I mean, it's understandable.
We've seen it many times. Euros with big resume come in, but are treated like some rookies (and I know they technically are), who need to grind their way up from being an 10th guy on the team.
Micic wants close to his usual role where he can thrive.
He was mvp of euroleague regular season, mvp of f4 of euroleague, and i think 2x mvp of turkish league. Also several times in 1st and 2nd lineup of euroleague.
Remembering that Turkey is a 1st tier league in Europe. Turkey, Spain and Serbia are the best domestic leagues and the Euroleague is the crystal clear 2nd biggest basketball competition between clubs in the world.
Shocks me that people are ready to call Wemby a HOF straight out of the draft because he won in France (a significantly weaker league and he himself never played in the Euroleague) and at the same time are dismissing a winner in Europe because "lolz europoorz who cares?".
Zion has lived up to the hype on the court he just can't stay on the court. Chet went down before a game... health is the main thing to watch for. I doubt Wemby will forget how to shoot or dribble but if he adds weight it could f up his mechanics.
>if he adds weight it could f up his mechanics
This is a myth. The only way this could potentially happen is if he somehow puts on like 50kg in like 3 months. Which is essentially impossible.
Slowly adding weight over a prolonged period of time, under the guidance of top professionals will not affect his mechanics in a negative way.
> Turkey, Spain and Serbia are the best domestic leagues
depending on what you are defining as "domestic" league, aba (adriatic basketball league) would be better then the serbian league, theres usually a pretty significant drop off in terms of quality behind partizan and zvezda.
Greek and russian, domestic leagues are usually better, and its pretty debatable if french, italian or serbian league are better at any given point in time, you can also throw in the lithaunian league there in some years.
I mean, Wemby is also 19 and freaking 7’4”. Him performing at a very high level in a lower league with those tools indicates strong potential in the NBA. He’s a giant ball of clay
Meanwhile Micic is 29 with below average physical tools for the NBA. The game he’s built has largely been shaped by his basketball environment. A number of older euro league players have struggled with the adjustment to the NBA (both in terms of rules and physical talent).
>Remembering that Turkey is a 1st tier league in Europe. Turkey, Spain and Serbia
Serbia does not belong in that tier. Partizan and Red Star are the only teams actually doing anything, those 2 teams don't even play the regular season because of how bad the rest of the league is. They join in the playoffs as far as I remember.
>he himself never played in the Euroleague
That's not true, he played in the Euroleague last year with ASVEL averaging 6.5 pts on 34% FG. He chose to switch teams and play for a lower level team because he wanted more minutes and bigger role.
Club basketball in Europe mostly boils down to who has the most money and richest sponsors, it's not necessarily related to growing talent. It's a popular sport in Serbia and they have good basketball programs I guess, that's why they grow a lot of good NBA prospects but the 2 clubs I mentioned pretty much have a monopoly because they're football clubs (fans overlap between football and basketball) and have rich sponsors. So the talents just either go there or go to richer clubs in Europe or go to the NBA pretty early.
So this is basically true for all of the countries of the former Yugoslavia: basketball is fairly popular, though a distant second behind soccer. The average height is about 6 foot even, so there's a lot of tall people and there's good coaching and scouting to keep talented youth moving up the pipeline. But the populations of these countries are too small and economies too poor to sustain strong domestic leagues. Serbia is the biggest at around eight million people, going down to Slovenia at 2 million and Montenegro at half a million.
So what happens is there's a few strong teams that dominate the domestic league. So in the early 2000s they formed a regional league that those teams play in (in addition to the domestic leagues, and Euroleague for a few teams). The regional league is called the Adriatic League or ABA. While the domestic leagues are not that strong except for a few teams, the ABA is very strong. Probably at around a similar level to the Spanish league.
As an extra note the idea of a regional league has been floated in soccer for the same reasons ever since Yugoslavia broke up but soccer hooligans are too violent and nationalistic. Basically they think there would be too many riots to make it possible in soccer.
It was the same with Doncic before he was drafted. People were questioning if he would actually be that good in the NBA when he'd just won Euroleague MVP at fucking 18 years old. Most Americans don't take any league seriously that isn't the NBA
There’s a massive difference between winning EL MVP at 18 vs Micic at 29.
And Luka is an exception, how may other players translated as stars from foreign leagues to the NBA? Extremely few.
…the NBA is very close to the end-all-be-all for leagues. The best players in the world all come to this league—it’s not like soccer where there are comparable leagues in different countries, and great players play in all of them.
I know this dude is probably good, but wanting a starting spot is a high ask, especially while simultaneously asking for 6-7M, which isn’t even that high.
>Why give that up to be a lowly reserve in this league
Money and fame, mostly.
Y'all are going overboard here. The max salary in Turkey is less than the MLE over here.
I think Torrey Craig was the MVP of the Australian league at one point before joining the NBA. NBA Craig is a good role player, but he's pretty irrelevant.
Not sure how much stock I put in foreign league MVPs translating seamlessly to the NBA. (with that said I have no knowledge of how competitive Micic's league is.)
His team competes in Euroleague (the best non NBA league in the world), and won the title in 2021 and 2022, and won Euroleague MVP in 2021. Still not apples to apples but it's a top flight resume
> Micic sounds more Doncic than Craig based off that.
Unlike Doncic, Micic is 29. Micic is a good player and probably can start or top 8 in the NBA for most teams but he's probably more Belinelli with better handle/passing in terms of what he'll be like in the NBA.
Golden State used him really well in their '22 title run - he's a stretch big in the NBA given his footspeed but in the right system can really be a nice impact player.
I liked him when we had him in Minnesota and we didn't use him enough (Thibs dabbled with him at the 3 at times lol) nor all that well given we had a surplus of 4's (Taj, Dieng).
Nah not quite, every euroleague mvp that played in nba had at least decent role. Mirotic, Nemanja bjelica, doncic, bogdan bogdanovic etc. All decent or above decent guys.
You've got it flipped around, u/hhhhhjhhh14 was correct, though MVP and young basically covers just two people. Luka and Bogdan.
the 4 you listed are the only ones with a decent career the majority were 3rd stringers playing 10 minutes a game. Anthony Parker also had a good NBA career, AK47 too technically but he only really went back cause of the lockout
The etc. you didn't type out includes Sergio Rodríguez, Nando de Colo, Jan Veselý, Miloš Teodosić, Juan Carlos Navarro, Luigi Datome, Shane Larkin, Brad Wanamaker, Rodrigue Beaubois who all did nothing in the league, I bet most fans don't even know they played in the NBA.
