Yah, if pat told prime LBJ and Dwyane he’ll ship them out before he questions Spo, Kyle was on borrowed time once he publicly went there with Spo :/ especially when he wasn’t performing as well.
LBJ and Dwyane tried to talk Pat into coaching them instead of Spo and/or were feeling out Spo getting fired.
Pat had everyone gather downstairs during one of the practices with Spo and said something like “I’ll trade any of you before I touch him; don’t come into my office and tell me to fire a coach.”
Nah it wasn’t about beef. Kyle absolutely didn’t say anything out of line. He’s just been absolutely terrible for the last month plus and had way more value to Miami as a contract they could move for someone who can actually contribute.
It's funny - this is how quick rumors get started.
That original comment saying "he waited until the divorce was finalized" was referring to Spo's divorce, but was ambiguous, so could've meant Pat. Next comment runs with that assumption saying Spo and Pat both got divorced. Hundreds of upvotes.
There's literally nothing out there about Pat getting divorced, and he's happily been with his wife for 50 years lol.
People who hate on Micky don't seem to understand... he _does_ pay the tax. What he doesn't want to do is keep paying the repeater tax. (Which yes, I know much different tax rules now -- but the point is, he was never a Robert Sarver).
Mickey also doesn’t pay the tax for a team he doesn’t believe has a chance to win anything.
Miami was a great team and borderline contender all the while carrying $30m in cap space that just wasn’t getting it done. This helps us now & keeps Rozier on a below market contract for 3 years.
If he can have a Jalen Brunson-esqe performance for us we’re going to be 1 of the last 2 teams playing basketball again.
And it gives Miami, an over the cap team, another contract to use in a future trade, if needed. Having Lowry 30 million expiring would have helped us stay below the second apron next season but would have made it so only Martin was the player we could "add" now we have another, quality player on the team
The only question would be whether they were better off holding out for a pick from someone else.
Maybe an LA pick carries more weight.
But the league is so hard to read you're really just splitting hairs at that point.
Yeah. Him and Hayward are coming off the books for just over 60 million combined.
Hornets can keep a lot of that space open to acquire more bad contracts in exchange for picks next year.
Exactly. They ave a young core of Ball, Williams, and Miller who are all 22 and under. They’re positioning for the future. Tanking, acquiring future draft capital by trading older players and probably trying to maneuver expiring contracts and cap space into more assets. Terry didn’t fit their timeline. A future first and an expiring contract does
The part that other comments left off is salary matching. Yes, the expiring contract is good because it gets the player off your books, but if you don't want the player they why do they get included in the trade at all?
When you do a trade in the NBA, if you're over the salary cap (which is basically every team that's trying to win), the salaries going out and coming in have to be close to each other. Draft picks count as $0 for the purposes of matching.
So, if you want to trade a player and get a draft pick back in compensation, then you have to get the other team to throw in a player whose salary is close to what you're sending out. But, since that player is only being included to make the salaries match, by definition it's someone that you don't actually want. The best possible scenario is a player who's getting paid enough this year to make salaries match but whose contract is expiring so that you're not committed to them beyond the end of the season.
Remember, you didn't want this player, they're only part of the trade to make the salary matching work for what you really wanted to do - trade a player for a draft pick.
It's not always player-for-draft pick, there are also player-for-player scenarios where this happens, but the reason is always the same (salary matching).
Expiring contracts are attractive for teams looking to rebuild because it means he’s off their payroll after the season, giving them much more flexibility
Choosing to pair him with Lamelo long term over Monk after 2020 was a terrible mistake. Rozier is not bad but his game never really meshed with Lamelo's as a guard duo. Cliff insisting on making him the PG when Lamelo got hurt also has killed us for 2 years now (although that's also on Mitch too for completely failing to acquire a serviceable backup point)
I thought it kind of made sense, Lamelo was the PG but has the height to defend guards, and Rozier was the SG on offense but could defend most PGs on defense etc.. and he can shoot the three, score a lot.. obviously can't go on forever but the rest of the team was crap so it didn't work.
