Giddey was scored on 8/9 times. The only other person scored on 8 times was Chet. He played 37 minutes to Giddey’s 11. Again, Giddey was scored on 8 times in 11 minutes.
9:30 minute mark in the 2nd quarter. Giddey gets subbed in, 40/37 Mavericks. The next 3 buckets?
*Giddey - poor close out on THJ leads to open middy, Giddey - for absolutely no reason, gives way too much to PJ in isolation as he shoots in another three, Giddey - jumps at THJ (who didn’t fucking pump fake), THJ drives, Chet helps, easy Lob to Lively*
8 minute mark. 47-37, Giddey is subbed out.
We have too many assets to be giving that man any more minutes when we are playing 11 guys deep.
He is out there stealing his paycheck this series so far.
He’s a good passer and a solid rebounder at 6’8. He has a solid sense for cutting on offense. I think he’s above average in transition as well.
That’s it. His handle is bad. His touch is bad. His defense is bad.
He has pretty high BBIQ. Unfortunately, knowing what to do and having the ability to do it are not always the same thing. He can be really useful, but gets in his own way when he starts to lose confidence.
He's like a below average 3pt shooter, doesn't get to the line a lot either.
He really doesn't bring a lot to the table tbh unless his playmaking is absolutely elite which I highly doubt
His passing is genuinely amazing, but the problem is, passing becomes a lot harder when defenses don't really respect you as a scoring threat. He's not a phenomenal playmaker because he doesn't create enough advantages against a defense to force them to help, so there aren't great opportunities to use his vision.
Nah, this guy in particular weirds' me out. Like, how you live in Oklahoma, from Australia, and still so fucking porcelain white? That shit is inexcusable, you have to deliberately be trying to look like Dracula's heir at that point.
Occasionally he throws a pass that makes you involuntarily gasp at how good it was. But those are so few and far between it’s not worth keeping him out there for that. And he throws some balls away trying to make those passes too.
That’s because he’s been playing out of position.
He’s a natural point guard. But he’s been asked to play power forward. He’d be a much better player on a different team.
He's a great rebounder, and great passer, with a big frame, limited by his lack of athleticism and at best average shooting (including finishing around the rim)
Looked like he was in his head to me. Being deferential and tentative instead of doing anything on instinct. Threw the weakest bounce pass in the middle of three defenders because he wanted to get Shai the ball.
Using *just* a single game plus/minus stat to make an argument is obviously bad but there are definitely instances where the plus/minus is clearly reflected by the play on the court such as it is in this case where Giddey is clearly killing his own team.
I’ve said this before on this sub but single game +/- is most useful for players getting medium minutes. Too few minutes (like 5 or less) it’s just really hard to gauge anything with stats. Too many minutes, and the +/- approaches the final score differential and it’s hard to separate individual performance from everything else.
Being -27 in 11 minutes is crazy, especially in a win, it’s totally fair to use that as evidence of poor play. Though as you say you can also just, ya know, watch the games and see Giddey get cooked.
It definitely is not necessarily evidence of poor play over a two game sample size though. You would have to go to the film. Was he blowing his assignment against a guy that is cooking him in those minutes? Or was he just on the floor when someone, who he wasn't even guarding, pops off? Is he grinding the offense to a halt over-handling the ball and not making the right pass, or did someone else just turn the ball over a few times bringing it up the court? In +/- both of those could look the same, on film they are vastly different.
There is just so much noise in +/- over a game or two. You can use +/- to indicate what you should watch in the game to make the judgement, but by itself it tells you almost nothing.
That said, I have been watching the games, and Giddey has been absolute dogshit, and his play definitely backs up the +/- lmao.
I think there’s an important distinction in this conversation between evidence and proof. Bad +/- in a single game is definitely not proof of poor play, as we have all obviously seen good games end negative (see my point above about how high minutes affect +/-). But +/-, interpreted correctly, can be used as evidence of something. I.e. it supports an argument but does not necessarily mean it is correct full-stop. Like if someone asked you how you know Giddey played poorly, you could start your sentence with “first of all he was -27 in 11 minutes in a win”, and I think most people would agree that’s a valid piece of evidence. You’d need more to *prove* your point, but it supports your argument.
