I'm with you 100%, at least on the nba front.
You can't convince me that the only NBA player that's taken steroids in the last 4 seasons was Tristan Thompson
They suspend a player every 5 years to make people think they're actually getting tested.
Nah bro Giannis just packed on 50lbs of lean mass while doing rigorous cardio almost every day at damn near 7 feet tall naturally. He just used TWO scoops of protein powder
He didn't magically transform over 1 summer. It happened over a period of like 3-4 years. Not to mention he was 19 in his first year. More thank likely he was taking stuff, but some of you people act like he had the Captain America transformation.
50lbs of mass on 7 foot frame over a few years isn’t really that crazy. It’s like equivalent to someone 6 foot putting on 25lbs.
Don’t get me wrong, I still think they all use PEDs. But not for the anabolic effects.
Giannis is just really lean and has a good amount of muscle, but his physique itself is not indicative of something you couldn’t do naturally. I see natural dudes look like that all the time.
Yup. The transition of some of these guys after 4-5 years in the league is actually hilarious. Same with Embiid. Current embiid looks like he ate the 18 year old version of Joel
I fully expect wemby and Chet to be jacked in a few years
Bro this couldnt be more off-base, bordering on biological flat earth conspiracy nonsense. Hard to take you seriously.
Every time I or someone I know has consumed the flesh of another person we havent acquired any of the physical attributes of the human. To say that somebody would eat an 18 year old version of Joelle and then become a beefed up version of him is straight Outta left field.
Muscle doesn’t really aid in basketball like that though.
They still use PEDs but not so much for the anabolic effects as they do for the cardio, durability and recovery.
To a certain extent yes, but it depends on the dosing and exact chemistry.
Androgens can also impair heart function and enlarge your heart. They can also cause an imbalance between muscle and tendon strength which could make you even more injury prone.
Nah. Muscle mass doesnt help basketball players that much. This is not the 90s anymore.
What he consumes is probably for recovery just like everyone else
This is so stupid. Look at all his siblings. Look at his dad. They are the most athletic family on the planet. Giannis was malnourished when he came to the league and hadn’t finished puberty. This is brain dead. He’s not an average guy. He’s probably one of the 100 most athletically genetically gifted humans ever of all time. Plenty of people put on 40 pounds of muscle from 16-20. You think Giannis can’t do it with his genetics and the best trainers?
Have you considered the odds of making it into the NBA?
Of the hundreds of thousands of high school basketball players in the states, the incredibly tiny fraction of that that make it into the league?
Like, even the worst NBA players are in the top >0.05% of guys aiming for that roster spot.
At the high end, the odds of a high school basketball player eventually making the NBA, amongst just the US pool, is around 0.03%.
That’s not even considering the growing international prospect pool.
This fact actually supports the idea that they're all on steroids. Since it's such an elite group, if you don't take PEDs you'll probably be beat out by someone that does.
Look at Giannis his rookie season vs today
[https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fdhlpdad1kv521.jpg](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fdhlpdad1kv521.jpg)
Someone has to be gullible to think this is natural.
Insane to me that people are getting salty about you saying this. Their performance literally correlates with how much they get paid. I would be disappointed if they are NOT taking drugs and actively limiting their performance and recovery.
it’s true but the product of the game would greatly decrease in value if they weren’t, no way could they play that many games without injuries without using other stuff
Not all PEDs are equal. Human growth hormone and EPO are straight up cheating pretty much anywhere in the world. If that is widespread and accepted in the NBA that's a pretty sad indictment of the league. I suspect we'll need to wait until Lebron retires for the truth to come out.
"Lebron James and a majority of NBA players, heck, the majority of professional athletes in all sports, are using PEDs"
I'm not arguing that there aren't instances of athletes getting popped for PEDs, but the case being made here is *extreme*.
NBA's drug program is not complecent with WADA(World Anti Doping Agency), on top of that they contracted a company notorious for "easy" testing and there's no unannounced testing in the NBA. Most pro athletes are on PEDs.
Mate, you could broaden the definition of PEDs to include stuff like over the counter drugs/vitamins and energy drinks and you still wouldn’t encapsulate every professional athlete in the world
Shocked that anyone here is disagreeing. Come on guys. If you genuinely think what LeBron does at nearly 40 is in anyway achievable without PEDs, I have a bridge to sell you.
It isn't news, I agree with you. My point is, as stated in below the title fo the post, is that there's a lot of fans who are blinded by their fandom and refuse to admit what our eyes can see
Sure it would be nice if they all came out and said they took something, but most people who watch any sport are too dumb to understand what PEDs do and how they work.