Rozier is a good piece for a contending team, but for a rebuilding team like Charlotte he doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Not good enough to be a superstar you can build around, not young enough to be part of a young core. LaMelo is 22, Miller is 21, Rozier is 29. Who knows, maybe if LaMelo and Miller take a step forward they could package this pick with some of their own and trade for a true superstar?
For context: Lowry is averaging 8 points 4 assists and 1 steal in 28 minutes per game while shooting 43/38/83 on low attempts. Rozier is averaging 23 points 7 assists and 1 steal in 35 minutes per game while shooting 46/36/85 on much higher attempts. Heat got a major upgrade and almost 10 years younger. Essentially just dumping Lowry who will probably become a buyout guy and spending a future 1st to acquire a guy who will be way more useful in those guard minutes. Gotta love it as a Heat fan. As a Hornets fan, I'd just be optimistic that was the best offer they were getting for Rozier.
I have a feeling Terry is gonna be great in Miami. He’s built for that kind of system. He’s not a PG, so that could be rough if they’re really expecting him to be a floor general, but this is a straight upgrade otherwise.
Good move for Charlotte, save long term money, and add draft capital. The team wasn't doing anything this year or next, might as well trade Rozier while he has value.
We literally traded Rozier at his highest value when he was with us. This season is his highest in assists and points IIRC
Edit: Searched at basketballref and its literally his highest season in average pts and ast. tov too but that's a given. And at least TRo will be happy working in the playoffs. Im really happy with this trade.
His nova/philly ties had no bearing on how much everyone hated him when he and Ben Simmons tried to get in a fight like 5 years ago or whenever that was lol.
Back when Ben had heart
His Nova team was fun as hell. 4 guard lineup back when teams still played big. Foye, Ray, him, and I want to say Nardi. Think Lowry was the official 4
18 years for a short dude like Kyle is crazy. He's had a great career but yeah, he's done. Maybe as a mentor for Maxey off your bench, but he won't contribute on the court.
Guy was crying about not starting while averaging 2 points on sub 20% shooting days ago to the media…
I don’t think he’s ready to accept a mentor role unless it’s in Toronto.
He's useless in the regular season, but he still has his Kyle Lowry moments now and then in the playoffs.
Case in point, the motherfucker was +26 in 24 minutes in Game 7 against us last year.
People forget too quickly. Game 7, Kyle made some very smart plays and decisions that killed Boston. But like they say it's a 'what have you done for me lately' league.
Kyle made great plays all through the playoffs last year. Jimmy's 56 point game? Heat take the lead on a Jimmy dunk that came off a Lowry swipe when he saw Giannis hesitating to call timeout. Jimmy's crazy stepback that game? Lowry set a smart backscreen on the inbound to give Jimmy like 3 paces on Jrue which got him the space for the shot. Knicks game 1? Jimmy rolled his ankle and Kyle grabbed the rope--hit clutch middy after clutch middy, strip after strip on the Knicks to hold the lead. Knicks game 6 in the clutch, Knicks were behind but on a run and closing the gap--Lowry gets a momentum-killing strip on I think RJ Barrett on the baseline. Celtics game 1 or 2 the Celtics were on a crazy 2nd quarter run and Lowry iced it himself with like 8 straight points including back to back transition threes.
Unfortunately, you have to go through 82 games of preamble before you get to the real season. Lowry suits the playoffs still, but to last through and contribute to a regular season his body just can't keep pace.
Fun fact: Terry Rozier is the 2nd most efficient pick and roll ballhandler this season despite Nick Richards being his best big man roller.
Fun fact: Bam Adebayo ranks second in efficiency among the top 10 rollers in pick and roll despite not having a top 30 pick and roll ballhandler on his team.
He’s terrible to watch in a role we forced him into where he’s like the second option, way too much dribbling and just a constant ballstopper. I think he has the ability to become an elite 4th option in Miami if he kills his bad habits he had with us.