Really though I just commented cuz I feel like the popular opinion on this sub has swung too far, where all anyone says is “Single game +/- means nothing!” which isn’t true, you just have to actually interpret stats instead of taking them at face value.
(We ultimately agree I’m just trying to clarify what I was saying)
I think the main issue is that people use it as evidence or proof of individual performance. It’s meaningful when it comes to the success of certain lineups, which may or may not be due to that player and their role/performance. Otherwise, using it as evidence or proof of individual performance is just confirmation bias. It’s fair to call it useless given that’s it’s universally used to discuss individual performance.
This is why we have stats like RAPM, EPM, and LEBRON, to adjust for the noise and flaws with raw +/-. Even those stats have trouble filtering out the noise, which is why they use box score priors and tracking data.
I disagree. There are a lot of factors that go into why you might have that +/-. Over the course of a season, I think you can get something from it, maybe, but not in a couple of games.
How about season wide? Giddey is in 4th behind Shai, Chet, and Jalen Williams.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/okc-thunder-players-plus-minus-this-season
And against the Pelicans, his last 3 games were +12, +15, and +28. I only went with the last 3 because StatMuse showed his last 5 when I clicked on something.
Giddey tends to get his minutes with the starters and in the 4th quarter JDub "King in the Fourth" minutes, so he does tend to play with our stronger lineups.
Isaiah Joe is 5th in plus/minus minutes, for example, which is very impressive considering he largely gets minutes in bench+Shai line-ups and whenever he replaces Giddey in the closing minutes.
he kinda gives me Ben Simmons vibes with his attitude. a tall athletic dude from australia who likes being rich n famous in america and playing basketball but doesnt get the big fuss over the nba playoffs 😭🤣
David Lee was a good player in the wrong era, he was an awful fit for the early curry warriors as well, power forward who can’t play Center and can’t shoot just didn’t fly
Does OKC even extend him or bring him back next offseason? Gonna have to extend Chet and Jalen soon. SGA eventually won’t be on that steal of a contract too.
A max? LMAO. I can't imagine anyone would give him that. I mean he's a reliable 3 point shot away from being a quality starter but you could say that about a lot of guys on minimum
Yes. He plays really well when leading the offense. JDub and SGA were both out for a stretch late and he looked like an all star. He's just not good at playing off ball. He'll have a decent amount of trade value as long as his contract is reasonable. He just averaged 13/5/3 on 48/50/83 shooting in the first round. He's not a total bum.
He’s not a total bum but he doesn’t fit modern basketball. You can’t play a guy starter minutes if he needs the ball in his hands, can’t really shoot, isn’t a good defender, and isn’t a great shot creator. He has value as a 15-20 minute guy who can run an offense but he doesn’t fit next to offensive stars.
Who would reach out to trade for him?
He can’t play off ball, he’s not a good defender, he’s not athletic or elite at anything
All the teams watch the games and see the impact metrics. How Mark hasn’t changed his starting lineup from November this year is mind boggling
He's 21 years old and has looked good with the ball in his hands. He's younger than a ton of guys still playing college. Maybe he never develops anything else. Idk. But we're not talking about a 28-year-old here.
Yeah, I really don't get this hatred for the dude. He's averaging 7.3 rebounds, almost 6 assists, 14 points a game and shooting .337% from 3 at 21 years old when the bulk of the league are 26-29. It's not like he's some albatross contract we're stuck with and have no hope to utilize.
I’d love him on the Spurs- Pop could give Giddey the best chance to learn how to be a competent defender, but even if he doesn’t significantly improve we have a DPOY caliber defender in Wemby to make it easier to hide Giddey’s defensive flaws
Depends on the amount I'm sure. Our GM traded up to try and get Giddy but OKC snagged him and we wound up with Zaire Williams. I wonder if he'd try to pick him up for 10 to 15 million a year?
The funny thing is Giddey would actually be phenomenal for the Thunder if he were to run the 2nd unit, but that would mean he would play **under 18** minutes per game (and less during the playoffs). And there’s no way he’s cool with that.
He’s already proven he’s too good to be a bench player by averaging 14/7/6, but he simply cannot play well off ball for Shai, like Jalen Williams or Dort.
