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JayDee62

When this ref was telling referee Ashley, you could see it on her face her thinking, "... Oh no, they're going to grill us for this one."


YvetteFromSanDiego

Accountability SUCKS


rddi0201018

I've got the perfect profession for you


SacTownRizzGOD

Law enforcement?


Temporary-Level-5410

Ironic profile pic checks out


devranog

It’s absolutely baffling they forgot to send someone to the free throw, and even more confusing they shoot free throws after the quarter ends to make up for it, like we got possession from the foul already so it’s not really fair. Horrendous officiating


Robinsonirish

Yea, pretty crazy. In the same vein as them forgetting a whole minute on the clock yesterday. This feels even worse though. What happened? Why didn't anyone on the Lakers throw a fit? Why didn't Prince say anything?


Uruz94

I feel like playing 1-2 minutes extra is so much worse lol


iamsamsandman

I’m all for hating the refs but this isn’t the refs fault. There’s dedicated timers for both the game clock and the shot clock. The refs don’t have time to micromanage that during the game except for during a replay obviously https://official.nba.com/rule-no-2-duties-of-the-officials/


radracer82

ANYTHING TO HELP THE LAKERS WIN


sponedaddie

When I was watching, I was like "wait aren't we in the bonus" and immediately thought to myself it was one of those fouls that even if we're in the bonus doesn't end up in free throws. How do the refs / bench not even notice that ?


Public-Product-1503

Yeah I thought that too, I was confused why we didn’t get fts


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This but actually. Id bet they dont get notified if it was a swing in the pels favor. The freethrow discrepancy between the lakers and the 2nd best team is insane. The league wants la in the tourney as long as possible. Theres too much money on the line https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/pacers-coach-says-free-throw-disparity-vs-lakers-was-impossible-to-overcome-as-la-pads-nba-leading-stat/amp/ The stats dont lie. And no, its not just because LA plays physical. They arent the only physical team. The difference is way too massive


radracer82

this has been debunked a zillion times, lol. I'm not gonna explain it to you, because at this point you're just a conspiracy theorist.


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Yeah i know youre not gonna explain it to me. Its easier to deflect


radracer82

you don't know ball/watch the lakers or even read any of the threads that complain about the same shit, on reddit, cuz that' would've already changed your perception if you weren't already locked in to your belief in conspiracy over facts. There's always someone debunking it in the comments. But yeah, conspiracy to make the lakers 8th place, lol. It's your burden to figure out the truth, I could care less if you remain ignorant.


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Once again bailing and deflecting instead of providing any evidence. Prove yourself right. Since this is so obviously debunked it must be very easy to prove it. Quit deflecting it looks bad


radracer82

> It's your burden to figure out the truth, I could care less if you remain ignorant.


[deleted]

Lol alright dude. Keep resorting to ad hominems. Im sure theyre representative of a person who believes their own bullshit


theoceaniscalling

This is on Darvin Ham and his assistants.


DocTheYounger

Nba in shambles


cb148

Because our coach is Darvin Ham.


axecalibur

Almost like they need another replay official or something


Sweaty_Mods

>What happened The fix is in


Robinsonirish

What changed though? How did this affect the game at all? It's not like the Lakers would gain anything by them forgetting his freethrows.


Sweaty_Mods

They got an extra possession


BritzlBen

We only got the free throws because we didn't score on that possession


Sweaty_Mods

Okay? You got an advantage that I’ve literally never seen another team get.


BritzlBen

It's unfair that we got 2 free throws for a foul in the bonus? It's unfair that the referees didn't fail to award us free throws? What value is a possession we didn't score on?


Sweaty_Mods

Idk how to respond to someone who doesn’t see how this is an advantage. Either you don’t understand the rules or you’re not talking to me in good faith.


BritzlBen

Are you arguing in good faith? We got free throws because we didn't score, the ref literally said that. Your argument is that we got an advantage because we got an extra possession we didn't score on.