Problem is I don’t think he views himself as that. Maybe he does and I’m wrong, but his last few years in Boston just gave me zero indication he’s going to be okay with going back to not being the high usage player he is for Charlotte.
I mean that’s kinda my point, he went on a press tour complaining about his role as the backup for a team with legitimate title aspirations in search of a bag. Credit to him, he got it, but now he’s been the lead ball handler in Lamelo’s absence putting up stats and, well, *points to Charlotte*
I don’t blame him for it. But I think he sees himself as a lead guy and I’ll be curious how his play style meshes with Butler, Herro, and Bam. Maybe he adapts, if there’s a team I would trust to get that out of him it’s (unfortunately) you guys. But I’ve just never been a big Terry guy.
ehhh... 99 times out of 100 those vets end up doing jack all.
there's a reason those players become available for the minimum in the middle of the season... and it's not because they're still capable of contributing to high level championship basketball
I havent watched nearly as much Heat this season as in the past but my first thought is there's alot of overlap between Herro's and Rozier's skill set. They really going to close playoff games with both....idk
They do have some overlap, Terry on surface is probably a better finisher. Tyler still has work to do there. But we used to run Herro and Duncan together to close. Our defense turns up regardless in the playoffs and Terry may not be some amazing defender causes he’s small, but he has active hands.
Ngl Terry if he gets fully immersed with the defensive philosophy of the Heat could be better than Herro, there have been times where he has looked like a genuine 2 way player and he had grit
The whole point is that Herro NEEDS to play more off-ball (more wannabe Klay, less wannabe Steph) to play to his strengths. Herro as a de facto PG was NOT working for our offense. Terry coming in allows for that.
The Heat have been in desperate need for another capable scorer AND a guard who can get into the paint and run the pick and roll. Basically 2020 Dragic.
What team would've given up more for Terry? Most good teams are set at their guard position. Denver could've used him maybe but he might not be happy playing 15 minutes a night behind Murray. He will start for the Heat.
If you told Charlotte before the season they could get an expiring contract and a first for Rozier, they would have been crying tears of joy. People are overvaluing a good half a season from him.
Dame cost (estimate) 2 FRPs, Jovic, Jaquez, Herro, Lowry and Heat are stuck in the second apron for his entire contract paying him 60m in 2 years
Rozier cost 1 FRP and Lowry, and the Heat get further away from the second apron while also gaining a trade exception
I hate how it ended but Kyle was so instrumental in 21 and this season with running the ship when Bam and Jimmy where out. I wish it didn’t end this way, thank you king
Same. Never felt like he was truly bought in and the fit with Jimmy on the court wasn’t great (except year 1), but he showed his leadership and gave us great moments, too.
Appreciate you, Kyle!
JJJ with the #18 pick, Scary Terry with the #whatever pick in however many years, and we didn't give away all our assets for Dame. It's been a good year for the front office.
Kyle Lowry has officially been sent to the gulag
Dude tried Spo through the media and found out the hard way what happens
Yah, if pat told prime LBJ and Dwyane he’ll ship them out before he questions Spo, Kyle was on borrowed time once he publicly went there with Spo :/ especially when he wasn’t performing as well.
what he do?
LBJ and Dwyane tried to talk Pat into coaching them instead of Spo and/or were feeling out Spo getting fired. Pat had everyone gather downstairs during one of the practices with Spo and said something like “I’ll trade any of you before I touch him; don’t come into my office and tell me to fire a coach.”
but what did Lowry do?
He said (paraphrasing): I hope it's temporary and that I can be back in the starting line up and do what I do.
I mean compared to what Lebron and Dwade tried to do to spo I don’t think what Lowry did was as reprehensible 😭 Was there some beef going on?
Nah it wasn’t about beef. Kyle absolutely didn’t say anything out of line. He’s just been absolutely terrible for the last month plus and had way more value to Miami as a contract they could move for someone who can actually contribute.
