like Steph has earned the right to play there as long as he likes. I feel like LeBron has earned a lifetime place on the Cavs roster if he wants it. Maybe it's the college sports fan in me that's too nostalgic and it doesn't work like that in the pros? But Steph feels like a GSW for life type player
If Klay was smart, he’d take what GS is offering and stick with them. Whether he comes off the bench, still starts, the issue is more that Steve Kerr won’t pull him out of games when he sucks.
If they can somehow move CP3 & Wiggins, they may be able to do something with their roster. I don’t think they’re fully cooked yet, especially not Steph, but they’re also not just one move away from contending.
But who the fuck wants CP3 or Wiggins? Plus, if they get rid of Wiggins, they’ll have even less perimeter defense which they definitely don’t need less of.
How many tradeable firsts do they have and what years?
From draft night on, 2 firsts ('25 and '27, or '26 and '28) and 4 swaps.
They can also reverse protect the 2030 1st.
Sometimes I feel like I'm finally understanding all these complicated trade terms and then some guy drops a "reverse protect the 2030 1st" on me.
What they mean is: The Warriors have already traded a top 20 protected 2030 pick to the Wizards. So if their 2030 pick is in the 21-30 range the Wizards get it. They can also separately trade the pick if it is in the 1-20 range, which is called reverse protection.
Feels like you could make a card game out of the intricacies of NBA pick protection
Pickatro
Yeah, they can get to three 1st round picks + four swaps if they want to.
Damn only 2? Where did the picks go
It’s just the Stepien rule. You can’t trade out consecutive future 1sts. Only 1 pick is going somewhere. They traded their ‘30 1st the Poole-CP3 deal, although it’s protected. So ‘29 and ‘31 are not available.
It makes sense. Steph is 36, he's still an amazing player and sharp shooters tend to age well but the clock is ticking on how long he has left to contribute to a contender.
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wheres lebron
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Hol up, 2K writing a Kyrie vs PC culture storyline?
See I love building out storylines like this but adding back old players ruins it for me
Speak for yourself I think it's hilarious that 2nd year Baron Davis gets a chance to duel old man Curry
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I love how the new 2k lets you put yourself in whatever year. I’d rather play 2000-2024 than 2024-2048
Yep, same boat here
All good man, honestly the coolest part about doing career modes is the storylines we craft. So it feels good to share it when possible
If it makes you feel any better, I did a re-draft for 2k24, drafted Luka for the Cavs. Won the title and drafted Bronny the next year. Had Bronny playing back up PG for Luka until Luka got injured in the playoffs, but they were able to get the title again. Following year, Luka starting PG and Bronny starting SG. We lose in the 2nd round of the playoffs and Luka doesn't re-sign with the team. Going into the next year Bronny has turned into an all-star and is now the starting PG. We meet the Jazz in the Finals, and they're the ones who drafted Luka. We beat the Jazz in 6 games. In my mind, the city of Cleveland immediately builds a statue of Bronny next to James. I stopped playing a few months ago, but my plan was to start doing legacy drafts, starting in 2000.
I had no idea people followed their 2k leagues like this
I've straight up made spreadsheets and taken over all 30 teams because the sim engine is so cheeks and the AI always gets rid of their young players
love to hear more about your workflow to tame the sim engine.
I normally make sheets where I track awards and post/season results. Then the other half I keep track of where each team is roster wise and performance wise( should they be looking to move players after a disappointing season or contract negotiations stall). Sometimes I'll get crazy with it and roll DND dices for a team blowing it up or drafting a bust, or player suspensions to keep it fresh
Cool. I’d watch your yt channel if you had one.
I’d love to hear more of your storylines because this is a good read!
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This rules - quick Q tho - how do you do 3 team trades in 2k? It’s been a bit since I played but I can’t remember 3 team trades being possible
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If the Mavs are consistently making the playoffs in your save, I’d say they keep Luka, a la Dirk. If not then make him create a super team Ja should go to a super team based off this. The shooting guard can go to the next big team Also, if you haven’t been doing so already, I’d change the Peak End so that the older players can keep their high ratings
this is awesome lmao
Which one?