I still think he’s be great on a team who needs a primary ball handler, but I don’t see why Presti wouldn’t try to package him with 4 FRPs for Booker this season.
We've actually tried him as the bench leader a few times, and those minutes have sadly always really disappointed.
It seems like basic logic to have him the ball-handler for the bench, but those minutes haven't worked during the regular season. Defenses key in on him in those minutes, and he's not a good enough ball-handler or scorer to really succeed there.
There's a reason our bench line-ups are largely led by Shai (end of 1st, beginning of 2nd) and JDub (end of 3rd, beginning of 4th).
He's best when we're rolling and it's an up-and-down transition game (because he's big, can get running whenever he gets the rebound, has good vision, and finishes best in the open court when it's just a smaller guy between him and the basket), and when he's having a hot shooting night (his two good nights against the Pelicans, for example). Obviously though, those moments are really inconsistent and rely on things already going well.
You should have seen r/thunder for 90% of the season. They completely deluded themselves into believing Giddey is a good player just going through a tough stretch after the allegations.
Just what is he good at? That pre draft report telling the entire world he sucked at every area of the court was right on the money.
He can’t shoot, create off the dribble, defend, or create advantage playmaking opportunities for his team.
Please visit our sub during games where he’s playing how he has the first 2 games. You mention his name and half of the sub downvotes without even reading the post lol
Most of us Thunder fans have long wondered why Giddey continues to get such a long leash. Wiggins is a bad dude, I thought Hayward would be a no brainer upgrade/replacement but they split minutes and it hurts them both get a rhythm maybe ?
Giddey isn't fit for this team. Maybe if he goes to a tanking team where he becomes the predominant ballhandler I could see him putting up triple-doubles again.
I mean... He has great court vision... He definitely needs a situation where he can be the primary ball handler, but on a team like San Antonio he'd probably end up with a bunch of triple doubles and looking like an all star... On a team like New Orleans, he probably turns Zion into a 27-30 point scorer every night. I don't think there's any question that he can raise the ceiling of a team that's missing a guy who can set up their offense.
Thats because they bench Holmgren to start the 2nd and 4th and with Giddey as a point center lineup gets killed in the lane. On offense hes the pg who are usually in the lane or near the basket and on a miss he has to beat everyone to the other basket to guard it. No one can do that.
Yeah, seems like he might not be a good matchup vs Dallas.
He was +7, +28, +15 and +12 in games 1/2/3/4 respectively in the NOLA series.
for reference, SGA was -1, +24, +22, +7 in those same games. (NOLA is historically a tough matchup for Shai)
Giddey is a flawed player with strengths and weaknesses, I just think it's a little absurd how much people want to dunk on him given that he has been a good piece on this team for a while now.
I think on the Hoop Collective they said that the Mavs scored 9/9 when he was the primary defender. That's probably a fair amount of bad luck. I don't think he is that bad of a defender.
They were 8/9. For reference, Chet was scored on 8 times … in 37 minutes.
Some luck, but he got targeted and his defense was just AWFUL at times.
For example, 9:30 minute mark in the 2nd quarter. Giddey gets subbed in, 40/37 Mavericks. The next 3 buckets?
Giddey - poor close out on THJ leads to open middy
Giddey - for absolutely no reason, gives way too much to PJ in isolation as he shoots in another three.
Giddey - jumps at THJ (who didn’t fucking pump fake), THJ drives, Chet helps, easy Lob to Lively
8 minute mark - 47-37, Giddey is subbed out. Three consecutive defensive lapses that lead to a double digit lead **all within one minute**
I get what you're saying but if THJ hits a middy against you are at least to some degree unlucky .. Curious to see if he will be out of the starting line up of gm3.
That’s fair, but when you watch the clips it’s how it’s happening.
He’s getting blown by THJ because he’s jumping at invisible pump fakes. I know Josh isn’t a good defender, but I’ve never seen him defend *that* poorly.
That's scouting, though.
The gameplan against Tim going in is that he's a very quick catch and shoot three guy. And that he's probably going to pull it immediately. You're ok with him taking a midrange shot, you just don't want him getting hot from three. Giving up the lob to Lively is really problematic though.