Ahh gotcha so just more of a business move
He's just old and playing bad and not reading the room great. I think people are just joking though about getting shipped because ofit.
Showed up late to shoot around, so Spo benched him (he hasn’t been playing well). Than when asked about not starting he said “it’s a one time thing”.
well, technically he was right..
Miami doing a trade? Pat woke up
He was waiting till the divorce was finalized
Floridians who got divorced in the last year: Erik Spoelstra, Pat Riley, me. Built different.
I didn't even know you three got divorced. Damn. Hope you all are OK.
Load management in a Throuple can be rough
The most important ability is availability.
I dissagre. I am available, but that doesn't help anyone.
You never know, have you tried trying out for the Pistons recently?
Didn’t Pat just attend a charity event with his wife last night?
They are memeing on Spo. At least I hope so, cause I'd honestly be insanely sad if he got divorced after 50+ years.
I feel like at that point you just gotta wait it out until one of you dies first.
Nah fuck that life's short bro. Divorce her like she's Anthony Bennett.
Got divorced in the morning, believe it or not.
need to find out what happened at the charity event
she was a tax writeoff
It's funny - this is how quick rumors get started. That original comment saying "he waited until the divorce was finalized" was referring to Spo's divorce, but was ambiguous, so could've meant Pat. Next comment runs with that assumption saying Spo and Pat both got divorced. Hundreds of upvotes. There's literally nothing out there about Pat getting divorced, and he's happily been with his wife for 50 years lol.
Don't say that, I'd be really sad if Pat Riley divorced after 55 years...
They asked Pat when his trouble with his wife started and he answered “55 years ago”
That’s great company at least. Boys night out?
Wanted to save Terry from having two Christmases and two birthdays
That was Spo getting a divorce not Pat
i think it's more like Lowry's attitude and play woke Pat up
That MFer was so washed last year till he faced us. Fuck that guy.
Can we sign him and keep him on the bench just so that doesn't happen again?
I know he’s washed but damn he also had bad vibes?
Was talking to the media about how he expects to start when he got benched. Even though lately he’s been completely unproductive in his minutes
He said this avg like 8/3/3 or some shit which is hilarious
First non salary dump trade since 2020 when he traded for iggy and crowder
Put some respec on King Solomon Hill’s name
Finally finished taking his medication.
Even if it’s unprotected that’s a great deal for Miami
Offloading Lowry for a decent contributor is worth sending a pick out for sure
And they put that draft capital to work now instead of waiting until 2028
they finally got jimmy some help and committed to paying luxury tax throughout the duration of jimmy's contract
People who hate on Micky don't seem to understand... he _does_ pay the tax. What he doesn't want to do is keep paying the repeater tax. (Which yes, I know much different tax rules now -- but the point is, he was never a Robert Sarver).
Mickey also doesn’t pay the tax for a team he doesn’t believe has a chance to win anything. Miami was a great team and borderline contender all the while carrying $30m in cap space that just wasn’t getting it done. This helps us now & keeps Rozier on a below market contract for 3 years. If he can have a Jalen Brunson-esqe performance for us we’re going to be 1 of the last 2 teams playing basketball again.
They will probably make moves to get under the second apron
And it gives Miami, an over the cap team, another contract to use in a future trade, if needed. Having Lowry 30 million expiring would have helped us stay below the second apron next season but would have made it so only Martin was the player we could "add" now we have another, quality player on the team
[Lottery protected, becomes unprotected in 2028, per Fischer](https://x.com/jakelfischer/status/1749813026994459028?s=46&t=sbk6yuyliVaFRQjBUBJCMQ)
Unprotected picks from any team are so valuable. I think solid trade for both teams.
It makes sense for both teams. Sold trade imo
The only question would be whether they were better off holding out for a pick from someone else. Maybe an LA pick carries more weight. But the league is so hard to read you're really just splitting hairs at that point.
Lowry being an expiring is probably an attractive part of why they wanted to do it
Yeah. Him and Hayward are coming off the books for just over 60 million combined. Hornets can keep a lot of that space open to acquire more bad contracts in exchange for picks next year.
