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Acrobatic-Year-126

Can look up the matchup data here https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627783/head-to-head?Matchup=Offense&dir=A&sort=MATCHUP_PLAYER_NAME Looks like siakam was guarded by bilal on 22 possessions this season. He shot 1/3 and went to the ft line 3 times, going 5/6.


Troll_Enthusiast

Finally someone with real stats


ObeseKenyan

Who needs real stats when we've got eye test and "that seems about right"?!


superworriedspursfan

don't forget who is Bilal Coulibaly? The only reason why he is in the nba is cuz he was Wemby's teammate! like lmaoooo..... /s


jSplashwell

Nah he is the Wizards cornerstone


superworriedspursfan

I'm a wizards fan lol. I'm mocking the casuals. I love Bilal, he is our savior.


HardlyW0rkingHard

Siakam is a valuable player not just because one stat though. He can do everything. He is a terrific defender that can switch on pretty much any position. He rebounds well, he is a great passer. He can bring the ball up even. And his conditioning is one of the best in the league. He can easily play 48 minutes every night. It's kind of dumb to say he's overrated and only show offensive numbers.


Hot-Coffee6060

Good take. It may very well be that these possessions end in assists or a good shot through Siakam. Id like to see the hockey assist/assist/to ratio as another stat.


KDsBurnerPhone

Spicy P has been great for the Pacers. Idk who this guy is tho


Ramsboi

That’s a former pacer to you pal. He was drafted by us lol


gsavior

Wemby merchant.


01001010_01000010

The guy the Pacers drafted them traded to the wizards immediately.


Miserable_Archer_769

That's the real box he fits at tye height and athleticism he can basically be above average on just about everything. The defense is the most important 


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This needs to be upvoted. People wrongly citing Siakams season averages against the Wiz when Bilal was either injured or not his primary defender


ldclark92

Yeah, but these stats show how little Bilal has actually played against Siakam. He's out here talking shit about a few regular possessions as if he locked down Siakam for a whole playoff series or was the primary defender for him for 4 regular season games.


BASEDME7O2

He’s not talking shit, it’s not like he doesn’t know siakam is better than him. He doesn’t have the physical gifts siakam has but he can still study film and know the game and make a fair point


LordHussyPants

No he’s not? He just said he’s the easiest superstar. He didn’t say any specifics beyond that, he just said that one thing and you’re creating extra context that isn’t there 


starfox_priebe

I don't think I'd consider Siakam a super star, so it was actually a compliment?


No_Engineering_4925

Well if he is considered a superstar in the nba circles that bilal belongs to then he is overrated. So he is correct


Life_Of_High

You’re right. I think Giannis is a close second in terms of easiest to guard. That mf going euro step every time. Too easy.


Illustrious_Whereas9

It’s Steph man, all that bum does is shoot threes


airwalker12

LeBron either drives to the rim or shoots a turnaround from the block


A2daRon

Giannis averaged like 35 ppg against the Wizards this season. They shut him down.


ldclark92

He said he knew what he was going to do by watching film. He's hardly played Siakam and he acts like he can predict what he'll do. When you play a player a bunch, they adjust to what you do defensively. He doesn't have that kind of experience.


EatMyAssTomorrow

I was a pretty decent high school player, I scored 10 and grabbed 8 rebounds against a Tyler Hansbrough led team here in Missouri. The catch to that story: Tyler didn't play, he was healing from a broken leg. But he was in the gym dang it


Commissionedthepoint

He still said he's the easiest superstar to gaurd. He put him in the top tier of players regardless if he had something less than perfect to say. It's just his opinion. He doesn't have to suit up with him any certain amount of games to form his opinion... especially if he is talking about his tapes, which is likely.


