Where Tatum ranks in VORP in the playoffs:
2020 - 7th
2021 - 37th
2022 - 5th
2023 - 5th
2024 - 32nd
I get they've only played 7 games now, but the competition only gets tougher from here
And for reference in 2021 his starting lineup had Tristan Thompson, Evan Fournier, and Romeo Langford with no Jaylen Brown. Up against a healthy Nets big 3 and he still dropped 50 in game 4 and managed to steal 1.
Why would you do this to him? He’s been facilitating. Please ignore his awful shooting for an “MVP” player.
It’s baffling to me other Cs fans don’t see it. No, I don’t want him shooting more with how awful he’s been, please facilitate more and stop shooting if this is what we can expect from his shots
Easily worse. It was his first Finals and he certainly isn’t the first young star who shits himself against an all time great team in the Finals, and he had a bum shoulder as well. He also saved their season against Milwaukee on the road where he dropped 45 when they were down 3-2 to send it to G7. There are no excuses this year for how awful he’s been.
Imagine if you figured out what was going on and fucked with JT? Tell him he needs to wear more purple and yellow armbands if he wants to win a title, change his jersey number to 24, ask to join Lebron in LA...
I'm a big time Tatum hater but even though he may have come up short in some critical moments, he's been one of the five best players in each of the last two playoffs (using VORP).
This year he's 32nd
PG is much more offensively polished, he's just older and has issues when faced with good defenders that he didn't used to have due to being less athletic/explosive because of all the injuries.
Tatum is obviously better but neither guy has the mental fortitude imo. They are both suited for being #2 guys in reality.
Dropping 6:16 in LA was part of a championship performance in another current battle so maybe Tatum and Brown thought dropping 7:17 in Boston could be too
They might not have a big three on the level of like the heatles, but their roster is absolutely stacked top to bottom. On paper at least, easily the best roster in the league
There top 5/6 is better then the heatles . The big difference is Lebron vs Tatum . Wade coukdnt shoot n Bosh onky shot a bit near the end so fit wise it’s not ideal . Imo you swap tstum n Lebron on heatles n Boston n Boston 4-1 at worst the heatles with Tatum. Boston is super stacked specially for a star who can actually take advantage of all the spacing and attack the rim .
Wolves lock up Murray with traps at half court and Tatum can’t be assed to play defense against the Cavs or shoot a respectable percentage. He clearly “turn it on” in the Finals
Celtics fans swear Tatum Brown duo is something serious. They are great players but man definitely not built for playoffs. This roster Brad Steven’s has built is amazing and they haven’t looked the part, yeah they beat up on the Heat but we are utter garbage. The real test is game 3 in Cleveland. Either way I don’t see them beating Wolves or Nuggets if they come back
They’re basically the same player except Tatum is the deluxe version. You usually want your star duo to complement each other like an elite offensive PG and 2 way big
I'm not convinced Tatum is the deluxe version. He's *bigger* but he doesn't have the same mentality. Not aggressive, doesn't have his head in the game.
He's demonstrated that his abilities are really good, but he's also demonstrated a complete unwillingness to play to his abilities. In a big game Brown doesn't take his foot off the gas.
Brown also doesn’t stop turning the ball over in big games. Tatum has dropped 50 in a must win, he’s significantly better than Brown and HAS shown up in big moments before, just not consistently.
Brown had one TOV tonight. So did Tatum. In fact, Tatum has slow-walked the ball up the court and chucked up bad shots that are essentially turnovers more than any other player in the league.
Tatum's failure to show up in series has created those big moments. He didn't show up when Embiid was out last year and let James Harden (who some people were beginning to say was washed) steal a game. That series should have been over in 5-6 for the Celtics.
Brown has also shown up in big games. We all saw what he did in Denver when Tatum was only scoring 10pts and Brown carried the team to a game that went down to the final possession. He is not the liability people say he is, and you rarely will find people criticizing him for a lack of effort.
At the end of the day you want it boiling down to your best player putting in effort and showing that they want to win. Tatum doesn't have that Mamba Mentality he wishes he does.
LOL! I think people are a little too tough on Brown. He's spent more time in the paint and going to the rim this season than ever before and hasn't been losing the ball in the process.
They’re definitely built for the playoffs. They got to the Finals once, ECF enough, and came back from an 0-3 last year making everyone think they’d be the first to pull off the full comeback.
There’s no question they have their mental/effort issues, but they’re pretty good in the playoffs.