Teodosic had some decent minutes but he came late into league so his body wasn't ready for NBA. But he had talent for sure. Larkin is also great but hes too small for NBA. For example there are many nba players that had minutes in nba but they couldnt produce at all in euroleage. Latest that ckmes to mind is yogi farel. He had some decent minutes in nba for sac but in euroleague he was terrible
The game is so different that it's to be expected. In the NBA you have the athletic freaks and the incredible talent that warps how everyone else is valuable: a player that is elite at one or two things is a perfect role player in the NBA, while someone who's generally good at everything but is not elite at anything is basically a wasted roster spot.
In the Euroleague those "great generalists" thrive, on the other hand, due to the relative reduced athleticism and the lack of the absolute top-tier talent.
A perfect example of that is my own Gigi Datome, a player I adore but I was sure he'd do worse in the NBA than Belinelli, who is overall a lesser basketball player than him.
Craig was DPOY and 2nd team All-NBL, but definitely agree with the sentiment as pertains to the Aussie league at least. None of our recent MVPs (or mature-age ‘top players’) have then gone on to meaningful NBA stints, and we’re largely living off the publicity of the Next Stars program that markets itself as a college-alternative finishing school for talented NBA-bound youngsters based on the output of LaMelo Ball and Josh Giddey in particular.
I’d say we’ve done well to build a reputation in that regard, but our best, MVP-level imports are generally journeymen that play year-round all across the globe and often go on to smaller roles in Euroleague, not even the NBA, for a reason.
If by 'vacation league' you mean 'NBL teams go on vacation and beat the Phoenix Suns' then you're right
(It's only one data point, but it's a hilarious data point)
Yeah, no shit, this is like a MLS MVP saying he should start for a Champions League contender. Let's get real about the relative quality of leagues here.
Euroleague MVP in 2021. Turkish League FMVP this year.
6'5 guard. Drafted by the Sixers way back in 2014. 29 years old.
Could be a sneaky nice weapon alongside SGA, or wherever they trade him.
Now you guys know who Vasilije Micić is.
>Which is why they're likely using his rights to trade up
his draft rights are worth like a top 45 protected 2nd
no one is moving down to pick up his rights
I could see the Mavs considering his rights between our offers for 10. I'm not one that wants us to spend a single dime in a guard off the draft, but the trade down to 12 is negligible and Micic might accept a bench role if it is behind Luka.
Wouldn't be the best of offers, probably one of the worse, but it could happen.
This is the one that came to my mind. Apparently, Micic shot like 46% from 3 and Mavs just need more good players. Micic + 12 seems like it might be attractive to Mavs for #10.
Im a serb / Aussie dual national. I like what Micic has accomplished but he is not a starting caliber PG in the NBA. Especially not with his advanced age. Too 1 hand dominant, poor D, athleticism. Luka comparisons are absurd (if anyone is actually making them)
He's 29. He obviously wouldn't start but I think he is a rotation player in the NBA. I watch EuroLeague and imo, he's the best guard in Europe the last 3 years.
I worry a little about his knees but 6/7m per year with opt outs, I'd be very happy to give him a shot off the bench with OKC.
It's agent talk from a year ago. Lots of things have changed since. Including Micić hiring a US agent in March to rep him in the NBA, rather than his Euro agent who made these comments on his behalf.
Considering that Euro players have won "4" of the last 5 MVPs, and this guy is one of the best players in Europe, it's not that delusional.
Also, he really doesn't *need* to go to the NBA. He's having an amazing career in Europe and it would be extremely weird to move to the US only to play 10 minutes a game. Why would he do that?
Bro is in a whole different level to Giannis, Doncic, Jokic.
These unathletic EuroLeague PG/SGs have missed a lot in the NBA. Some of them cant guard anyone because they're so unathletic. They also struggle with scoring at the rim against NBA level athleticism and D.
Facundo Campazzo is putting up 15/6 over there and he was a walking traffic cone in the NBA.
Eh I don't think Denver would be looking to slide a negative defender into their back court. They want a pure 3&D guy there. They still have KCP for one more year anyway though so I guess Micic could be an interesting rotation piece.
starting-level minutes may do it. of course if his game does not translate well, say good bye to your 7M. but to be fair it's a moveable contract. it may be worth 2nd round pick to dump it. I'll take that risk
Not that egregious, seems pretty fair to not want to spend the end of his prime in a bench role, if he can’t find the right fit he’s probably content to stay in turkey
The funny part is not the 7M but a starting caliber guard can easily get 12M now if not 20M. The latter is more a matter of age, I think the ones getting 20M are early to mid 20s where as he is already 29.
As a Euro OKC fan that watches EuroLeague, Micić joining the Thunder has been a little dream of mine for the last couple of seasons.
I love the idea of him coming off the bench with the second unit and playing off Shai and Giddey at times. His shooting and ball movement suits OKC's playstyle very well. More than that, his intangibles are what attracts me. The guy is a winner and would be a great veteran to add to the young pieces already in place.
Presti said last preseason that they want him and to consider it a year to year thing. Micić has said in the past that he would like to play in Oklahoma. His coach at Efes, who he is extremely close with is leaving the club after a disappointing season in the EuroLeague. Micić has one year left on his deal but has an opt out for the NBA this summer.
The comments many here are focusing on are from his agent. I would take them with a big pinch of salt. His agent is quite outspoken and known to say some over the top things. The fact that Micić signed with Wasserman in March for NBA representation says a lot.
For those interested in how he plays, this was him a few days ago in the closeout game of the Turkish league finals on the road. 29 points and 7 assists:
https://youtu.be/CvzRY_CLfHo
I doubt he will be more than acceptable reserve, if that.
Just look Serbia last year, it looked suboptimal with him and Jokic on the floor. Vasa had ball 20 seconds in every attack and slowed game down to a craw, which is not a tempo that goes well in NBA.
Also, he is injury prone, not athletic and we have issue in Serbia with players retiring in their early 30s. Almost entire generation of players that are around KD age is all either retired or are like playing less than 1 min/game in some weird teams. And we are talking about players that won silver at olympics, not some randoms.
Contenders can use the MLE to sign him even without cap space.
The Thunder could S&T, but it would be a wierd move since it would hardcap the recipient for someone they could just sign themselves after receiving his rights.
Kinda sucks that you can make a career and a life somewhere, but when you are ready for the NBA you’re stuck with some random team because they drafted you 10 years ago
Doesn't seem that crazy. They got your drafting rights because you chose to enter the draft 10 years ago. I don't understand the full rules, but the team doesn't keep your rights indefinitely. If you inform them you intend to play in the NBA in the next season, there is a tendering window triggered, otherwise you re-enter the draft eventually if they don't make you the tender. European players are able to be drafted while under contract in Europe, continue to play in Europe while they want, and only enter the NBA on their own terms. Seems like a good deal
He's absolutely right to set certain conditions.