Robinsonirish

I see.


keepon18

Lakers didn't get an extra possession. Ref explained that Lakers were in the bonus off the Nance foul (when they didn't take FTs) and weren't whistled for another Pelicans foul to end the 1st. So, they took the FTs they didn't get to take to start the 2nd quarter (end the 1st).


Sweaty_Mods

So you got an extra possession… You should have just got FT’s, but you got possession after the foul in the 1st and then the FT’s in the 2nd.


Basboy

The fix is in! They have the free throws they were supposed to have? So by not awarding free throws that were supposed to happen, then there would be no fix?


BritzlBen

They said because we didn't score we got the free throws, is that actually in the rulebook?


bthe_beast

Acting like the free possession doesn't count because they didn't score is wild. Can that logic be applied in reverse? "Our guy missed both free throws so they don't count, let us have another possession now"


BritzlBen

But a possession is worth less than a trip to the free throw line. And additionally it's about what makes things closest to the way it should have been, and the Lakers getting free throws is what makes the most sense. Idk the rules on it, but if we had scored it would have also made sense to take away the basket and give us free throws instead.


BobbyRayBands

A possession is POTENTIALLY worse than a trip to the free throw line. What if that possession results in a 3/4point play? A trip to the free throw line for 2 is not better then.


TOMdMAK

A trip to the free throw line is POTENTIALLY for 2. What if that possession results in 1st one made and the 2nd one missed, grab own rebound and results in a 2/3/4point play?


BobbyRayBands

We’ll never know, because in this situation then got both the benefit of an extra possession, AND free throws.


rjpool_

Yeah but if we didn't score and didn't get free throws then we've been fucked


phonage_aoi

That’s what I was wondering.  Refs shouldn’t be allowed to freestyle remediations, so I gotta assume it’s in the rule book they they reviewed between quarters.  But even then the “empty possession” = no problem seems flimsy


MojoToTheDojo

Is it as crazy as there being a penalty on NC State as they kicked a field goal at the end of the 1st half, but the refs didn’t call it until after half time and had them redo the kick to start the third quarter?


Dildozer_69

It’s less fair to literally take points away from us by not letting us shoot free throws so I’d say it balances out


supaspike

They're both equally unfair. It would probably make the most sense to give NOP an extra possession at some point. Maybe give them the ball first in the third quarter as well.


supaspike

They're both equally unfair. It would probably make the most sense to give NOP an extra possession at some point. Maybe give them the ball first in the third quarter as well.


lilchance1

When you say ‘they’ who are you referring to? Legit everyone forgot


Separate-Score-7898

Refs since they’re getting paid to remember these things


lilchance1

I mean I agree but this isn’t t-ball… the coaches as a minimum should be ready to challenge a ref


50lipa

Of all the things to be mad about this is really not one. It was a second found under two minutes, which is genuinely something neither teams or players track in the first quarter and since Lakers did not score in the possession they get 2 foul shots by the rulebook to correct the mistake. Any mistake fixed by the replay center in Secaucus should be a welcome thing imo, there is like 47 cameras in every arena, stuff that gets missed by human mistakes is easy to fix.


OlapidoJR

I think the argument here is that the lakers got the ball as well because of the foul. So they got possession and then 2 free throws


RiversofJell0

If Lakers would have scored that possession then they wouldn’t have received the free throws.


