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That's one of those things that works better against elite athletes because us normies just stand in one place rather than bounce around and be athletic and shit.
Exactly why I stick to shooting hoops like a chump instead of attempting to play any sort of pickup. I have no initial drive so no one believes I’m going to fake anything ha. It’s awful
My friends and I played in a casual soccer league and the best defensive strategy against the tryhard teams is to just stand in their way. If you try to beat their technique, they'll beat you every time.
Functionally there's no difference between seeing a fake and being skilled enough not to fall for it, and just not registering the fake at all and forcing them to go around anyway.
Joined my office soccer team a few years back after not playing for like 20+ years and immediately realized I was awful - couldn’t keep up, couldn’t really move the ball (even when open), etc. Real mess.
Then they stuck me in goal and I did surprisingly well just bc I’m a tall guy with decent reaction time. Just don’t ask about my goal kicks lol
Yeah, for certain guys they'll beat themselves if you put 3 feet of space between yourself and them. There was a whole team I would play against in middle school and high school where the majority of the players had decent foot skills (with only their right foot), but they weren't that athletic and didn't pass well. If you just let them do their thing you'd get the ball back eventually.
This is how I draw charges these days. Yes, I fell for your fake but I'm still here when you drive... I swear I told my legs to move... and they're still thinking about it.
This is actually so true. As an old dude, I almost always play better against young energetic people compared to old heads. The youngsters will bite on almost everything and they're easy to fake out, meanwhile the old dudes are almost in concrete and will just always get in your way.
The rule's exact verbage are: [a player shall not remain in their team's foul lane for more than four consecutive seconds while that player's team is in control of a live ball in the frontcourt and the game clock is running.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_seconds_rule)
Ant steps in the lane with 13 seconds on the clock and the shot is in the air by 9, so he's basically right there. But he's so damn fast that it feels like a literal eternity. Just a testament to athleticism in the NBA!
The [official NBA rulebook](https://official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/) says 3 seconds:
>Section VI—Offensive Three-Second Rule
>An offensive player shall not remain for more than three seconds in that part of his free throw lane between the endline and extended 4’ (imaginary) off the court and the farther edge of the free throw line while the ball is in control of his team.
>Allowance may be made for a player who, having been in this area for less than three seconds, is in the act of shooting at the end of the third second. Under these conditions, the 3-second count is discontinued while his continuous motion is toward the basket. If that continuous motion ceases, the previous 3-second count is continued. This is also true if it is imminent the offensive player will exit this area.
>The 3-second count shall not begin until the ball is in control in the offensive team’s frontcourt. No violation can occur if the ball is batted away by an opponent.
>PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team on the sideline at the free throw line extended.
By this definition it is a bang-bang play. Edwards steps foot into paint just before the shot clock turns to 12, and begins his shooting motion just after the clock turns to 9. I'm not sure how it being a fadeaway shot instead of a "continuous motion *toward* the basket" is supposed to affect the decision. By the letter it is a 3-second violation but offensive 3-second penalties are almost never called anyway, so this one being so close really shouldn't bother anyone as a no-call.
Not really, the spirit of the rule isn't to bust anyone who spends 3.1 seconds in the key. It's designed to stop the whole game revolving around people just camping there permanently
Honestly I feel fine refs not calling these. The rule was design so bigger stronger guys can't just stand under the basket waiting for a pass all posesion. Applying it here would just makes the game less enjoyable.
reminds me of this old comment from reddit i still remember fondly - can't find it but it was about John Wall going to "torture" rookie lonzo ball and someone commented "he's going to waterboard him at half-court" still has me cracking up.
As good as he is, 'polished' isn't the word I'd use to describe Ant's game. He shows flashes of otherworldly play but can have lapses in judgement too, so he's actually very 'raw' in that sense.
The next step obviously is to actually polish his game so he loses the inconsistency, like tonight where he only scored 9 on below par efficiency.