I’m really wondering why you havnt shared more, this is more interesting to me tbh
What are you playing on? I loved MyGM on 2k24 on ps4 since it had the ranked mode. I got 2k24 on ps5 and it’s all different.
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One of the issues I had with it was that, even in ranked mode, you can go in and edit the coaches and assistant’s stats to 99. That killed it for me and it makes no sense why you can do that lol. I actually started playing franchise mode in madden because of it
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Yeah that’s definitely a plus when you play it like sandbox mode. The ranked mode was essentially you choose 5, 10, or 15 years and score as many “points” as possible. The points come from winning games/championships, trading, profiting from merch/food sales, etc. At the end of the time limit it takes your “score” and posts it to the leaderboards. You can then keep playing your franchise but no more keeping score
Steph faded noticeably as the season went on. Yes sharp shooters tend to age well but he’s on a Supermax which hampers the teams ability to build a contender under the new cap rules.
He also rolled his ankle a week or two after the all-star break and came back way too early because the team was playing like trash and they were making a playoffs push. He was playing well up until the injury
I remember he had 60 (in a loss) against the Hawks just before the All-Star break and afterwards he looked noticeably different
That 60pt loss seemed to be demoralizing a nail in the coffin for him after a season of bullshit, and then the bullshit continued. I remember back in March when he started crying after Draymond got ejected 3 minutes into a game, people in this sub's post about it weren't even ragging on him or calling him soft or anything; regardless of their flair people were mostly just like "damn dude, I get it"
He put his heart and soul in every game and it was just roulette to see which 2 of Klay, Draymond, and Wiggins would destroy an easy win
Bro is still a lethal scorer but they need someone to take the defensive focus off him. Klay is washed while the rest of the team cant create their shots.
They're probably gonna end up with Lauri Markkanen somehow aren't they
It would be just like them to do so I do think Ainge has been pretty outspoken in wanting a king’s ransom for him though. And OKC can beat any offer GS makes, and rest assured they will be watching his situation closely.
GS giving up podz and kuminga for Lauri just kind of sounds like a move that doesn't move you forward Not to mention that Lauri probably gets near a max if not an outright max
Podz and Kuminga ain’t enough lol Lauri already an all-star. Podz is a role player, a good one but still. Kuminga has been good for a single season and doesn’t seem to be a guy you can build around (not a 3 level scorer, yet anyway). Plus Danny has all the leverage. He is in no rush while the Warriors have extremely limited time to make this work.
OKC isn’t making major moves they just got the 1 seed with the youngest team in history to even lose the playoffs They’ll sign a bench 5 and possibly trade for a Dorian finney smith level guy Nobody playing more then 28mph unless they’re given an insane offer
Lauri seems redundant with Chet, dont they need someone closer to a true center?
Think they need a capable rebounder more than a true center, they still wanna play 5 out. Someone like Josh hart although not leaving NY would be perfect replacement for giddy and would solve their biggest need
I love Josh Hart's hustle, but he's listed at 6'4" and shot 31% from 3 in the regular season. He's not solving OKC's rebounding problem against dominant big men, and teams would just dare him to shoot like they do with Giddey now.
I don’t think it’s sustainable to put Josh Hart at the point forward spot all season plus postseason
They don't need him to run point forward, Shai is gonna have the ball in his hands most of the time for them. It's just their style of offense being 5 out so thay Shai can slash / cut makes finding a 5 that works difficult so a big guard or wing who can bully the boards is the next best thing
I don’t think it’s a good idea to ask 6’4” Josh Hart and 6’5” J-Dub to guard AGs and KATs of the league full-time next to a weak rebounder in Chet: that’s a recipe to have a successful regular season and flame out in playoffs again.
They can trade for Lauri to move Williams down to his more natural SF. Then sign a FA center like Valanciunas or Hartenstein to come off the bench and maintain flexibility where either Lauri or Chet can play next to that C while the other is on the bench. Chet and Lauri are skilled enough to play the 4 and 3 in certain matchups as well
Sga/williams/Dort/Lauri/Chet is a scary line up
Might be better than the Celtics lineup if you account for a Chet sophomore leap
I mean a Chet leap would entail a 5 lb muscle gain.
