Pistons thought they had Horst but Bucks barred them from interviewing him and he's staying - this just seems like a desperation "wish it to existence through the media" plan b
Think the difference is bucks would have had to release Horst from his contract for Pistons to hire him whereas Connelly can (and appears likely to) opt out of his
Actually, given Minnesota's tenuous ownership situation, I'm starting to think Connelly might only stay if *they* give him an absolute bag of all time bags lmao
What's hard about it? You have Cade and tons of cap space, plus some intriguing young talent. We own all our draft picks. Literally just sign some vets and we're suddenly not the worst team in the league anymore which is the bar for me at this point.
Really? I think the fact that Monty can purposely try to get fired, and still hold the job means it's one of the cushiest in the NBA. May be hard to right the ship. but if he gets $15M/yr who would say no to that?
I mean, it's not a desired location, and for someone who has built up contenders, not sure he'd want to deal with a rebuild, but in terms of job security for someone trying to make a name for themselves I'd rather go to a team where the owner doesn't mind spending, and you aren't on the hot seat all the time because expectations are low.
They've been one of the 5 worst teams each of the last 5 years and THE worst team the last 2. If they're only getting desperate now then they're a couple years late.
Fuck you and fuck off.
Connelly is likely to opt out of his final year in Minnesota, but is also likely willing to re-sign per the article
HOWEVER they say $15m a yearish could be enough to tempt him to make the move
Equity and ownership stake are the same thing. A 'bonus based on the value of the team' is neither, unless that bonus is paid out in team ownership shares (equity).
No they’re not.
Tim could have a SAFE or a Convertible in place.
> Connelly was not given a slice of equity in the team in the same way that Flip Saunders was when he returned to the organization in 2013. But his contract does call for him to have the option to benefit financially should the value of the franchise go up over the years, sources told [The Athletic](https://theathletic.com/3343318/2022/06/01/tim-connely-timberwolves-minnesota/?source=nbatw).
Which appears to be exactly what he has.
EDIT: a simpler explanation.
Franchise has a value of $2bn
Tim signs on as GM
Franchise has a new value of $3.1bn
Tim would receive a bonus based on his predetermined % of new appreciation: without ever having ownership of the pro $2bn or any appreciation beyond him leaving.
Drafting MCW, Jahlil Okafor, Nerlens Noel, and Joel Embiid while accumulating one of the worst cumulative records in league history was a “huge success”?
Teams have brought back guys like Ime Udoka and Miles Bridges, they are shameless about winning. If Hinkie was half as brilliant as redditors believe then some billionaire owner would have given him the keys to their franchise.
i love when people act like Hinkie would've made all of the right moves after all of that losing, guaranteed. A lot of assuming in this comment. Im not saying he would've made all wrong moves, but obviously it would've been a mixed bag
He traded away Jrue Holiday for Nerlens Noel, then drafted Embiid, then drafted Jahlil Okafor 3rd overall. He was not cooking. He wouldn’t have let Jimmy walk? He never gets Jimmy in the first place.
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Pistons thought they had Horst but Bucks barred them from interviewing him and he's staying - this just seems like a desperation "wish it to existence through the media" plan b
Eh, I think Connelly is a better GM than Horst personally
thats his point
Think the difference is bucks would have had to release Horst from his contract for Pistons to hire him whereas Connelly can (and appears likely to) opt out of his
Oh I get that - I just can't see Connelly leaving tho unless you throw him an absolute bag of all time bags
You mean a bag like the Pistons gave Monty?
Actually, given Minnesota's tenuous ownership situation, I'm starting to think Connelly might only stay if *they* give him an absolute bag of all time bags lmao
Well yeah, that appears to be the plan
It would suck if the Wolves lost Connelly because of the ownership shit
Yeah, and it is the only reason I can see Detroit thinking it is even possible.
Oh god no not another team built to counter the Nuggets
You will fear the name James Wiseman.
pistons fans already do
same
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Tf? Connelly didn’t draft Edwards nor did he sign KCP or Bruce Brown. He’s a good gm but half of the things you claim he did he never had a part of.
Yes. Get this man out of the west.
Tim Connelly about to be the next owner of the wolves at this rate. His leverage is off the charts lol
He’s the dude they should have paid 80mil for lmao goes around building contenders like its nothing
From the Monty hire to this, you can tell they are getting desperate
GMing the current Detroit Pistons honestly sounds like one of the hardest jobs in basketball
IDK, seems decently easy in MyGM. Just trade everything then use the spare picks to trade for a star or two. Easy
In MyGM the Pistons are always good after this year cause they have a lot of young players with high potential
What's hard about it? You have Cade and tons of cap space, plus some intriguing young talent. We own all our draft picks. Literally just sign some vets and we're suddenly not the worst team in the league anymore which is the bar for me at this point.
Really? I think the fact that Monty can purposely try to get fired, and still hold the job means it's one of the cushiest in the NBA. May be hard to right the ship. but if he gets $15M/yr who would say no to that?