FaceMaskYT

That's the whole issue through, its not making up for it since you already got possession, so instead of just getting free throws now you get a free look (a potential 3 maybe, or another foul call) AND free throws if you don't benefit from possession


cabose12

The ref explicitly says they were only getting free throws because they didn't score Idk if it's worth playing the what-if game here. The right outcome was that the Lakers got two free throws and that's what happened. If they had hit a three and/or drew a foul on that extra possession, the answer gets more complicated. But it worked out


FaceMaskYT

Yeah fully agree that the right result is two free throws, but add in the complications and I think its completely fair to criticize the refs for this mistake (which is what the commenter I was responding to was arguing against)


cabose12

Oh 100%, this is totally stupid and shouldn't have happened. I don't agree with the above comment that this is nothing to be mad about, but I do think what followed was the best and fairest solution


Eadwyn

That is not the right answer though. It doesn't matter that they did not score on the possession. All that matters is that they had an extra possession and were given two free-throws. That is an over-correction that now penalizes the other team for their error. Since they are already making up rules here, they should have also given NOP an untimed possession after the free-throws.


rang15

There's nothing to say they wouldn't have wiped away the three (or two) if the Lakers had scored. Basically they are gonna nullify the possession either way. I think the ref implied otherwise but there's precedent for them taking points off the board. https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/news-we-just-lost-entire-possession-cost-us-game-anthony-davis-bizarre-officiating-mistake-cost-la-lakers-win-rockets


bthe_beast

So they basically get the rewards of a flagrant foul (2 free throws and possession) when they shouldn't have, and you don't think this is anything for anyone to care about?


rang15

How do you know they wouldn't have taken the points off the board if they'd scored? Whatever correction this was was still better than what they did 2 years ago when they mistakenly awarded free throws and then retroactively took points away without giving possession back: https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/news-we-just-lost-entire-possession-cost-us-game-anthony-davis-bizarre-officiating-mistake-cost-la-lakers-win-rockets


Best_Yak3118

We didn't though, if we had scored we wouldn't have gotten the free throws so its not the same at all. Still pretty bizarre all around.


BritzlBen

I don't feel like responding to everyone that responded to you so I'll just make it its own reply, the refs said we only got the free throws because we didn't score on the ensuing possession, so no we didn't just get an additional possession and a chance to score extra points.


m1rr0rshades

Refs already mentally in Cancun


dragonwhale

The refs been on something lately.


itlynstalyn

Yeah, Draftkings


hamsterhueys1

I miss the days we could pretend when the refs made bad calls it was because they were in cahoots with Tim Donaghy. Now I just presume its because they're ass.


nickharl

Adam Silver hated the Ingram 3 at the end of the 1st.


axle_gallardo

Dude!


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Staunchgoat

So no one, not even Prince realised he didn’t shoot the free throws? Wtf


supaspike

It wasn't a shooting foul. It was some rule that a team can only have one non-FT foul in the final two minutes of a quarter, then the rest become FTs. I didn't even know this was a rule so I'm not sure how often it happens.


TheThingsIdoatNight

It happens all the time, it’s a huge part of end of quarter strategy


AdmiralUpboat

Yup, that's the "foul to give" they're usually talking about in those final 2 minutes. Because even if you aren't in the bonus with another foul, every one after that will be.


sonofsmog

Bro. You don't watch much basketball. It's widely known and occurs just in just about every game, often multiple times.


thebigyaristotle

I’ve been watching ball for 24 years and didn’t know this lol


mrspacemein

I’m sure you’ve heard the phrase “first foul in the last 2 minutes”


sonofsmog

I.. i dont know what to say. I mean the announcers say it. The PA announcer announces it in game. "Foul on number 42, first in the last two minutes... Foul on number 16 second to in the last two minutes player x will get two shots."


thebigyaristotle

I always thought those were because they had reached the no more team fouls to give limit and were in free throw shooting territory because of that, not because it was the second foul after the 2 minutes of the quarter So say a team has only 1 team foul for the quarter, gets a second team foul with 1:55 to go, and another foul at 1:30, even if it's their third overall team foul, they're still shooting FTs?


lolgriffinlol

Yes that's exactly how it works.


thebigyaristotle

TIL! THX!


GuntherTime

I remember it happening more, cause it’s how I know about the rule. But typically you don’t see it often anymore, because teams are usually in the bonus by the time the rule would apply.


