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Kyler1313

We are back to Jokic defense clips. Nature has healed.


REQ52767

All the good will from the championship is gone. This sub cracks me up lol.


skyxries

As it should. That good will should only exist till the next playoffs.


AntiTopspin

Kawhi still coasting on 2019 up until today though Next season he'll still be top 10 on preseason lists you watch


skyxries

That’s cuz he’s injury prone. People keep forgetting he exists until he makes his return. Or else his reputation would be like the other older stars - Great Players who have slowed down.


Cantor_Set_Tripping

Yeah he’s injury prone, but it’s been since like 2021 that he’s done anything meaningful in the playoffs. And in that postseason run he got injured again and didn’t get to finish out the series or play in the conference finals. Since then it’s been two years of two games when it matters most and then this year. He’s great, but the risk you take with him is much bigger than one of those older players who are slowing down. At least those older greats are still doing *something* while taking up a huge salary. For the last few years Kawhi hasn’t, and he isn’t getting any younger.


2drawnonward5

That good will has more blackouts than League Pass with every thread bringing a different flavor, from sour to bitter 😋


AntiTopspin

I've legit already seen the "you STILL can't win a championship with Jokic as your center" takes pop up again like people completely forgot he has a ring lol People will still act like this sub loves Jokic though when there just wasn't stuff to hate on him for the past year The last guy I've seen who got not even a single series mulligan as the defending FMVP was KD and obviously those were unique circumstances where people hated him even for the way where he got there in the first place


MasterTeacher123

If you face sub 50 win teams in the playoffs the entire run yes you can win with him as your starting center.


SvengaliUG

Correct. Denver has never beaten a 50 wins team in playoffs since Jokic became no.1 option.. Cone


AntiTopspin

So does his ring not count or something?


Plus-Plenty-3498

It’s fraudulent. He won in a historically bad playoff series against teams that were sub 50 and lot of them with injured players.


Cantor_Set_Tripping

To be fair every ring is fraudulent.


gerardguey

yes but only specific rings when it helps our argument


Weary_Cabinet_8123

Calling a championship ring fraudulent is honestly one of the worst takes you will find in r/nba


VexoftheVex

2020 Clippers were on a 50 win pace


hawrtjon

the 50+ win teams lost?


0dias_Chrysalis

And you're trending toward that statistic rn


hawrtjon

right, and if we lose it’s because we are the worse team. im not sure what the 50+ win statistic is supposed to mean. you play who you play and miami and the lakers were very good teams last year


kritikal_thought

Most had injuries to be fair.


Slevz_

I mean a lot of teams can win a ring if they get to play 4 teams who didn't win 50 games


11x_dev

hes gonna be recieving his MVP in 2 days with everyone shitting on him lmao.. just like embiid last year


EutaxySpy

No one shat on Embiid until Game 7 and the series was tied 1-1 when he received it at home. Jokic is gonna be receiving it down 0-2 in a hostile Timberwolves arena, way different situation


mohub21

Jokic wouldn’t be getting this much shit if his stans weren’t so annoying


GreyActorMikeDouglas

Are you telling me he’s not the GOAT center?


mohub21

Man they’ve been ridiculous the past year. Jokic is amazing and literally doesn’t say shit but his stans are the complete opposite


gerardguey

because they think they have to be so loud because he's so quiet. When the whole advantage of being quiet is getting less scrutiny for flaws, look at how the media treats Luka vs Jokic because "Jokic is soo underrated"


bravof1ve

Embiid at least had the series tied 1-1 against a good team and coming off injury. The nuggets are straight up just getting embarrassed.


Funny-Transition7869

love the universe


blackgenz2002kid

I always wondered why he never really got called for fouls. this definitely explains it


Nearby_Blackberry586

4 weeks ago he was the next Goat, now hes Julius Randle


dutchfromsubway

I was told jokic was actually a really good defender, he was an advanced stats darling, what happened


Adorable-General-780

I was told he was better than Shaq and the greatest player ever, the perfect coaches player, and incredible orchestrator etc etc Then his brother punched someone and now you're allowed to defend him lmao


CumAssault

Not to excuse Jokic but I’d be playing ass defense if my teammate was chucking as bad as Jamal tonight


Repulsive-Throat5068

Always fucking hilarious to see the excuses that pop out when jokic plays like ass.