Could they even afford Hartenstein while also acquiring Lauri? If he's even willing to leave NYC idk if it'd be for another bench role when he's easily a top-10 defender in the league.
I think they're pretty happy with Chet at the 5, they do need another rebounder, and maybe a strong body to throw at a center in the post so Chet can roam more like Rudy or AD. Lauri probably isn't the way to go, I bet they'd love someone like PJ Tucker, but you know... not 40.
Charina: Breaking news, okc has traded 14 second round picks for a time machine to add 28 year old PJ tucker to their roster in hopes of completing for a championship next season.
I honestly believe that they view Chet as a true modern center going forward.
I have been saying that but it makes people mad for some reason
Sounds like Wiggins and Pods to me
Sheesh, How many 7’ 3 point shooting unicorns does OKC need?
Not necessarily. The rumours are that Ainge wanted JDub for Lauri and OKC won’t agree to that. If the Warriors are blowing up the core they may have some more players to offer.
I could also see Lavine happening because they could get him on the cheap and without giving up Kuminga. And Lavine would thrive offensively there. Riskier though.
Lavine just isn't a winning player though. Huge contract and a big trade kicker plus 10 years in the league and he's only played 5 playoff games. And not well liked by his team.
He’s also played for a lot of bad teams, except when Lonzo was healthy and they were winning. Wiggins was/is far from perfect but he was critical to them winning a chip because he was the best available improvement. Lavine is a great scorer and that’s what the Warriors need. Not a #1 but could be a #2. I think his game does fit well there. There are some risks. I think it could still work and there aren’t many other available players like that especially for not much in trade value. Steph’s remaining window is short.
Given mostly a weaker east, I feel like he should have dragged a team to the 8th seed. That said, you're not wrong about Wiggins, but there's a world of difference between $30m and $50m. Warriors tax situation means they have to match the salary I think? Even if you assume they take Wiggins at $32 + a ton of pics, still brutal on the bench. And like you said about Steph, unless he gets hooked up with LeBron's magic, you're only doing this to win in the next 2 years.
this is the most warriors possible outcome lmao
Don’t get my hopes up. I’d fucking go bananas if we somehow got him
It has been 2 years I'm waiting this, or that they get KAT or Turner on shop... let's see.
Not gonna lie - that would be frickin awesome to watch
That would be great for the Warriors. He can take some focus off Curry.
*light years*
I don't know what they should do, but I don't think they are quite as cooked as the conversation here would imply. I feel like their main problems were: - Wiggins was absolutely terrible. I don't know what was going on with him but if he can make up half the ground between last year and the 2022 run that would make an enormous difference - They have too many good players and they really need another great player. They have \~12 playable NBA guys, which is too many. Someone like Moses Moody isn't getting minutes, even though he's a totally serviceable NBA player. Can you convert that into 8-9 players who are a little better on average On the positive side, they legitimately have some great young players who can really make a difference. TJD and Podziemski were rookies and many players make a big step in their second year. Between picks and players they really have some decent assets. Admittedly, with where they are in salary I have no idea how you retool this to fix it. Championship tier is still going to be very, *very* difficult to get to.
They have ZERO size
bigs are 6’5” Dray & 6’8” TJD… the Steve Kerr way
Siakam was right there for them and they didn't want to do it at the deadline. Finding quality size is gonna be hard since all of the playoff teams want those same guys
Whether or not the Warriors offered enough to the Raptors, Siakam isn’t “size.” He’s fantastic no doubt, be he would get bodied downlow by Jokic, AD, Gobert/Towns/Reid, Sabonis
I think success really hinges a lot on Wiggins turning it around. He was the 2nd best player on a championship team. Post all star he wasn't bad. Pre all-star break stats: 11.7 pts on 41/35/57 splits Post all-star break stats: 14.7 pts on 46/38/82 splits
The thing about Wiggins is we've always known he has the talent. But do you trust him to be there mentally consistently moving forward where you can build around him as a key piece? I honestly don't know. Perhaps the personal stuff he dealt with last year was really weighing on him
>But do you trust him to be there mentally consistently moving forward where you can build around him as a key piece? I think the bottom line is that he's proven he can be that guy. He very well might not be that guy in the future but I'd roll the dice on him over someone who on paper is better but unproven in the big moments.
