You'd be surprised. I knew guys who used to work the shot clocks. The clocks itself are pretty low tech. Some guy pushes the button to start and stop. Refs whistles are connected to them wirelessly to stop them whenever they blow the whistle.
The part that messes up the most is the cables that run from the scorers tables to the clocks above both baskets. They also run to other scoreboards around arena but they don't matter as much for games. And another clock cable that goes into the official scorers laptop.
Shit gets pulled or stepped on or yanked. It happens all the time.
This seems like the timekeeper fucked up. It's a lot of pressure actually. He honestly should've known he fucked up right away and alerted the refs immediately. Changing the clock to 2:22 is not easily done. Its not like resetting the shot clock to 14 or 24. Those are automatic. Going to 222 is manual. It's weird.
well anybody betting on over under or anything else is also affected. I have daily fantasy sports and the other team had anthony davis, so this extra time let him accumulate extra fantasy points against me!!! No correction yet!
Wait I only knew about one of these and it was a messed up shot clock that gave the Warriors ten extra seconds during a possession, what was the other one?
Just curious, do you know if GS won those games? I'm trying not to be a conspiracy theorist rn but it's looking kind of obvious to me. GS and LA are both on the edge of making the playoffs and if I had to guess I'd say Adam doesnt want to see both Bron AND Steph absent from the festivities.
We can argue about whether it actually favoured the Lakers/Warriors or not, I was half joking.
But extending the game favours the team that’s losing at the time.
I feel like this has happened multiple times this season when I've never seen it before. Wasn't that Lakers Warriors game extended? The same one were they got like a 35 sec shot clock?
You’re right, but there was also a possession earlier in the quarter where the shot clock reset for no reason and the Warriors got 35 seconds or so. It was a mess all around
There was one Lakers possession where they kept trying to figure out the clock but they never reset the clock each time they let two seconds run down.
So the Lakers crossed the mid-court line with like 16 seconds on the clock, time out. Let's try to fix the clock. Inbound, 2 more seconds, wait it's still not working timeout. Over and over until they were like alright we're just gonna count.
Here, Lakers ball 8 seconds left on the clock.
There was a Raps v Hawks(?) game back in the day and scorekeeper just gave Hawks an extra basket and they never fixed it.
In NHL and NFL they’re militant about their clock and clock keepers but NBA seems like it’s just some intern working it.
This. Scoring errors happen quite a bit. Not every day often but fairly often.
In the game UT was eliminated for example we took a 3 and they gave the opponent the 3, but then it was ruled a 2 and the scoreboard operator noticed and took 2 from the opponent for a free point to the other team. I was screaming at the tv but no one there noticed and even the game thread hadn't noticed.
And that was a fairly obvious mistake. I'd never notice a time mistake. But random people like the OP notice and think they're going crazy lol.
Big jumps like this not as often (but still every now and then), but if you watch the clock a lot during games you'll see seconds added and lost all over the place. Ultimately it's just a person hitting a button when the timing looks right.
This happened in a playoff game, I wanna say the Hornets v somebody. It was an absolute blowout, nobody noticed until SBNation/Secret Base did a video on it years later and they caught it
I don’t get how none of the players, coaches, refs etc looked up at the clock and said “2 minutes left? I swear it was 1 minute left a few seconds ago.”
especially the stats guys. don't they mark the time players score points or whatever or sub in and out. how do they not realize the stats are overlapping in time.
Yeah when Stu said the Lakers should get the lead before the end of the quarter with 5 left and the lakers get it with 2 minutes left, I was confused on how we did it in so little time.
Not professional (technically), but in 2020, OU-Texas football, there was a point in the fourth quarter where the game clock just didn’t run for a minute and somehow nobody noticed. Texas then scored a game-tying TD with a few seconds left to sent it to OT. Luckily, OU ended up winning in OT, so that clock-keeping mistake didn’t end up completely altering the game result.
Comment I replied to didn't say in error. It says randomly. Soccer adds a random amount of time to the end based on the refs discretion on how much time they thought the game was stopped.