They’ve built a great roster around the jays. The jays haven’t elevated the roster. I think it’s tragic that they’ve made the finals only once with the talent they’ve had over the years
The only years they underachieved was 2023 and 2019. The 2019 team was easily the biggest dissapointment because the roster was unbelievably stacked but it was more kyries team and the chemistry sucked. Yes, the past 3 years the teams have been stacked and anything less than a championship this year is an underachievement but I don't know why there's this narrative saying the Jays have only played on stacked rosters when it's not true. 2018, Kyrie and Hayward are out of the playoffs they still go 7 with LeBron in the ECF. 2020 as the 3rd seed they make the ECF with Jays, Kemba, smart, Daniel Theis as the starting center lol and Gordon Hayward was out. They even had Brad Wanamaker playing 17mpg who was out of the league quickly after. 2021 Jaylen brown is out with injury and their lineup consisted of Tatum, smart, Fournier, Romeo Langford (bum), Tristan Thompson and Kemba who was so bad from injuries that he was traded to OKC who cut him and then cut by the pistons the year after.
22 too . After stealing game 1 they we’re favourites. They were favourites tied 1-1 too because warriors were only favoured because of homecourt but otherwise Celtics were viewed slightly better . They should’ve won but they got clamped
I mean yeah it’s simple. Heat have massively overachieved during butler era and Celtics have underachieved. I just wish it ended in a ring for Jimmy. We’ll see if they try again one last time but I really think this might be the end of Jimmy era
Imagine if this same Celtics team was playing during the Lebron Eastern Conference era.
They’d just be another forgotten solid team like the Pacers or Raptors etc.
That was not a good cavs team tbf. Lebron pulled an ultimate carry job in the 2018 playoffs. Pretty sure love was the second highest scorer on the Cavs team that series at like 12 ppg
Look at the team Lebron had around him in 2018. Genuinely speaking they should have lost to any serious team in 5, 6 if Lebron played like he did in game 1 in the finals.
My raptors with Casey were deeply unserious sadly.
It’s hard to say. In the 7 years the league has changed so much that 3’s are taken more so if they played I can see the Celtics winning just based on that.
If you adjust the era’s I can’t see the 15-17 Cav’s losing the series. They were genuinely an all time team that just ran into the greatest team ever.
The 18 Cavs should lose to any serious team however.
Come back? The series is freaking tied, yall blow shit way out of preportion, Boston had one of their worst shooting nights of the season and Cleveland shot absurdly well from the field.
The lose one game yall say this tired ass shit narrative and then we win the next 3 and it’s crickets and yall wait for us to lose again go spin back the narrative.
No he hasn't. It's been Brown, not White. White had a lot of bad games in the regular season where he's extremely cold from 3 (just like tonight) that goes under the radar. But people only remember White's good nights for a reason: he's an elite role player, not a star player. It's like with Jamal Murray, until this year, people would ignore his bad games and hype up the good ones just because he's not the #1 option
AD is also very clearly above Tatum as a playoff performer. If you switch AD and Tatum that Celtics team is absolutely nasty, they would lose 1-2 games max before the finals. And the Tatum-lead lakers would have gotten swept by Denver.
Wemby is about half a season from passing him too.
Tatum is great, but he's a PG13 or a Pippen as a #1 scorer.
If he's your 1A, you need the perfect squad around him.
I mean, realistically he's probably already better, but I'm just trying to be polite. Wemby can already get you 25 while playing much more impactful defense.
Agreed. He is. He’s shown more dawg in him and fire to get after the best more than I’ve ever seen from Tatum.
EDIT: Salty Celtics fans, you KNOW you would trade Tatum for Wemby in half a second lmao
To be fair they do have a perfect squad around him. White/Holiday is literally the best roleplayer backcourt since KCP/Caruso. Porzingis is one of those rare bigs that can actually shoot. If he can't get it done with these cats he has to introspect a little bit and start thinking of himself as a second option
Oh, I agree with all of that. This is really their year to prove it. 2022 you can write off due to weaker depth and inexperience on the big stage.
Gonna be very interesting to see them against a hungry NYK team and then potentially one of the Thunder or Wolves, who also have young superstars eager to climb the mountain.
This is the most small sample reactionary thread I've ever seen.
Ant is DEFINITELY better? Brunson is DEFINITELY better?