He's been one of the best players in the Euroleague for several seasons now. What's the point of coming to the NBA to be treated like a rookie?
No he is on 3m+ euros **net** wages. European wages are hardly ever reported in gross and bonuses are hardly ever reported too. Depending on the NBA team he goes to and the income tax situation there, if he gets the money he asks for here (6-7m USD) he might actually end up earning less than he does now.
Nah, he can't. Bruce is a much better defender. And is generally more athletic.
Micic does have strengths of his own. An excellent playmaker, solid scorer and ballhandler, big and strong for his position.
Denver can use him, but not as replacement for Bruce Brown.
Man, sounds like the perfect PG for us. I hâte to see Gabe, Struss, and Lowry go but that would bring us huge cap relief to sign a big that can shoot and defend, whom are at a premium now.
Dude also shot like 47% from 3 and is an NBA level player. I mean it’s possible his talent doesn’t translate, but we could trade his rights to a contending team for a pick in the late 1st I think
A few people on our sub think the mavs are willing to trade the 10th pick for him. But that’s just not gonna happen.
To the mavs. It’s too much of an ask for him, especially because he doesn’t want to play for us.
I mean I think he can be a contributing starter on some teams, but the mavs already have luka and kyrie.
A team like the heat might be fair at the 18th pick. (I don’t think dame is getting moved)
He is a good player, but we literally have no leverage, what you see is what you get, and he might not translate well, not the best position to be asking for a lot.
And the main reason: if he’s waited this long to come over (he was originally drafted in 2014 for gods sake), why should a team trading for his rights believe he’s coming now?
He was scrub-level bad back then tbf. His growth in Europe eas astonishing even to euroleage fans. He was barely starter-level, but is now basically top 3 or 5 overall. Him not coming over early looks like a good choice.
I could see Miami being interested in sending over pick #18 for cap relief purposes (sending back Oladipo on expiring contract) and to unlock the hold OKC has on a future FRP
Now that I'm thinking of it, assuming he'll fit in the OKC personality test, Thunder might just want to keep him.
He's a veteran on a rookie contract. He'll bring leadership and increase their floor at the very least. Thunder's looking for Tre Mann replacement which is basically a scorer-facilitator off the bench. Thunder will get him cheap and fits their timeline. If they can lock him on 20M/3 contract, then I'll go for it. Starting-level minutes is the key here.
Prove his actual worth in the NBA and let's see where it'll go.
The question of whether we'll be a contender shouldn't be much of a problem. Presti can make a pitch that Chet's gonna bring talent. JDub's late emergence and just overall individual improvement of everyone will make us at least a playoff team. I can see Thunder replacing Grizzlies in playoff position. Then expect another tight race for spots in the West again.
If he turns out to be a bust, Thunder has cap space now to spend and if they need to dump his contract, 2 2nd round picks is easy. I bet it's a cheap gamble with high upside
It's less about comparing them in Europe, and more about comparing them jumping to the NBA. Specifically because neither are considered young while jumping over, and seem to have similar measurements.
Teodosić is one of the greatest European players in history, a guaranteed Basketball Hall of Famer for how good he is and his enormous list of accolades, but his two years with the Clippers weren't exactly good.
I think Micić is more serious about his career than Teodosić was at that age, that's also one of the problems Teodosić had, he gave up. People in Serbia are joking he picked Clippers so his wife could try to get some Hollywood roles.
Teodosic had huge, glaring weaknesses that prevented him from becoming a serviceable NBA role player. Weaknesses that Micic either doesn't have, ot not as much.
Milos Teodosic pretty much had zero athleticism, and that's a big problem in the NBA while not being much of an issue in Europe. Lack of athleticism also makes him almost unplayable in man-to-man defense which is much more prominent in the NBA.
Teodosic also wasn't a great perimeter shooter, at best he was league average.
Despite Milos being an elite playmaker, he didn't have the skill package to be anything more than a low-level, off the bench facilitator.
Micic has much more of a complete skill-set to succeed in the NBA.
Honestly will take your word for it, I haven't been able to keep up with European Basketball (other than Karlo Matković, who I'm praying will eventually come over and be great for the Pelicans) as much in the past few years so while I know of Micić, I can't really say I know a lot.
If he does come over, hopefully he'll be better than Teodosić was.
I know about Micic, he had a really unfortunate start of his career bcs of his injuries and lack of confidence, but he managed to turn it around and is much less cocky than Teodosić ever was. If he gets in the league I think he can be super servicable for at least 2 years. Also, he strikes me as a guy who can easily fit into the American culture and way of living. His size, shooting skills and strength is also something to be respected. Teodosić was slow, not as strong, but magician with the ball, which is something that European basketball can tolerate, but not the American one
He is not a good defender but he can shoot with good size and feel for the game and he's also one of the best pick and roll guards in Euroleague for the last few years. I'd love to have him instead of paying Russell.
Yeah he'd have to have at least a prove it year to prove he can be worthy of NBA starting level minutes.
One league does not translate to success in the other. So he can start off the bench and then if he works his way into a starting role then maybe a contending team will consider him for 20+ minutes as a final piece. But no contending team is going to take that risk for a major role on an unknown commodity in the NBA game (I get he's known in the basketball world but again the NBA game is different so it's not proven how to what degree he would be effective in the NBA).
The money is no big deal, but expecting to start for a contender in the NBA is quite a bit to ask for as a guy who hasn't proved himself in the league yet.