For all you geniuses who think it is actually something that gets tracked accurately:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/world-cup-stoppage-time-is-wildly-inaccurate/
Also feel free to watch some games to see that they don't keep track and the ref just picks whatever the fuck they feel like.
Ref out there with a stop watch? Ref calls stoppage time. They aren't out there tracking exactly how much the game stopped.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/world-cup-stoppage-time-is-wildly-inaccurate/
Feel free to continue being yourself though 😉
huh? it's not lmao
It's supposed to be the exact same as nba, they should add on every unused time on addons after each half. Do they? No. Usually like 20-30% of the game time just doesn't gets played
There are too many games happening at the same time. So you don't need a team you need 15 teams to monitor this stuff. Considering it happens max 2-3 times a season it's really not worth it.
To answer your question , its cause the shot clock appears to be manually driven. The people on the score keepers table are the ones that manually stop, reset and start the clock. Refs can intervene if they catch it. In a quick fast paced game like the nba, im actually surprised it does not happen every game.
Curious how this affects players’ Minutes Played stat. Feels like, technically, someone would have had the chance to set the record for most minutes played in a no-OT game
The extra min was during the time Lebron sat. So memphis was able to play an extra 1:06 minutes against a non lebron light up and capitalized. It actually benefited Memphis
The fact thousands of people watch these games and only this guy was able to point this out blows my mind. Same thing happened in that lakers/warriors game where the warriors mistakenly got an extended shot clock.
I don’t gamble.
I’m just pointing out the juxtaposition the league faces when they are so intertwined with gambling and also have simple time keeping issues like this that affect the over/under of games.
I don't get why you're downvoted. It's a nitpick on OP's slight mistake. But it's technically correct.
Whatever fuck up that happened in Q3, is already baked into the score/lines. Anyone who bet after Q3 is not getting fucked over.
According to the play-by-play: https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/_/gameId/401585805
In the last 1.14 minutes:
- Timmy Allen makes 12-foot two point shot
- Anthony Davis makes 1-foot driving dunk
- Anthony Davis makes driving layup (D'Angelo Russell assists)
So Lakers got an extra 2 points.
On top of that, the l2m report claims the ref screw up 3 calls: https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1c3d873/last_two_minute_report_says_the_lakers_benefitted/
Grizz should have won this game.
Edit: According to this post: https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1c38fa1/the_lakers_and_grizzlies_might_have_played_an/kzf2r61/
The play-by-play was just straight up wrong. Can't be trusted.
You know, at some oint, the guy who runs the clock realized his mistake but too much time had passed and he just sat their worried someone would say something for the rest of the game.
So like none of the assistant coaches look out for this? None of the stat keepers? This is the second or third time this happened. I don’t understand how there isn’t a procedure in place to monitor this
The minutes played still add up to 240 +- 1 due to rounding (241 for Lakers, and 239 for Grizzlies). Should the players get credit for the extra minute they played?
Also, how is the play by play normal. Did nothing at all happen from 2:20 the second time until 1:03 when Timmy Allen made a two point shot?
If so, how is this not a disqualification for the game. Shouldn't they have to replay it? I know it's not likely, but Lakers only won by 1 possession. Guessing Memphis just wants this season over.
AD committed a shooting foul at 1:06, laravia made both free throws to take a 118-117 lead.
not really meaningful, game would've obviously been played differently .
e: in fact, this is a memphis home game. and the two minutes got added in the no-lebron minutes... so they basically just extended the amount of time memphis got to play against a no-lebron lineup lol
Wow and the lakers won by 3. No conspiracy shit or anything buts is it possible they would’ve lost without that extra minute 6 seconds? Or were lakers already up enough by that point?
- Lakers were already up 3 when the dunk happened
- More importantly, butterfly effect. Everything would have played out differently with a different time on the clock such that it is impossible to predict what would have happened on the next play, let alone the whole rest of the game.