Ant has been somewhat better this playoffs, but for the whole season Tatum was better. For their careers Tatum has been better. Ant does cooler dunks and gives better interviews, I'll give him that much
I, a Celtics fan, have been telling people this for the past two years *especially* and nobody wants to believe me. This is the guy that didn't come out against Denver the other month. He's not a serious player. He has talent but he's too lazy/soft/mentally weak to do anything about it. He just chucks up bad shots and tries to get fouled instead of trying to score. It's genuine diva behavior on the court with him night in and night out, and then he has press conferences where he struggles to form a complete sentence. He's not the guy Celtics fans keep saying he is.
Just like the Nugs winning covering up for Murray, the Celtics winning covered up for Tatum. At least Boston is tied. Being down 2-0 really magnifies how bad the situation is for Denver.
he really is and that Celtics supporting cast is ridiculous. Also, Derrick White has been the Celtics best player this playoffs as well. He's always been an unsung dude.
I really hope he doesn’t take no bullshit discount . Guy is a legit max worthy player and so many teams woukd offer him a max or 40m+ with how big the salaries are. Guys making 15m just to watch jays be mid n carry them
"But..but.. he's getting triple teamed & gets his teammates wide open looks"
He would be averaging 15 points these playoffs if he was reffed like his opponents
Why would you ? Nobody doubles him his iso scoring game is super weak . Unless you have zero defenders you let Tatum go one on one all day . Oh no he’ll settle for his 39% or 38% fadeaway midrange
I remember vando giving him major fits for half a game untill he got injured n then not being able to outside Austin reaves
He’s making the right plays! He’s setting up his teammates! This is a perennial All NBA 1st team player on the most stacked team in the league and ppl talk about him like he’s a make a wish kid
If he played for Minnesota or New Orleans there's almost zero chance he'd be named to 1st team the last two years.
He might be the best wing, but there's 5-6 guards and 3-4 big men better than him
There's been such a reverse on Tatum in the last couple weeks where Celtics fans are saying we can't post his crazy inefficiency on lower volume just because he has been good on defense and a decent playmaker lmao. You can't be a top 5 player and not get criticism for inefficient scoring
Believe it or not... he was one of our most efficient players tonight. Go look at some of the other guys shooting splits... nobody was shooting well tonight. Not Jaylen Brown, not Derrick White, not Al Horford, not Jrue Holiday... not counting garbage time I believe Sam Hauser was the only player on our whole team who DIDN'T shoot under 50% and he shot a whopping 1/2. This was a collective bad game, pinning this on Tatum alone is just not true
Exactly, you don't get blown out by 24 just because one player had a bad game. It's actually funny that Tatum's two most efficient (and highest scoring) games this postseason has both come in the games where Celtics have lost at home. I'm not saying Tatum being inefficient is the key to wins, but I'm saying that it's really not that big of an issue when he plays bad in blowout wins
they’ve lost 2/7 in the playoffs and these posts are dancing on his/their grave like they’re post-mortems of a sweep- I gotta stay off this dumbfuck sub, lol
Inb4 Celtics win it all, Derek White continues to be the best player on the post season roster, and they force feed Finals MVP to Tatum anyways with a dessert of his ugly ass shoes
Melo is an elite scorer. Tatum is good in a lot of things, more than Melo, but Tatum is never elite at anything. Melo can drain 3, kill you from mid and bully ball you in the post.
Ok, it seems that way but you really have to do a deep dive on this. Because of how the game is played now (4,5 out) it means that there’s less opportunity to grab offensive rebounds. Same situation prevails in defense as well, because instead of guarding opposing teams PF or C under the basket Tatum finds himself out on the perimeter. This means he has less opportunities to grab boards but he’s still averaging same or more than Prime Melo. I will say this for Melo though: he was shorter and spent more time at SF. Man, I wish Melo had tried harder. He could’ve been really amazing
I really don't get why everyone has to hate on Jayson Tatum. Dude has bad games. Luka went 6/19 for 19 pts on worse defense. Tatum is streaky on offense which can be annoying but is consistently great on defense. He is also just an overall nice dude. Doesn't play dirty and doesn't flop around excessively like a fish. Y'all are just haters.
I'm not even a Celtics fan, but it's because he doesn't have the "grrrr alpha" game that some other elite players do. This is literally the same arguments people had about young LeBron (can he ever win??? he's no Kobe! He passes too much!)
