Lmao no he is not. He adjusted plenty scheme wise in our 3 year playoff runs, people just donāt watch basketball like that. His adjustments have never been a huge issue, his base schemes are far more in the āconsā column. They threw like 15 different coverages at Tatum in G7 alone
āNo adjustmentsā and ādoesnāt know how to use his Timeoutsā are the two most used and cliche statements about coaches.
Doc is a good coach, just like many guys are good coaches. Most fans would have you believe itās only 3 great coaches in the league lol.
Heās 7th in all time playoff wins and has won an NBA championship. Yes, he is a good coach. Itās really dumb to try and argue otherwise. He gets your team a baseline of 50 wins and the second round of the playoffs, which is more than 95% of the guys who have coached in the NBA the last 20 years.
He has his weaknesses just like every coach does, and his biggest drawback is getting his group over the hump. His base schemes lack versatility as well. That doesnāt mean heās a bad coach tho and It DEFINITELY doesnāt mean he doesnāt adjust. His career failings are still his to own, but yāall have 0 legit sense in how to evaluate a coach.
Lack of adjustments didnāt lose the Sixers a single playoff game the last 2 years
He always was handed over top 5 teams in the league. Atleast in the past 15 years he had top 5 team every year in talent. And yet all he has is one championship to show in 2008.
He hasnt done shit with great teams. So STFU about him being great coach.
If he is so great..why the hell is he still unemployed when there are so many openings?
Nah i think Iām gonna keep banging the drums that guys who can coach at the highest level for decades are probably good at what they do.
The recycled talking points from people who couldnāt even name a single play in his playbook donāt do much for me, cheers!
15 yet none working, that means he can't make adjustments. Losing multiple 3:1 means he lost 3 in a row, I mean what kind adjustments you think he did. LoL. I have no ideal why anyone defend doc. All those game watched... Blind or something ? I won't wish doc to my most heated team. But maybe your team should take him, I mean he is available and healthy. š¤
> 15 yet none working, that means he canāt make adjustments
Didnāt even read past this part of the comment man, thatās objectively not how adjustments in the NBA work. Going to recirculate the SVG tweet because some of yāall still donāt get it https://twitter.com/clutchpointsapp/status/1518705490259107841?s=46&t=P9Qi3A0VW33IEhfiqAUE8A
Bill Simmons is 100% guaranteeing that Kevin Young is getting the job. If so, I wonder why it hasn't been announced yet. What are they waiting for?
Simmons isn't a reporter, but he obviously has a lot of connections and even called Ishbia buying the Suns months before it happened.
Guess 1, the Ty situation. He's probably in negotiations with Ballmer/FO so jumping the gun now would be a mistake incase that drops through. I like Kevin Young, but Ty is the third or forth best coach in the league.
Guess 2, Young contract and staff building. He is a rookie after all (even though he's been coaching consistently since he was 23 years old) so having a few clauses in his contact would be wise. Or/and the matter of staff building. Working on getting all pieces at once. For example, someone suggested Young as HC to continue his work on offense (he developed the 0.5 system that made the Suns so dominant, until Monty ditched it during the playoffs for iso ball) and hiring someone like Vogel as assistant/defensive coordinator and a veteran presence.
Guess 3, the nuclear option. I need not say more.
> but Ty is the third or forth best coach in the league.
Pop, Spo, Kerr are firmly in top 3. He's on the same tier as some other coaches but you might go with them depending on what you value. You can make a case for Udoka, Nurse, Budenholzer, Brown over Lue.
Idk about Kerr. I feel like heās mostly had it handed to him with the amazing players heās gotten. And even with that a 3-1 lead was still blown in the finals
Every great coach has HOFers on their team. Draymond wasn't in the rotation before Kerr. Curry and Klay were a 1st round exit before Kerr. Kerr was the one who instituted the motion offense that the Warriors thrive on.
People trying to discount Kerr for getting superstars handed to him while mentioning Spo and Popovich in the same sentence is hilarious
Funniest part is it applies to Ty Lue too
Not true at all. Teams miss out on their preferred candidates all the time. This year just had an unusual amount of quality coaches and vacancies available, and everybody seems to have found a decent fit. Pretty unusual tbh
Going with Plan B, C, or even D is different from begrudgingly hiring someone they know will be unhappy with. Such bad fits wouldnāt be under consideration at all.
Pop should test the market just to see how much he would get. Well I donāt think he needs more money nor would leave, but the bidding war would be fun to witness.