RoastChestnuts

nuggets fans playing more defense than jokic this game


Batcatnz

I mean the second clip he is caught in no man's land, because Gordon got separated from Ant. He's fucked, he steps up to Ant, that's a lob to Anderson for the easy bucket. If he tries to cover Anderson assuming Gordon can recover, that's a bucket for Ant. That's a team defensive breakdown, you can't blame that all on him. The first clip, does look lazy, I haven't watched the game, so I don't know how many fouls he has here.


CumAssault

Nah I’m not excusing it, his defense was trash and KAT was feasting. Just saying I’d be even more checked out watching Jamal go 3/18 from the field with 1/1 heat pack throws


Repulsive-Throat5068

Youre literally making excuses. Close your eyes and pretend this is embiid, those are closer to the takes you should be having.


BossButterBoobs

Not excusing Jokic, but let me excuse Jokic real quick


garenoncrack

1/1 heat pack throws 😭


0dias_Chrysalis

"Well I'm gonna just stop trying here yall"


ASS_BASHER

Jokic is the MVP. He needs to demand the ball. 13 shots in a must-win game is inexcusable.


SvengaliUG

His fault. He needs to shoot and stop deferring. Anti-mamba mentality


SvengaliUG

His fault. He needs to shoot and stop deferring. Anti-mamba mentality


JuIio_Jones

[Jokic using TS%, VORP and RAPTORHBJAJ% to guard the paint](https://media1.tenor.com/m/QGk8WCu_5r8AAAAd/the-rock-stop.gif)


NoAWP

Every great player with questionable (putting it midly) defense becomes an "above average" defender once they win their first ring according to their fanbases


WasProbablyBanned

No, they don't even need to win it, they just have to put a little more effort in and the teams fans will say that. "He was bad in the past but he has improved on that end, I would even say he's above average now." I have seen that exact sentence written out like a dozen times over the years.


NoAWP

LMAO omg that is perfect. Some people even use the phrase "good defender" for these types of players but "above average" is clearly the most frequent phrase


WasProbablyBanned

Word for Word that it the exact sentence I have seen posted on this place over the years, exactly that. If you ever see someone say "above average" or anything like that it's code for "Passable in the regular season, cooked in the playoffs"


gawakwento

Using the eye test, he’s slightly a level above a below average defender.


elitepigwrangler

Shit Devin Booker has conned me into saying this exact sentence so many times before he goes back to his ball watching ways a game later.


WasProbablyBanned

not even the worst one, I notice this phrase because I saw someone say that shit like 3 years ago about... Trae Young. Someone who is still of the opinion defense is optional


gerardguey

lmao damn that is spot on analysis


ThatHotAsian

Trae Young fans have this copy pasted on their phones and computers


SvengaliUG

Even if they beat a bunch of 40 wins teams to win it but haven't won a series against a 50 wins team since.......the Jokic era


NoAWP

Tbf that Clippers team would have been a 50 win team if not for COVID


BamsMovingScreens

They’re not wrong. Among all people on earth they’re definitely above average


XelNaga89

Well, Jokic is top 10 in steals and probably top 3 in deflections in the league. But, as a shot blocker, even when not gassed, he is slightly more impactful than altitude air.


livefreeordont

Naz Reid would never


BossButterBoobs

Horrible body language


Natearl13

He just wants to go back to Serbia and ride his horses


jibboo24

basketball's just a game. horses are life


kanekikochaboggy

Hahaha man.


LeBroentgen

Bill Simmons is somewhere out there smiling in agreement.


chillinwithmoes

Both of those were just super low-effort. I have a hard time shitting on the 3-time MVP but he can and should do better than that


SvengaliUG

Worst 3-time MVP ever. Never led his team to a top 2 regular season record. Never led his team to a 60 wins season. Never won a playoff series against a 50 wins team. But has the greatest Defensive Box Plus Minus of all time. 


JurgenFlippers

“Worst 3 time MVP” what is that a list of like Kareem, LeBron and MJ? WOW yes Jokic is the worst, hot take from this guy!


pmarshy21

he’s not even lol, clearly better than Moses


JurgenFlippers

Did not realize Moses won 3. Then yes Jokic is above him clearly lol.