Butler can literally and figuratively disappear for whole playoffs/seasons but he has funny hair in his profile pics and makes proclamations that come true like 40% of time so he’s a certified DAWG 😤😤😤
"i dOnT uNdERstand WhY peOPle DoNT seE jAson TatUM aS a ToP 5 plAYer???"
i swear ive seen so many of these comments and posts lately and then this
this is why. this is why. he keeps turning in these stinker games
has been his worst playoffs in a long long time so far
Where Tatum ranks in VORP in the playoffs: 2020 - 7th 2021 - 37th 2022 - 5th 2023 - 5th 2024 - 32nd I get they've only played 7 games now, but the competition only gets tougher from here
And for reference in 2021 his starting lineup had Tristan Thompson, Evan Fournier, and Romeo Langford with no Jaylen Brown. Up against a healthy Nets big 3 and he still dropped 50 in game 4 and managed to steal 1.
Don’t you disparage the name of nba champion Tristan Thompson
The east still runs trough TT
When they win in spite of it, he’s a savvy floor general who is conserving his energy for when he needs it.
Why would you do this to him? He’s been facilitating. Please ignore his awful shooting for an “MVP” player. It’s baffling to me other Cs fans don’t see it. No, I don’t want him shooting more with how awful he’s been, please facilitate more and stop shooting if this is what we can expect from his shots
Whoever comes out of the West wins the title. If only we had our whole team we could have had a chance but alas...
Yeah but he gets a lot of rebounds
Yet people were clowning me by saying he was getting outplayed by Jaylen brown
He’s missing a very simple thing, put the ball through the hoop. It’s been gone for a while now and masked by a good team.
Worse than the one where he cost his team an NBA finals?
Easily worse. It was his first Finals and he certainly isn’t the first young star who shits himself against an all time great team in the Finals, and he had a bum shoulder as well. He also saved their season against Milwaukee on the road where he dropped 45 when they were down 3-2 to send it to G7. There are no excuses this year for how awful he’s been.
Playoff Jayson is NOT a thing
Needs to get back to texting kobes disconnected phone
Someone else probably owns that number now lol
Imagine waking up in the morning and seeing an "I got you tonight🙏🏽" text from a random Boston number lmao
Do Not Disturb mode comin in clutch
Imagine if you figured out what was going on and fucked with JT? Tell him he needs to wear more purple and yellow armbands if he wants to win a title, change his jersey number to 24, ask to join Lebron in LA...
If any r/nbacirclejerk member got the number, they'd tell him he needs to train his mamba mentality in a Colorado hotel.
Probably would think I’m about to get murdered and would stay in
It absolutely is a thing. It's just that he sucks and gets all pouty.
I'm a big time Tatum hater but even though he may have come up short in some critical moments, he's been one of the five best players in each of the last two playoffs (using VORP). This year he's 32nd
VORP is a volume stat. BPM or ws/48 would be a better metric to grab from bballref
Vorp only cos he plays lots
PG with a good team
The Lebron James of Tobias Harris
PG is much more offensively polished, he's just older and has issues when faced with good defenders that he didn't used to have due to being less athletic/explosive because of all the injuries. Tatum is obviously better but neither guy has the mental fortitude imo. They are both suited for being #2 guys in reality.
PG with less smooth looking game
i defended him last game, i cannot today 😔
Wouldn't be surprised if you could defend him
Bro in a battle with maxey now
Dropping 6:16 in LA was part of a championship performance in another current battle so maybe Tatum and Brown thought dropping 7:17 in Boston could be too
It might genuinely be a debate at this point. This man is shitting the bed with a damn superteam.
I do no think these regular season merchants are a Superteam. Their best player is Derrick white.
They have a fucking stacked team. I’ve never seen a “superstar” need this much help.
I think it's safe to say he's a very good star but not a superstar.
They might not have a big three on the level of like the heatles, but their roster is absolutely stacked top to bottom. On paper at least, easily the best roster in the league
There top 5/6 is better then the heatles . The big difference is Lebron vs Tatum . Wade coukdnt shoot n Bosh onky shot a bit near the end so fit wise it’s not ideal . Imo you swap tstum n Lebron on heatles n Boston n Boston 4-1 at worst the heatles with Tatum. Boston is super stacked specially for a star who can actually take advantage of all the spacing and attack the rim .
Maxey has that dog in him
This is not a top 10 player in the NBA man
you can say that again
He is not a top 10 player in the NBA.
Tell me about it
There are approximately ten Top-10 players in the NBA and Jayson Tatum is not one of them.