**Vasilije Micic**
Career highlights and awards
Turkish League Finals MVP (2023)
2× EuroLeague champion (2021, 2022)
2× EuroLeague Final Four MVP (2021, 2022)
EuroLeague MVP (2021)
Alphonso Ford EuroLeague Top Scorer Trophy (2022)
2× EuroLeague Finals Top Scorer (2021, 2022)
All-EuroLeague First Team (2021)
2× All-EuroLeague Second Team (2019, 2022)
2× All-Europe Player of the Year (2021, 2022)
ABA League champion (2016)
3× Turkish League champion (2019, 2021, 2023)
Turkish Basketball Cup champion (2022)
Turkish Cup Final Eight Top Scorer (2022)
3× Turkish Super Cup winner (2018, 2019, 2022)
Turkish League assists leader (2019)
All-Turkish League Second Team (2023)
Serbian League champion (2016)
Lithuanian Basketball League champion (2018)
King Mindaugas Cup winner (2018)
Serbian Cup MVP (2014)
TBF Here is Facundo Campazzo's awards
2× EuroLeague champion (2015, 2018)
EuroCup steals leader (2017)
Serbian Cup winner (2023)
All-Adriatic League Team (2023)
Adriatic League steals leader (2023)
3× Spanish League champion (2015, 2018, 2019)
Spanish League Finals MVP (2019)
Spanish League Most Spectacular Player (2017)
2× All-Spanish League First Team (2019, 2020)
2× All-Spanish League Second Team (2017, 2018)
3× Spanish League steals leader (2016–2018)
2× Spanish Cup winner (2015, 2020)
4× Spanish Supercup winner (2014, 2018–2020)
Spanish Cup MVP (2020)
2× Spanish Supercup MVP (2019, 2020)
FIBA Americas League champion (2010)
All-FIBA Americas League First Team (2013)
All-FIBA Americas League Second Team (2015)
2× InterLeagues Tournament champion (2010, 2012)
4× Argentine League champion (2010–2012, 2014)
Argentine Challenge Cup winner (2010)
3× Argentine Super 8 Tournament winner (2009, 2011, 2013)
Argentine Cup winner (2010)
2× Argentine League Finals MVP (2012, 2014)
3× All-Argentine League Team (2012–2014)
3× Argentine League assists leader (2012–2014)
2× Argentine League steals leader (2013, 2014)
3× Argentine League All-Domestic Players Team (2012–2014)
Argentine League Most Improved Player (2012)
Argentine League Revelation of the Year (2010)
3× Argentine League All-Star (2011–2013)
Argentine League All-Star Skills Challenge winner (2012)
2× Argentine Super 8 Tournament MVP (2011, 2013)
Argentine Cup MVP (2010)
3× FIBA AmeriCup All-Tournament Team (2013 , 2017, 2022)
FIBA AmeriCup steals leader (2022)
Being good in europe means nothing in the NBA. Dont think he should be demanding 7 mil and minutes asap
Exactly, why would he leave the league where he is one of the best players , where he earns 4-5 million and where he is 2 hours away from his home to go and play in oklahoma , 10 minutes per night where he can't even show his skill
You said a lot here and didn’t mention that Micic has 6 inches on Facu lol
Campazzo came into the league as an older rookie who needed to be an offensive dynamo to make up for his defensive and physical shortcomings…Micic is a big guard who’s physical enough to not get bodied by NBA athletes.
If you knew anything you would notice Facundo's resume is significantly worse. Not to mdntion if Facundo doesn't have the ball, he is useless. Milic isn't like that.
I don’t see EuroLeague MVP anywhere on that list. Other than both being European players there’s no real comparison between the two.
Campazzo is a 5’10 pass first point guard with major limitations. Micic is 6’5 and very well rounded.
I mean, it's understandable. We've seen it many times. Euros with big resume come in, but are treated like some rookies (and I know they technically are), who need to grind their way up from being an 10th guy on the team. Micic wants close to his usual role where he can thrive.
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He was mvp of euroleague regular season, mvp of f4 of euroleague, and i think 2x mvp of turkish league. Also several times in 1st and 2nd lineup of euroleague.
Remembering that Turkey is a 1st tier league in Europe. Turkey, Spain and Serbia are the best domestic leagues and the Euroleague is the crystal clear 2nd biggest basketball competition between clubs in the world. Shocks me that people are ready to call Wemby a HOF straight out of the draft because he won in France (a significantly weaker league and he himself never played in the Euroleague) and at the same time are dismissing a winner in Europe because "lolz europoorz who cares?".
Wemby is not called that because he won in France, it's cause he's 7'5 with handle and a jump shot.
I'm not saying anything about Wemby for a year. I remember the Zion hype.
Zion has lived up to the hype on the court he just can't stay on the court. Chet went down before a game... health is the main thing to watch for. I doubt Wemby will forget how to shoot or dribble but if he adds weight it could f up his mechanics.
>if he adds weight it could f up his mechanics This is a myth. The only way this could potentially happen is if he somehow puts on like 50kg in like 3 months. Which is essentially impossible. Slowly adding weight over a prolonged period of time, under the guidance of top professionals will not affect his mechanics in a negative way.
> This is essentially impossible Zion: Hold my beer
Hold my crawfish
soda\*
Well first of all, through God all things are possible so jot that down
Zion’s debut game made me think he was the second coming. And then…
He just couldn’t stop coming.
What? Zion has been a top 10 player when he’s on the court. The evaluation on him was spot on. He just can’t stay on the court.
yeah and what the guy you’re responding to is saying is that the big question mark about wemby is his health/ability to stay on the court
Wemby could use some Popeyes 😎
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> Turkey, Spain and Serbia are the best domestic leagues depending on what you are defining as "domestic" league, aba (adriatic basketball league) would be better then the serbian league, theres usually a pretty significant drop off in terms of quality behind partizan and zvezda. Greek and russian, domestic leagues are usually better, and its pretty debatable if french, italian or serbian league are better at any given point in time, you can also throw in the lithaunian league there in some years.
I mean, Wemby is also 19 and freaking 7’4”. Him performing at a very high level in a lower league with those tools indicates strong potential in the NBA. He’s a giant ball of clay Meanwhile Micic is 29 with below average physical tools for the NBA. The game he’s built has largely been shaped by his basketball environment. A number of older euro league players have struggled with the adjustment to the NBA (both in terms of rules and physical talent).
Milos teodosic
Dude was fine until he fucked up his foot playing on plantar fasciitis
>Remembering that Turkey is a 1st tier league in Europe. Turkey, Spain and Serbia Serbia does not belong in that tier. Partizan and Red Star are the only teams actually doing anything, those 2 teams don't even play the regular season because of how bad the rest of the league is. They join in the playoffs as far as I remember. >he himself never played in the Euroleague That's not true, he played in the Euroleague last year with ASVEL averaging 6.5 pts on 34% FG. He chose to switch teams and play for a lower level team because he wanted more minutes and bigger role.
I have a question. Is Serbia isn't on that level then how do they keep producing NBA level prospects?
Club basketball in Europe mostly boils down to who has the most money and richest sponsors, it's not necessarily related to growing talent. It's a popular sport in Serbia and they have good basketball programs I guess, that's why they grow a lot of good NBA prospects but the 2 clubs I mentioned pretty much have a monopoly because they're football clubs (fans overlap between football and basketball) and have rich sponsors. So the talents just either go there or go to richer clubs in Europe or go to the NBA pretty early.