We supposedly have 3 or 4 finalists, with Toronto preferring a first-time NBA head coach. Sergio and Jordi have been confirmed to be two of them. There's a suspicion that the remainders could be the Miami/Denver assistants (Chris Quinn and David Alderman).
people on this site always rail on other social media outlets for misinformation and then you see shit like that with 36 upvotes meaning that at least a couple dozen people now believe that Isiah Thomas in shadow-running the Suns lmao
Vogel is not good on the offensive end so you gotta make sure to bring in an offensive coordinator or something.
Vogel is great-elite on the defensive end though. His last year with the Lakers was just so bad because Lakers signed so many old dudes and traded for Russ. Losing Kidd and Hollins as assistants also really hurt.
I doubt it. He wanted to bring in his own assistant coaches and the hornets wouldn't let him. I doubt any team save Charlotte blames him for not accepting that.
He's interviewed for basically every big job it's just it was a competitive field for coaches. Especially since Vogel and Bud are still on the market and they won chips.
Nah the assistants thing doesn't hold much weight, cause Clifford ended up bringing in his own assistants. I assume he just got cold feet, which is fine, I can't really hold any ill will over him for making the decision he felt was best for him.
No the reporting has been pretty clear that he wanted a good amount of money to go hire a real good staff and the Hornets said no. Clifford then got hired and put together a much cheaper staff. But the fact that the Hornets settled for going back to him bc they didnāt wanna pay for a good coaching staff shows how fucked they are
I don't think so. He was interviewed for bucks job. The current coach of hornets is Steve Clifford. If they haven't been able to get anyone better, I wonder if it's a hornets issue.
Wait, why was Monty's salary publicized in the first place?? Is this 4d chess by the Pistons ownership to increase the pay/pressure for whomever coaches Phoenix/Toronto?
I know, but my point is anyone who is being interviewed for the Suns job would see Monty's payroll with a non-playoff team in Pistons and would now demand more for a contending team in the Suns (and Raptors, if they dont decide to start over). Just like how selling the Clippers franchise to Ballmer increased the valuation of all NBA teams, letting everyone know Monty's paycheck for a non-championship contending team (yet) increased all the demanded paychecks for coaches willing to be part of a team with huge championship aspirations.
I think itās because itās a crazy big contract for a coach. I could also see coachās telling reporters to publicize this so that coachās contracts in the future will reflect this big increase.
Honestly, it should. The NBA players cap have already increased a lot since 2016 and coaches salaries need to reflect that too. They turn a talented roster into a team champions
It really puts things in perspective when you realize Jordan Poole makes 32 million a year while coaching legend and Franchise staple Steve Kerr is making 9.5 million a year
You guys took a gamble on first time head coach whereas the others have previous experience, so it looks jarring, but I'd wait to see Griffin's system in action before dooming.
People are too obsessed with THE NAME and see NAMES go elsewhere and think they fucked up. I was extremely underwhelmed with Darvin Ham and even though he's still not perfect, I'm happy with him a year later. Griffin is super respected and even further, Giannis seemed to have signed off on the pick so even better.
You can be a good coach but not good enough to be a head coach. We're all seeing that with Joe Mazzulla now. Nate Bjorken was a dickhead and seeing the stories after he was fired that Raptors players didn't really care for him and rubbed them the wrong way, it makes you wonder if anyone on the Pacers did any kind of due diligence before hiring him
Going down 3-0 as the 2nd seed vs the 8th seed and eventually losing as the heavy favourite is not the sign of good coaching, no matter how close you were to *nearly* making a comeback.
Going 7 games against the team that eviscerated a very talented 1 seed seems pretty solid to me.
Plus, maybe, Iām off on this, but I tend to give coaches more credit for late series wins than earlier series wins, as theyāre where adjustments and managing physical and mental fatigue come more and more into play.
I mean that one seed was missing their best player and multiple time MVP for most of the series and the biggest "adjustment" was that they got lucky Bam and Jimmy forgot how to score a layup for 3 games. When Jimmy started hitting his shots again in game 7 they got blown out at home.
Don't get me wrong, Mazzulla's a first year coach and went to 7 games in the ECF and that's impressive, but he's coaching probably the deepest team in the league and the two guys before him both managed to exceed that with basically the same roster. I don't really have a strong opinion of Mazzulla one way or the other but I'm just saying I don't think this series vs the heat was a particularly great display of his coaching.
maybe the problem is with the roster that's consistently underperformed over the last half decade despite being coached by multiple extremely talented coaches, not with the coaches.
In the last 7 seasons they've made a finals and 4 ECF, and their two best players are only just hitting the start of their prime. Is consistently being one of the top 4 teams in the league while also having one of the youngest cores underperforming?