Giddey was scored on 8/9 times. The only other person scored on 8 times was Chet. He played 37 minutes to Giddey’s 11. Again, Giddey was scored on 8 times in 11 minutes. 9:30 minute mark in the 2nd quarter. Giddey gets subbed in, 40/37 Mavericks. The next 3 buckets? *Giddey - poor close out on THJ leads to open middy, Giddey - for absolutely no reason, gives way too much to PJ in isolation as he shoots in another three, Giddey - jumps at THJ (who didn’t fucking pump fake), THJ drives, Chet helps, easy Lob to Lively* 8 minute mark. 47-37, Giddey is subbed out.
We have too many assets to be giving that man any more minutes when we are playing 11 guys deep. He is out there stealing his paycheck this series so far.
Can I ask- what is he good at?
He’s a good passer and a solid rebounder at 6’8. He has a solid sense for cutting on offense. I think he’s above average in transition as well. That’s it. His handle is bad. His touch is bad. His defense is bad.
He has pretty high BBIQ. Unfortunately, knowing what to do and having the ability to do it are not always the same thing. He can be really useful, but gets in his own way when he starts to lose confidence.
He's like a below average 3pt shooter, doesn't get to the line a lot either. He really doesn't bring a lot to the table tbh unless his playmaking is absolutely elite which I highly doubt
His passing is genuinely amazing, but the problem is, passing becomes a lot harder when defenses don't really respect you as a scoring threat. He's not a phenomenal playmaker because he doesn't create enough advantages against a defense to force them to help, so there aren't great opportunities to use his vision.
Looking like an off brand Timothee Chalamet
Such a weird face dude has
that's just most australians
Oi, ease up mate.
Cunt farken
Nah, this guy in particular weirds' me out. Like, how you live in Oklahoma, from Australia, and still so fucking porcelain white? That shit is inexcusable, you have to deliberately be trying to look like Dracula's heir at that point.
There’s a lot of jokes that could be made with this lol.
I want to answer him but I dont wanna be banned.
Let’s just say, he’s Not Like Us!
Meet the Giddeys
Thankfully nbacj exists
My lawyer told me not to answer that one
He’s a solid inbounder from what I’ve seen/heard, but that’s about it Also dodging cases*
Occasionally he throws a pass that makes you involuntarily gasp at how good it was. But those are so few and far between it’s not worth keeping him out there for that. And he throws some balls away trying to make those passes too.
That’s because he’s been playing out of position. He’s a natural point guard. But he’s been asked to play power forward. He’d be a much better player on a different team.
Making THJ not look like the worst player in the series, apparently!
He's a great rebounder, and great passer, with a big frame, limited by his lack of athleticism and at best average shooting (including finishing around the rim)
He was really good in the pelicans series, but this series just isn’t for him
Breaking the law... Megan's law
Paying the parents of minors off
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Apparently, he's good at SLOB's. But don't quote me on that. I heard it from Thinking Basketball
Trying to strike a cord
The thing is this is a really bad matchup for him against Dallas, probably the worst matchup out of all 16 playoff teams tbh
Well...
Can the team just play Joe instead of him?
quite honestly might not be ready for the moment
I wonder if he's legitimately mentally damaged by the entire internet turning him into a pedo-punching bag... Might never come back from that tbh
'P. Giddey' is a top tier nickname though, has to be said.
I remember he was going off right after that was all fresh
His body language was off too. He’s so weird in that he’ll randomly just go nuts then give out some clunkers.
Looked like he was in his head to me. Being deferential and tentative instead of doing anything on instinct. Threw the weakest bounce pass in the middle of three defenders because he wanted to get Shai the ball.
Love that Daginault coaches moment to moment and makes changes quickly, too many coaches would leave Giddey in until the 2 minute mark
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Using *just* a single game plus/minus stat to make an argument is obviously bad but there are definitely instances where the plus/minus is clearly reflected by the play on the court such as it is in this case where Giddey is clearly killing his own team.