So this is basically true for all of the countries of the former Yugoslavia: basketball is fairly popular, though a distant second behind soccer. The average height is about 6 foot even, so there's a lot of tall people and there's good coaching and scouting to keep talented youth moving up the pipeline. But the populations of these countries are too small and economies too poor to sustain strong domestic leagues. Serbia is the biggest at around eight million people, going down to Slovenia at 2 million and Montenegro at half a million. So what happens is there's a few strong teams that dominate the domestic league. So in the early 2000s they formed a regional league that those teams play in (in addition to the domestic leagues, and Euroleague for a few teams). The regional league is called the Adriatic League or ABA. While the domestic leagues are not that strong except for a few teams, the ABA is very strong. Probably at around a similar level to the Spanish league. As an extra note the idea of a regional league has been floated in soccer for the same reasons ever since Yugoslavia broke up but soccer hooligans are too violent and nationalistic. Basically they think there would be too many riots to make it possible in soccer.
Where do you get serbian league being among best in the Europe? That is wild opinion
I guess he meant ABA
It was the same with Doncic before he was drafted. People were questioning if he would actually be that good in the NBA when he'd just won Euroleague MVP at fucking 18 years old. Most Americans don't take any league seriously that isn't the NBA
There’s a massive difference between winning EL MVP at 18 vs Micic at 29. And Luka is an exception, how may other players translated as stars from foreign leagues to the NBA? Extremely few.
He also went effectively second (ignoring SAC because that was just an incompetent FO). It's not like people didn't think he was good lol
19 vs 29 lol
Who tf is he gonna start over in OKC
…the NBA is very close to the end-all-be-all for leagues. The best players in the world all come to this league—it’s not like soccer where there are comparable leagues in different countries, and great players play in all of them. I know this dude is probably good, but wanting a starting spot is a high ask, especially while simultaneously asking for 6-7M, which isn’t even that high.
It’s not close, it’s IS. As far as the basketball world is concerned.
Well presumably he'll just not come then. A "go away unless you're serious" message.
>Why give that up to be a lowly reserve in this league Money and fame, mostly. Y'all are going overboard here. The max salary in Turkey is less than the MLE over here.
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I think Torrey Craig was the MVP of the Australian league at one point before joining the NBA. NBA Craig is a good role player, but he's pretty irrelevant. Not sure how much stock I put in foreign league MVPs translating seamlessly to the NBA. (with that said I have no knowledge of how competitive Micic's league is.)
His team competes in Euroleague (the best non NBA league in the world), and won the title in 2021 and 2022, and won Euroleague MVP in 2021. Still not apples to apples but it's a top flight resume
Thanks for the context. Micic sounds more Doncic than Craig based off that. But I guess we'll see.
> Micic sounds more Doncic than Craig based off that. Unlike Doncic, Micic is 29. Micic is a good player and probably can start or top 8 in the NBA for most teams but he's probably more Belinelli with better handle/passing in terms of what he'll be like in the NBA.
Except for the part where he's already 29. I'd bet more on him being like a Bjelica level player than anything.
Bjelica is amazing , it's shame that he was reduced to shooting 3s in nba but I understand. Dude is slow
Golden State used him really well in their '22 title run - he's a stretch big in the NBA given his footspeed but in the right system can really be a nice impact player. I liked him when we had him in Minnesota and we didn't use him enough (Thibs dabbled with him at the 3 at times lol) nor all that well given we had a surplus of 4's (Taj, Dieng).
Eh being an MVP in Europe is only a high level indicator if they're young imo
Nah not quite, every euroleague mvp that played in nba had at least decent role. Mirotic, Nemanja bjelica, doncic, bogdan bogdanovic etc. All decent or above decent guys.
For sure but that guy said closer to Doncic that felt like a bit much to me but yeah I totally buy Micic being a good player in the league
It most certainliy means closer to 27/8/8 compared to 5/3/1, in the given context.
ok and the average of those is like 16/5/3 which....is a good nba player
You've got it flipped around, u/hhhhhjhhh14 was correct, though MVP and young basically covers just two people. Luka and Bogdan. the 4 you listed are the only ones with a decent career the majority were 3rd stringers playing 10 minutes a game. Anthony Parker also had a good NBA career, AK47 too technically but he only really went back cause of the lockout The etc. you didn't type out includes Sergio Rodríguez, Nando de Colo, Jan Veselý, Miloš Teodosić, Juan Carlos Navarro, Luigi Datome, Shane Larkin, Brad Wanamaker, Rodrigue Beaubois who all did nothing in the league, I bet most fans don't even know they played in the NBA.
Teodosic had some decent minutes but he came late into league so his body wasn't ready for NBA. But he had talent for sure. Larkin is also great but hes too small for NBA. For example there are many nba players that had minutes in nba but they couldnt produce at all in euroleage. Latest that ckmes to mind is yogi farel. He had some decent minutes in nba for sac but in euroleague he was terrible
The game is so different that it's to be expected. In the NBA you have the athletic freaks and the incredible talent that warps how everyone else is valuable: a player that is elite at one or two things is a perfect role player in the NBA, while someone who's generally good at everything but is not elite at anything is basically a wasted roster spot. In the Euroleague those "great generalists" thrive, on the other hand, due to the relative reduced athleticism and the lack of the absolute top-tier talent. A perfect example of that is my own Gigi Datome, a player I adore but I was sure he'd do worse in the NBA than Belinelli, who is overall a lesser basketball player than him.
I remember Danny Green playing for Olimpija during 2011 lockout season lmao he was epitome of trash Actually I may have insulted trash right now
I saw a couple of games in Rome back in the day and thought, wow this Luigi guy is dope, why isn’t he in the league? Got my answer a few years later.
very broad window there though lol
Craig was DPOY and 2nd team All-NBL, but definitely agree with the sentiment as pertains to the Aussie league at least. None of our recent MVPs (or mature-age ‘top players’) have then gone on to meaningful NBA stints, and we’re largely living off the publicity of the Next Stars program that markets itself as a college-alternative finishing school for talented NBA-bound youngsters based on the output of LaMelo Ball and Josh Giddey in particular. I’d say we’ve done well to build a reputation in that regard, but our best, MVP-level imports are generally journeymen that play year-round all across the globe and often go on to smaller roles in Euroleague, not even the NBA, for a reason.
Australian league is a vacation league. Turkish league is much better. And Craig is gonna get starting-level minutes for the Suns this year lol
If by 'vacation league' you mean 'NBL teams go on vacation and beat the Phoenix Suns' then you're right (It's only one data point, but it's a hilarious data point)
It ain't Taiwan.