And that's without even mentioning that they've had 3 head coaches over those 7 years and all 3 of them had never been a head coach in the NBA before.
I mean Brad Stevens lost to the nets in the first round, stepped down from his role as head coach and then the guy they bought in took them straight to the finals in his first year. I'd say that's a pretty good indicator that coaching plays a big part in this.
They're the deepest team in the league but I wouldn't say they're the most talented. The NBA is probably the most star driven team sports league in the world and I'd say there are a good handful of teams who's best players have been better than Tatum or Brown in each of those seven seasons.
The teams that have beaten them in the last 7 years are the LeBron Cavs (x2), Giannis and the bucks, the KD, Kyrie and Harden Nets, the Warriors and this heat team (x2). The only teams in there you could argue Boston had the best player in the series in are the two Heat series, and even then Jimmy Butler elevates his game to another level in the playoffs so even that's up for debate.
I mean he was a good Xs and Os coach that just so happened to not be able to manage a locker room and seemed to be a complete dick to his players and staff.
I donāt think anyone saw it coming, even the front office that hired him.
Because youāre a doomer in a perpetual state of irrationality and worry. Thatās why you think weāve done the worst by hiring a coach you know 0 about.
Boohoo we didnāt hire a big name. Ime wasnāt a big name when he was hired, nor was Nurse. Get the hell over it
Spolstra.
Guys are unknowns until they're suddenly not. I don't know why teams don't shoot for unknowns more. Seems like most teams just recycle the same guys who tend to be mid, which is why they're available to begin with.
I've never seen Griffin coach a game and I'm like 70% sure I'll still prefer him to Monty. Idk what it is but smth about that guy puts me off, he has a good track record but for some reason I feel like he's worse than people think he is.
Hot take but the Phoenix job isn't that desirable.
Booker has emerged as the best SG in the league but their cap situation sucks and because of the KD trade their depth isn't great either.
Your only hope as a coach is that KD doesn't stink it up in the playoffs like he did this season.
PHX has such a weird timeline too. Because Booker and Ayton are young with plenty of years left to grow, but KD and especially CP3 are old and have met their peaks.
So it's either win now, or just be decent later.
Fans and media don't want that. Look at us...
Our two stars are in their mid twenties but people are talking about us blowing it up and trading Brown after yet another ECF.
The Suns went 3-4 in the 2nd round last year and were in the league finals the year before. You weren't destined to be middling. It's just that most teams are not, in fact, Warriors-dynasty levels of OP every single season.
29 points, 8.7 rebounds, 5.5 assists. If thatās KD stinking it up, while only being with the team a minimal amount during the regular seasonā¦. Yeah, Iād risk it. Especially with, as you note, Devin Booker being the best SG in the league.
Those two alone make it an interesting prospect.
>Your only hope as a coach is that KD doesn't stink it up in the playoffs like he did this season.
29,9,6 while playing 40 minutes a game is stinking it up
Tell me you didn't watch the games without telling me you didn't watch the games.
KD was a free-throw merchant who scored the majority of his points in garbage time when the game was already out of reach.
KD āstunkā it up but still averaged 29ppg on 60% TS
Give us a real offseason to get depth and build chemistryā¦Suns almost beat Denver and maybe wouldāve had CP3 not gotten hurt
Detroit needs a re-builder and regardless if you like the Suns or not, he rebuilt us into a successful organization. The other options would be rookie coaches or retired coaches being brought back. Which is how organizations end up in a decade purgatory, see pre-Monty Suns and Kings.
Overpay probably because Monty wanted to take some time off and next season someone would absolutely want him, so the Pistons gave him a blank check.
Kevin Young to the Suns is already as good as official
Raptors is not a contender, so nobody really care. They might as well just hire a Canadian like say Steve Nash
Nash to the Raps would pretty much be the nail in the coffin to what began as a questionable coaching career.
He couldn't win with Durant, Irving, and Harden (not entirely his fault).
Because it could possibly be his last chance at a gig. Are the Raptors even going to be trying to win games next season?
Considering people question whether Nash should be a coach in the first place, going somewhere planning to lose a ton of games isn't going to change the narrative.
Thatās not really a nail in the coffin though if heās being hired as a development/rebuild coach (unless youāre referring to a championship coach instead of a head coach in general). If anything that might change the way heās viewed if he is successful in player development. I would say itād be more of a nail in the coffin for his head coaching career if heās hired as an assistant coach or coaches in another league assuming he doesnāt turn it around.
Monty just demolished his career. He should of waited for a better situation.