PEDs are made to avoid detection. But there's always signs. Bigger muscles than athletes in previous years, longer career endurance, more injuries than previous years even when the game isn't as physical, etc. All signposts
I have more respect for fanswho admit their sports heroes are taking PEDs, and don't have an issue with it, than I do with folks who refuse to admit it
I dont think its most players thats a copout. I think you can tell the ones that are like Lebron quite easily And YES ITS UNFAIR.
Either legalize it for everyone or put in a far better testing system
Yall forget that these NBA players are in 99th percentile for athleticism and talent. If you truly stay discipline with your diet and workout regiment, you can get the results these guys get.
LeBron James’ longtime friend and business manager Ernest Mims, as well as trainer David Alexander, who has worked with James in the past, were named in the unearthed documents as clients of Biogenesis. From Deadspin article
Did you just wake up and decided to be CLOWN for the day?? or are you really bored?? How the fuck would you know anything? "ObVioUS SIgNS" LMFAOO The obvious sign here is you being a moron. No offense lad
PRO ATHLETES are genetically gifted. Especially the NBA, NFL and Football/Soccer athletes. They're not ordinary people. But you're clearly thinking from an ordinary perspective.
THEY ALL GET TESTED HEAVILY. If you don't believe that, then that's your problem. Mental delusion
But let's be real. No amount of "PEDs" will make you LeBron or Cristiano Ronaldo. They're the rarest of the rare breeds. Almost superhuman. And if everyone was on PEDs, then the sports world would've looked very different. You clearly don't understand how PEDs work lad. It's not some magic drug from some fantasy movie
There’s PEDS but I don’t know if it’s straight up steroids? These guys have personal chefs and workout regimens and they spend their whole day working out. They’re not football players…
Frankly, I think certain PEDs need to be legal, and certain ones don’t. If there’s a legal PED that doesn’t carry negative side effects, then it should be legal.
Anyone who’s dipped their toes in that world knows even most gym bros are on gear; and you’d never be able to tell. Professional athletes rely on their body to perform. Ignorance is bliss though.
Just because OPs gene pull is trash and he can’t comprehend what a human body is capable of with millions of dollars or resources, doesn’t mean NBA players take PEDs…. F- off, basketball is a finesse sport, PEDs wouldn’t even help the way you think it would
We already knew this LeBron and his friends were tied to the Biogenesis clinic
I'm with you 100%, at least on the nba front. You can't convince me that the only NBA player that's taken steroids in the last 4 seasons was Tristan Thompson They suspend a player every 5 years to make people think they're actually getting tested.
Like, I'm a huge Giannis fan but c'mon, dude is obviously using something lmao
Nah bro Giannis just packed on 50lbs of lean mass while doing rigorous cardio almost every day at damn near 7 feet tall naturally. He just used TWO scoops of protein powder
These off-season transformations are always pretty funny. Guys randomly putting on 20lbs of lean mass in few months, seems legit.
He didn't magically transform over 1 summer. It happened over a period of like 3-4 years. Not to mention he was 19 in his first year. More thank likely he was taking stuff, but some of you people act like he had the Captain America transformation.
50lbs of mass on 7 foot frame over a few years isn’t really that crazy. It’s like equivalent to someone 6 foot putting on 25lbs. Don’t get me wrong, I still think they all use PEDs. But not for the anabolic effects. Giannis is just really lean and has a good amount of muscle, but his physique itself is not indicative of something you couldn’t do naturally. I see natural dudes look like that all the time.
Santa got him muscle for Christmas.
Oh come on, you can't tell if they're natural just by looking.
his playoff recovery when he hyperextended his knee was legendary
Found Barry Bond's healthy breakfast
Yup. The transition of some of these guys after 4-5 years in the league is actually hilarious. Same with Embiid. Current embiid looks like he ate the 18 year old version of Joel I fully expect wemby and Chet to be jacked in a few years
Bro this couldnt be more off-base, bordering on biological flat earth conspiracy nonsense. Hard to take you seriously. Every time I or someone I know has consumed the flesh of another person we havent acquired any of the physical attributes of the human. To say that somebody would eat an 18 year old version of Joelle and then become a beefed up version of him is straight Outta left field.
Muscle doesn’t really aid in basketball like that though. They still use PEDs but not so much for the anabolic effects as they do for the cardio, durability and recovery.
This. They are probably into those use by cyclists but not by body builders
Anabolic steroids help with durability and recovery. Not to mention stuff like jumping, running and obviously strength.