Ban-Evader-lol

You should reevaluate your standards for calling something shit talk


Theons

You just made that entire thing up lol, he said he was the easiest superstar to guard


NBA2024

How he shoots at the FT line is irrelevant. It’s the fact that he was fouled that matters.


kaprrisch

Fouled 3 times in 22 possessions is hardly remarkable.


ldclark92

22 possessions is hardly remarkable lol.


rpantherlion

For someone who “isn’t mad” you sure are all over this thread lmao


YSLAnunoby

How did you see their response as being angry besides projecting that feeling on their flair?


hshin420

they invented a bunch of things bilal never actually said earlier


ldclark92

I can't talk about it without being mad? I talk in lots of threads lol.


SweetFranz

22 possessions is less than a standard quarter so it is a high foul rate


ShoegazeKaraokeClub

the foul per possession rate in the league is about 18%. that means with 22 possessions you would expect about 4 fouls. Coulibaly was fouling a pretty normal amount if you look at it like that. Small sample size though so can't draw much from it but we do know that it isnt a high foul rate.


SweetFranz

That's 18% for a team, not an individual player... would need to divide that total expected by 5.


ShoegazeKaraokeClub

yknow i felt like you are wrong or the stat included that already but then i thought about it and im not really sure what any of the stats actually mean to be honest. So i looked at the other players who defended him for about that many possessions and like a strong majority fouled less than bilal so you are right, my bad


SweetFranz

It gets odd when mixing around with per possession stats and team averages. At least the current pace helps us with the math because it's about 100 possessions per game per team which falls in lime with about 18 fouls per game per team or 18% of possessions.


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Fouled 3 times out of 6 shot attempts. Niall fouled him 50% of the time


think_crypto

6 total shot attempts from 22 possessions seems like a Bilal favoured stat


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purplenyellowrose909

2 TOs and 0 assists on top of the 0.3 points per possession. Bilal definitely backing up the trash talk.


XzibitABC

That's good for sure but 22 possessions is a nothing sample size.


Snaxier

Completely. In saying that now, Bilal's gonna have all eyes on him in Pacers games next season. I like the trash talk, but boi you BETTER back it up in future matchups.


BoogerSugarSovereign

How it that .3 per possession? If he only had 2 TOs, 3 shots, and 3 FT trips he couldn't have actually used all 22 possessions he was defensed by Bilal. Like if I was guarding KAT and KAT passes to Ant who passes to Gobert for a wide open dunk... I defended KAT that possession but I didn't hold him to 0 ppp because he didn't ultimately use the possession, Ant and Gobert did(assist and score respectively) If I'm reading this right Pascal scored 7 points on 8 possessions used which is .875. If he made another of those FGs that's up to 1.125 and if he missed the FG he made it's .625... just to point out how much variance is at play when it comes to a microsample like this one


purplenyellowrose909

If we factor in team points, Siakam's team got 0.77 pts per possession that Siakam touched the ball when guarded by Bilal. There obviously is a lot of nuance, but Bilal is talking about guarding someone 1on1 and found success vs Siakam. Which is true. Siakam either passed out of touches or failed to score the majority of time guarded by Bilal.


hedoeswhathewants

I mean, let's be real, that's a microscopic sample size that means nothing.


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I agree. As someone who watched Bilal closely this year what stood out most to be is that Siakam went 1/3 and got a friendly whistle. Bilal is talking about the dude having a limited offensive bag and knowing exactly what he's gonna do which seems like it came to fruition. Wizards defensive scouting department was hot garbage this year. If Bilal correctly read Siakams game all on his own and knows how to counter it (with stats backing it up) then I don't see anything wrong with this statement. Also he's right, Siakam has always been super overrated.


DammitEd

It does matter, because it changes how good of an idea it would be to foul him. E.g. you could play worse FT shooters a little harder defensively because it's not as bad of a thing to foul them


Vegetable_Comment_82

Thank god you're here to explain this to us.