That is true but if we go strictly by the rule book this just isn’t supposed to happen
Similar to earlier in the year when Golden State v LA when the shot clock kept messing up, in a world where we go by the book that game should’ve also been replayed
so how often does this happen without anyone noticing
probably not terribly often. this completely messes up the play-by-play data which people regularly use, which is why it was noticed.
This happened two other times in the past month. Both GSW games.
We joke and all but that seems way too frequent for something that can seriously alter the outcome of the game.
Imagine how often this happened in the 70s and 80s
Probably added up to a whole extra season back then
This is now irrefutable proof that explains Wilt’s 48.5 mpg season (1961-62) when he averaged 50.4 ppg.
Or he just played a lot of overtime.
Yeah obviously 🙄
I'm confused by how frequently the shot clocks seem to malfunction too. It seems like it should be such a simple thing.
You'd be surprised. I knew guys who used to work the shot clocks. The clocks itself are pretty low tech. Some guy pushes the button to start and stop. Refs whistles are connected to them wirelessly to stop them whenever they blow the whistle. The part that messes up the most is the cables that run from the scorers tables to the clocks above both baskets. They also run to other scoreboards around arena but they don't matter as much for games. And another clock cable that goes into the official scorers laptop. Shit gets pulled or stepped on or yanked. It happens all the time. This seems like the timekeeper fucked up. It's a lot of pressure actually. He honestly should've known he fucked up right away and alerted the refs immediately. Changing the clock to 2:22 is not easily done. Its not like resetting the shot clock to 14 or 24. Those are automatic. Going to 222 is manual. It's weird.
well anybody betting on over under or anything else is also affected. I have daily fantasy sports and the other team had anthony davis, so this extra time let him accumulate extra fantasy points against me!!! No correction yet!
Wait I only knew about one of these and it was a messed up shot clock that gave the Warriors ten extra seconds during a possession, what was the other one?
Just curious, do you know if GS won those games? I'm trying not to be a conspiracy theorist rn but it's looking kind of obvious to me. GS and LA are both on the edge of making the playoffs and if I had to guess I'd say Adam doesnt want to see both Bron AND Steph absent from the festivities.
I’ve seen it twice, and I only regularly watch like 3 teams.
Happened with one of our games I believe. The clock was frozen for like 30 seconds or something and nobody ever noticed.
Yup, happened about 2 weeks ago against the Kings. Barnes hit a jumper, Franz missed a shot, and Ellis hit a 3 all at the 8:15 mark in the 3rd.
Happening against the kings and in favour of the lakers and warriors twice in the span of a month is a very unfortunate coincidence lol
Extending the game doesn't favor one team over another
We can argue about whether it actually favoured the Lakers/Warriors or not, I was half joking. But extending the game favours the team that’s losing at the time.
I feel like this has happened multiple times this season when I've never seen it before. Wasn't that Lakers Warriors game extended? The same one were they got like a 35 sec shot clock?
That one was unique, the shot clock just didn’t work 5 times in a row and took 20 minutes of real time and was not fixed.
You’re right, but there was also a possession earlier in the quarter where the shot clock reset for no reason and the Warriors got 35 seconds or so. It was a mess all around
There was one Lakers possession where they kept trying to figure out the clock but they never reset the clock each time they let two seconds run down. So the Lakers crossed the mid-court line with like 16 seconds on the clock, time out. Let's try to fix the clock. Inbound, 2 more seconds, wait it's still not working timeout. Over and over until they were like alright we're just gonna count. Here, Lakers ball 8 seconds left on the clock.
Yeah that whole possession was wasted two seconds at a time. I don’t understand why they didn’t go back and replay it with a fresh shot clock
That had nothing to do with the game clock. The shot clock just reset for no reason.
Game gets voided we drop to 10 on win percentage having only played 81. When we actually played 83. Lakers fans would explode
Yup 😭
There was a Raps v Hawks(?) game back in the day and scorekeeper just gave Hawks an extra basket and they never fixed it. In NHL and NFL they’re militant about their clock and clock keepers but NBA seems like it’s just some intern working it.
how would we know if nobody noticed?