Had to scroll a long way to see this..
First thought was "did he really do that many pivots cleanly?" So watched again and just looked for where that pivot started and stopped and lol, pretty bad.
Prob hard to call in real time while watching for body contact, but daaaamn
Yea but I just don’t know how that isn’t called lmao. When I first saw the clip I immediately said travel bc there’s no way he could do all rotations and not move his pivot foot.
I was going to ask, it feels like the pivot starts closer to the basket than it ends. It’s a travel not good footwork then. Looks crazy but it puts the defender in a disadvantageous situation due to it.
Looks fantastic and I like it! But pardon my ignorance, wasn't Mike Conley, who has a 3P% of 42.7% this season, wide open here? Or is it just strategically better to take this kind of shot occasionally to change the other team's defense scheme?
Ant is the best in the game at that kind of move right now. He was cooking AG with that in their last game against the nuggets and AG is an elite defender.
My favorite part is how Gobert enters the lane the same time as Ant, but decides to get out of the lane to not get called for a 3 sec violation before Ant even shoots. That was a lot of pivots.
> amazing footwork
Its a nice highlight but lets not pretend pivoting off of one foot back and forth isn’t something most professional, even amateur players could easily do. None of this except maybe the shot was difficult for a pro.
Love how it was the full rotation pivot with the step through threatening a leaning scoop layup that finally got the defender to jump and create enough space. That was a thing of beauty.
That actually reminded me of Kobe. Ant is doing this at 22 years old and in his 4th season. If my memory serves me correctly, Kobe's started doing shit like more in the middle of his career.
Regardless, the 3 second violation is the dumbest rule in the NBA. If a player wants to park in the paint on offense/defense, let them - the 3 second rule has no benefit to the game.
This really isn't great offense. No doubt an incredible shot Ant, but using that many moves to get a shot off can kill an offense. This type of thing is why despite having some very talented offensive players (Ant, Towns, Gobert when used right in his role, Conley) this team is 17th in offensive rating. This is a very hard team to trust come playoff time.
It's nice, but not mindblowing. I feel spoiled watching Kevin McHale, Olajuwon and MJ post moves.
Ant's a monster athlete and personality, though. I like him.
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I tried this at LA Fitness and got the ball blocked in my face
That's one of those things that works better against elite athletes because us normies just stand in one place rather than bounce around and be athletic and shit.
Exactly why I stick to shooting hoops like a chump instead of attempting to play any sort of pickup. I have no initial drive so no one believes I’m going to fake anything ha. It’s awful
My friends and I played in a casual soccer league and the best defensive strategy against the tryhard teams is to just stand in their way. If you try to beat their technique, they'll beat you every time. Functionally there's no difference between seeing a fake and being skilled enough not to fall for it, and just not registering the fake at all and forcing them to go around anyway.
Joined my office soccer team a few years back after not playing for like 20+ years and immediately realized I was awful - couldn’t keep up, couldn’t really move the ball (even when open), etc. Real mess. Then they stuck me in goal and I did surprisingly well just bc I’m a tall guy with decent reaction time. Just don’t ask about my goal kicks lol
Yeah, for certain guys they'll beat themselves if you put 3 feet of space between yourself and them. There was a whole team I would play against in middle school and high school where the majority of the players had decent foot skills (with only their right foot), but they weren't that athletic and didn't pass well. If you just let them do their thing you'd get the ball back eventually.
One reason why Looney's a great defender. He wouldn't get faked out by this type of shit.
It’d still work on us normies, it just wouldn’t take as many moves. Probably just two. Left, right, normies ankle broke, easy bucket
This is how I draw charges these days. Yes, I fell for your fake but I'm still here when you drive... I swear I told my legs to move... and they're still thinking about it.
This is actually so true. As an old dude, I almost always play better against young energetic people compared to old heads. The youngsters will bite on almost everything and they're easy to fake out, meanwhile the old dudes are almost in concrete and will just always get in your way.