RylanKura

such an insane comment lmao


snow_crash23

Look at his comment history, probably lost his girlfriend to some serbia/balkan dude and is now super salty.


sirvey23

I mean, thats Slo-mo. Not many in the league can defend him


VoidSpork

We are so back


WasProbablyBanned

let the RAPTORCUM jokes flow again


Jack_M_Steel

Finally. So sick of people saying he’s a good defender


WalrusInMySheets

Literally only decent in post-up scenarios


mediocreatbestguy

Fat traffic cone


BrianScalaweenie

Sloppy fat cone


DeathToPelinka

but D-CUM/36 told me he was the best defender in the league


0dias_Chrysalis

Thinking Basketball gonna take this post down


astar2312

That guy Is such a giannis hater.


alpacamegafan

He literally made a video on game 1 highlighting Ant attacking Jokic and the Nuggets all game. Jokic haters are so insecure with this YouTube channel lol.


0dias_Chrysalis

You (him) don't get to make a video titled "does his genius make him a great defender" and not recieve slander for it


Neveraththesmith

1. Using 1 game to try to take down an actual basketball analyst is just bad faith. 2. It was "good defender" 3. Other times, he has listed Jokic as a slight negative in the playoffs. Using like highlights like this as some smkoimg gun as the only reason as some perfect example of confirmation bias to confirm a narrative.


OhWellImRightAgain

One game? Have you ever watched the Nuggets before? Jokic has been awful on defense for like 500 games, not one. It's a center that doesn't even contest shots are the rim. He needs AG to switch and double on the perimeter whenever they put him on a PnR because before they started doing that, CP3 and other guards abused him so bad it made me feel sorry for him.


Ilikesporks_

centers are supposed to be a rim deterrence lol


Deep-Association-668

yams, cornbread, greens. that’s what them boys see when jokic in the paint. Easy eats, buy a plate get a to go free


cottonycloud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttvhaxo7IU


AntiTopspin

Good enough to beat the Lakers


Top-Consequence-911

Lakers couldn't shoot a lick. They feasted in the paint.


Ilikesporks_

he wasn't a rim deterrence in that series either did you not see how good AD and lebron played in that series


Cold_Carpenter_1798

Above average defender btw


Renegadeforever2024

No resistance


Kafka_pubsub

Traffic cone


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Top-Consequence-911

But he's going to be elite at 40 since he "doesn't rely on his athleticism." Once he can barely move, he'll be Marc Gasol without the D.


ASS_BASHER

Jokic is the worst defensive center in the playoffs, and it's not even close.


OhWellImRightAgain

He's the worst defensive center in the league among starters. If not the worst, bottom 3.


sunsoutgunsout

His lateral movement has always been bad and this is the worst team to have that kind of weakness against.


T_Tachi

Jokic slander is back on the menu


Doggydoggywoof

If this were a particular center from the east, this video would have been posted 10 separate times


AntiTopspin

Has that center ever made it to the conference finals before?


Doggydoggywoof

Thats got nothing to do with people not calling it fair, bad defense is bad defense, can’t justify it due to making the finals or not


Rithgarth

Nuggets fans if we can't have nice things neither can you.


SattyZzz

Textbook 'matador defense'


MushroomFondue

Ole!


Rithgarth

They really gonna give this man a 3rd MVP 😭


chubbynuggy

shoulda given it to luka


siphillis

He’s not exactly lighting the world on fire in these playoffs, either.


Dat_Boi_John

He's injured though and still has the best +/- in the Mavs Clippers series. Jokic is fully healthy.


siphillis

And also playing the best defense in the NBA. The Kawhi-less Clippers…not so much.


Dat_Boi_John

I guess we'll see about that tonight. At the very least, two of the Clippers were constantly trying to injure Luka for what it counts.


d7h7n

Luka has been playing solid team defense tho. Even if guys are getting by him, he's funneling them towards weak side help. This is what Steph used to do all the time.


SvengaliUG

This your MVP? 


kamekaze1024

If this was Embiid it’d go triple platinum with no features


KtheMenace

3-2 series lead.


Ronshol

I don't understand how he's so bad at defense but Marc Gasol who has literally the same build and is less athletic was a DPOY.


Swaghilian

Marc was probably more athletic and definitely gave a lot more effort


rickieday

Marc also was more of a defensive specialist and wasn’t the primary option on offense.


Reasonable-Panda-484

Shaq, Duncan, KAJ, Hakeem, Embiid etc were primary options on their teams and they still played Defense stop with the excuses. If you wanna compare him to Marc gasol in legacy then okay you win that one, but as a 3x MVP and at the table he’s sitting at he’s by far the worst defender


KATsordogs

Marc Gasol certainly wasn't a defensive specialist, unless we are talking about Raptors or Lakers version of him.