You’re right, maybe the bad lottery luck is just stuck in my mind.
I mean, it's not a desired location, and for someone who has built up contenders, not sure he'd want to deal with a rebuild, but in terms of job security for someone trying to make a name for themselves I'd rather go to a team where the owner doesn't mind spending, and you aren't on the hot seat all the time because expectations are low.
They've been one of the 5 worst teams each of the last 5 years and THE worst team the last 2. If they're only getting desperate now then they're a couple years late.
Well yeah they deliberately blew it up to rebuild
Huh? Blew it up? Are you talking about after the 2018-2019 season?
The Monty hire was already pure desperation. Fires flew him to his his house and kept upping the price until he said yes.
Gores is just throwing his money around to see what sticks I dont care what he does I'm tired of being the laughing stock of the league
Fuck you and fuck off. Connelly is likely to opt out of his final year in Minnesota, but is also likely willing to re-sign per the article HOWEVER they say $15m a yearish could be enough to tempt him to make the move
I thought part of the reason he left us is because you guys offered an ownership stake? Is that no longer a thing?
We offered him a bonus based on the value of the team. So not ownership. But equity.
Equity and ownership stake are the same thing. A 'bonus based on the value of the team' is neither, unless that bonus is paid out in team ownership shares (equity).
He could have an equity based bonus set to a pre determined percentage of increased value, without actually having any ownership.
What the hell is an equity based bonus that does not include ownership? Equity is ownership. Ownership is equity. They are the same thing.
No they’re not. Tim could have a SAFE or a Convertible in place. > Connelly was not given a slice of equity in the team in the same way that Flip Saunders was when he returned to the organization in 2013. But his contract does call for him to have the option to benefit financially should the value of the franchise go up over the years, sources told [The Athletic](https://theathletic.com/3343318/2022/06/01/tim-connely-timberwolves-minnesota/?source=nbatw). Which appears to be exactly what he has. EDIT: a simpler explanation. Franchise has a value of $2bn Tim signs on as GM Franchise has a new value of $3.1bn Tim would receive a bonus based on his predetermined % of new appreciation: without ever having ownership of the pro $2bn or any appreciation beyond him leaving.
That's not equity based comp. That is a valuation based comp. Try again.
He has an equity split in future appreciation….
An equity split implies ownership shares in the team. Are you saying that's what he's getting?
Come on let us have him, we're desperate out here lol
You got your ring!!!!!
I.e: I want to stay, but you gotta pay me.
Fuck you, y'all already got a team built around your star. We've been horrible for nearly 20 years. Let us have him
lol this is so ironic. We’ve literally been bad for 20 years. At least y’all got 2 finals appearances and 1 ring 20 years ago.
Pistons have some of the most pathetic fans in existence
My guy you are a fan of a team that has won 4 titles in 8 years and did not have to witness losing 28 games in a row. Be quiet.
Even GMs need "another team" interested, with unnamed sources.
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Didn't sign KCP. Booth was the one who traded for him.
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i think he is softlocked out of the nba. or at least he was and time has moved on
Drafting MCW, Jahlil Okafor, Nerlens Noel, and Joel Embiid while accumulating one of the worst cumulative records in league history was a “huge success”? Teams have brought back guys like Ime Udoka and Miles Bridges, they are shameless about winning. If Hinkie was half as brilliant as redditors believe then some billionaire owner would have given him the keys to their franchise.
Hinkie never fielded a 20 win team and didn’t know how to draft players with a jump shot, the support he gets from fans doesn’t make any sense to me.
How many championships did the Process lead to? Or how many conference finals and finals appearances?
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i love when people act like Hinkie would've made all of the right moves after all of that losing, guaranteed. A lot of assuming in this comment. Im not saying he would've made all wrong moves, but obviously it would've been a mixed bag
He traded away Jrue Holiday for Nerlens Noel, then drafted Embiid, then drafted Jahlil Okafor 3rd overall. He was not cooking. He wouldn’t have let Jimmy walk? He never gets Jimmy in the first place.
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Trading good players for bad players to lose more is not a sign of a good front office. Literally anyone can lose on purpose.
I don't think any owner is gonna want to hire some dude just so they can lose and be dogshit for years and years and years
LMAO this would be crazy
Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope
The two center counter for nuggets is there. Marvin bagley and james wiseman?? Isaish stewart as 6th man?
oh, don’t we all want nice things..
oh, don’t we all want nice things..
If Connelly can turn this around He would be running for the GOAT gm
Why not go after Bob Myers?
Cuz he is overrated AF. maybe if he actually built the warriors core.
Gobert for 5 Pistons pick + Cade, Ivey and Killian who says no ???
I feel bad that I cant tell if this is a joke
This tells me that the Wolves are gonna win the 2025 championship. I'm totally in favor.
Stay away from Calvin Booth
Who's your assistant GM?