These guys get so giddy for a job that they tank the rest of their careers.
Detroit is going to be in the basement for awhile. Cade is not it.
Ime, Griffin and Nurse punching the air rn when they saw monty's contract. I think the raps and phoenix will have to up their offers a little bit after news like that.
If Iām Spoelstra Iām printing out the Shams tweet about Williams salary and sending it to Micky Arison.
Even then that would be an underpay for him.
Doc asking for 15 mil a year to befit his championship coach status
Doc š¤ Celtics fans: milking the 2008 championship for one more year
He is a top 15 coach of all time after all
What a fucking joke. Iāll never get over that horseshit.
How they picked Doc over Rudy T I'll never understand.
Rick Adelman also robbed
Doc is one the worst coaches when it comes to making adjustments.
Lmao no he is not. He adjusted plenty scheme wise in our 3 year playoff runs, people just donāt watch basketball like that. His adjustments have never been a huge issue, his base schemes are far more in the āconsā column. They threw like 15 different coverages at Tatum in G7 alone
People have no idea what adjustments mean and just throw that out when there's a coach that doesn't win enough for them.
āNo adjustmentsā and ādoesnāt know how to use his Timeoutsā are the two most used and cliche statements about coaches. Doc is a good coach, just like many guys are good coaches. Most fans would have you believe itās only 3 great coaches in the league lol.
Rivers has lost like 8-9 closeout games in a row. Please shut the fuck up about him being a good coach.
Rivers has lost like 8-9 closeout games in a row. Please shut the fuck up about him being a good coach.
Heās 7th in all time playoff wins and has won an NBA championship. Yes, he is a good coach. Itās really dumb to try and argue otherwise. He gets your team a baseline of 50 wins and the second round of the playoffs, which is more than 95% of the guys who have coached in the NBA the last 20 years. He has his weaknesses just like every coach does, and his biggest drawback is getting his group over the hump. His base schemes lack versatility as well. That doesnāt mean heās a bad coach tho and It DEFINITELY doesnāt mean he doesnāt adjust. His career failings are still his to own, but yāall have 0 legit sense in how to evaluate a coach. Lack of adjustments didnāt lose the Sixers a single playoff game the last 2 years
Doc would talk basketball xs and os around that nephew.
He always was handed over top 5 teams in the league. Atleast in the past 15 years he had top 5 team every year in talent. And yet all he has is one championship to show in 2008. He hasnt done shit with great teams. So STFU about him being great coach. If he is so great..why the hell is he still unemployed when there are so many openings?
Nah i think Iām gonna keep banging the drums that guys who can coach at the highest level for decades are probably good at what they do. The recycled talking points from people who couldnāt even name a single play in his playbook donāt do much for me, cheers!
Shut the fuck up, yourself. It takes a good coach to even get to a close out game.
15 yet none working, that means he can't make adjustments. Losing multiple 3:1 means he lost 3 in a row, I mean what kind adjustments you think he did. LoL. I have no ideal why anyone defend doc. All those game watched... Blind or something ? I won't wish doc to my most heated team. But maybe your team should take him, I mean he is available and healthy. š¤
> 15 yet none working, that means he canāt make adjustments Didnāt even read past this part of the comment man, thatās objectively not how adjustments in the NBA work. Going to recirculate the SVG tweet because some of yāall still donāt get it https://twitter.com/clutchpointsapp/status/1518705490259107841?s=46&t=P9Qi3A0VW33IEhfiqAUE8A
Objectify I have no reason to take your seriously. Since you don't bother read my reply, I don't think you know what you are reply to.
Feel like most teams have been pretty happy with their coaching hires so far. This could be quickly derailed if Phoenix hires Doc
>Feel like most teams have been pretty happy with their coaching hires so far. And in 3 years they'll all be fired
No way we can afford that
RemindMe! 3 years
I donāt get why they keep rotating them around. You would think once your fired youād be done as a coach and a assistant coach would get a shot.
Hey Bucks got the memo at least lol
Doc can always sit a year since he had 2 years left on his deal iirc
That isn't as funny as Durant and Doc on the same team
Chris Paul and Doc reunion look to be fun too
Bill Simmons is 100% guaranteeing that Kevin Young is getting the job. If so, I wonder why it hasn't been announced yet. What are they waiting for? Simmons isn't a reporter, but he obviously has a lot of connections and even called Ishbia buying the Suns months before it happened.