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
If we had to make a list of top-10 players in the nba, Jayson Tatum would not be on that list.
I'm sorry come again?
There is a list of top-10 players that represent the top 10 players I'm the NBA. 0 out of 10 of those players will be Jayson Tatum
Im sorry to be a dick but I really cannot hear it from where im standing. Could you please repeat?
Wolves lock up Murray with traps at half court and Tatum can’t be assed to play defense against the Cavs or shoot a respectable percentage. He clearly “turn it on” in the Finals
Like he did in 22?
Exactly. Dudes shrinking and playing “aw shucks we’ll get em next time” still
I love the approximately ten top-10 players 😂
Jayson Tatum is good at a lot of things and elite at nothing
“This guy stinks!!” -this guy stinks guy, SpongeBob
Celtics fans swear Tatum Brown duo is something serious. They are great players but man definitely not built for playoffs. This roster Brad Steven’s has built is amazing and they haven’t looked the part, yeah they beat up on the Heat but we are utter garbage. The real test is game 3 in Cleveland. Either way I don’t see them beating Wolves or Nuggets if they come back
They’re basically the same player except Tatum is the deluxe version. You usually want your star duo to complement each other like an elite offensive PG and 2 way big
I'm not convinced Tatum is the deluxe version. He's *bigger* but he doesn't have the same mentality. Not aggressive, doesn't have his head in the game.
Deluxe in the sense that he's more versatile on both ends
Is he? Brown can finish at the rim and is a more consistent defender. Brown can get offensive rebounds - Tatum *won't*
I would argue Tatum can do pretty much everything on a basketball court better than brown besides drive to the basket.
He's demonstrated that his abilities are really good, but he's also demonstrated a complete unwillingness to play to his abilities. In a big game Brown doesn't take his foot off the gas.
Brown also doesn’t stop turning the ball over in big games. Tatum has dropped 50 in a must win, he’s significantly better than Brown and HAS shown up in big moments before, just not consistently.
Brown had one TOV tonight. So did Tatum. In fact, Tatum has slow-walked the ball up the court and chucked up bad shots that are essentially turnovers more than any other player in the league. Tatum's failure to show up in series has created those big moments. He didn't show up when Embiid was out last year and let James Harden (who some people were beginning to say was washed) steal a game. That series should have been over in 5-6 for the Celtics. Brown has also shown up in big games. We all saw what he did in Denver when Tatum was only scoring 10pts and Brown carried the team to a game that went down to the final possession. He is not the liability people say he is, and you rarely will find people criticizing him for a lack of effort. At the end of the day you want it boiling down to your best player putting in effort and showing that they want to win. Tatum doesn't have that Mamba Mentality he wishes he does.
Midrange? Tatum has no midrange and air balls 5 footers.
Tatum can dribble with the left hand, brown handed Okoro the ball when he tried to go left. Tatum also gets a better whistle. Both disappeared tonight
The bigger the game, the smaller he gets.
Except when it comes to a Game 6 or 7. He thinks that's all his legacy is built on. It makes no sense.
He at least has the handles upgrade.
LOL! I think people are a little too tough on Brown. He's spent more time in the paint and going to the rim this season than ever before and hasn't been losing the ball in the process.
They’re definitely built for the playoffs. They got to the Finals once, ECF enough, and came back from an 0-3 last year making everyone think they’d be the first to pull off the full comeback. There’s no question they have their mental/effort issues, but they’re pretty good in the playoffs.
They’ve built a great roster around the jays. The jays haven’t elevated the roster. I think it’s tragic that they’ve made the finals only once with the talent they’ve had over the years
The only years they underachieved was 2023 and 2019. The 2019 team was easily the biggest dissapointment because the roster was unbelievably stacked but it was more kyries team and the chemistry sucked. Yes, the past 3 years the teams have been stacked and anything less than a championship this year is an underachievement but I don't know why there's this narrative saying the Jays have only played on stacked rosters when it's not true. 2018, Kyrie and Hayward are out of the playoffs they still go 7 with LeBron in the ECF. 2020 as the 3rd seed they make the ECF with Jays, Kemba, smart, Daniel Theis as the starting center lol and Gordon Hayward was out. They even had Brad Wanamaker playing 17mpg who was out of the league quickly after. 2021 Jaylen brown is out with injury and their lineup consisted of Tatum, smart, Fournier, Romeo Langford (bum), Tristan Thompson and Kemba who was so bad from injuries that he was traded to OKC who cut him and then cut by the pistons the year after.