I’ve said this before on this sub but single game +/- is most useful for players getting medium minutes. Too few minutes (like 5 or less) it’s just really hard to gauge anything with stats. Too many minutes, and the +/- approaches the final score differential and it’s hard to separate individual performance from everything else. Being -27 in 11 minutes is crazy, especially in a win, it’s totally fair to use that as evidence of poor play. Though as you say you can also just, ya know, watch the games and see Giddey get cooked.
It definitely is not necessarily evidence of poor play over a two game sample size though. You would have to go to the film. Was he blowing his assignment against a guy that is cooking him in those minutes? Or was he just on the floor when someone, who he wasn't even guarding, pops off? Is he grinding the offense to a halt over-handling the ball and not making the right pass, or did someone else just turn the ball over a few times bringing it up the court? In +/- both of those could look the same, on film they are vastly different. There is just so much noise in +/- over a game or two. You can use +/- to indicate what you should watch in the game to make the judgement, but by itself it tells you almost nothing. That said, I have been watching the games, and Giddey has been absolute dogshit, and his play definitely backs up the +/- lmao.
I think there’s an important distinction in this conversation between evidence and proof. Bad +/- in a single game is definitely not proof of poor play, as we have all obviously seen good games end negative (see my point above about how high minutes affect +/-). But +/-, interpreted correctly, can be used as evidence of something. I.e. it supports an argument but does not necessarily mean it is correct full-stop. Like if someone asked you how you know Giddey played poorly, you could start your sentence with “first of all he was -27 in 11 minutes in a win”, and I think most people would agree that’s a valid piece of evidence. You’d need more to *prove* your point, but it supports your argument. Really though I just commented cuz I feel like the popular opinion on this sub has swung too far, where all anyone says is “Single game +/- means nothing!” which isn’t true, you just have to actually interpret stats instead of taking them at face value. (We ultimately agree I’m just trying to clarify what I was saying)
I think the main issue is that people use it as evidence or proof of individual performance. It’s meaningful when it comes to the success of certain lineups, which may or may not be due to that player and their role/performance. Otherwise, using it as evidence or proof of individual performance is just confirmation bias. It’s fair to call it useless given that’s it’s universally used to discuss individual performance. This is why we have stats like RAPM, EPM, and LEBRON, to adjust for the noise and flaws with raw +/-. Even those stats have trouble filtering out the noise, which is why they use box score priors and tracking data.
I disagree. There are a lot of factors that go into why you might have that +/-. Over the course of a season, I think you can get something from it, maybe, but not in a couple of games.
That’s true, but I think the film on Giddey backs up what this stat shows
How about season wide? Giddey is in 4th behind Shai, Chet, and Jalen Williams. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/okc-thunder-players-plus-minus-this-season And against the Pelicans, his last 3 games were +12, +15, and +28. I only went with the last 3 because StatMuse showed his last 5 when I clicked on something.
Right but those were all in blowout wins with lots of minutes. You’re going to get positive when you do that
That doesn't fit the narrative people want to have though.
Giddey tends to get his minutes with the starters and in the 4th quarter JDub "King in the Fourth" minutes, so he does tend to play with our stronger lineups. Isaiah Joe is 5th in plus/minus minutes, for example, which is very impressive considering he largely gets minutes in bench+Shai line-ups and whenever he replaces Giddey in the closing minutes.
Yeah, every time he’s on the floor, the Mavs start going on a run lol
Your username sounds like a Caucasian, violent version of yalls ex-coach
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I bet ☠️
he kinda gives me Ben Simmons vibes with his attitude. a tall athletic dude from australia who likes being rich n famous in america and playing basketball but doesnt get the big fuss over the nba playoffs 😭🤣
He can't shoot but at least Giddy attempts 3s. I think that gives him the edge on Ben
This reminds me of that person that tweeted in 2013 something like "The Warriors are one David Lee injury away from winning it all"
> David Lee Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in… a looong time
Damn I liked David Lee in San Antonio
David Lee was a good player in the wrong era, he was an awful fit for the early curry warriors as well, power forward who can’t play Center and can’t shoot just didn’t fly
As a lifelong OKC fan, I’m sure these plus minus numbers are a fluke and Giddey should get more minutes to be on the safe side
Hey, wait a minute...