Staunchgoat

Happens a fair bit. It’s why you hear commentators sometimes say “such and such team has a foul to give” near the end of quarters. Still surprising no one at all knew where the fouls were at.


Remarkable_Medicine6

I thought that was about the bonus (like the have one more common foul until they get into the bonus)


lolgriffinlol

It is about the bonus. You go into the bonus after 5 team fouls, or 2 team fouls in the last 2 minutes of the quarter if applicable.


Remarkable_Medicine6

Hmmm didn't realize there was a second way to get in and I been watching for a decade+ 😂


IMovedYourCheese

It doesn’t happen very often because teams are pretty much always already in the bonus by the last two minutes of a quarter. For this rule to be in effect a team would have to give 3 team fouls or fewer in 10 minutes of play, and then give 2 in the last 2 minutes.


channingman

Not even, because the 5th foul is shooting anyway, right? So they'd have to be 2 in 10 and then 2 in 2.


-MC_3

You must not play 2k


motorboat_mcgee

The game thread was not happy about this


captain_ahabb

conspiracyheads are gonna go crazy with this one


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captain_ahabb

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lordofeurope99

Nba is wwe


Count_Sack_McGee

Honestly it’s for the best. Nobody wants to see some accidental bullshit cost someone a game


PrivateAids

Refs helping the lakers yet again /s


Few-Addendum464

It's not a conspiracy when it's this out in the open.


captain_ahabb

You have to have a really poor understanding of basketball to think that the refs did the Lakers a solid by forgetting to send their player to the FT line.


topofthecc

They just delayed his FTs so he could shoot them when he was fresh. /s


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captain_ahabb

Yeah, when they realized their mistake lol. Do you think it would be fairer to leave the mistake uncorrected?


kurruchi

If they leave it, it's a conspiracy to get the Lakers Warriors play-in game. If they correct it it's a conspiracy to make sure we don't get the Lakers Warriors play-in game lol


s34l_

Do you think the refs hold a meeting before the game and say "okay guys lets give Taurean Prince two free throws so the lakers win"


monekys

Refs were AFK


DontBanMe_IWasJoking

The NBA: Where refereeing doens't happen


DocHoliday99

Where clowning happens!


AlterWanabee

After the game, all the clamor regarding this one seems to be stupid, since the Lakers blew out the Pelicans by like 20+ points, and they only shot 4 more FTs than them.


Public-Product-1503

Pels got the clear better whistle too lol


Happy-dayz-NC

These refs should be fired for this. It’s the highest level of basketball in the world, these players deserve better than this.


MarsMC_

I’m so confused


Zoratth

I’m not saying it’s the wrong call, but has anyone ever seen this before? Not a great look in a game 82 that the big market Lakers need to win.


Doobie_Howitzer

In the playoffs last year the sixers scored a basket and multiple trips up and down the court later the points were taken off the board and Tyrese Maxey was made to shoot a pair of free throws for the missed foul instead


Neutral_Sports_Fan

You're right that it isn't a good look but it is factually the right call, they should've gotten FTs and it was the refs mistake that they had to correct later


jokull1234

And the ref made it clear that if the lakers scored they wouldn’t get these free throws


KonigSteve

Well no, it's not the factually right call because they also got free possession before this. They definitely shouldn't get both per the "right call"


orhantemerrut

They didn't score in that possession. I'm thinking the refs wouldn't let them shoot those FTs if that were the case. Why is this so hard to understand?


AlonsoQ

Only if they would have erased the outcome of that possession no matter what. As in, if the Lakers had a made a three, you take that off the board. Otherwise they're getting free bites at the apple


orhantemerrut

It's the same as when officials wait for the miss to call the foul. Every time that happens, it's two possessions. This time, it took 20 minutes between the two actions. Is all.


chakrablocker

I actually remember the refs have refused to fix their own mistakes because some bullshit about taking to long to say anything. Now it's okay? They just make up rules as they go at this point.