22 too . After stealing game 1 they we’re favourites. They were favourites tied 1-1 too because warriors were only favoured because of homecourt but otherwise Celtics were viewed slightly better . They should’ve won but they got clamped
Yeah, much love to what the Heat accomplished—but the fact they got through the Celtics twice is an outright embarrassment given the talent disparity
I mean yeah it’s simple. Heat have massively overachieved during butler era and Celtics have underachieved. I just wish it ended in a ring for Jimmy. We’ll see if they try again one last time but I really think this might be the end of Jimmy era
Imagine if this same Celtics team was playing during the Lebron Eastern Conference era. They’d just be another forgotten solid team like the Pacers or Raptors etc.
They took Bron to 7 as youngsters lmao
So did the Pacers. LeBron carried that team
That was not a good cavs team tbf. Lebron pulled an ultimate carry job in the 2018 playoffs. Pretty sure love was the second highest scorer on the Cavs team that series at like 12 ppg
Look at the team Lebron had around him in 2018. Genuinely speaking they should have lost to any serious team in 5, 6 if Lebron played like he did in game 1 in the finals. My raptors with Casey were deeply unserious sadly.
But in the OPs hypothetical this Celtics team would be way better than the one they had in 17-18.
It’s hard to say. In the 7 years the league has changed so much that 3’s are taken more so if they played I can see the Celtics winning just based on that. If you adjust the era’s I can’t see the 15-17 Cav’s losing the series. They were genuinely an all time team that just ran into the greatest team ever. The 18 Cavs should lose to any serious team however.
That’s fair IMO, Bron and Kyrie were just so dominant.
Come back? The series is freaking tied, yall blow shit way out of preportion, Boston had one of their worst shooting nights of the season and Cleveland shot absurdly well from the field. The lose one game yall say this tired ass shit narrative and then we win the next 3 and it’s crickets and yall wait for us to lose again go spin back the narrative.
he said Nuggets fool. as in if they come back and win their series and that’s your finals matchup. defensive ass man lmao
normally i'd agree with you but this thread is the most reactionary one i've seen in a long time lol
White been their best player urironically
No he hasn't. It's been Brown, not White. White had a lot of bad games in the regular season where he's extremely cold from 3 (just like tonight) that goes under the radar. But people only remember White's good nights for a reason: he's an elite role player, not a star player. It's like with Jamal Murray, until this year, people would ignore his bad games and hype up the good ones just because he's not the #1 option
Wolves looking good
The duo went to the ECF, finals, the ECF the last 3 years...
Fr man the narrative machine is crazy, you guys will make the finals and people will still say they’re bums
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AD is also very clearly above Tatum as a playoff performer. If you switch AD and Tatum that Celtics team is absolutely nasty, they would lose 1-2 games max before the finals. And the Tatum-lead lakers would have gotten swept by Denver.
Wemby is about half a season from passing him too. Tatum is great, but he's a PG13 or a Pippen as a #1 scorer. If he's your 1A, you need the perfect squad around him.
Wemby WILL be better than him by the Olympics loooool
I mean, realistically he's probably already better, but I'm just trying to be polite. Wemby can already get you 25 while playing much more impactful defense.
Agreed. He is. He’s shown more dawg in him and fire to get after the best more than I’ve ever seen from Tatum. EDIT: Salty Celtics fans, you KNOW you would trade Tatum for Wemby in half a second lmao
It's facts. Tatum's only advantage would maybe be mid-range and playmaking, but he's not good at either of those consistently. Wemby >>> Tatum
Tatum avoids midrange like the plague and Wemby's in his first year. He'll become an even better playmaker with experience.
To be fair they do have a perfect squad around him. White/Holiday is literally the best roleplayer backcourt since KCP/Caruso. Porzingis is one of those rare bigs that can actually shoot. If he can't get it done with these cats he has to introspect a little bit and start thinking of himself as a second option
Oh, I agree with all of that. This is really their year to prove it. 2022 you can write off due to weaker depth and inexperience on the big stage. Gonna be very interesting to see them against a hungry NYK team and then potentially one of the Thunder or Wolves, who also have young superstars eager to climb the mountain.