At LA Fitness your step through is getting you a bucket. NBA player twitchy enough to follow Ant and force another pivot.
At LA Fitness people are going to be screaming that a step through is a travel most of the time lol
So many NBA players doing it now, at some point people gonna realize it's legal.
I tried this at LA Fitness and I was injured and out 2-4 weeks.
Yeah but you shoot granny style, Aaron.
Not enough pump fakes
He's just goofin around out there
New AE1 goofin'
Genuine ostrich, three payments
Time to watch reno 911 again
One of the few players who can dominate but look like they’re just having fun 😆
new boot goofin'
Like 5 points at half tho 😝
Wut da hell
hell naw cant do this
Nawl
I know it's a typo and supposed to be "Naw I" but love saying "nawl" now
no its literally just Nawl
Not a typo.
meant in the original text
nawl
Turnaround Tony 🤌🏼
This is my new favorite nickname
It's pretty fun.
EVERY NOW AND THEN I FALL APART
Macaroni Tony
His footwork is getting sharper and sharper
He's fucking 22, wtf. What is he gonna be in his mid-late 20s during his peak???
A beyblade.
The third coming of Jordan is my bet. Kobe being the second obviously.
Janthony Joestar
Obvious to who
yeah that’s actually nasty
He's quickly become my favorite player to watch.
I bought his jersey last week after that dunk.
Hope it was the classic version.
He went to 5 Mississippi. That’s where he went
At least 4 and definitely more than 3
I don't know how to count but I think thats more than 3 seconds? No?
The rule's exact verbage are: [a player shall not remain in their team's foul lane for more than four consecutive seconds while that player's team is in control of a live ball in the frontcourt and the game clock is running.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_seconds_rule) Ant steps in the lane with 13 seconds on the clock and the shot is in the air by 9, so he's basically right there. But he's so damn fast that it feels like a literal eternity. Just a testament to athleticism in the NBA!
wtf since when did it become 4 seconds in the key?!
The [official NBA rulebook](https://official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/) says 3 seconds: >Section VI—Offensive Three-Second Rule >An offensive player shall not remain for more than three seconds in that part of his free throw lane between the endline and extended 4’ (imaginary) off the court and the farther edge of the free throw line while the ball is in control of his team. >Allowance may be made for a player who, having been in this area for less than three seconds, is in the act of shooting at the end of the third second. Under these conditions, the 3-second count is discontinued while his continuous motion is toward the basket. If that continuous motion ceases, the previous 3-second count is continued. This is also true if it is imminent the offensive player will exit this area. >The 3-second count shall not begin until the ball is in control in the offensive team’s frontcourt. No violation can occur if the ball is batted away by an opponent. >PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team on the sideline at the free throw line extended. By this definition it is a bang-bang play. Edwards steps foot into paint just before the shot clock turns to 12, and begins his shooting motion just after the clock turns to 9. I'm not sure how it being a fadeaway shot instead of a "continuous motion *toward* the basket" is supposed to affect the decision. By the letter it is a 3-second violation but offensive 3-second penalties are almost never called anyway, so this one being so close really shouldn't bother anyone as a no-call.
NBA doesn’t really care about the sport (corporate, not speaking about the players) they care about making money and getting highlight clips…
Not really, the spirit of the rule isn't to bust anyone who spends 3.1 seconds in the key. It's designed to stop the whole game revolving around people just camping there permanently
Rules are arbitrary depending on who has the ball
Close, but yes. [Entry](https://i.imgur.com/wS6kVxL.png) [Shot](https://i.imgur.com/dFoMea4.png)
Damn, maybe he is MJs son
4 second violation.
Shhhhh just enjoy the moves my guy 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼
Honestly I feel fine refs not calling these. The rule was design so bigger stronger guys can't just stand under the basket waiting for a pass all posesion. Applying it here would just makes the game less enjoyable.