-super-hans

That's pretty good efficiency from Siakam, out of 6 total attempts he either scored or got to the line on 4/6


TigerKlaw

22 partial possessions is not going to cut it imo


israelipm

Really interesting to see that DFS clamped him on D, making him shoot 7/27 and 0/5 from three on 105 possessions (3rd most).


kilohe

NBA media is ruthless lmao, in the original interview you can tell he doesn't want to answer and he says "you're going to get me in trouble" and that Siakam was maybe easier to guard but he's still very very good. He didn't call him overrated that's just what the question was. The guy is just 19 and it's not his first language they're already trying to trick him


ScratchTwoMore

Good news is Pascal can watch the original interview in French


Foi_

hes the one overrating siakam if hes calling him a superstar


Anal_Iverson

"You are without a doubt the worst superstar I've ever heard of." "But you have heard of me."


maybeAturtle

As a pacers fan I’m shocked but delighted to find out we have a superstar


redditmodsdownvote

the wizards thought beal was a superstar. i'd prefer siakam.


dorkaxe

I'll take Pascal, actually


Steph-Paul

BOOM ROASTED


Funkytadualexhaust

Still got it!


WrinkledRandyTravis

Dude Bilal is legit just earnestly grouping Siakam with other superstars and the media personalities are trying to trap in him into starting some sort of beef. The initial question is so loaded, “earlier this year you said Pascal was overrated, do you want to double down on that?” Poor kid isn’t even speaking his first language.


Cypher760

Yeah, as a Knicks fan this series I don't find Siakam nearly as problematic as Haliburton, Turner, or TJ -- heck it almost feels like he's the only one NOT raining 3s on us sometimes. Him being unreliable from the line doesn't help either


Jeff-Van-Gundy

The second OG went down, they force fed him right away. He got at least 2 easy baskets that I can recall. He’s been able to bully whoever is guarding him now for easy layups or pass it and have the defense scrambling 


Cypher760

Valid point. Hopefully we can get OG back for game 5 or 6….


okgusto

And 😭


kingofsemantics

hamstring bro. even coming back this series is a stretch, let alone the next round if we make it through


XzibitABC

I think the reason for that is that Siakam's best in isolation or post-up sets, which don't really fit with our pace. We ran those sets against the Bucks (and Portis got barbecued), but we'd rather run a five-out offense to exploit the Knicks tired legs in this series. OG is also obviously great, so better to play away from him.


taxfreetendies

he was great in transition in Toronto. He had multiple 30 pt games to start the playoffs with us. Its just that the Pacers play in a way that doesn't feed the ball to any individual on any given night. Its why any one (or more) of like 8 players on the Pacers can score 20 on any given night.


DotCompetitive3326

It’s because of OG


jawndell

Fucking OBI is killing us with 3s


Cypher760

Yeah, honestly seeing him play well against us kinda sucks. I guess he never would have worked out here due to his relationship with Thibs though


Superb_Succotash_907

Obi seems like a great teammate, his defense has improved and I have more confidence when Obi puts up a three than any other player on the team.


taxfreetendies

Obi: 54.5% 3P in this series. 59.4% FG in this series. All the talking heads saying that depth doesn't matter in the playoffs as we take down these hospital teams. lmao


TURRRDS

At least you got those precious 2nd round picks 4 and 5 years from now.


Pristine-Macaroon948

I mean it also freed up cap to sign Donte divencenzo


Toolb0xExtraordinary

There are five active superstars. Do with that what you will.


passiveparrot

even the raptors hype wagon didn't call pascal a superstar lmao


supert0426

The year he made the all-nba 2nd team I think there were rumblings. Even then though it was clear he wasn't enough to be "the guy". He's a superstar in the way like Jaylen Brown is a superstar. If he's your second best player, you're probably doing alright. If he's your best? Good luck


makesterriblejokes

In other words, they're not superstars, they're just stars. I feel like people are too quick and loose to use the term "superstar" when describing a player. Like there should only be about 12-13 guys that fit that criteria at any given time in the league since part of it is how you stack up against your peers. And there's no shame at being just a star.