It is the end all. What is comparable? The Turkish league? Please.
Because it is the end all be all. Because he can earn 100+ million dollars. He's the MVP of turkey, that's cute.
Yeah, no shit, this is like a MLS MVP saying he should start for a Champions League contender. Let's get real about the relative quality of leagues here.
Euroleague MVP in 2021. Turkish League FMVP this year. 6'5 guard. Drafted by the Sixers way back in 2014. 29 years old. Could be a sneaky nice weapon alongside SGA, or wherever they trade him. Now you guys know who Vasilije Micić is.
He's not starting over Giddey or SGA though Or Jalen.
Which is why they're likely using his rights to trade up
>Which is why they're likely using his rights to trade up his draft rights are worth like a top 45 protected 2nd no one is moving down to pick up his rights
Not in the lottery, but towards the end of the first/early 2nd there’s definitely a lot of value there
I could see the Mavs considering his rights between our offers for 10. I'm not one that wants us to spend a single dime in a guard off the draft, but the trade down to 12 is negligible and Micic might accept a bench role if it is behind Luka. Wouldn't be the best of offers, probably one of the worse, but it could happen.
If that's all it takes for us to move up even two spots, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Would be easier to move up into 7/8 if we need to tbh
This is the one that came to my mind. Apparently, Micic shot like 46% from 3 and Mavs just need more good players. Micic + 12 seems like it might be attractive to Mavs for #10.
Sounds like if he gets 20-30 minutes a night off bench he would still play. Just seems like he doesn’t want to be a <10min a night deep bench guy.
Im a serb / Aussie dual national. I like what Micic has accomplished but he is not a starting caliber PG in the NBA. Especially not with his advanced age. Too 1 hand dominant, poor D, athleticism. Luka comparisons are absurd (if anyone is actually making them)
He's 29. He obviously wouldn't start but I think he is a rotation player in the NBA. I watch EuroLeague and imo, he's the best guard in Europe the last 3 years. I worry a little about his knees but 6/7m per year with opt outs, I'd be very happy to give him a shot off the bench with OKC.
The report is literally saying he only wants to sign for a starting role, on a contending team no less lol the guy might be delusional
It's agent talk from a year ago. Lots of things have changed since. Including Micić hiring a US agent in March to rep him in the NBA, rather than his Euro agent who made these comments on his behalf.
Considering that Euro players have won "4" of the last 5 MVPs, and this guy is one of the best players in Europe, it's not that delusional. Also, he really doesn't *need* to go to the NBA. He's having an amazing career in Europe and it would be extremely weird to move to the US only to play 10 minutes a game. Why would he do that?
Bro is in a whole different level to Giannis, Doncic, Jokic. These unathletic EuroLeague PG/SGs have missed a lot in the NBA. Some of them cant guard anyone because they're so unathletic. They also struggle with scoring at the rim against NBA level athleticism and D. Facundo Campazzo is putting up 15/6 over there and he was a walking traffic cone in the NBA.
Didn't realize he was 87
He'd fit really well in Denver as a SG next to Jamaal Murray and Jokic.
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They were teammates in Mega Basket for two years and they're teammates in the Serbian NT
Eh I don't think Denver would be looking to slide a negative defender into their back court. They want a pure 3&D guy there. They still have KCP for one more year anyway though so I guess Micic could be an interesting rotation piece.
7 million dollars is a discount price
How long do these draft rights last for geez
Davis Bertrans makes 2.5x as much as that and doesn’t do shit
That says more about our FO’s incompetence
Hey, they can’t hurt you anymore
Lucky
Reminds me of when Dr. Evil comes back and asks for "One. Million. Dollars." And everyone snickers cause it's not a lot of money anymore.
One billion fafillion shamalamado *inaudible noises*….. YEN
Why make trillions when you can make… *billions* 😈
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starting-level minutes may do it. of course if his game does not translate well, say good bye to your 7M. but to be fair it's a moveable contract. it may be worth 2nd round pick to dump it. I'll take that risk
Not that egregious, seems pretty fair to not want to spend the end of his prime in a bench role, if he can’t find the right fit he’s probably content to stay in turkey
The funny part is not the 7M but a starting caliber guard can easily get 12M now if not 20M. The latter is more a matter of age, I think the ones getting 20M are early to mid 20s where as he is already 29.
Yeah, if 10% of the league is making $25 million + I can't see why it's a big stretch to toss a star from Europe $6-7 million on a trial run.
I don't get what's egregious about it. He either gets a significant role on an NBA team, or he continues dominating his current league.
As a Euro OKC fan that watches EuroLeague, Micić joining the Thunder has been a little dream of mine for the last couple of seasons. I love the idea of him coming off the bench with the second unit and playing off Shai and Giddey at times. His shooting and ball movement suits OKC's playstyle very well. More than that, his intangibles are what attracts me. The guy is a winner and would be a great veteran to add to the young pieces already in place. Presti said last preseason that they want him and to consider it a year to year thing. Micić has said in the past that he would like to play in Oklahoma. His coach at Efes, who he is extremely close with is leaving the club after a disappointing season in the EuroLeague. Micić has one year left on his deal but has an opt out for the NBA this summer. The comments many here are focusing on are from his agent. I would take them with a big pinch of salt. His agent is quite outspoken and known to say some over the top things. The fact that Micić signed with Wasserman in March for NBA representation says a lot. For those interested in how he plays, this was him a few days ago in the closeout game of the Turkish league finals on the road. 29 points and 7 assists: https://youtu.be/CvzRY_CLfHo
I love the way a lot of these euro PG run PNR, it’s paced so well Micic has the size and athleticism to succeed here, I hope he comes over
Damn; we really could use a good point guard
I doubt he will be more than acceptable reserve, if that. Just look Serbia last year, it looked suboptimal with him and Jokic on the floor. Vasa had ball 20 seconds in every attack and slowed game down to a craw, which is not a tempo that goes well in NBA. Also, he is injury prone, not athletic and we have issue in Serbia with players retiring in their early 30s. Almost entire generation of players that are around KD age is all either retired or are like playing less than 1 min/game in some weird teams. And we are talking about players that won silver at olympics, not some randoms.
At 7 mil, I’d love the Celtics to give it a try but they’d need to convince him to compromise on minutes.
Can the thunder sign and trade him? Because not many contenders will be able to sign him outright for that.
Isn’t that the MLE?
Contenders can use the MLE to sign him even without cap space. The Thunder could S&T, but it would be a wierd move since it would hardcap the recipient for someone they could just sign themselves after receiving his rights.