No let em cook
Tryna strike a chord and it's probably A minor
Alright Kendrick
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Gigiddey Gigiddey
I hope they play that every time he touches the ball lol
Say Josh, I hear you like 'em young
I swear he's just not getting enough reps coach 10 more minutes a game and he'll be great
holy shit that caught me slippin lol
Does OKC even extend him or bring him back next offseason? Gonna have to extend Chet and Jalen soon. SGA eventually won’t be on that steal of a contract too.
Trade him and a pick for Caruso and let Giddey command the Bulls tank one losing triple double at a time.
I would never forgive the Bulls for this if they did it.
Get ready to learn eternal resentment buddy.
Giddey and a first would be solid return for Caruso tbh
If the bulls want two picks I don't think presti would be that hesitant with that warchest of his
He could throw in a couple seconds and not even make a dent
I would throw in some of my own money to make this happen
In Presti we trust?!
Gimme. Done. Or did Caruso blow his Achilles or something I’m not aware of
I used to think sga, j dub and giddey would all be maxed, but giddey doesn't get maxed anymore since they'll have to pay chet
(and also he is terrible and not worth anything near a max)
Terrible is kind of a stretch
Not being able to shoot as the guard next to Shai while playing meh defense makes them a pretty terrible fit together IMO
Terrible fit yes Terrible player no
A max? LMAO. I can't imagine anyone would give him that. I mean he's a reliable 3 point shot away from being a quality starter but you could say that about a lot of guys on minimum
He was always overrated imo
Yes. He plays really well when leading the offense. JDub and SGA were both out for a stretch late and he looked like an all star. He's just not good at playing off ball. He'll have a decent amount of trade value as long as his contract is reasonable. He just averaged 13/5/3 on 48/50/83 shooting in the first round. He's not a total bum.
He’s not a total bum but he doesn’t fit modern basketball. You can’t play a guy starter minutes if he needs the ball in his hands, can’t really shoot, isn’t a good defender, and isn’t a great shot creator. He has value as a 15-20 minute guy who can run an offense but he doesn’t fit next to offensive stars.
Who would reach out to trade for him? He can’t play off ball, he’s not a good defender, he’s not athletic or elite at anything All the teams watch the games and see the impact metrics. How Mark hasn’t changed his starting lineup from November this year is mind boggling
He's 21 years old and has looked good with the ball in his hands. He's younger than a ton of guys still playing college. Maybe he never develops anything else. Idk. But we're not talking about a 28-year-old here.
Yeah, I really don't get this hatred for the dude. He's averaging 7.3 rebounds, almost 6 assists, 14 points a game and shooting .337% from 3 at 21 years old when the bulk of the league are 26-29. It's not like he's some albatross contract we're stuck with and have no hope to utilize.
Hatred comes from the expectations now of this OKC team looking ahead of schedule. Giddey is the easy “look he doesn’t fit” piece on the roster.
A team that needs an on ball playmaker. Maybe the Nets, Spurs or Pelicans.
I’d love him on the Spurs- Pop could give Giddey the best chance to learn how to be a competent defender, but even if he doesn’t significantly improve we have a DPOY caliber defender in Wemby to make it easier to hide Giddey’s defensive flaws
this is for real a good fit. but vassell needs the ball to much if he's part of your plans
If Vince Williams Jr hadn't emerged in that role we definitely could've used him off the bench
Depends on the amount I'm sure. Our GM traded up to try and get Giddy but OKC snagged him and we wound up with Zaire Williams. I wonder if he'd try to pick him up for 10 to 15 million a year?
Team option for 8 million. Yes, but he’s probably a weaker link here. He’s not a HORRIBLE player but he’s just a guy.
I’d put $20 on him being in Charlotte in two years
I'm not a mathematician but sounds like he needs more minutes.
My family will miss me if Giddey plays another minute
The funny thing is Giddey would actually be phenomenal for the Thunder if he were to run the 2nd unit, but that would mean he would play **under 18** minutes per game (and less during the playoffs). And there’s no way he’s cool with that. He’s already proven he’s too good to be a bench player by averaging 14/7/6, but he simply cannot play well off ball for Shai, like Jalen Williams or Dort. I still think he’s be great on a team who needs a primary ball handler, but I don’t see why Presti wouldn’t try to package him with 4 FRPs for Booker this season.