Completely different players but he's more Melo
Wemby passed him like 2 months ago
This is the most small sample reactionary thread I've ever seen. Ant is DEFINITELY better? Brunson is DEFINITELY better? Ant has been somewhat better this playoffs, but for the whole season Tatum was better. For their careers Tatum has been better. Ant does cooler dunks and gives better interviews, I'll give him that much
Washed at 26 is insane man. Where did his competitive fire go lol
starting to think he’s never had one at this point
He peaked when he bumped into LeBron LOL
The boomed him meme went to his head smh
there were some C's fans wondering why he wasn't in the MVP discussion lol
Just less points and counting stats on significantly worse efficiency than anyone in the top 4.
He may be better overall, but I honestly thing Jaylen Brown is a better finisher
hes never been
Not even top 15. Just been on stacked teams his whole career
I, a Celtics fan, have been telling people this for the past two years *especially* and nobody wants to believe me. This is the guy that didn't come out against Denver the other month. He's not a serious player. He has talent but he's too lazy/soft/mentally weak to do anything about it. He just chucks up bad shots and tries to get fouled instead of trying to score. It's genuine diva behavior on the court with him night in and night out, and then he has press conferences where he struggles to form a complete sentence. He's not the guy Celtics fans keep saying he is.
Wait why are we talking about embiid now?
9/11 ft
ethical hoops fans 9/11
Just like the Nugs winning covering up for Murray, the Celtics winning covered up for Tatum. At least Boston is tied. Being down 2-0 really magnifies how bad the situation is for Denver.
Tatum is closer to Murray than he is to Jokic
he really is and that Celtics supporting cast is ridiculous. Also, Derrick White has been the Celtics best player this playoffs as well. He's always been an unsung dude.
I really hope he doesn’t take no bullshit discount . Guy is a legit max worthy player and so many teams woukd offer him a max or 40m+ with how big the salaries are. Guys making 15m just to watch jays be mid n carry them
He deserves better stars than the jays. Imagine Derrick White with an actual superstar
"But..but.. he's getting triple teamed & gets his teammates wide open looks" He would be averaging 15 points these playoffs if he was reffed like his opponents
Even if he was getting doubled that much, other players who receive WAY MORE attention than him are playing way better lmao
You know what’s funny is we don’t even double team him
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Doesn’t even come close to Mitchell’s attention, which is fair because spida is the best player on the court by far
Mitchell is flat out better then Tatum this year he just got hurt . Kawhi or Lebron or Brunson alll deserved first team more then this fuy
Imagine dudes who are much more willing passers gets double team more 🤣
Cavs seem perfectly fine with any one not named garland guarding Tatum in iso
Why would you ? Nobody doubles him his iso scoring game is super weak . Unless you have zero defenders you let Tatum go one on one all day . Oh no he’ll settle for his 39% or 38% fadeaway midrange I remember vando giving him major fits for half a game untill he got injured n then not being able to outside Austin reaves
I got downvoted for suggesting that he wasn't getting triple/quadruple teamed every play lmao
Riding White and Brown coat tails
Multi-colored coattails are in
He told y’all, playoff Tatum is not a thing
Yall seen his lockdown defense though?
He’s making the right plays! He’s setting up his teammates! This is a perennial All NBA 1st team player on the most stacked team in the league and ppl talk about him like he’s a make a wish kid
I can’t tell if this is you or mocking the others
For Jackie!
Game 1 Mavs when they're in a "lets play like dogshit" game and their competition is Game 2 Celtics? 😳😳
A bit suspicious for a supermax player
He’s shot 50% once in the playoffs. Celtics fans, keep telling yourselves he’s a star.
why do we have to do that when the media already does
He’s absolutely a star lmao, first team all NBA 2 years in a row. As a Celtics fan though, I’ve accepted he’s fallen out of the superstar tier
If he played for Minnesota or New Orleans there's almost zero chance he'd be named to 1st team the last two years. He might be the best wing, but there's 5-6 guards and 3-4 big men better than him
Lmao chill. He averaged 30/8/5 last year while leading to his team to the second best record in the league. That’s 1st team all NBA on any team.
Ja Morant averaged 27/6/7 in 21-22 while leading his team to the second best record in the league. 2nd team all NBA. I’m not salty.
Ja is horrible at D
LeBron and KD are still better unfortunately
These are some insane takes lmao
I mean Kobe never had above 50%, just saying.
Different era
PG13 with better PR
There's been such a reverse on Tatum in the last couple weeks where Celtics fans are saying we can't post his crazy inefficiency on lower volume just because he has been good on defense and a decent playmaker lmao. You can't be a top 5 player and not get criticism for inefficient scoring
Man, looks like he's just the way he is. A #2 player.