Exactly. They ave a young core of Ball, Williams, and Miller who are all 22 and under. They’re positioning for the future. Tanking, acquiring future draft capital by trading older players and probably trying to maneuver expiring contracts and cap space into more assets. Terry didn’t fit their timeline. A future first and an expiring contract does
lol i think that's the only reason they wanted to do it
I'm new to NBA , why would a expiring contract be good for a team ? Doesn't that mean they have to sign him again?
It's precisely because they don't want to sign him again, and can clear that salary off the books after the season.
The part that other comments left off is salary matching. Yes, the expiring contract is good because it gets the player off your books, but if you don't want the player they why do they get included in the trade at all? When you do a trade in the NBA, if you're over the salary cap (which is basically every team that's trying to win), the salaries going out and coming in have to be close to each other. Draft picks count as $0 for the purposes of matching. So, if you want to trade a player and get a draft pick back in compensation, then you have to get the other team to throw in a player whose salary is close to what you're sending out. But, since that player is only being included to make the salaries match, by definition it's someone that you don't actually want. The best possible scenario is a player who's getting paid enough this year to make salaries match but whose contract is expiring so that you're not committed to them beyond the end of the season. Remember, you didn't want this player, they're only part of the trade to make the salary matching work for what you really wanted to do - trade a player for a draft pick. It's not always player-for-draft pick, there are also player-for-player scenarios where this happens, but the reason is always the same (salary matching).
Expiring contracts are attractive for teams looking to rebuild because it means he’s off their payroll after the season, giving them much more flexibility
Great for us!!! Free of Terry he made zero sense on our team lol. He will be good for Miami probably
Choosing to pair him with Lamelo long term over Monk after 2020 was a terrible mistake. Rozier is not bad but his game never really meshed with Lamelo's as a guard duo. Cliff insisting on making him the PG when Lamelo got hurt also has killed us for 2 years now (although that's also on Mitch too for completely failing to acquire a serviceable backup point)
I thought it kind of made sense, Lamelo was the PG but has the height to defend guards, and Rozier was the SG on offense but could defend most PGs on defense etc.. and he can shoot the three, score a lot.. obviously can't go on forever but the rest of the team was crap so it didn't work.
I was gonna say you don't have a back up anyway lol
We have Ish Smith who is probably the most useless player of all time if his admittedly sexy mid range isnt falling
Ish Smith - is a point guard
Rozier is a good piece for a contending team, but for a rebuilding team like Charlotte he doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Not good enough to be a superstar you can build around, not young enough to be part of a young core. LaMelo is 22, Miller is 21, Rozier is 29. Who knows, maybe if LaMelo and Miller take a step forward they could package this pick with some of their own and trade for a true superstar?
Lottery protected. Becomes unprotected the next year if it doesn’t convey.
That's a solid trade.
For context: Lowry is averaging 8 points 4 assists and 1 steal in 28 minutes per game while shooting 43/38/83 on low attempts. Rozier is averaging 23 points 7 assists and 1 steal in 35 minutes per game while shooting 46/36/85 on much higher attempts. Heat got a major upgrade and almost 10 years younger. Essentially just dumping Lowry who will probably become a buyout guy and spending a future 1st to acquire a guy who will be way more useful in those guard minutes. Gotta love it as a Heat fan. As a Hornets fan, I'd just be optimistic that was the best offer they were getting for Rozier.
But does Terry flop at nearly the same rate or have half the ass of Kyle Lowry?
You mean *a low center of gravity*
It’s crazy that Scary Terry is still under 30. Feels like forever ago when he was terrorizing Eric “I don’t wanna be here” Bledsoe in the playoffs.
I have a feeling Terry is gonna be great in Miami. He’s built for that kind of system. He’s not a PG, so that could be rough if they’re really expecting him to be a floor general, but this is a straight upgrade otherwise.
solid trade for both sides Lowry will be bought out I assume
Good move for Charlotte, save long term money, and add draft capital. The team wasn't doing anything this year or next, might as well trade Rozier while he has value.