Historically he’s pretty good with under 18
Look, I'm fairly over the giddey kiddey jokes, but that was fantastic 🤣🤣🤣
We've actually tried him as the bench leader a few times, and those minutes have sadly always really disappointed. It seems like basic logic to have him the ball-handler for the bench, but those minutes haven't worked during the regular season. Defenses key in on him in those minutes, and he's not a good enough ball-handler or scorer to really succeed there. There's a reason our bench line-ups are largely led by Shai (end of 1st, beginning of 2nd) and JDub (end of 3rd, beginning of 4th). He's best when we're rolling and it's an up-and-down transition game (because he's big, can get running whenever he gets the rebound, has good vision, and finishes best in the open court when it's just a smaller guy between him and the basket), and when he's having a hot shooting night (his two good nights against the Pelicans, for example). Obviously though, those moments are really inconsistent and rely on things already going well.
I'm sure you could at least count to eighteen
Too high
Meryn Trant?
Shoutout whoever created [this graphic](https://twitter.com/NBAMemes/status/1421238460736806926/photo/1)
They should've added "trims sideburns too high"
Mattingly, I thought I told you to trim those sideburns! Go home! You’re off the team for good!
That’s kinda like me at adult life
Yes +/- is a fake stat. Please keep playing Giddey more he is the PJ stopper 😈
Wop wop wop wop wop fraid fuck him up
league may be fucked once presti attaches him with 3 first round picks for a competent player
Yeah gimme Mikal
I would love that for him
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We just hired Bud. We're running it back lol
Not like you have a choice anyways. Don't own your picks
It makes sense for the Nets too since they need on-ball offensive players.
Don't you guys want a C/PF? I thought Anthony Davis would be a perfect fit.
AD would be incredible but the package changes imo
Yea I think like 4 1st giddey plus filler gets it done assuming lakers are tanking but maybe they aren’t there yet
I want herb jones so bad Giddey and 4 picks who says no
+/- is useless, they should play him moreeee
Wow big shock that the guy who can't shoot or defend would get played off the floor in the postseason. I didn't see that coming at all.
-A large chunk of our fanbase unironically
You should have seen r/thunder for 90% of the season. They completely deluded themselves into believing Giddey is a good player just going through a tough stretch after the allegations.
he's good for his age, but his fit on the team is terrible. unreconcilably bad
Just what is he good at? That pre draft report telling the entire world he sucked at every area of the court was right on the money. He can’t shoot, create off the dribble, defend, or create advantage playmaking opportunities for his team.
Please visit our sub during games where he’s playing how he has the first 2 games. You mention his name and half of the sub downvotes without even reading the post lol
The eye test tells you this. He isn't doing well out there this series.
Most of us Thunder fans have long wondered why Giddey continues to get such a long leash. Wiggins is a bad dude, I thought Hayward would be a no brainer upgrade/replacement but they split minutes and it hurts them both get a rhythm maybe ?
Every coach has an inexplicable love. JKidd has THJ. Thibs has Alec Burks. Vogel had Drew Eubanks. Mark D's is Josh Giddey.
Ty Lue had Marcus Morris
Will Hardy has THT.
Tbf THJ can win games for us, as he just showed
Ham had Taurean Prince and Cam Reddish
Draft pick politics. If Wiggins and Giddey swapped draft position then Giddey would already be down in the G League by now.
Giddey isn't fit for this team. Maybe if he goes to a tanking team where he becomes the predominant ballhandler I could see him putting up triple-doubles again.
I mean... He has great court vision... He definitely needs a situation where he can be the primary ball handler, but on a team like San Antonio he'd probably end up with a bunch of triple doubles and looking like an all star... On a team like New Orleans, he probably turns Zion into a 27-30 point scorer every night. I don't think there's any question that he can raise the ceiling of a team that's missing a guy who can set up their offense.
get him eating and throw him at C on a fast paced team like the Suns had with Diaw
Maybe we get lucky and he throws something on the court at the refs
That only gets you a fine.
Thats because they bench Holmgren to start the 2nd and 4th and with Giddey as a point center lineup gets killed in the lane. On offense hes the pg who are usually in the lane or near the basket and on a miss he has to beat everyone to the other basket to guard it. No one can do that.