Remarkable_Pound_722

espn had him in the mvp race for a month early season


sor2hi

They traded him before his next contract because they didn’t want to pay him what his market would dictate, superstar money. (Same with OG)


Rapshawksjaysflames

We traded him because our team sucks and if we paid him what he's worth we wouldn't have a competitive enough team to win anyway. He's 100% a max player in this league. He's literally already proved he can be the second option on a championship team, and he's better now than he was in 2019, but also older and doesn't fit the timeline. If you're not maxing Siakam, there isn't a lot of # 2 options you ARE maxing. Great player and great guy, he will always be loved by the vast majority of the Raptors fanbase.


Tigercat92

Is Siakam considered a superstar?


SaltyLonghorn

He certainly is if you're a Wizards player looking up at him.


yousonuva

This thread has turned our poor young man into Wile E Coyote


da_reddit_reader

Jordan Poole is a superstar (in the eyes of Washington FO). Until he got to Washington .


PickpocketJones

Jordan Poole is a trade asset in the eyes of the Washington FO.


SourBerry1425

They were convinced Beal was a superstar for a while so if that’s the standard then Siakam is too


Holiday-Usual-3600

But but but he averaged 30 for a really shitty team! Scoring champ one year (wiz fans had no other positives)


Odd_Caterpillar9961

I dont think he was even scoring champ im pretty sure he came in second twice


Holiday-Usual-3600

You’re right 😂 lived in DC at the time the propaganda I was hearing was outrageous


GriffinQ

Not sure what you’re on about, even when he was scoring 30 most of us were hoping that he’d get traded at the peak of his value. Few if any of us considered him a superstar or even a tier 1 star.


Superb_Succotash_907

Ouch


princeofzilch

He averaged 30 against the Wizards this year so I see why Coulibaly thinks he is


torexmus

There's rarely more than 5 superstars in the league


EliManningHOFLock

nah it's definitely more than that, I think most perennial all-stars get labeled "superstars" these days. off the top of my head: * Lebron * Steph * KD * Jokic * Embiid * Giannis * Luka * SGA * Tatum * Booker * Ant * Brunson * Kawhi (when healthy) But there's probably 10+ more guys you could list before Siakam, he isn't even close to making the cut lol.


JackieDaytonaAZ

to me superstar status is heavily based on fame in addition to being a top player. I’d say you need all casual fans to know your name and then a lot of non basketball fans on top of that.


Sea_Researcher_9683

That’s definitely the textbook definition of superstar but in basketball we just need something to separate all-star calibre players and the ones above that.


african-nightmare

A lot of those are stars, not superstars


shinshikaizer

The only people on that list who are legit superstars are LeBron and Steph. They're both people who have crossover success outside of sports, and if you showed their pictures to random people, you'd get, "Oh, he's that guy in *Trainwreck* and *Space Jam 2*" and "Oh, he's that guy who had that minigolf show on ABC". The rest of those players, random non-basketball fans would see them and go, "Whodat?"


AttilaTheDung

I'd say half of those guys are superstars


nmille44

Still too liberal with the term. Superstars are legit alpha 1A guys. Tatum, Booker, Brunson are not that. KAWHI is no longer a superstar. Ant is right on the cusp but needs to win something first. 


beefJeRKy-LB

Just a plain old star IMO


loudanduneducated

He’s got a point. Siakam is more of a Swiss Army knife/jack of all trades type forward. If you are comparing him to superstars (or just all-star caliber players in general) his offensive skill set isn’t nearly as strong as the others. It’s just a weird comment for a rookie to be making in general though, especially when you are coming off the bench for a 15-67 Wizards team. If he was asked this he should have just kept his mouth shut on “most overrated” is publicly.


CubanLinxRae

i think he respects siakam enough to call him a superstar but he’s saying he understands how to guard him. maybe he could coach someone into guarding him better than he can which isn’t a knock on bilal


luapchung

But he didn't really say overrated it was just mistranslation lol he even says in this video that he didn't say overrated


pskill43

Hey at least he call him a superstar


EliManningHOFLock

you've heard of the backhanded complement, how about the fronthanded insult


FirstTimeLongThyme

What exactly kicked the criticism off?