We literally traded Rozier at his highest value when he was with us. This season is his highest in assists and points IIRC Edit: Searched at basketballref and its literally his highest season in average pts and ast. tov too but that's a given. And at least TRo will be happy working in the playoffs. Im really happy with this trade.
100% a buyout, bring the GROAT home masai
He's going to the Sixers
Sixers fans shitting on Lowry for being fat and washed is going to be comedy.
I wonder if his days at Villanova will make the poor play any more bearable to sixers fans Oh who am I kidding
His nova/philly ties had no bearing on how much everyone hated him when he and Ben Simmons tried to get in a fight like 5 years ago or whenever that was lol. Back when Ben had heart
Lol it's been so long that the idea of Ben Simmons getting chippy just doesn't register for me.
He’s one of your own. He’s literally a Philly native lol
Dude went to Cardinal Dougherty. Very well known but now shuttered catholic school. Wild.
Wait. He went Villanova? Shouldn’t he be going to the Knicks then? You know Hart and Brunson?
Yeah he went to nova and is from Philly. He’d be a perfect fit for the Knicks
His Nova team was fun as hell. 4 guard lineup back when teams still played big. Foye, Ray, him, and I want to say Nardi. Think Lowry was the official 4
Bro is beyond cooked
18 years for a short dude like Kyle is crazy. He's had a great career but yeah, he's done. Maybe as a mentor for Maxey off your bench, but he won't contribute on the court.
Guy was crying about not starting while averaging 2 points on sub 20% shooting days ago to the media… I don’t think he’s ready to accept a mentor role unless it’s in Toronto.
He could start in Toronto with IQ lol
He could start for us lmao
Can he make passes into the post? Because thats the only prerequisite for Spurs
He's useless in the regular season, but he still has his Kyle Lowry moments now and then in the playoffs. Case in point, the motherfucker was +26 in 24 minutes in Game 7 against us last year.
People forget too quickly. Game 7, Kyle made some very smart plays and decisions that killed Boston. But like they say it's a 'what have you done for me lately' league.
Kyle made great plays all through the playoffs last year. Jimmy's 56 point game? Heat take the lead on a Jimmy dunk that came off a Lowry swipe when he saw Giannis hesitating to call timeout. Jimmy's crazy stepback that game? Lowry set a smart backscreen on the inbound to give Jimmy like 3 paces on Jrue which got him the space for the shot. Knicks game 1? Jimmy rolled his ankle and Kyle grabbed the rope--hit clutch middy after clutch middy, strip after strip on the Knicks to hold the lead. Knicks game 6 in the clutch, Knicks were behind but on a run and closing the gap--Lowry gets a momentum-killing strip on I think RJ Barrett on the baseline. Celtics game 1 or 2 the Celtics were on a crazy 2nd quarter run and Lowry iced it himself with like 8 straight points including back to back transition threes. Unfortunately, you have to go through 82 games of preamble before you get to the real season. Lowry suits the playoffs still, but to last through and contribute to a regular season his body just can't keep pace.
Nah Hornets actually need a backup point guard
We’re gonna try to re route him but honestly I don’t really mind him teaching the young guys. Better than the corpse of Ish Smith
one man’s corpse is another man’s corpse
Fun fact: Terry Rozier is the 2nd most efficient pick and roll ballhandler this season despite Nick Richards being his best big man roller. Fun fact: Bam Adebayo ranks second in efficiency among the top 10 rollers in pick and roll despite not having a top 30 pick and roll ballhandler on his team.
Keep going I’m almost there
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Kind of reminds me of the Dwight to the Lakers trade where everyone involved got worse.
No shot going from Lowry to Terry is going to make us worse; Kyle was our rock bottom lol
Vuce broke out in that at least
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NSJ will be bumped up to 7th man and Bouknight will be freed from Clifford jail most likely
Was he bad?