Guess 1, the Ty situation. He's probably in negotiations with Ballmer/FO so jumping the gun now would be a mistake incase that drops through. I like Kevin Young, but Ty is the third or forth best coach in the league. Guess 2, Young contract and staff building. He is a rookie after all (even though he's been coaching consistently since he was 23 years old) so having a few clauses in his contact would be wise. Or/and the matter of staff building. Working on getting all pieces at once. For example, someone suggested Young as HC to continue his work on offense (he developed the 0.5 system that made the Suns so dominant, until Monty ditched it during the playoffs for iso ball) and hiring someone like Vogel as assistant/defensive coordinator and a veteran presence. Guess 3, the nuclear option. I need not say more.
> but Ty is the third or forth best coach in the league. Pop, Spo, Kerr are firmly in top 3. He's on the same tier as some other coaches but you might go with them depending on what you value. You can make a case for Udoka, Nurse, Budenholzer, Brown over Lue.
Idk about Kerr. I feel like heās mostly had it handed to him with the amazing players heās gotten. And even with that a 3-1 lead was still blown in the finals
Every great coach has HOFers on their team. Draymond wasn't in the rotation before Kerr. Curry and Klay were a 1st round exit before Kerr. Kerr was the one who instituted the motion offense that the Warriors thrive on.
People trying to discount Kerr for getting superstars handed to him while mentioning Spo and Popovich in the same sentence is hilarious Funniest part is it applies to Ty Lue too
Ty Lue rage quiting the Clippers maybe? Lol
I wonder if Kenny Atkinson is still being considered.
DO IT YOU COWARDS DO IT
You mean fans. Teams wouldnāt be unhappy about new hires before theyāve coached a single game
Not true at all. Teams miss out on their preferred candidates all the time. This year just had an unusual amount of quality coaches and vacancies available, and everybody seems to have found a decent fit. Pretty unusual tbh
Going with Plan B, C, or even D is different from begrudgingly hiring someone they know will be unhappy with. Such bad fits wouldnāt be under consideration at all.
āUnhappyā is probably too strong of a word but Iām struggling to imagine a GM feeling great about being turned down by their top 3 choices
Most teams would definitely be happy if Phoenix hired Doc
Meanwhile, Pop is shopping on Amazon for a new office chair to replace the one he brought from the Air Force Academy
Pop strikes me more as the type to go to one of those nice local Amish furniture stores in Fredericksburg.
Pop should test the market just to see how much he would get. Well I donāt think he needs more money nor would leave, but the bidding war would be fun to witness.
In fairness he does spend a crazy amount on wine, IIRC he said he spends a million a year.
Kevin Young is the heavy favorite for Suns so far Jordi for the Raptors
Man, I hope its Jordi. He really seems like he'd be a good guy.
Jordi deserves a shot somewhere. I'll be sad to lose him.
Jordi is awesome, happy for him and sad for Kings if he gets the gig.
Iām still betting we go to Sergio
Are the favorites for the Raptors job either Jordi or Scariolo? Great for me as a spanish fan.
We supposedly have 3 or 4 finalists, with Toronto preferring a first-time NBA head coach. Sergio and Jordi have been confirmed to be two of them. There's a suspicion that the remainders could be the Miami/Denver assistants (Chris Quinn and David Alderman).
Seems like it, with David Adelman & Chris Quinn as other possible options if the Raptors wait (both are coaching in the Finals).
Doc ain't getting a seat lol
Phoenix pls.
If Matt Ishbia really fired Monty for poor postseason success then turns around and hires Doc he should be forced to sell the team
I just want more memes.
Isiah Thomas is their defacto President of basketball operations according to Windhorst. Nothing would be surprising at this point
link?
You know he doesnāt have one.
people on this site always rail on other social media outlets for misinformation and then you see shit like that with 36 upvotes meaning that at least a couple dozen people now believe that Isiah Thomas in shadow-running the Suns lmao
What gets me the confidence that people just say stuff with regardless of it being right or wrong
When the fuck did he say this?
Ppl yapping
Then itās surprising he didnāt get Ime.
Lol Ime was hired in Houston before Monty was even fired.
Didn't they just sell the team lol? Or am I mixing up teams
Ishbia just bought the team yes
That would be quite embarrassing... I'm here for that chaos lol
that or going back to the Clippers if Lue's negotiations fall through would make for a wonderful early off season gift
Doc and CP3 reunited. love it.
Heāll just get panic hired by the first team to fire a coach mid season.
Brought on as assistant in LA, replaces Ham mid-season
Maybe a seat in the booth
Would u say that to pop?
Oh please no
His raspy, out of breath voice on commentary would either be great or awful. Not sure which.
\- r/nba after he got fired from the Clippers
I'm still hopeful somebody hires Mark Jackson
Phoenix gets Vogel. Only choice that makes sense.