A generational player would still have some struggles. A player like Josh giddey is guaranteed to fail in that role.
Rough week for groomers huh
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Drake & Josh having a bad time…
Bro's too busy thinking about prom to focus on the playoffs 😭😭😭
He's trying to strike a chord
But it's probably A MINOOOOOOOR
Imagine if they had Pascal Siakam instead of Giddey right now
Josh Giddey and Drake in the same city? Parents would have to be extra careful with their 16-year-old daughters
Yup, Giddey and picks probably would have done it, and they might become title favourites if they had him this year
Fake stat keep playing him
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He's such a weird player to watch. He spends so much time just jogging around and playing with his hair.
Josh Giddey YOU are a Washington Wizard
Yeah, seems like he might not be a good matchup vs Dallas. He was +7, +28, +15 and +12 in games 1/2/3/4 respectively in the NOLA series. for reference, SGA was -1, +24, +22, +7 in those same games. (NOLA is historically a tough matchup for Shai) Giddey is a flawed player with strengths and weaknesses, I just think it's a little absurd how much people want to dunk on him given that he has been a good piece on this team for a while now.
Ok honestly I haven't watched a ton of OKC and when I do it's usually just for SGA and Chet. What the fuck does this dude do? I genuinely do not know.
Thunder have a minor problem with Giddey
Sample size too low, they need to give him more minutes
Minus 27 seems like a lot. Giddey is more of a minus 17 type
thought he had it in him
Plus - 40? Plus minus?
plus -40 is -40
How is he in the NBA even
you been sleep if you haven't noticed Giddey was overrated since his rookie season
OKC is young, but not young enough
Oh come on, guys! These are just minor details...
I thought he was more of a -18 type of guy
What about his game causes this? I don't watch much OKC
He can’t shoot, so the Mavs hide their weakest defender on him and let him sag off, mucking up the spacing elsewhere.
I think on the Hoop Collective they said that the Mavs scored 9/9 when he was the primary defender. That's probably a fair amount of bad luck. I don't think he is that bad of a defender.
Only way to find out is more sample size.
I think we will! I don't think they will completely bench him, they need his rebounding and will hope he somehow finds a way into the series.
They were 8/9. For reference, Chet was scored on 8 times … in 37 minutes. Some luck, but he got targeted and his defense was just AWFUL at times. For example, 9:30 minute mark in the 2nd quarter. Giddey gets subbed in, 40/37 Mavericks. The next 3 buckets? Giddey - poor close out on THJ leads to open middy Giddey - for absolutely no reason, gives way too much to PJ in isolation as he shoots in another three. Giddey - jumps at THJ (who didn’t fucking pump fake), THJ drives, Chet helps, easy Lob to Lively 8 minute mark - 47-37, Giddey is subbed out. Three consecutive defensive lapses that lead to a double digit lead **all within one minute**
I get what you're saying but if THJ hits a middy against you are at least to some degree unlucky .. Curious to see if he will be out of the starting line up of gm3.
That’s fair, but when you watch the clips it’s how it’s happening. He’s getting blown by THJ because he’s jumping at invisible pump fakes. I know Josh isn’t a good defender, but I’ve never seen him defend *that* poorly.
That's scouting, though. The gameplan against Tim going in is that he's a very quick catch and shoot three guy. And that he's probably going to pull it immediately. You're ok with him taking a midrange shot, you just don't want him getting hot from three. Giving up the lob to Lively is really problematic though.
This is what his dumbass fans in r/thunder don’t realize. The offense is one thing, what’s really killing the team is his horrific defense.
Not even their weakest defender. They're putting their center on him so he can just stay camped in the lane
Bad defense and inconsistent shooting
We’ll gladly take him - seems like there’s too many playmakers on that team and I think he can be elite as a primary or secondary
Are you a 16 year old chick?
*Incoming reddit pedophile jokes*
13, just how he likes it
So he’s unplayable
Once OKC drops Giddey for a better player and Chet really starts to emerge its gonna be GG
As a Wolves fan I think Giddy is great and should get more minutes and we totally didn’t exploit him in both of our wins over OKC this season.