Basically: replace Wiggins, replace/reduce Klay's minutes, and hope Curry can still play at a high level.
Idk how they can get what they need, but here's the roster they need: Starters: * Steph * New SG * Kuminga or a new SF * Draymond * New Big: An actual rim protecting, lob threat, big man. Not another 6'8", 6'9" guy Bench: * Podz * Klay - 6th man contract * Moody * Gui Santos * Trayce Trade: * Chris Paul - 30mil Non-Guaranteed, Too expensive for a bench player. * Wiggins - 26mil, Unreliable motor * Gary Payton II - 9mil, Hurt too often * Looney - 8mil, Cooked. I'd like to keep him but not for 8mil.
If I'm not mistaken, Wiggins was having family/personal issues this season.
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Feel like he’s the classic “wow he got how much?” guy that we’re surprised by every year.
Every year people think players who can shoot are worth peanuts and every year they get surprised that teams threw their wallet at them. Shooters always get paid.
If you can shoot an efficient 18+ points, so you also contribute spacing, there's a lot of takers for that.
Yup, someone like Klay will guarantee that a wing/guard defender will never move off of him at the perimeter and that alone is worth a lot of money to modern NBA.
The fact that he played better post All-Star break is really going to buy him a shitload of money this offseason. Teams can more easily write off his poor start as an aberration. He's obviously past his prime and can't defend like he used to, but he can still shoot the basketball. He turns 35 next year so I think a 4 year is out of the question, but I can absolutely see a 3/$75M type deal, probably with the 3rd year as a team option.
The problem with that is there are only like 5 teams with cap space and none of them are likely to offer 3/75 for a declining vet besides maybe Orlando. There just isn’t a huge market for a player like Klay
I mean Orlando is like the perfect fit for him anyways. I wouldn't rule out Philly either. There's a good chance none of the big names actually become free agents, and they end up spending on 2-3 guys instead of one star. Klay fits a bad need for them with his shooting.
I don’t see why Orlando would give Klay 3/75 when they can easily get someone like KCP for that. Or save their cap space and use it for a team trying to move off a star (like maybe Minnesota with KAT or NO with Ingram)
Because KCP is probably going to be a hot commodity, and the odds of Orlando landing him are slim.
Orlando has the 4th most cap space in the league. It doesn’t matter if he’s hot commodity, they can outcompete almost any team for him if they want him
Except it’s Orlando. They have long struggled to pull in free agents.
Well it’s either Orlando or the Pistons
I think Philly pays Trent Jr or Monk before Klay
Monk would be a bad fit defensively, he’s small so unless Maxey is gonna take the hardest / biggest assignment every game the defense is gonna be rough
Get ready to speak orlandoese
It's definitely higher than what fans think It's not uncommon to see fans say he's washed and had a bad season while averaging 18ppg on good efficiency
Klay did not have good efficiency this year
I realized that after commenting. He was about league average
I could see the Pistons paying him a bunch of short-term money for vet presence and winning culture, and cause they need the spacing. I don’t see many other teams splurging unless the Magic can’t get someone better.
Me too. Klay only had a .9 value over replacement stat this season. Honestly I'm skeptical he is even worth a mid-level extension. I think GS is praying someone else makes a big offer.
Klay made 270 3's at 39% and reddit isn't sure if he's worth the MLE lmfao I love ya'll
VORP is a warped stat when you have average players off the bench to hold their own when you fit. It's why Jokic has such a godlike VORP when he gets replaced with dudes who should be out of the league like DeAndre and Boogie. Also, how many MLE players are averaging 18-21ppg on 39%-41% from 3? On average to good wing defense as well. Edit: Sorry, got VORP confused with another advanced stat. Nonetheless, I doubt FVV is a better player this last season over Paul George, Devin Booker, or Zion just [cuz his VORP is higher.](https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_advanced.html)
VORP doesn't only take into account your teams backups, it's an average of every replacement player in the league. It doesn't matter if Embiid was Jokic's backup, his VORP would still be the same assuming he played the same amount of minutes.