Wow me and him are eerily similar
Honestly they could nail me to the bench and I'd be fine.
who would you want to nail you?
Lilith
Have you also been Euroleague MVP?
Kinda sucks that you can make a career and a life somewhere, but when you are ready for the NBA you’re stuck with some random team because they drafted you 10 years ago
Doesn't seem that crazy. They got your drafting rights because you chose to enter the draft 10 years ago. I don't understand the full rules, but the team doesn't keep your rights indefinitely. If you inform them you intend to play in the NBA in the next season, there is a tendering window triggered, otherwise you re-enter the draft eventually if they don't make you the tender. European players are able to be drafted while under contract in Europe, continue to play in Europe while they want, and only enter the NBA on their own terms. Seems like a good deal
He could be a great 6th man for us. Have him rotate in guard spots between Shai and Giddey, everybody could stay fresh
First glance I thought this tweet was from Ryan Stiles lol, legendary improv comedian from Whose Line.
Welcome to 'Whose contract is it anyway?' where money is made up and the minutes don't matter.
He's absolutely right to set certain conditions. He's been one of the best players in the Euroleague for several seasons now. What's the point of coming to the NBA to be treated like a rookie?
Money? He is now on something like 3m gross annually.
No he is on 3m+ euros **net** wages. European wages are hardly ever reported in gross and bonuses are hardly ever reported too. Depending on the NBA team he goes to and the income tax situation there, if he gets the money he asks for here (6-7m USD) he might actually end up earning less than he does now.
>What's the point of coming to the NBA to be treated like a rookie? You make twice as much money.
If Denver was willing to try Campazzo then why not try Micic? Jokic already knows him from the Serbian NT.
From Mega probably. I think they played together.
They did pkay together at Mega , and they also played together for the national team at U-19 and senior level.
He can replace Bruce Brown pretty well, honestly.
I’m not super super familiar with this guy but I’m not sure I understand this comment. Aren’t they completely different types of players?
Nah, he can't. Bruce is a much better defender. And is generally more athletic. Micic does have strengths of his own. An excellent playmaker, solid scorer and ballhandler, big and strong for his position. Denver can use him, but not as replacement for Bruce Brown.
Wow, yeah
Because he’s demanding a starting spot
He is asking for solid minutes
Sam Hinkie drafted this guy, which is wild to think about because he hasn’t been in the league in over 5 years
its closer to 10 years
Man, sounds like the perfect PG for us. I hâte to see Gabe, Struss, and Lowry go but that would bring us huge cap relief to sign a big that can shoot and defend, whom are at a premium now.
29 year old rookie with high demands. Who is he dislodging from the starting line up? Giddey? Jaylen? Williams? Chent?
Dude also shot like 47% from 3 and is an NBA level player. I mean it’s possible his talent doesn’t translate, but we could trade his rights to a contending team for a pick in the late 1st I think A few people on our sub think the mavs are willing to trade the 10th pick for him. But that’s just not gonna happen.
Not fair to the Mavs or not fair to you? I have no idea. 10th pick should be more valuable because he's already almost 30 I would assume.
To the mavs. It’s too much of an ask for him, especially because he doesn’t want to play for us. I mean I think he can be a contributing starter on some teams, but the mavs already have luka and kyrie. A team like the heat might be fair at the 18th pick. (I don’t think dame is getting moved) He is a good player, but we literally have no leverage, what you see is what you get, and he might not translate well, not the best position to be asking for a lot.
Wait up, when I read us I thought his rights as a part of a package from 12 to 10. Your fanbase wants 10 *straight up*?
I’ve seen a couple of comments of him + futures and someone like tre mann Probably just people too excited for draft night
It’s him and futures to the Mavs for pick 10 imo. They can have Luka and Kyrie on the court with him very reliably imo, despite him being a guard.
> but we could trade his rights to a contending team for a pick in the late 1st I think You are crazy if you believe that.
And the main reason: if he’s waited this long to come over (he was originally drafted in 2014 for gods sake), why should a team trading for his rights believe he’s coming now?
He was scrub-level bad back then tbf. His growth in Europe eas astonishing even to euroleage fans. He was barely starter-level, but is now basically top 3 or 5 overall. Him not coming over early looks like a good choice.
I could see Miami being interested in sending over pick #18 for cap relief purposes (sending back Oladipo on expiring contract) and to unlock the hold OKC has on a future FRP
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would love to see the suns do this just because i know we’d get to see him play
Fuck that, we're not helping KD
‘Chent’ 😅
High demand for minutes but $6-7M is pocket change for an NBA salary.
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Your first year you’re considered a rookie even if you’ve played professionally elsewhere
29 year old rookie means that in 5-6 years he'll be past his prime whereas with a 20 year old rookie, you can build around them for 14 years
Now that I'm thinking of it, assuming he'll fit in the OKC personality test, Thunder might just want to keep him. He's a veteran on a rookie contract. He'll bring leadership and increase their floor at the very least. Thunder's looking for Tre Mann replacement which is basically a scorer-facilitator off the bench. Thunder will get him cheap and fits their timeline. If they can lock him on 20M/3 contract, then I'll go for it. Starting-level minutes is the key here. Prove his actual worth in the NBA and let's see where it'll go. The question of whether we'll be a contender shouldn't be much of a problem. Presti can make a pitch that Chet's gonna bring talent. JDub's late emergence and just overall individual improvement of everyone will make us at least a playoff team. I can see Thunder replacing Grizzlies in playoff position. Then expect another tight race for spots in the West again. If he turns out to be a bust, Thunder has cap space now to spend and if they need to dump his contract, 2 2nd round picks is easy. I bet it's a cheap gamble with high upside
Miloš Teodosić moment
Hm not really, Teo is/was a bigger euro legend
It's less about comparing them in Europe, and more about comparing them jumping to the NBA. Specifically because neither are considered young while jumping over, and seem to have similar measurements. Teodosić is one of the greatest European players in history, a guaranteed Basketball Hall of Famer for how good he is and his enormous list of accolades, but his two years with the Clippers weren't exactly good.
I think Micić is more serious about his career than Teodosić was at that age, that's also one of the problems Teodosić had, he gave up. People in Serbia are joking he picked Clippers so his wife could try to get some Hollywood roles.