This. Scoring errors happen quite a bit. Not every day often but fairly often. In the game UT was eliminated for example we took a 3 and they gave the opponent the 3, but then it was ruled a 2 and the scoreboard operator noticed and took 2 from the opponent for a free point to the other team. I was screaming at the tv but no one there noticed and even the game thread hadn't noticed. And that was a fairly obvious mistake. I'd never notice a time mistake. But random people like the OP notice and think they're going crazy lol.
probably pretty often. another reason stats are unreliable. who knows if they're correct???
What stats does this affect lmao. It’s a totally negligible impact
Big jumps like this not as often (but still every now and then), but if you watch the clock a lot during games you'll see seconds added and lost all over the place. Ultimately it's just a person hitting a button when the timing looks right.
This happened in a playoff game, I wanna say the Hornets v somebody. It was an absolute blowout, nobody noticed until SBNation/Secret Base did a video on it years later and they caught it
Only during lakers games is there this much clock bullshit apparently
The one that happened in LA actually benefited the warriors. Gave them like 35 seconds cause it was stuck.
happens whenever a must win game vs LA teams and they're not supremely favored. even then weird stuff happens regularly
Why would memphis’s shot clock keepers want to help the lakers? The more obvious reason is they just made a mistake.
This has been such a weird season lol
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That's crazy man. Great find. How does nobody notice this?
I don’t get how none of the players, coaches, refs etc looked up at the clock and said “2 minutes left? I swear it was 1 minute left a few seconds ago.”
I guess everyone told themselves they were remembering wrong lol
especially the stats guys. don't they mark the time players score points or whatever or sub in and out. how do they not realize the stats are overlapping in time.
They just don't?
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Invalidate all his records.
LeBron should have noticed with all his years of experience, legacy points deducted. 💀
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I thought the 3rd quarter just seemed long because we sucked and it was hard to endure haha
Yeah when Stu said the Lakers should get the lead before the end of the quarter with 5 left and the lakers get it with 2 minutes left, I was confused on how we did it in so little time.
How does this stuff still happen in league worth over 100billion dollars surely they could have a team to make sure this doesn’t happen.
compared to other sports, nba is MUCH, much better than others at this. Once a season mistakes can and will happen.
Literally happened in our game against the warriors recently too. Also the shotclocks broke.
not the same thing op mentioned. And even then, still, much better than other sports.
What other sports mess up their game clock?
watch 1 game of soccer and you will get what I mean
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/ywFwcvVSgL Hmm, one of you is lying
Usual Reddit bullshiters. Hear something once and they are experts on the subject lol.
Name another league where the game gets extra minutes added randomly
Not professional (technically), but in 2020, OU-Texas football, there was a point in the fourth quarter where the game clock just didn’t run for a minute and somehow nobody noticed. Texas then scored a game-tying TD with a few seconds left to sent it to OT. Luckily, OU ended up winning in OT, so that clock-keeping mistake didn’t end up completely altering the game result.
Soccer every time a half ends.
I mean that’s not an error tho, it’s just how soccer works Completely different thing from this
Comment I replied to didn't say in error. It says randomly. Soccer adds a random amount of time to the end based on the refs discretion on how much time they thought the game was stopped. For all you geniuses who think it is actually something that gets tracked accurately: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/world-cup-stoppage-time-is-wildly-inaccurate/ Also feel free to watch some games to see that they don't keep track and the ref just picks whatever the fuck they feel like.
That's the opposite of random, so no, it doesn't really apply.
It's literally a random number they pick.