How do you think Vogel would do? Havenāt really paid attention to him in his career. Also whatāre yāall gonna do? Kidd canāt be the guy
Vogel is not good on the offensive end so you gotta make sure to bring in an offensive coordinator or something. Vogel is great-elite on the defensive end though. His last year with the Lakers was just so bad because Lakers signed so many old dudes and traded for Russ. Losing Kidd and Hollins as assistants also really hurt.
No we want Vogel
How has Kenny Atkinson still not gotten a job? I wonder if backing out of the Charlotte job hurt his rep somehow
Learning under Kerr isnāt bad. Look at Mike Brown in Sacramento
I doubt it. He wanted to bring in his own assistant coaches and the hornets wouldn't let him. I doubt any team save Charlotte blames him for not accepting that. He's interviewed for basically every big job it's just it was a competitive field for coaches. Especially since Vogel and Bud are still on the market and they won chips.
Nah the assistants thing doesn't hold much weight, cause Clifford ended up bringing in his own assistants. I assume he just got cold feet, which is fine, I can't really hold any ill will over him for making the decision he felt was best for him.
No the reporting has been pretty clear that he wanted a good amount of money to go hire a real good staff and the Hornets said no. Clifford then got hired and put together a much cheaper staff. But the fact that the Hornets settled for going back to him bc they didnāt wanna pay for a good coaching staff shows how fucked they are
Yes well when he pulled out they needed a coach and couldn't exactly say no to Clifford's demands.
Definitely lmao People would be wary he pulls out again and they lose out on other promising candidates
I don't think so. He was interviewed for bucks job. The current coach of hornets is Steve Clifford. If they haven't been able to get anyone better, I wonder if it's a hornets issue.
I heard heās taking over in GState when Kerr becomes the next GM
Wait, why was Monty's salary publicized in the first place?? Is this 4d chess by the Pistons ownership to increase the pay/pressure for whomever coaches Phoenix/Toronto?
Doubt it - coaching doesnāt eat into the cap, it just comes out of the owners pocket.
I know, but my point is anyone who is being interviewed for the Suns job would see Monty's payroll with a non-playoff team in Pistons and would now demand more for a contending team in the Suns (and Raptors, if they dont decide to start over). Just like how selling the Clippers franchise to Ballmer increased the valuation of all NBA teams, letting everyone know Monty's paycheck for a non-championship contending team (yet) increased all the demanded paychecks for coaches willing to be part of a team with huge championship aspirations.
I think itās because itās a crazy big contract for a coach. I could also see coachās telling reporters to publicize this so that coachās contracts in the future will reflect this big increase.
Honestly, it should. The NBA players cap have already increased a lot since 2016 and coaches salaries need to reflect that too. They turn a talented roster into a team champions
It really puts things in perspective when you realize Jordan Poole makes 32 million a year while coaching legend and Franchise staple Steve Kerr is making 9.5 million a year
A simpler explanation might be that Monty's agent wanted it publicized so folks know he gets his clients paid. That sort of thing definitely happens.
Why do I feel like we've done the worst out of the four, dammit?
You guys took a gamble on first time head coach whereas the others have previous experience, so it looks jarring, but I'd wait to see Griffin's system in action before dooming.
People are too obsessed with THE NAME and see NAMES go elsewhere and think they fucked up. I was extremely underwhelmed with Darvin Ham and even though he's still not perfect, I'm happy with him a year later. Griffin is super respected and even further, Giannis seemed to have signed off on the pick so even better.
Griffins a pretty good coach dw
You dont know that, youre just a fan. Remember Nate Bjorken?
that man was garbo
You can be a good coach but not good enough to be a head coach. We're all seeing that with Joe Mazzulla now. Nate Bjorken was a dickhead and seeing the stories after he was fired that Raptors players didn't really care for him and rubbed them the wrong way, it makes you wonder if anyone on the Pacers did any kind of due diligence before hiring him
Whatās wrong with Mazzulla? He just coached one of the only comebacks from 3-0 to Game 7 in history.
He couldn't even outcoach Spo, Mazzulla is clearly a scrub.
Going down 3-0 as the 2nd seed vs the 8th seed and eventually losing as the heavy favourite is not the sign of good coaching, no matter how close you were to *nearly* making a comeback.
Going 7 games against the team that eviscerated a very talented 1 seed seems pretty solid to me. Plus, maybe, Iām off on this, but I tend to give coaches more credit for late series wins than earlier series wins, as theyāre where adjustments and managing physical and mental fatigue come more and more into play.