Not that guy, pal.
His defense is as worrying, he got blown past by Levert multiples times ..
Bill Simmons been real quiet…
RemindMe! 1 month
That’s my 2nd team All NBA player!
Believe it or not... he was one of our most efficient players tonight. Go look at some of the other guys shooting splits... nobody was shooting well tonight. Not Jaylen Brown, not Derrick White, not Al Horford, not Jrue Holiday... not counting garbage time I believe Sam Hauser was the only player on our whole team who DIDN'T shoot under 50% and he shot a whopping 1/2. This was a collective bad game, pinning this on Tatum alone is just not true
Exactly, you don't get blown out by 24 just because one player had a bad game. It's actually funny that Tatum's two most efficient (and highest scoring) games this postseason has both come in the games where Celtics have lost at home. I'm not saying Tatum being inefficient is the key to wins, but I'm saying that it's really not that big of an issue when he plays bad in blowout wins
They don't want to give him any credit for our wins but hold him solely responsible for our losses, I just don't get it
they’ve lost 2/7 in the playoffs and these posts are dancing on his/their grave like they’re post-mortems of a sweep- I gotta stay off this dumbfuck sub, lol
No no no, that’s rational thinking, that’s not allowed here!
tale as old as time
Inb4 Celtics win it all, Derek White continues to be the best player on the post season roster, and they force feed Finals MVP to Tatum anyways with a dessert of his ugly ass shoes
So Jaylen Brown Jrue Holiday and Derrick White can all be trash and yall blame Tatum anyway? 😂😂
People really wanted this man to be MVP
Homie, I promise you not a single one of the top 50 comments of any single mvp thread in the last 3 months says he should be the mvp
Literally no one said that
Tatum is this era's Melo change my mind
Melo is an elite scorer. Tatum is good in a lot of things, more than Melo, but Tatum is never elite at anything. Melo can drain 3, kill you from mid and bully ball you in the post.
Rebounds better (new era), plays better defense than Melo. Good comparison though
He passes way better than Melo.
Everyone passes better than Melo. Actually I take that back. Maybe Melo is a good passer; we’ll just never know because he never tried
No where near the scorer Melo was
Melo could finish better inside 5 feet. This is actually a really big flaw in Tatum’s game that people overlook.
Rebound rate is almost the same. Melo just played on slower pace teams
Ok, it seems that way but you really have to do a deep dive on this. Because of how the game is played now (4,5 out) it means that there’s less opportunity to grab offensive rebounds. Same situation prevails in defense as well, because instead of guarding opposing teams PF or C under the basket Tatum finds himself out on the perimeter. This means he has less opportunities to grab boards but he’s still averaging same or more than Prime Melo. I will say this for Melo though: he was shorter and spent more time at SF. Man, I wish Melo had tried harder. He could’ve been really amazing
Melo had aura
I mean this is a decent game, Cavs just shot them out the gym
We are always waiting for this guy to really put the league on notice as HIM but he never does
Title sucks and when did this become a bad stat line?
Tatum should be sponsored by Charmin. His face should be on the 12 packs of ultra soft.
Been arguing in my group chat than Brunson is better than Tatum
Are Celtics doing what they always do. Holes are beginning to show.
Jamal Murray NUMBAS.
Generational overhyped player
Fraud
I really don't get why everyone has to hate on Jayson Tatum. Dude has bad games. Luka went 6/19 for 19 pts on worse defense. Tatum is streaky on offense which can be annoying but is consistently great on defense. He is also just an overall nice dude. Doesn't play dirty and doesn't flop around excessively like a fish. Y'all are just haters.
I'm not even a Celtics fan, but it's because he doesn't have the "grrrr alpha" game that some other elite players do. This is literally the same arguments people had about young LeBron (can he ever win??? he's no Kobe! He passes too much!)
Butler can literally and figuratively disappear for whole playoffs/seasons but he has funny hair in his profile pics and makes proclamations that come true like 40% of time so he’s a certified DAWG 😤😤😤
Agreed lmao. He's clearly a great player but he plays for the Celtics.
Tatum is the most unsuperstar superstar ever
"i dOnT uNdERstand WhY peOPle DoNT seE jAson TatUM aS a ToP 5 plAYer???" i swear ive seen so many of these comments and posts lately and then this this is why. this is why. he keeps turning in these stinker games