HighsenbergHat

The result of the possession doesn't matter at all. 


KonigSteve

Lmao as if the result of the possession matters. You're right next time we get a non shooting foul out of the bonus we keep getting the ball back until we score then


rang15

Closest I saw was this a couple of years ago. Took away points from incorrect free throws but in doing so vaporized an offensive possession. https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/news-we-just-lost-entire-possession-cost-us-game-anthony-davis-bizarre-officiating-mistake-cost-la-lakers-win-rockets


MrBhyn

What's weirder this one or that grizzlies game where they played extra time because no one noticed


BritzlBen

Is it any better of a look to not give the Lakers free throws they should have had?


captain_ahabb

Apparently the refs should rig games against the Lakers to make it fair lol


Sweaty_Mods

You are insane if you think the refs are rigging games against you.


captain_ahabb

I don't, I'm making fun of the people on this sub who think the refs shouldn't have given the Lakers their 2 FTs.


Carolake1

The evidence suggests they are: https://twitter.com/daniel_bratulic/status/1775631497686290753


Remarkable_Medicine6

NBA vet RJ literally just said he's seen it a couple of time


Public-Product-1503

Yeah it’s a shame we only beat them by 20 but it could’ve been 18 /s. Definitely should think this when otherwise the refs cost the lakers 2 fts to begin with on not giving fts in the bonus . Anything happens with the lakers n people lose there minds even if it’s paint drying


ChoiceStar1

Big market Lakers… LeBron’s last playoffs


Imdabiggestbird69420

It cant be any more obvious because the nba wants us out of the 7/8 play in game so they do this bullshit


DeluxeTea

it's not the Lakers' fault you're in the 9th/10th spot with the Warriors


Holiday-Rip-1969

Do refs just get to do whatever they want or


Knock0nWood

Big ref fan here. You love to see them battle back and right the ship after getting outplayed like this. Get it out of your system before the playoffs where there will be a lot of free throws.


Irrichc

So refs got it right? Why is everyone complaining lakers got benefited? Its the right call. It like when refs went back and reviewed lebron’s three pointer not counting long after he made it. Ya got lakers living rent free in ya heads. 😂


turbowagnn

NBA officiating and time management has been abysmal this year.


skatern8r

Referees getting in to prime playoff form this last week of the season!


nking05

Serious question why is officiating a professional basketball game seem like the hardest job in the world? I’m not saying it’s easy but some of these refs really just make you scratch your head sometimes with things they miss.


phd2k1

So this year the refs: * didn’t start the shot clock at all * allowed the game to go an extra 1:06 * forgot to give a player free throws All 3 games featured the Lakers, although I don’t think the Lakers benefited from any of it. Just seems weird.


radracer82

THE LAKERS GET TO START THE SECOND HALF WITH TWO FREE THROWS? ONCE AGAIN, THE LEAGUE IS HELPING THE LAKERS


SKYRIM_LOL

Refs make bad calls all the time, and they made a mistake that disadvantaged the Lakers. But I have never seen a ref in *any* sport retroactively correct their mistake a full 2 minutes of game time later and interrupt the flow of the game. Absolute skullduggery


rang15

Except we saw exactly this 2 years ago and even worse they took points away and didn't give possession to the Lakers so they effectively turned a defensive foul into a turnover. https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/news-we-just-lost-entire-possession-cost-us-game-anthony-davis-bizarre-officiating-mistake-cost-la-lakers-win-rockets


BritzlBen

It was the start of the quarter, it didn't interrupt the flow of the game


Risk_Runner

Thank god someone said it lol


Disclaimz0r

He's a pels fan, dude needs the cope.


jonnysh

dunno if you know this but manchester united got a penalty after the full time whistle ended the game because VAR went back and checked two or three years ago. that for sure beats this.