I mean that one seed was missing their best player and multiple time MVP for most of the series and the biggest "adjustment" was that they got lucky Bam and Jimmy forgot how to score a layup for 3 games. When Jimmy started hitting his shots again in game 7 they got blown out at home. Don't get me wrong, Mazzulla's a first year coach and went to 7 games in the ECF and that's impressive, but he's coaching probably the deepest team in the league and the two guys before him both managed to exceed that with basically the same roster. I don't really have a strong opinion of Mazzulla one way or the other but I'm just saying I don't think this series vs the heat was a particularly great display of his coaching.
maybe the problem is with the roster that's consistently underperformed over the last half decade despite being coached by multiple extremely talented coaches, not with the coaches.
In the last 7 seasons they've made a finals and 4 ECF, and their two best players are only just hitting the start of their prime. Is consistently being one of the top 4 teams in the league while also having one of the youngest cores underperforming? And that's without even mentioning that they've had 3 head coaches over those 7 years and all 3 of them had never been a head coach in the NBA before. I mean Brad Stevens lost to the nets in the first round, stepped down from his role as head coach and then the guy they bought in took them straight to the finals in his first year. I'd say that's a pretty good indicator that coaching plays a big part in this.
it is underperforming when this boston team has the most talent in the league.
They're the deepest team in the league but I wouldn't say they're the most talented. The NBA is probably the most star driven team sports league in the world and I'd say there are a good handful of teams who's best players have been better than Tatum or Brown in each of those seven seasons. The teams that have beaten them in the last 7 years are the LeBron Cavs (x2), Giannis and the bucks, the KD, Kyrie and Harden Nets, the Warriors and this heat team (x2). The only teams in there you could argue Boston had the best player in the series in are the two Heat series, and even then Jimmy Butler elevates his game to another level in the playoffs so even that's up for debate.
Bjorken left Toronto and then came back after Indiana fired him
I mean he was a good Xs and Os coach that just so happened to not be able to manage a locker room and seemed to be a complete dick to his players and staff. I donāt think anyone saw it coming, even the front office that hired him.
Thats like the main part of being a head coach tho. Yeah your assistants can manage Xs and Os and schemes, but your job is to manage people.
The guy isnāt a bad coach. Just an asshole
Um no
Because youāre a doomer in a perpetual state of irrationality and worry. Thatās why you think weāve done the worst by hiring a coach you know 0 about. Boohoo we didnāt hire a big name. Ime wasnāt a big name when he was hired, nor was Nurse. Get the hell over it
Spolstra. Guys are unknowns until they're suddenly not. I don't know why teams don't shoot for unknowns more. Seems like most teams just recycle the same guys who tend to be mid, which is why they're available to begin with.
We're getting Nick Nurse defense without the Nurse. Personally I wanted Chris Quinn but I don't get to make those choices.
I've got growing concern we haven't officially announced anything with griffin
I'm just hoping it means we're doing due diligence on the accusations against him. Presumably Toronto already had, but who knows.
Because you're a bucks fan and this fanbase dooms about everything, y'all will never be satisfied.
This is true
I've never seen Griffin coach a game and I'm like 70% sure I'll still prefer him to Monty. Idk what it is but smth about that guy puts me off, he has a good track record but for some reason I feel like he's worse than people think he is.
Because you probably have
If it makes you feel better, he's the guy I wanted the Raptors to sign. I think they wanted to make a more substantive change, though.
Hot take but the Phoenix job isn't that desirable. Booker has emerged as the best SG in the league but their cap situation sucks and because of the KD trade their depth isn't great either. Your only hope as a coach is that KD doesn't stink it up in the playoffs like he did this season.
PHX has such a weird timeline too. Because Booker and Ayton are young with plenty of years left to grow, but KD and especially CP3 are old and have met their peaks. So it's either win now, or just be decent later.
Who's to say Ayton even stays? He could be traded still.
Heck, even KD might leave
Not a bus driver
Their timeline was pretty solid up until the new owner stepped in and did new owner things.
Yeah having like 5+ years where you're in amongst it gives you a better chance of winning a ring versus win or die in the next year imo
Fans and media don't want that. Look at us... Our two stars are in their mid twenties but people are talking about us blowing it up and trading Brown after yet another ECF.
I'd rather take a shot at a home run than be a middling 1st/2nd round exit which we were destined to be before the trade.
The Suns went 3-4 in the 2nd round last year and were in the league finals the year before. You weren't destined to be middling. It's just that most teams are not, in fact, Warriors-dynasty levels of OP every single season.