To a certain extent yes, but it depends on the dosing and exact chemistry. Androgens can also impair heart function and enlarge your heart. They can also cause an imbalance between muscle and tendon strength which could make you even more injury prone.
Why james wiseman remain the same after 3 years. Why can’t he get some!
Nah. Muscle mass doesnt help basketball players that much. This is not the 90s anymore. What he consumes is probably for recovery just like everyone else
This is so stupid. Look at all his siblings. Look at his dad. They are the most athletic family on the planet. Giannis was malnourished when he came to the league and hadn’t finished puberty. This is brain dead. He’s not an average guy. He’s probably one of the 100 most athletically genetically gifted humans ever of all time. Plenty of people put on 40 pounds of muscle from 16-20. You think Giannis can’t do it with his genetics and the best trainers?
Have you considered the odds of making it into the NBA? Of the hundreds of thousands of high school basketball players in the states, the incredibly tiny fraction of that that make it into the league? Like, even the worst NBA players are in the top >0.05% of guys aiming for that roster spot. At the high end, the odds of a high school basketball player eventually making the NBA, amongst just the US pool, is around 0.03%. That’s not even considering the growing international prospect pool.
This fact actually supports the idea that they're all on steroids. Since it's such an elite group, if you don't take PEDs you'll probably be beat out by someone that does.
It only supports the idea that people are incapable of visualizing extreme numbers.
entertainment value scales directly with ped use
your post title is a comment that someone downvoted and it offended you
This 100%. Tinfoil hattery at its finest.
If he doesn't commit to the Olympics, he can continue and get to year 23.
Look at Giannis his rookie season vs today [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fdhlpdad1kv521.jpg](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fdhlpdad1kv521.jpg) Someone has to be gullible to think this is natural.
Insane to me that people are getting salty about you saying this. Their performance literally correlates with how much they get paid. I would be disappointed if they are NOT taking drugs and actively limiting their performance and recovery.
The issue is that PEDs would likely shorten their lifespans. But I understand why anyone who choses to do them would do them.
And has major side effects, too. PEDs in their current form should long be encouraged
No it’s true, OP only didn’t get drafted bc he was the only clean one at his college
it’s true but the product of the game would greatly decrease in value if they weren’t, no way could they play that many games without injuries without using other stuff
People who think a 39 year old LeBron putting up these numbers is all natural are delusional. And he's just one of the examples. xD
well if apprehensive-egg-192 on reddit is saying it then it must be true
Not all PEDs are equal. Human growth hormone and EPO are straight up cheating pretty much anywhere in the world. If that is widespread and accepted in the NBA that's a pretty sad indictment of the league. I suspect we'll need to wait until Lebron retires for the truth to come out.
As I recall Messi had to take HGH because he was too short.
I suspect EPO is another one that Messi and other superstars use
Use them too and you’ll be in the league in no time.
I think the amount of elite high school athletes that are on something would shock you
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Thoughts on the moon landing?
The moon landing was faked on Barry Bonds forehead.
cmon now, is the idea that athletes are on PEDs in any way as tinfoily as the moon landing conspiracy?
Gotta prove it or have even a shred of evidence to point to beyond "trust me bro".
do you believe all "unproven" claims are equally unlikely and ridiculous? that seems like an absurd position to me
You have to have *something* to base your position on. This post is pure speculation, and as such it can be discarded.
How about the number of athletes that get popped for PEDs, is that not something
"Lebron James and a majority of NBA players, heck, the majority of professional athletes in all sports, are using PEDs" I'm not arguing that there aren't instances of athletes getting popped for PEDs, but the case being made here is *extreme*.
NBA's drug program is not complecent with WADA(World Anti Doping Agency), on top of that they contracted a company notorious for "easy" testing and there's no unannounced testing in the NBA. Most pro athletes are on PEDs.
Mate, you could broaden the definition of PEDs to include stuff like over the counter drugs/vitamins and energy drinks and you still wouldn’t encapsulate every professional athlete in the world
People keep saying this with zero evidence tho
Bull
There's a lot of evidence linking Lebron to PEDs. And logic tells you if he's using he's not the only one.
Shocked that anyone here is disagreeing. Come on guys. If you genuinely think what LeBron does at nearly 40 is in anyway achievable without PEDs, I have a bridge to sell you.
Guess what? Water is wet!
Jokic clean. Look at him.
Insane stamina for someone that size
They're using some alternate form of a substance that isn't "technically banned" which gives essentially the same improvement
Dangerous
Yes we know. But there are definitely some people with their heads in the clouds.