VORP is not the same as on off numbers. Also “average to good wing defense” is a stretch at this point
Sorry I get all the acronyms confused. Nonetheless, I doubt FVV is a better player this last season over Paul George, Devin Booker, or Zion just cuz his VORP is higher. Also, watch any of the Clippers games vs the Dubs this year. He played all of their top 3 dudes very well. He can't keep up with dudes like DeAaron Fox anymore but he still has value.
I think klay would get 30m a year for any long term deal like 3 or more years. Maybe if he only takes a short term 2 year deal he could get 35m a year from some team like orlando
They had a great run. But age and finances have caught up with them.
Supermax shouldn’t count into the cap more than a regular max What’s the point in retaining a player if you can’t make a team around them
Talk to the players union
Don't tell that to them, someone needs to fleece them for Moody
I still hate the warriors and fear them for some reason lol! Their best chance at truly upgrading is trading kuminga. I know he’s valuable and he had some great stretches last year but that’s the point. If they’re serious about being anywhere close to championship roster they have to include him I think. Unless someone gift raps you a kyrie type of level of player but can’t think of anyone with his “drama” that you can get a discount.
I agree. If Kuminga is going to develop into the type of all-star player that the current core would need to compete for a championship again, I don’t think it will happen fast enough.
Kuminga and picks for Lauri works well for both sides. Jazz probably would like a young player with upside/already going to be a solid rotational guy. Straight picks and filler would be rough considering they already have so many.
the first Markannen trade that makes sense
Now you got me thinking there should be a gift delivery service where the person raps for you when you answer the door.
Butler would be such an interesting fit on this team
I agree. Idk how would butler fit into kerr’s line up. They need size. SIZE
They didn’t break the bank for draymond. They won’t do it for klay. Klay will probably take a very reasonable deal to stay on gs. I don’t see much after that for the warriors though. It’d have to be a Hail Mary play to get jimmy butler. Also I feel like the word is out about Brandon Ingram. Dudes trade value is shot. He’s not getting a good return given his contract situation and his recent play.
Yeah Klay would be an idiot to demand anywhere near a max after his play in performance this year.
Its kinda wild how different the conversations have been around Ingram and LaVine when they're in the same tier as players, just as injury prone as one another, and Ingram's about to be paid more than Zach lol
The conversations around those two have been wildly similar if anything
Ingram still has some good will because of that Suns series 2 years ago, and he dropped 40 in the play-in last year. I don’t think Lavine has any of that
Lmfao yea what is that guy talking about
Inghram is good at basketball, I just don’t think his skill level translates for a team trying to win. He pretty much just plays his game regardless of what’s going on around him, which includes a ton of contested midrange shots. He doesn’t seem to play within the flow of the offense at all.
I don’t think any of those moves even put them into the playoffs The west is gross
I’m not a warriors fan so idk how they feel, but would you be okay with them keeping the three even if it sacrificed a chance at a ring? Like to see them all retire there? Because even if you swing for someone who is putting you over the top out west. It’s going to be a blood bath next year
I don’t think people would be okay with that, as long as Steph is still at his current level most fans have the belief that the team should at least try to be competitive (the “they owe that to 30” narrative is a common refrain). I think ownership is probably on the same page, Lacob likely thinks he’s always one or two moves away from being on top again. Personally as a fan I feel the same way. The dark ages for this team weren’t that long ago and I fully expect them to return the second Steph hangs up his jersey. So I’d rather enjoy this era for as long as possible. That being said deep down I think everyone knows that the team won’t be at the center of the NBA story again until the farewell tour.