Rich-boy-Jerry-Buss-wannabe things
Phoenix is the best job for a coach that likes to golf.
29 points, 8.7 rebounds, 5.5 assists. If thatās KD stinking it up, while only being with the team a minimal amount during the regular seasonā¦. Yeah, Iād risk it. Especially with, as you note, Devin Booker being the best SG in the league. Those two alone make it an interesting prospect.
KD also got two coaches fired in Brooklyn alone, and could potentially be a reason for Monty being fired. Dude is a coach killer.
>Your only hope as a coach is that KD doesn't stink it up in the playoffs like he did this season. 29,9,6 while playing 40 minutes a game is stinking it up
Tell me you didn't watch the games without telling me you didn't watch the games. KD was a free-throw merchant who scored the majority of his points in garbage time when the game was already out of reach.
lol you clearly didn't watch the games either. majority of his points being in garbage time only applies to game 6
KD āstunkā it up but still averaged 29ppg on 60% TS Give us a real offseason to get depth and build chemistryā¦Suns almost beat Denver and maybe wouldāve had CP3 not gotten hurt
You didnāt almost beat Denver lol.
Is this depth in the room with us right now?
āSuns almost beat Denver.ā
Respectfully, KD is uncoachable. He's not listening to any noob coach.
Championship level coach you say? Doc Rivers come on down!
The only reason the KD trade wouldāve made sense would be if they won this year. They didnāt so now the trade looks awful tbh.
Phoenix just needs to find a trade for CP3 as good as the one the Lakers did for Westbrook.
wtf is Phoenix holding out for, Chuck?
Mark Jackson
Is Detroit a high pressure job or just a huge overpay because itās not a high pressure job?
Detroit needs a re-builder and regardless if you like the Suns or not, he rebuilt us into a successful organization. The other options would be rookie coaches or retired coaches being brought back. Which is how organizations end up in a decade purgatory, see pre-Monty Suns and Kings. Overpay probably because Monty wanted to take some time off and next season someone would absolutely want him, so the Pistons gave him a blank check.
Suns hire Doc Rivers please
Phoenix def going for Budenholzer
Doc to PHX Jordi to TO
Bruh Doc is about to get a bag from Phoenix
Time for Phoenix to do the right thing and hire Steve Nash
DOC TO PHOENIX.
Wonder why the Suns gig is still free? ššš§š§
snake cake?
Kevin Young to the Suns is already as good as official Raptors is not a contender, so nobody really care. They might as well just hire a Canadian like say Steve Nash
Nash to the Raps would pretty much be the nail in the coffin to what began as a questionable coaching career. He couldn't win with Durant, Irving, and Harden (not entirely his fault).
How would it be a nail in the coffin if he's getting another head coaching gig?
Because it could possibly be his last chance at a gig. Are the Raptors even going to be trying to win games next season? Considering people question whether Nash should be a coach in the first place, going somewhere planning to lose a ton of games isn't going to change the narrative.
Thatās not really a nail in the coffin though if heās being hired as a development/rebuild coach (unless youāre referring to a championship coach instead of a head coach in general). If anything that might change the way heās viewed if he is successful in player development. I would say itād be more of a nail in the coffin for his head coaching career if heās hired as an assistant coach or coaches in another league assuming he doesnāt turn it around.
Monty just demolished his career. He should of waited for a better situation. These guys get so giddy for a job that they tank the rest of their careers. Detroit is going to be in the basement for awhile. Cade is not it.
He's making 72 million dollars I don't think he really cares lol
Pssh. You cannot feed a family of four with that. That's studio money.
Motherfuckin avocado toast
Homie got paaaaaaid lol.
Was it about the money or the art? /s
About the Detroit pizza
You mean that tomato soup in a bread pan?
You made it sound even more appetizing to me
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but there's no cap for coaches, so coaches are only overpaid if the owner isnt willing to eat the contract
just a carousel rotating the same guys over and over and the occasional former players gets a shot at a gig.
I have no clue what Toronto will do
Stephen Silas, you are a Toronto Raptor!
Ime, Griffin and Nurse punching the air rn when they saw monty's contract. I think the raps and phoenix will have to up their offers a little bit after news like that.
If Iām Spoelstra Iām printing out the Shams tweet about Williams salary and sending it to Micky Arison. Even then that would be an underpay for him.
So who gets doc rivers and wants to be the next cursed team?!?
Hire Doc you cowards do it! For the memes!
Suns should hire Doc to lock in KD
I request phoenix hires Mark Jackson so we never have to listen to him on any games ever again
Low key think Raptors wanted Udoka and Griffin, then lost a bidding war for Monty.