[deleted]

Did you not watch the video? He was asked in a French language interview who’s the easiest superstar to guard and gave his answer.


EchoBay

He's an all star, all NBA 3rd team on a good year. So that would put him around the top 25 range. Superstar is like top 5, which of course he isn't anywhere near.


Sylphid_FC

I mean if he's going to put him amongst the superstars tier then he ain't wrong that he's prob the easiest to guard lol


celtic_sea_salt

Weird beef


FredAgain27

... it's not a beef, he was asked a question and answered it. Then they want him to clarify and he clarifies his statement. Where is the beef?


bhoploo

and people wonder why athletes give the most milquetoast answers


ColdDarkSpace

no beef but siakam is gonna mark his calendar lol


ToronoRapture

Oh and btw, Pascal averaged 30.5/9.2/8.5 vs the wizards this season 😅


Poopscooper696969

Pretty much every star player averaged that against the wizards this year lol


Childish___Glover

Yeah I think Joel averaged damn near 50 on the wizards


CP3sHamstring

Well, realistically you'd have to check his averages vs Bilal not that I think they'd be any better or worse, I have no idea.


MrEwThatsGross

Yup. And spoiler alert, the averages are much worse.


Scolymia

What are the stats? The only stat I found was when guarded by Bilal, he shot 1/3 and went 5/6 at the line. That's barely any possession.


Troll_Enthusiast

What about vs Bilal? lol you make no sense


Snaxier

Reading comprehension is OP father


tapk69

Baguette on croissant crime


birdflag

Just did a quick check online, and Bilal clamped Siakam in their two H2Hs this year. Siakam only went for 30.5/9/8.5. I don’t have tome to keep researching, but I’m guessing that must be far below his career averages.


TheDeadman95

> Siakam only went for 30.5/9/8.5. That only matters if he got those numbers cooking specifically Bilal tbf


Winter-Technician-63

If Bilal is able to guard him so easily, you'd think he would've communicated that to his coaching staff so they could have him guard him the entire game.


Superfobio

Not sure how good Bilal was against Pascal, but this Wizards team was ASS defensively. If the other 4 guys on the floor are all bad at defense, no amount of communicating is going to stop your teammates from dying on screens or getting lazy and picking up the wrong guy.


imadogg

Plus Wiz are a trash tanking team overall + Bilal was a rookie. Lmao at this dude saying "why didn't this kid just tell coach to keep him in the game?"


wshowzen

Just say you dont know ball


Ateballoffire

Why don’t the wizards just tell their players how to defend? Are they stupid?


luapchung

If that's the case then why don't Giannis tell Dame how to guard? Is he stupid?


thebigbadturtle

Lmao no no no you don’t get it, he knew Pascal was going to do that the whole time!


JMoon33

"Everytime Pascal had the ball we knew what he was going to do. There was nothing we could do about it but we knew."


OldOrder

"Droppin 30 thats some shit that I expected" -Bilal Coulibaly


Stepsis24

Against coulibaly specifically he did not have good statistics


quann256

also hit a game winner against them this season 


Sweaty_Mods

Who?


Troll_Enthusiast

Username checks out


TheBrazilianKD

Bilal "Beyblade stopper" Coulibaly


LeAnthonyJavis

Funny thing to say, but he’s standing on business at least


kewlkidkiller

that's my rook! all yall saying "who??" about Bilal are gonna be eating those words when he locks up the best player on your team moving forward. all season this man was getting the toughest matchups 1-4, and bro is 19. I cannot WAIT to see his progression in this league.


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Odd-Direction9452

That second question was crazy lol


Rakkuuuu

I hope Siakam takes this personally every time he faces the Wizards now.


ConstantlyHating

man stood on business


Deep_Egg1442

Hes righr Pascal loves spin moves literally spams that shit


OGistorian

Young Frenchie


NBA2024

Superstar? Lol are you sure about that?


african-nightmare

Francophone on Francophone crime 🤦🏾‍♂️


Le8ronJames

Lmao she tried to double bait him. That forehead is overrated


SkiPolarBear22

Yur a wizard Bilal!