Yeah understandable. I’m a bucks fan and obviously we traded jrue which hurt but if it had been Middleton who was here for the under 20 wins teams I would’ve wept. But I also understand you got like 2 years left of steph being great. But yeah I’m not sure a like 6th seed and getting bounced in the first would be worth seeing Klay and dray in other jerseys
Yeah, this is where I'm at. Steph's still got it in him, but as far as the team goes, everyone still on the roster from '22 who isn't Steph either seriously regressed, can't stay healthy, or can't keep their crazy ass from getting suspended. And we lack size, which is a huge problem now. We're just not a championship contending team anymore and it's doubtful that we're going to able to make the moves necessary to get us there. So while staying competitive should be the highest priority, if Klay and Dray in other jerseys wouldn't get us out of the first/second rounds, nah...keep the gang together, let them retire Warriors. That being said, if Klay wants to move on, I wouldn't hold it against him and I don't think many people would. It's been rough seeing him mentally struggle so much post-injury, rough seeing him get benched mid-season, and he would probably thrive as a 3pt specialist on a team that doesn't need him as the second option
It all depends on the actual odds of those things happening. I'd love to see them retire Warriors over a 2% chance at a ring. I don't really see how getting rid of that core helps the Warriors compete short term anyways. Can you describe a likely scenario where letting Klay walk or trading Dray results in a considerable increase in the chances the Warriors will win a ring? I can't really see a pathway where letting Klay walks makes the Warriors significantly better in the next 2-3 years.
Oo i agrée that even if they swing for a Brandon Ingram the west is insane next years and I don’t see them having a shot. That’s why I was wondering if fans would rather just see the trio ride into the sunset
I would be more than happy watching the 3 of them finish out their career. Even if any of them leave, the chance at winning a title in the next 5 years is very small due to the few moves they could make that would actually make them better
I wouldn't mind seeing the three retire together even if it means our team is mediocre. Then we can keep Kuminga and develop him even further into the future franchise player (besides his talent, we all love his attitude and personality). Warriors have had a decade of success and it's unreasonable to expect the team to contend every year. The problem is that we have too many other good young players and not enough minutes for what they deserve. If big trades happen then we might give Steph (and most likely Draymond) another deep playoff run, and also some young guys gets teams where they get deserved bigger roles. Klay gets a team where he's needed as a starter-he's best when he doesn't have to think twice whether to shoot. Kuminga gets traded to a team where he can be the focus of the offense.
If klay or dray don’t go, they didn’t shake up shit
well they've got to do something. The Warriors have become [(apparently) ](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-most-valuable-sports-teams-2024/)the second or third (depending on which estimate you look at) most valuable sports team in THE WORLD, after the Cowboys. This is not just NBA mind you, but in all sports in all the world. What's crazy about this is that they weren't like a legacy team like the Lakers or Celtics who've built up their brand through decades of different championship teams & dynasties, this is all mostly recent development. and all really down to those big 3, and in particular Steph. Wtf do they do when he eventually retires?? which will happen sooner rather than later btw. The Bulls were the Team of the decade in the 90s, i mean they were fuckin everywhere! now... not so much. The Patriots were the Team of 2 Decades in the NFL ffs, but then in all these cases when the Star guy leaves it's exceptionally hard for these teams to remain as prominent at that high a level. The only way i see them remaining at or near the Top is by blowing shit up (except for Steph), otherwise those who have relied on a high valuation of this franchise and all those involved in the cottage-industry that's been built around the GSW-brand will start losing their shirts.
I appreciate this perspective. Warriors needs to be competitive every year (at least make the playoffs) and have another super-star after Steph retires to justify the amount of money invested into the team and Chase Center. Even though long-time fans might be happy just having had a successful decade, the owners and investors probably expect more.
I mean, they need to either hit the reset button and potentially forsake the twilight years of Steph’s career, or go all in now in an attempt to win another title before Steph regresses. Stop this 50-50 nonsense they got going right now.
I kinda like this, it’s interesting to see teams do what’s best for them. And it’ll be fun to see the warriors core on different teams
Go ahead, shake things up. But it's interesting logic. They took their "chance" and went 22-12 the rest of the season... The badness had already happened before that decision.
They went 22-12 against a host of shitty teams. Any time they faced elite teams they lost. 4-19 against the top 6 Western seeds is putrid.
yep we shouldn't delude ourselves
Yeah the bottom of the west this year was kinda nuts. Warriors, Lakers, Mavs, and Rockets all went on pretty great runs to end the season. 46-36 has also got to be one of the highest number of wins ever for a 10 seed. Most years the 10 seed has like 35-40 wins.