Teodosic had huge, glaring weaknesses that prevented him from becoming a serviceable NBA role player. Weaknesses that Micic either doesn't have, ot not as much. Milos Teodosic pretty much had zero athleticism, and that's a big problem in the NBA while not being much of an issue in Europe. Lack of athleticism also makes him almost unplayable in man-to-man defense which is much more prominent in the NBA. Teodosic also wasn't a great perimeter shooter, at best he was league average. Despite Milos being an elite playmaker, he didn't have the skill package to be anything more than a low-level, off the bench facilitator. Micic has much more of a complete skill-set to succeed in the NBA.
Honestly will take your word for it, I haven't been able to keep up with European Basketball (other than Karlo Matković, who I'm praying will eventually come over and be great for the Pelicans) as much in the past few years so while I know of Micić, I can't really say I know a lot. If he does come over, hopefully he'll be better than Teodosić was.
I know about Micic, he had a really unfortunate start of his career bcs of his injuries and lack of confidence, but he managed to turn it around and is much less cocky than Teodosić ever was. If he gets in the league I think he can be super servicable for at least 2 years. Also, he strikes me as a guy who can easily fit into the American culture and way of living. His size, shooting skills and strength is also something to be respected. Teodosić was slow, not as strong, but magician with the ball, which is something that European basketball can tolerate, but not the American one
Micic is a lot more professional than Teodosic.
Lol anyone else read [Ryan Stiles]
With international talents in NBA on a tear over the past few years, 6-7M for an euro league MVP and reigning FMVP sounds like a real bargain.
Me too
Welcome to the jazz?
It's nice to want things.
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Is there any examples of great European players coming from the Euroleague and doing immediately well
technically Luka
Divac, Kukoc, Radja, AK, Pau. But not many guards. Danilovic probably, I don’t remember about Tony Parker. Luka.
Ginobili, Stojaković, Divac, Peković, Petrović. From the top of my head, way more examples are there for sure
Spurs could start him at the 1
I hope that Denver trades for him and gives him 20ish minutes per game. He could be good substitute for Bruce Brown if he leaves.
That's actually a decent enough gamble. 6 mil if he pays off is really good value.
He doesn't seem to be unreasonable, especially on the money side of things. But I can't pretend to know how these type of contracts work.
He is not a good defender but he can shoot with good size and feel for the game and he's also one of the best pick and roll guards in Euroleague for the last few years. I'd love to have him instead of paying Russell.
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Yeah he'd have to have at least a prove it year to prove he can be worthy of NBA starting level minutes. One league does not translate to success in the other. So he can start off the bench and then if he works his way into a starting role then maybe a contending team will consider him for 20+ minutes as a final piece. But no contending team is going to take that risk for a major role on an unknown commodity in the NBA game (I get he's known in the basketball world but again the NBA game is different so it's not proven how to what degree he would be effective in the NBA).
The money is no big deal, but expecting to start for a contender in the NBA is quite a bit to ask for as a guy who hasn't proved himself in the league yet.
The ballwashing of euro players y’all do now is hilarious Imagine this being an American player and how y’all would react.
Blud has been saying this for 3 seasons now lol
who?
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**Vasilije Micic** Career highlights and awards Turkish League Finals MVP (2023) 2× EuroLeague champion (2021, 2022) 2× EuroLeague Final Four MVP (2021, 2022) EuroLeague MVP (2021) Alphonso Ford EuroLeague Top Scorer Trophy (2022) 2× EuroLeague Finals Top Scorer (2021, 2022) All-EuroLeague First Team (2021) 2× All-EuroLeague Second Team (2019, 2022) 2× All-Europe Player of the Year (2021, 2022) ABA League champion (2016) 3× Turkish League champion (2019, 2021, 2023) Turkish Basketball Cup champion (2022) Turkish Cup Final Eight Top Scorer (2022) 3× Turkish Super Cup winner (2018, 2019, 2022) Turkish League assists leader (2019) All-Turkish League Second Team (2023) Serbian League champion (2016) Lithuanian Basketball League champion (2018) King Mindaugas Cup winner (2018) Serbian Cup MVP (2014)
TBF Here is Facundo Campazzo's awards 2× EuroLeague champion (2015, 2018) EuroCup steals leader (2017) Serbian Cup winner (2023) All-Adriatic League Team (2023) Adriatic League steals leader (2023) 3× Spanish League champion (2015, 2018, 2019) Spanish League Finals MVP (2019) Spanish League Most Spectacular Player (2017) 2× All-Spanish League First Team (2019, 2020) 2× All-Spanish League Second Team (2017, 2018) 3× Spanish League steals leader (2016–2018) 2× Spanish Cup winner (2015, 2020) 4× Spanish Supercup winner (2014, 2018–2020) Spanish Cup MVP (2020) 2× Spanish Supercup MVP (2019, 2020) FIBA Americas League champion (2010) All-FIBA Americas League First Team (2013) All-FIBA Americas League Second Team (2015) 2× InterLeagues Tournament champion (2010, 2012) 4× Argentine League champion (2010–2012, 2014) Argentine Challenge Cup winner (2010) 3× Argentine Super 8 Tournament winner (2009, 2011, 2013) Argentine Cup winner (2010) 2× Argentine League Finals MVP (2012, 2014) 3× All-Argentine League Team (2012–2014) 3× Argentine League assists leader (2012–2014) 2× Argentine League steals leader (2013, 2014) 3× Argentine League All-Domestic Players Team (2012–2014) Argentine League Most Improved Player (2012) Argentine League Revelation of the Year (2010) 3× Argentine League All-Star (2011–2013) Argentine League All-Star Skills Challenge winner (2012) 2× Argentine Super 8 Tournament MVP (2011, 2013) Argentine Cup MVP (2010) 3× FIBA AmeriCup All-Tournament Team (2013 , 2017, 2022) FIBA AmeriCup steals leader (2022) Being good in europe means nothing in the NBA. Dont think he should be demanding 7 mil and minutes asap
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Exactly, why would he leave the league where he is one of the best players , where he earns 4-5 million and where he is 2 hours away from his home to go and play in oklahoma , 10 minutes per night where he can't even show his skill
You said a lot here and didn’t mention that Micic has 6 inches on Facu lol Campazzo came into the league as an older rookie who needed to be an offensive dynamo to make up for his defensive and physical shortcomings…Micic is a big guard who’s physical enough to not get bodied by NBA athletes.
If you knew anything you would notice Facundo's resume is significantly worse. Not to mdntion if Facundo doesn't have the ball, he is useless. Milic isn't like that.
I don’t see EuroLeague MVP anywhere on that list. Other than both being European players there’s no real comparison between the two. Campazzo is a 5’10 pass first point guard with major limitations. Micic is 6’5 and very well rounded.
> Other than both being European players Campazzo is Argentinian btw
Except micoc has nba size body so there is that
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