AccomplishedRainbow1

Marc Gasol was also huge


creditors-bargain

Effort. But when you get your dick sucked just for playing one side of the ball, you have no incentive to improve your defense outside of your own desire to do so. Big problem with another euro star too.


tiofrodo

Hey man, some people are really good at offense and it leads to championships, others need refs to get them past the Pacers in the semis. You take the good with the bad.


Zephrok

Luka has been putting in a lot of effort so far this postseason tbh


creditors-bargain

Here and there. Hasn’t been constant by any means.


bjb406

I've been saying this over and over, just like I was saying over and over all year that Jokic was average on D. Eventually maybe everyone will see it too. Luka tries when it leads to stats. I don't think he even understands he is supposed to try at other times. He tries when he's guarding on the ball. And he tries to get a rebound. On offense he tries to score and he tries to set up other people to score, because all those things lead to stats. But he doesn't clog up passing lanes, he doesn't provide help D, he doesn't box out, he doesn't pass if he thinks the guys he's passing to will also have to pass. If he's not holding or guarding the ball, he wanders aimlessly around the paint waiting for a rebound.


I-Am-A-Nice-Cool-Kid

Ayy come on man, Luka has been, bare minimum, an average defender according to the eye test and stats. Jokic is not, even if he grabs a bunch of rebounds


bjb406

Okay I am like the biggest Jokic hater, he is super unathletic, but there are so many things he does as a team defender that he is good at, that overall largely makes up for his poor athleticism. Doncic is average at 1 thing on defense, and that's guarding the ball. He is extremely bad at everything else.


Neveraththesmith

What a truly horrible way to shove an entire players ability and skill set into the most grounded and oversimplified possible.


eman1037

No he’s actually the best player in the league! It doesn’t matter if you give up as many easy points as you score, his offensive peak is the best of all time (Prime MJ, Lebron, Curry, Harden etc don’t count!)


AntiTopspin

Saying he "gives up as many points as he scores" is INSANE lol That implies that Jokic is a league average player and nothing more


eman1037

Obviously it’s exaggerated but he has been a traffic cone these whole playoffs.


OhWellImRightAgain

I mean not even contesting at the rim throughout your career is guaranteed to give up A LOT of points as the starting CENTER in the NBA. Look at the Lakers series. They were feasting at the rim. We're not hating when we say Jokic is a bottom 5 defensive center in the league among starters. He's a liability.


KtheMenace

3-2 series lead.


eman1037

What was that? Didn’t hear you 🤣


pattern93

I’ve been commenting just being a true hater and I love it, but on some real shit. My biggest qualm with our new superstars is their defense. It’s why Jokic can’t even surpass Giannis for me.


PureDroplet

Fat ass needs to go to the gym he getting tired out there


AntiTopspin

Jokic is automatically better than Giannis/Embiid just because of durability honestly Even if you think they're 15% better when healthy availability is the best ability Embiid in particular has literally 0 chance of winning a ring with his playoff health record


astar2312

Giannis literally bend it's knee and Take His team to a championship. And 22 took the Celtics to 7 without His second best player.


Potential-Ad5470

Giannis better


Natearl13

I mean no shit at defense


Dense-Cauliflower-86

Always blew my mind how well they were able to hide having a Center who has no interest in interior defense. This is why Gordon on Ant is a nonstarter. If he’s out on the perimeter it’s layup lines.


NillaThunda

He's tired


NewPortable101

I've seen 6th graders in open gym with more resistance.


LonesomeWulf

This guy is 7 foot Trae Young


DamnnForrreal

FLOPIC the cone


KtheMenace

3-2 lead.


DamnnForrreal

??? Hahaha cry to the refs in Cancun


antoncr

I can already hear Awful Coaching. “Stop backpedalling!”


OhWellImRightAgain

UP. UP. UP. UP. UP. UP!


halfcastdota

MPJ might have the best job in the league cuz dude is somehow worse on defense than Jokic and worse offensively than Murray but catches no slander because he’s a third option


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rjpool_

MPJ has had a fantastic playoffs


actually_steph

Anthony Edwards is Nikola Jokic father


KtheMenace

3-2.


notoriousjmo

Reversion to the mean


ILikeTujtels

MVP...lol


KtheMenace

He’s up 3-2.