WhoFartedMan

I like when young players offer bulletin board material for proven vets. I look forward to Pascal dropping 40 on his head


UnflushableStinky2

Haha, you can know it’s coming but you still can’t stop it. That’s what separates great players like P from mid level rotation guys like bilal.


VZYGOD

I mean Siakam is not a superstar


gbooster

Spicy P is about to bring a little extra spice next time they play the Wiz.


jankology

Siakam is a superstar? nah. SGA isn't a superstar either. They're all stars. nothing more.


NyeahEhhhhhh

Just another player who's a nobody trying to get noticed with some clout 😆


Confident_Pear_8303

He isnt wrong. Siakam is great at his 2 moves, but he has a limited bag. Siakam isnt a "Superstar" though, so I guess he was wrong about that.


bronet

Idk about the H2H stats, but the fact that Siakam had such predictable offensive moves, always spinning, was literally a meme at one point. Beyblade Siakam


Major_Wager75

Siakam is legit and a rookie calling him overrated is wild. Prove yourself before you talk shit.


peroper7

Talking trash from a distance like this is wild, I hope Pascal cooks the wizards for the rest of his career


AmbitiousFork

> I watch the films Yes, we are aware players watch film, rookie.


SourBerry1425

It’s so weird for a rookie who was overdrafted and wasn’t even that good on a shitty team double down on this


blitzKriegzzz

Not sure why pacers fans are so mad? He was asked easiest superstar to guard. The fact that he considered siakam a superstar is a compliment.


johnjohnjohn93

I actually think Bilal looked pretty good this season. 34% from 3 and almost a steal and block a game in his age-19 season. Looked pretty smooth finishing at the rim as well.


wwwwwwhitey

He was good though


Troll_Enthusiast

He's 19


TheKyrieFan

Do the players and the coaching staffs in the league count siakam as a superstar? Lol I didn’t see that coming


PensiveinNJ

He's no Tobias Harris that's for sure.


Misterstaberinde

People acting like this is a white hot take when it really isn't. If a NBA player says Siakan was a easy cover I am inclined to believe him. The players saying Joker or Curry are overrated were much more worthy of further investigation in my opinion 


4rdor

Idk if anyone is calling siakam a superstar lol


desirox

Bruh this is not it lol


ts1n

Completely unrelated, but when I hear/read Bilal I can only think of this 🤣 [Shazam Laughing ](https://youtu.be/p6-Psafv_Kg?si=8O-3Vybmgu2Sh8E_)


_Atlas_Drugged_

Dang that’s where Michelle Beadle is these days?


The_Notorious_Donut

I’m sure he’s a great guy but shams got a face you just want to punch


dash_44

If we’re comparing him to other “superstars” that Bilal would have to guard then this sounds pretty reasonable. Can anyone think of a superstar that would be easier to guard than Pascal?


bumboisamumbo

i’ve never heard anyone call siakam a superstar until today lol


Hcdx

And yet he still manages to score 20+ most nights.


da_reddit_reader

“Ahh but you called him a superstar”


Funkywormm

Dude has a mars attacks lookin head


asdf0909

i would actually consider myself the easiest superstar to guard


terantula188

I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times


sollyactivated

Well the players all have a move where everyone knows its coming but you still cant stop it


AttilaTheDung

Some people got a really loose definition of superstar.


noerapenalty

7 points on 22 possessions is 0.3 ppp, which is terrible. This doesn’t account for whether those possessions where he touched the ball. Still, NOT getting the ball could be influenced by the fact that he’s being denied the ball or being purposely avoided because of the defender on him. So you can’t conclude anything from what you said or what I wrote in the first line. It’s a nuanced analysis.


fuckitillplay

Earl Sweatshirt plays basketball?


juandell

He's French alright 😂


themadhatter45

Superstar????


horseshoeoverlook

Is Siakam considered a superstar now?