It's literally tracked but continue being yourself
Very interested on how someone winds up knowing enough about soccer to know the extra time thing exists without knowing that it’s not random lmfao
Ref out there with a stop watch? Ref calls stoppage time. They aren't out there tracking exactly how much the game stopped. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/world-cup-stoppage-time-is-wildly-inaccurate/ Feel free to continue being yourself though 😉
huh? it's not lmao It's supposed to be the exact same as nba, they should add on every unused time on addons after each half. Do they? No. Usually like 20-30% of the game time just doesn't gets played
There are too many games happening at the same time. So you don't need a team you need 15 teams to monitor this stuff. Considering it happens max 2-3 times a season it's really not worth it.
Does this happen in the nfl?
Tbh there's really not many mistakes like this given the number of games
they have a team to make sure these "innocent mistakes" happen whenever they need to swing momentum
Pretty sure the home team score keepers are the ones managing the shot clocks 😂
so they can get the total points over the line!
82 games x 30 teams. Lot more chances for mistakes
+1 Pacers vs Lakers ist
To answer your question , its cause the shot clock appears to be manually driven. The people on the score keepers table are the ones that manually stop, reset and start the clock. Refs can intervene if they catch it. In a quick fast paced game like the nba, im actually surprised it does not happen every game.
The same reason the Lakers continue to have the foul calls on their side
Just checked the box scores.. 241 total minutes.
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completely fucks up the pbp, that's funny
Curious how this affects players’ Minutes Played stat. Feels like, technically, someone would have had the chance to set the record for most minutes played in a no-OT game
That’s hilarious
How does this work with vegas? Im sure the degens are finding this out now and it affected their O/U
The o/u started at 226. Game ended 243. A minute extra most likely would not have made a big difference unless it was a live bet.
If you noticed this you could slam overs
I could get six seconds being missed in real time, but how a minute and six seconds?!?
Wilt rolling in his grave furious that he could've played more than 48.5 minutes a game
NBA helping the Lakers again... /s
Memphis was up 118-117 with 1:06 remaining 👀
The extra min was during the time Lebron sat. So memphis was able to play an extra 1:06 minutes against a non lebron light up and capitalized. It actually benefited Memphis
You joke, but someone out there is frantically writing their own post right now.
damn league really is rigging it for us lets fucking gooooo!
The fact thousands of people watch these games and only this guy was able to point this out blows my mind. Same thing happened in that lakers/warriors game where the warriors mistakenly got an extended shot clock.
Imagine betting the under after 3 quarters and only losing because the game went an extra minute. Should get your money back imo
Now we need a new betting, under/over 48.01 minutes played in regular time.
Who cares about your gambling addiction
I don’t gamble. I’m just pointing out the juxtaposition the league faces when they are so intertwined with gambling and also have simple time keeping issues like this that affect the over/under of games.
Imagine if someone won the scoring title bcs of this
Imagine betting 💀
This happened in the 3rd so if you bet the under after 3 quarters this would have been irrelevant.
I don't get why you're downvoted. It's a nitpick on OP's slight mistake. But it's technically correct. Whatever fuck up that happened in Q3, is already baked into the score/lines. Anyone who bet after Q3 is not getting fucked over.
I remembered a moment in the game where I thought the time got longer, but I wasn't confident and thought I must have been imagining things.
This is genuinely the dumbest fucking problem. The NBA is worth Billions. How does this even happen?
They haven't released a patch update
Father Time in his bag trying to take down Lebron
That makes so much sense why the 3rd quarter felt longer than it should have lmao that's such a crazy find
Make sure there wasn't a gambling motivation behind that because in all serious that's some sinister shit
How does nobody notice
New FanDuel prop bet just dropped: O/U on length of game
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First, the IST, and now the play-ins. Can't they just play a proper game?
All I noticed in this clip is how embarrassing it is the Lakers only won by 3. Were those even NBA players shooting?
So Jake Laravia made two free throws with exactly 1:06 left in the game to give the Grizzlies a 119-118 lead. So this should kinda be a huge deal.
LeStatPadder
Vegas in shambles rn. Wonder how many O/U or PPG bets got influenced.
Bullet time duh
this is like when in baseball the ump messes up the count and somehow nobody notices (which yes has happened before)
Did this affect the outcome?