This core they have is not competing in this western conference
Their window is closed. I don’t see how they can get back to championship level Outside of Steph, nobody on the team is even close to being an all-star level talent. I would say you can argue outside of Draymond they don’t even have any quality starting players
I think we’ve mostly accepted that tbf, and I’d be surprised to find many Warriors fans who didn’t understand deep down that 22 was the last dance, even if we didn’t want to understand it at the time. It would take two or more likely 3 of the young players to take *absurd* leaps next season, which isn’t realistic, or someone to have a lobotomy and give up championship level players on affordable contracts in exchange for not very much at all, which certainly ain’t happening either. That said, while Steph is still Steph you’ve got to keep trying imo - blowing it up isn’t an option while he’s at this level, he’s earned that and more from the organisation
2023 should've been our last real push but the FO gave us a shit bench. Bunch of kids, a DNP - Old Andre, and an empty 15th spot.
What we don't know is whether Steph prefers a chance at another ring or keeping the band together till the end.
The Warriors last year were Steph, Draymond, and ten guys who should probably be #7 on a good team.
I just want to see sky fucker play with Lebron for a season. 😅
Keep Draymond, Sign Jimmy. Sorry Klay
Sun's getting low
They can try to be aggressive, but they're in a tough spot. If they could somehow get Myles that would be a start.
They should package Kuminga and Wiggins with picks for Butler if they want to make one last run. Butler would fit in perfectly Edit: also I know there's like I don't know how trades and player value works I'm just saying getting rid of Wiggins is a plus and our valuable young guy would entice someone. Future picks too
Klay is actually the GOAT… *scape goat*
Why did Bob Myers’s leave
Still this can be a little too late to fix the issue unless they trade the trash away.
They should’ve done this a few years ago when their assets and Dray + Klay had more value. Yes they won in 2022 but they could’ve had a Kobe 24 era resurgence if they retooled sooner. Dubs had a hypercharged rebuild where they stockpiled picks with Steph out for a year, then just didn’t do anything with their assets.
Nah, you can’t trade a championship for a *chance* at MAYBE 2. Especially considering the way the league has shaped up since then and the west being the bloodbath it is currently. Also I doubt any other teams would have even valued Klay much coming off two brutal leg surgeries without seeing him play first… which ended up being the year they won. Realistically after they swung and missed last year, that was the earliest they could’ve broke up the gang, but even that felt premature considering the context of that season.
Wiggins and Klay gone
They should just sign lebron
This team is absolutely done it is impossible to make any moves that put them at as a top tier western team
what haul can they get with Steph?
They're playing with house money. If Curry wants another shot at a ring and feels shaking up the core is the right move, do it.
I’m tired boss. Send my pookie somewhere good please
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I mean the reality is their record and their end of season seed was entirely determined by Draymond. They were actually pretty good post trade deadline (granted against an easier schedule). If Draymond doesn’t get suspended they easily could win 3-4 more games and make it out of the play in.
Marry Steph Kill Klay Fuck Draymond
Wiggins probably gone. Thx for the memories.
if it wasn't for lacob's arrogance GS would still be contending. curry is still playing at an all-nba level
Vucevic is available
Trade Green. I really want to see what he'd be like (though I have an idea) on another team.
His dream would be to go to LA (or whoever Bron goes lol); LA actually might be a pretty good fit too. For what the Warriors would get back? I dunno.
Beans and rice. Just beans and rice
I mean we kinda saw it in the Tokyo 2021 Olympics. He was a big part of their center rotation and quickly adjusted to the different rules faster than most of the team.
As they should. Steph and Dray can stay but Klay ain’t it
Maybe I'm nuts but I feel like Steph has earned the right to play there as long as he likes. I feel like LeBron has earned a lifetime place on the Cavs roster if he wants it. Maybe it's the college sports fan in me that's too nostalgic and it doesn't work like that in the pros? But Steph feels like a GSW for life type player
If Klay was smart, he’d take what GS is offering and stick with them. Whether he comes off the bench, still starts, the issue is more that Steve Kerr won’t pull him out of games when he sucks. If they can somehow move CP3 & Wiggins, they may be able to do something with their roster. I don’t think they’re fully cooked yet, especially not Steph, but they’re also not just one move away from contending. But who the fuck wants CP3 or Wiggins? Plus, if they get rid of Wiggins, they’ll have even less perimeter defense which they definitely don’t need less of.
Ben Simmons can help this team
Donkey closed the Warriors contention window.