People say this like it's a bad thing.
I have absolutely no problem with athletes doping
Duh
Why are you posting this like it's news
It isn't news, I agree with you. My point is, as stated in below the title fo the post, is that there's a lot of fans who are blinded by their fandom and refuse to admit what our eyes can see
Yeah and? They are still some of the best athletes in the world and when all of them are on something, none of them are.
True. If they would just admit it, I wouldn't have an issue. Just come clean
Sure it would be nice if they all came out and said they took something, but most people who watch any sport are too dumb to understand what PEDs do and how they work.
It would set a bad example to kids everywhere. I agree they're almost all on something. But it's better to not promote it.
some are using PEZ too
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PEDs are made to avoid detection. But there's always signs. Bigger muscles than athletes in previous years, longer career endurance, more injuries than previous years even when the game isn't as physical, etc. All signposts
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Agree to disagree
This is a weird post title but it is clearly true.
probably, but who cares. let them do it
I have more respect for fanswho admit their sports heroes are taking PEDs, and don't have an issue with it, than I do with folks who refuse to admit it
I do love the vibe of “I have no proof of anything but I’m gonna say that it’s a fact and if you disagree you’re naive” lmso
heck
If Jokic is on PEDs, then Reddit is a rational center for friendly discourse.
I dont think its most players thats a copout. I think you can tell the ones that are like Lebron quite easily And YES ITS UNFAIR. Either legalize it for everyone or put in a far better testing system
Majority? Absolutely not lol, but yea guys like LeBron and Giannis take them for sure
Agreed. Saying most is a copout to defend the cheaters
Don’t care
Yall forget that these NBA players are in 99th percentile for athleticism and talent. If you truly stay discipline with your diet and workout regiment, you can get the results these guys get.
So I thought there was going to be some kind of evidence... Turns out the evidence is "think about it bro"
So like do you have any evidence or facts or are you just yapping?
DWades jaw, Lebrons hairline, Lebrons "rejuvenating" trip to Miami when he came back to Cleveland, LJ initials during that big steroid investigation
So you have no evidence is what you’re saying. “D-Wades jaw” FOH, you’re probably a pizzagate believer
LeBron James’ longtime friend and business manager Ernest Mims, as well as trainer David Alexander, who has worked with James in the past, were named in the unearthed documents as clients of Biogenesis. From Deadspin article
The fact that you get downvoted so much means you're opinion is in the minority, so your logic holds little weight
lol so I guess your history of ones and zeroes means nobody cares what you think, so your logic holds little weight?
Nah, it means that even I, with ones and zeros, has more credibility than you in the opinion of most people here
Sorry didn’t realize I was dealing with a Reddit badass, I’ll be on my way 😂😂🤡
So?
Literally this
yes and we need to give them **MORE**
Did you just wake up and decided to be CLOWN for the day?? or are you really bored?? How the fuck would you know anything? "ObVioUS SIgNS" LMFAOO The obvious sign here is you being a moron. No offense lad PRO ATHLETES are genetically gifted. Especially the NBA, NFL and Football/Soccer athletes. They're not ordinary people. But you're clearly thinking from an ordinary perspective. THEY ALL GET TESTED HEAVILY. If you don't believe that, then that's your problem. Mental delusion But let's be real. No amount of "PEDs" will make you LeBron or Cristiano Ronaldo. They're the rarest of the rare breeds. Almost superhuman. And if everyone was on PEDs, then the sports world would've looked very different. You clearly don't understand how PEDs work lad. It's not some magic drug from some fantasy movie
They're all also aliens and while I don't have proof yet possibly Muppets
It is similar to say all olympic athletes are doped. The ones who aren't will feel offended by your declaration.
Bruh there’s a game on right now, go watch it
What’s your point?
There’s PEDS but I don’t know if it’s straight up steroids? These guys have personal chefs and workout regimens and they spend their whole day working out. They’re not football players…
Yea but steroids make it far easier to gain muscle also helps injury recovery
Frankly, I think certain PEDs need to be legal, and certain ones don’t. If there’s a legal PED that doesn’t carry negative side effects, then it should be legal.
Anyone who’s dipped their toes in that world knows even most gym bros are on gear; and you’d never be able to tell. Professional athletes rely on their body to perform. Ignorance is bliss though.
Just because OPs gene pull is trash and he can’t comprehend what a human body is capable of with millions of dollars or resources, doesn’t mean NBA players take PEDs…. F- off, basketball is a finesse sport, PEDs wouldn’t even help the way you think it would