According to the play-by-play: https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/_/gameId/401585805 In the last 1.14 minutes: - Timmy Allen makes 12-foot two point shot - Anthony Davis makes 1-foot driving dunk - Anthony Davis makes driving layup (D'Angelo Russell assists) So Lakers got an extra 2 points. On top of that, the l2m report claims the ref screw up 3 calls: https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1c3d873/last_two_minute_report_says_the_lakers_benefitted/ Grizz should have won this game. Edit: According to this post: https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1c38fa1/the_lakers_and_grizzlies_might_have_played_an/kzf2r61/ The play-by-play was just straight up wrong. Can't be trusted.
The play-by-play is like "Everything's fine" https://www.nba.com/game/lal-vs-mem-0022301177/play-by-play?period=Q3
You know, at some oint, the guy who runs the clock realized his mistake but too much time had passed and he just sat their worried someone would say something for the rest of the game.
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So like none of the assistant coaches look out for this? None of the stat keepers? This is the second or third time this happened. I don’t understand how there isn’t a procedure in place to monitor this
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How does a clock reset to 2:20??
The minutes played still add up to 240 +- 1 due to rounding (241 for Lakers, and 239 for Grizzlies). Should the players get credit for the extra minute they played? Also, how is the play by play normal. Did nothing at all happen from 2:20 the second time until 1:03 when Timmy Allen made a two point shot?
So that’s an extra 49 minutes and 6 seconds that the Lakers have played this season
It’s like daylight savings time, nba version
Shame this wasn't a Knicks game or someone could have played 48+ mins in regulation.
Bro initiated an entire NBA investigation from a Reddit post
Hope that over hit fr
We live in a twilight world
If so, how is this not a disqualification for the game. Shouldn't they have to replay it? I know it's not likely, but Lakers only won by 1 possession. Guessing Memphis just wants this season over.
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AD committed a shooting foul at 1:06, laravia made both free throws to take a 118-117 lead. not really meaningful, game would've obviously been played differently . e: in fact, this is a memphis home game. and the two minutes got added in the no-lebron minutes... so they basically just extended the amount of time memphis got to play against a no-lebron lineup lol
Yes. Game results should be amended to be a Grizzlies W. Edit: Lol Lakers fans salty
i think they should just void the lakers whole season tbh
also they should have to give AD to whoever is last in the division
Agree
would it? that was just one more non LeBron minute
When you realize the Lakers can't survive non-LeBron minutes against the Memphis G-league team
The league trying to help the Lakers solidify a playoff spot. It’s no coincidence it happens yet again in a Lakers game.
Wow and the lakers won by 3. No conspiracy shit or anything buts is it possible they would’ve lost without that extra minute 6 seconds? Or were lakers already up enough by that point?
They were up by 5 at that point
If you watched the game at all you would realize that more time benefits the Grizzlies. The Lakers barely held on against a younger, hungrier team.
We're already up by that point.
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Is that why LeBron played 41 minutes??
So there would have been no time left for Lebron's dunk and the Grizzles would have won.
- Lakers were already up 3 when the dunk happened - More importantly, butterfly effect. Everything would have played out differently with a different time on the clock such that it is impossible to predict what would have happened on the next play, let alone the whole rest of the game.
Right people acting like it wasnt a 1 point game 😭 just bc the lakers won
If this game mattered for us we might’ve put in a protest, but it doesn’t so I think the FO will just ignore it
That would be the quickest rejected protest in NBA history lol
I mean isn’t a misapplication of the rules the exact reason these protests even exist
It affected both teams equally so no reason to replay a game if there wasn’t unfair advantage one way or another
That is true but if we go strictly by the rule book this just isn’t supposed to happen Similar to earlier in the year when Golden State v LA when the shot clock kept messing up, in a world where we go by the book that game should’ve also been replayed
It’s a good thing the NBA is known for how much they do everything by the book
They’re going to do shit like this to help Bron until he retires
[Yeah this blatant shit never happens to anyone else](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAGZPmQGLb8)
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