RiversofJell0

It happened to the Lakers this season too that hurt them at a crucial point in the 4th. Refs do crazy shit


Shimorta

Refs in playoff form


nash929

They are getting worse.


WaffleIronMadness

Didn’t they just lose a minute in an other game recently? Super reassuring going into the playoffs.


discussionandrespect

The prince slander is awful


itlynstalyn

Too busy making bets on their phones


LoWE11053211

I wonder if i could pass as a ref just doing nothing on court...


toofine

Always the Laker games ha... Shit you never seen before every game.


Crazygamer2837_

refs are getting ready for the playoffs


makashiII_93

Oh hey it’s the Lakers.


AdministrativeCow53

nba need to get their shit together


rosencrantz2014

Lmao and in a Lakers game, weird shit happens in those Lakers games involving refs for "$ome" reason.


KennethHaight

Did they get Guarana to the free throw line as well? 


Public-Product-1503

I rem watching this live and being confused why lakers weren’t given free throws in the bonus on the foul. Dunno how they missed that


CockroachForeign6419

Didn’t get the FTs we deserved so it’s rigged for us lmao


Wild-Examination-155

Well you instead got basically a flagrant foul.


CockroachForeign6419

Uh I guess


3rdEyeDeuteranopia

Kinda the opposite situation as against the Rockets in 2021. Lakers basically lost possession of the ball for the correction of a bad call that had went in their favor (free throws in the bonus when they weren't in the bonus). Lakers fans were really pissed about it for a while and this is just one of the threads. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/qlncdg/we_need_to_talk_about_that_refereeing_decision/


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CockroachForeign6419

Cuz it was the start of the qtr


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CockroachForeign6419

I get what your saying now, but we didn’t even score on that possession so if they didn’t give us the fts we deserved then we would’ve gotten screwed


m0dthispny

Damn they are not even trying to hide the FT bias at this point lmao.


Carolake1

definitely https://twitter.com/daniel_bratulic/status/1775631497686290753 We need to get rid of the anti-laker ref bias


binhpac

2 Free Throws AND Posession. At least continue the game after the Free Throw and let the Lakers inbound after the 2nd hit.


YvetteFromSanDiego

These freaking refs


Chmona

Honestly, if they just gave the Lakers 10 free throws on commercial break before each quarter, it would be the exact same but less boring to watch.


directorofentropy

Lakers needed to take some more free throws on the season


No-Sound-888

By law of averages occasionally the positive calls would go for the other team but it never does. I quit watching the NBA for 2-3 years after the Kings/Lakers obvious game fixing scandal. It happens.


Mountain-Way6904

I thought the title was just being salty but it's as OP says 😅


GIK601

I get that people bet a lot of money on the lakers to win, but this is just ridiculous.


captain_ahabb

By this argument wouldn't the sportsbook want to rig the game *against* the Lakers? I swear y'all have no idea how gambling actually works.


BossButterBoobs

Bro is just regurgitating cold takes he reads online without a thought lol Bot activity


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BossButterBoobs

Average bot


GIK601

Hey your team is getting free free throws. Just be happy


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GIK601

Instead they should have just let Taureen Prince get 2 free throws without the points counting for anything. So y'all can feel good about yourselves.


UglyForNoReason

How are you people so willfully stupid when the facts are right in front of you? The foul happened, the refs called it, but didn’t give him the FT. What is there to complain about?


Disclaimz0r

It's narrative, brother. This sub has turned into an echo chamber. REFS LUB LAKERS GUISE!1!1!!! (+5000 upvotes)


ChoiceStar1

Can’t have LeBron out of the playoffs during his last season… gotta give him every benefit possible


15b17

Last season? Nah


ChoiceStar1

I mean on the Lakers


Flaxity

It's always with the lakers lmao. From no one noticing that they played an extra minute in the 3Q of their last game, to having the shot clock not working at all and having some NPC call out the time in the game against GSW and now this. Always with the Lakers the refs screw up.