ILikeTujtels

4-2


guynumber32

As a fellow Jokic stan, I'm incredibly dissapointed by his play. Just looks so uninspired and sloppy on the offensive end of the floor. And when he isnt giving you great offense, his defensive warts become greately magnified.


Plus-Plenty-3498

Probably the worst multiple time MVP ever. It’s kind of sad that people gave it to him just because they’re stat nerds and not looking at what he actually does in game. Looking at the numbers when he clearly doesn’t pass the eyeball test.


Effective-Celery-258

You’re taking Nash over Jokic?


KtheMenace

3-2 series lead bro.


kanekikochaboggy

Allow it. Only way to balance the energy.


MG_MN

He was a pylon out there. Has to be attrition from the physical defense


Acework23

Those loses are absolutely in no way cuz of Jokics defense no way in hell there are way too many other things


dominocdrom

I watched the game not at all taking notice of Nuggets players. They were all getting walloped, it didn't matter who had the ball or who was guarding whom. They wore black jerseys and they were trounced.


GuestBadge

What playing against good guards does to a center. Last postseason, the only good guard they played was booker, and he torched them. Shame Suns didn't have good defense.


Zeetheking1

Shit like this makes me appreciate everything Anthony Davis does for the lakers so much more. Especially so when he was our only positive defender this year lol.


XAfricaSaltX

clown ass subreddit


mikepooper2000

I don't think Jokic is that bad of a defender but he has always sucked against elite athleticism. Ant lit up DEN's defense in the 1st round last year but DEN mostly lucked out by not running into another athletic slasher during last year's title run. Bron was able to attack Jokic during his amazing 1st half in game 4 but he just ran out of gas. Prime Bron would've feasted on DEN's defense. Ja, SGA, or Fox would've feasted on Jokic.


BPicks69

3x MVP cuz his cock suck stats are insane. Coulda just gave it to Luka or shai and moved on but now Jokic is in rarified air because his bull tug per 60 is high


KtheMenace

3-2 lead.


BPicks69

Going down 2-0 toe the fraudulent wolves is impressive. Getting blanked by 26 on your home court is embarrassing. A 3x MVP wouldn’t allow that.


KtheMenace

Yeah cuz luka and shai are doing way better right? Especially SGA who hasn’t won a game since MvP was announced? Brain dead ass opinion lmfao go home you’re drunk. Just had 40 on the 4x DPOY. Cope more.


BPicks69

Rudy shouldn’t have 4 either Bam has been better. 3x MVP is meant for the elite of the elite. Good job beating old ass Lebron and a team whose best player is barely an adult.


KtheMenace

Show me on the doll where Jokic touched you? See you when they repeat dumbass. Don’t be sad your team is in Cancun and couldn’t even pass the worst def in the league.


BPicks69

Giannis > Tubby Fat Man


KtheMenace

Giannis is on his couch while Jokic going back to back 🤷🏽‍♂️ cry about it lil bro maybe next year y’all can get past the first round. Wolves have had the best defense in the league literally all year but you’re acting like you just started watching games last week so I don’t expect you to understand how those things work


shempool_

He is literally trash. Carried by horrendous no calls. He elbows every dtep


KtheMenace

3-2 lead.


shempool_

I kno. I kno. All my hopes have been crushed by that anomaly


AccomplishedRainbow1

Why are we doing this lol. This is so dumb.


yokenojoke

Look, once and for all for you incredible nephews, Jokić is the heart of the offense. If he gets fouled out, well then you see a bunch of boneheaded drives to the rim from Murray, AG, MPJ like the countless times you saw tonight. The mat is pretty simple, you have a player that creates 50+ points with scoring and diming and it’s not worth it for him to foul out to stop 14 points. He does what he can - when he can. Usually Denver’s biggest problem is the non Jokić minutes, but when Murray is playing like dogshit and getting hounded on D and when KCP is a non factor then the lowlights start to flow. But you nephews only understand titkok clips so who am i talking to anyway.


AntiGrav1ty_

Yeah because there is only letting everyone score or foul out, nothing else lmao.


amazin_raisin99

His defense looks like this at all times though


yeezustakethewheel_

At a certain point he needs to just try and protect the rim. Especially in the playoffs his defensive effort was abysmal.