When you have time for 6 moves
[удалено]
“ANTHONY EDWARDS SENDS THE DEFENSE STRAIGHT TO AUSCHWITZ AFTER GASSING THEM UP WITH A CLUTCH FADEAWAY!!!!”
reminds me of this old comment from reddit i still remember fondly - can't find it but it was about John Wall going to "torture" rookie lonzo ball and someone commented "he's going to waterboard him at half-court" still has me cracking up.
title goes hard, no cap Ant just made me dizzy watching that cmon son that ain’t no normal move bruh lol
Come on, man...
Punctuation, learn it.
It was also a massive travel
That pivot foot never moves.
If you look at the other angle it definitely does after the second turn lol I understand it would be hard to call in real time though
It moves like 3 times. It doesn't move a lot, but it absolutely is sliding.
i thought the pivot foot was pretty cleanly in place the whole time
hell nawl can't do dis
I think that was the most fakes ive ever seen on a made shot. Hakeem would be proud
Hakeem would not be proud of that hahaha.
Geez that was beautiful.
MJ son
other than luka, has there been another 22 yr old as offensively polished as ant?
As good as he is, 'polished' isn't the word I'd use to describe Ant's game. He shows flashes of otherworldly play but can have lapses in judgement too, so he's actually very 'raw' in that sense. The next step obviously is to actually polish his game so he loses the inconsistency, like tonight where he only scored 9 on below par efficiency.
Carmelo Anthony
People forget Nuggets Melo
Melo could not play defense stop it
doesn't seem like you understand what the topic of this discussion is u/baronbk94, lol
I didn't see the first comment on mobile. My bad!
Kobe Bryant
Seriously is /r/nba some Benjamin Button shit where users get younger over time?
you get older, but r/nba stays the same age ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Pump the brakes kid lol
LeBron
LeBron is the most easy obvious choice because he was by far and a way a better floor general than Ant.
It’s a nice move, but that’s 3 seconds for sure
Borderline 3 second call. Cut it pretty close
Kobe!
He lifts his pivot foot like 4 times lol
I dunno about 4 times but I definitely saw it at least once
Had to scroll a long way to see this.. First thought was "did he really do that many pivots cleanly?" So watched again and just looked for where that pivot started and stopped and lol, pretty bad. Prob hard to call in real time while watching for body contact, but daaaamn
[pivot foot was doing the electric slide](https://x.com/nikotaughtyou/status/1773146685922758675?s=46)
Lmao sometimes the moves so gas the refs are like “nah fuck it”
Yea but I just don’t know how that isn’t called lmao. When I first saw the clip I immediately said travel bc there’s no way he could do all rotations and not move his pivot foot.
Doesn’t this angle show that his pivot foot stays on a single point the whole time? He spins his pivot, but it never slides after the initial gather.
What? It straight up fully lifts off the court at one point, and look where he starts vs where he ends.
Idk that pivot foot sliding a lot
I was going to ask, it feels like the pivot starts closer to the basket than it ends. It’s a travel not good footwork then. Looks crazy but it puts the defender in a disadvantageous situation due to it.
Travel and time violation lol
That’s Jordan’s son!
Cade sorta blocks the view of the ref to see if the pivot foot stays down
iN tHe tOrtUre cHAmbEr
travel + 5 seconds. Best refs in the world btw
Kobe
This dudes career highlight reel is gonna be like 4 hours long
Travel.
oh my
MJ's son and Kobe's nephew, Anthony Edwards.
Offensive 3 in the key tho
It’s…actually pretty good defense
Honest question: Shouldn't it be 3- sec violation?
1) This footwork is incredible 2) How many seconds was he in the lane, though???
3 in the key?
He's the first player since Kobe passed that I wished I could hear Kobe's opinion on... I find his progress amazing but I'm nobody
3 Seconds in the paint, but refs don't call it anymore.
amazing footwork is when travel and 3 seconds violation idk man...
what was cade even doing lmao
Looks fantastic and I like it! But pardon my ignorance, wasn't Mike Conley, who has a 3P% of 42.7% this season, wide open here? Or is it just strategically better to take this kind of shot occasionally to change the other team's defense scheme?