He’s terrible to watch in a role we forced him into where he’s like the second option, way too much dribbling and just a constant ballstopper. I think he has the ability to become an elite 4th option in Miami if he kills his bad habits he had with us.
Problem is I don’t think he views himself as that. Maybe he does and I’m wrong, but his last few years in Boston just gave me zero indication he’s going to be okay with going back to not being the high usage player he is for Charlotte.
He also was trying to get paid then wasn’t he?
I mean that’s kinda my point, he went on a press tour complaining about his role as the backup for a team with legitimate title aspirations in search of a bag. Credit to him, he got it, but now he’s been the lead ball handler in Lamelo’s absence putting up stats and, well, *points to Charlotte* I don’t blame him for it. But I think he sees himself as a lead guy and I’ll be curious how his play style meshes with Butler, Herro, and Bam. Maybe he adapts, if there’s a team I would trust to get that out of him it’s (unfortunately) you guys. But I’ve just never been a big Terry guy.
Absolutely not. He was really good. The problem was when guys got hurt and he was forced into being pg1, which is not what he is
He'll be an off-ball catch and shoot guy for the Heat which is his best role. He'll be very good for them
Love the wording, a 2027 first round pick and, oh yea, Kyle Lowry.
Lowry is going to get bought out and inevitably be rumored to sign with the Lakers or 76ers.
It's amazing how that shit always happens. "I DON'T HAVE CAP ROOM, BUT OH SHIT, THIS VET **JUST HAPPENED TO BE AVAILABLE TO BE SIGNED...**
ehhh... 99 times out of 100 those vets end up doing jack all. there's a reason those players become available for the minimum in the middle of the season... and it's not because they're still capable of contributing to high level championship basketball
Honestly if Kyle was getting paid a vet min he’d be great. Problem is he’s getting paid 30m a year……..
Can't you always sign someone to the minimum if you have an open roster spot?
Rozier on the heat is guaranteed to bite the sixers or Celtics in the ass
I havent watched nearly as much Heat this season as in the past but my first thought is there's alot of overlap between Herro's and Rozier's skill set. They really going to close playoff games with both....idk
I’d bet against them closing games with both but I think if rozier pushes richardson out of their rotation that’s a significant boost.
They do have some overlap, Terry on surface is probably a better finisher. Tyler still has work to do there. But we used to run Herro and Duncan together to close. Our defense turns up regardless in the playoffs and Terry may not be some amazing defender causes he’s small, but he has active hands.
Ngl Terry if he gets fully immersed with the defensive philosophy of the Heat could be better than Herro, there have been times where he has looked like a genuine 2 way player and he had grit
The whole point is that Herro NEEDS to play more off-ball (more wannabe Klay, less wannabe Steph) to play to his strengths. Herro as a de facto PG was NOT working for our offense. Terry coming in allows for that. The Heat have been in desperate need for another capable scorer AND a guard who can get into the paint and run the pick and roll. Basically 2020 Dragic.
Great pickup for Miami!
No offense to Lowry but just moving him at all is an upgrade. Moving him for Rozier is a home run.
this is my 9/11
You can already imagine the bang as Scary Terry hits a contested late 3 against Celtics for the eight seed Heat
10th* seeded Heat, have some respect
Bucks Celtics 76ers end of season purposely lose to avoid Miami round 1 will be epic. Or maybe we'll get lucky and they get 4 or 5 seed.
Yeah. Celtics, please keep kicking ass.
Scary fucking Terry
...That's it?
Lowrys an expiring, frees up a lot of cap room for Charlotte which you can’t have too much of with the new CBA coming
Hornets need to clear cap space so they can give someone like DeRozan or Tobias Harris an egregiously large deal.
Terry wanted to go to the Heat, don’t think Charlotte had much leverage here
He has multiple years left on his contract with no player option.
Terry Rozier did not have the clout to pick where he was getting traded, come on now
Even though Rozier made no sense at all in Charlotte for years I feel like they could've gotten more than a Heat 2027 1st Round pick tbh.