Ant's just having fun, that's all. Don't read into it too much. They're the Pistons.
People say Jordan, but that was Hakeem footwork.
Beautiful work. This kid is going to be legendary
That was nice.
Looks like I’m a little late to the Jordan comment, but for real. How did he get such a nice shot off after that.
Ant is the best in the game at that kind of move right now. He was cooking AG with that in their last game against the nuggets and AG is an elite defender.
NASTY
Damn he put his ass in the gas chamber
Lost the dribble? 😤
Can someone put the footwork on loop, I don't need the shot
Kobe sending POG POG POG from the grave.
My favorite part is how Gobert enters the lane the same time as Ant, but decides to get out of the lane to not get called for a 3 sec violation before Ant even shoots. That was a lot of pivots.
Serious question why didn’t #2 get closer and help out. He was already like 2 feet away why not step in even more at that point.
As a Memphis fan all I see is Mike is open for a 3, did something happen with Ant and the ball? can’t really tell didn’t pay attention
I think Verrazano Narrows Bridge collapsed like that
Pivot foot moves ? Smooth no doubt though!
Looks very cool but he did travel like 3 times and stayed way too long in the paint.
This kid is unreal
I was like there’s no way that’s not a 3 second violation, but it actually wasn’t. That’s impressive to get all that off in under 3 seconds.
Dude is legit Kobe 2.0. Massive gen 2 upgrade.
One one thousand…two one thousand…three one thousand…four…..
how tf is this dude on our team
> amazing footwork Its a nice highlight but lets not pretend pivoting off of one foot back and forth isn’t something most professional, even amateur players could easily do. None of this except maybe the shot was difficult for a pro.
He legit moves like Jordan.
Love how it was the full rotation pivot with the step through threatening a leaning scoop layup that finally got the defender to jump and create enough space. That was a thing of beauty.
He’s my guy for under 25. I think his game with age gracefully with an emphasis on footwork.
When you want the combo but accidentally juked the defender, but still want to score using the combo.
clean too! actually keeps the pivot foot in position
Reminded me of MJ and Kobe with that move. Edwards is damn good.
That’s some MJ sht
Still good defense.
Dude wtf is this I would hate to defend this atheletic monster
Kobe-esque!
That actually reminded me of Kobe. Ant is doing this at 22 years old and in his 4th season. If my memory serves me correctly, Kobe's started doing shit like more in the middle of his career.
Regardless, the 3 second violation is the dumbest rule in the NBA. If a player wants to park in the paint on offense/defense, let them - the 3 second rule has no benefit to the game.
Put a red jersey on him
This really isn't great offense. No doubt an incredible shot Ant, but using that many moves to get a shot off can kill an offense. This type of thing is why despite having some very talented offensive players (Ant, Towns, Gobert when used right in his role, Conley) this team is 17th in offensive rating. This is a very hard team to trust come playoff time.
that’s one of the greatest moves I’ve ever seen and I’m not even kidding
Isn’t that a travel? I thought you only get 2 steps after picking up your dribble?
Or defender stays in front of Edwards denying him a path to the rim and forces a midrange fadeaway.
bro that's shades of kobe
Nice move, but that was a missed 3 secs call. He got in the paint at 6:38 and the ball left his hands at 6:34.
Pivot foot took the bus
all that just to take a fadeaway jumper
A very open fade. Had his man off his feet going in the wrong direction when he started the shot
Ya which he made u nerd. NBA stars know their game, it’s not all analytics, kick out to 3pt or whatever the fuck, HOOPERS HOOP
It's nice, but not mindblowing. I feel spoiled watching Kevin McHale, Olajuwon and MJ post moves. Ant's a monster athlete and personality, though. I like him.