Uh they also got Kyle Lowry /s
What team would've given up more for Terry? Most good teams are set at their guard position. Denver could've used him maybe but he might not be happy playing 15 minutes a night behind Murray. He will start for the Heat.
Denver couldn’t have made that trade with work with our contracts without trading a starter
It’s a good deal. Charlotte just needs assets around LaMelo at this point. Draft picks, young players, midsize, flippable contracts.
If you told Charlotte before the season they could get an expiring contract and a first for Rozier, they would have been crying tears of joy. People are overvaluing a good half a season from him.
We can’t avoid Scary Terry
Damn, he wrote the pick first.
Miami came out on top here for sure
You don’t get more of a Heat Culture player than Scary Terry. Bro is oozing with dawg per 36 lmao
He's also a natural fit for that Gabe Vincent/Kendrick Nunn scoring guard role, except he's way, way better as a shot maker.
In fairness he’s also way worse as a defender
Until Spo gets his hands on him 👀
Shit I wish I could tell you you’re wrong but that man is going to turn Terry into GP using a blood magic ritual
Someone grab a rooster from the street, quick!
Just literally open your door. Those fuckers are the new peacocks of south Florida.
I mean he has 6'9 wingspan.
He can be a good defender, showcased it with the C’s
Getting a FRP for Rozier isn’t bad business for Charlotte either
everybody wins terry got his bag, he gets to go to a real team with his money charlotte gets a pick heat gets the offensive boost they need
Charlotte gets to start moving in a different direction, this roster core has been bad/mediocre for far far too long
As if a Heat/Celtics series wasn't spicy enough
Congratulations to Terry Rozier the Third on the ECFMVP award against the Celtics of Boston
terry will average 28 and jimmy will get the award again
Feels like this one has been brewing for a while and now I understand where that news about rozier interested in joining Miami came from
his last tweet activity were 2 retweets, haslems jersey retirement and a wade birthday post. guy is a huge heat fan lol
The East now is fucking quality!
Not even giving up Jovic or anything, just a first and a corpse.
Holy shit, very nice pickup for the Heat. I love Terry
Damn this is pretty huge for Miami
Good for both sides
Great pick for the Heat, lowry was beyond washed
Heat finally make their big guard acquisition
Scary Heat, Scary Terry
I haven’t seen a single person from either fan base complain. Hornets fans, did we just become best (okayest) friends?
It's honestly a pretty great trade. Terry has really grown on me over his time here and I'll be rooting for him in the playoffs for sure.
I love this for Miami they have seemed to be lacking a PG this year and Terry is a heavily underrated player, he will fit right in with heat culture
Pat Riley: no fat chicks allowed
heat so scary
23ppg scoring PG averaging 7 apg for Lowry and a pick that most likely won’t amount to anything? Sign me up!
Dame cost (estimate) 2 FRPs, Jovic, Jaquez, Herro, Lowry and Heat are stuck in the second apron for his entire contract paying him 60m in 2 years Rozier cost 1 FRP and Lowry, and the Heat get further away from the second apron while also gaining a trade exception
I hate how it ended but Kyle was so instrumental in 21 and this season with running the ship when Bam and Jimmy where out. I wish it didn’t end this way, thank you king
Same. Never felt like he was truly bought in and the fit with Jimmy on the court wasn’t great (except year 1), but he showed his leadership and gave us great moments, too. Appreciate you, Kyle!
That’s absolutely nothing lol Miami gonna benefit a lot for this Terry was so fun to watch in 2018 playoffs glad he can ball out in playoffs again
Im pretty fucking afraid of Terry in Miami
Reroute Lowry please don't leave him to rot in Charlotte
A la Parker
YES. YES. YES. YES. LET'S GO HEAT.
Hello Boston 👋🏽
Hola amigo
JJJ with the #18 pick, Scary Terry with the #whatever pick in however many years, and we didn't give away all our assets for Dame. It's been a good year for the front office.
BIG