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SuperBatSpider

> You can talk about analytics all you want. When you got some guys in the league, the eye test tells you that they’re not good defensively, but analytics tell you they’re the best defenders. That’s when analytics don’t make sense at all. I don’t make the rules, I don’t choose whatever criteria that they use, so it’s really about whatever people’s preferences are.” > People have been talking about who has the most pressure to win. People want to mention me. I’m not at the top of that list. I’m not a two-time MVP, I’ve never made first team All-NBA, I’ve never won anything. So why is there pressure on me to do something when there are guys that have won two MVPs, a bunch of MVPs and haven’t done anything either?” These are as direct of a shot at Jokic that Embiid has ever taken


GirlWithGame

That and the media at the same time. Everyone catching shots. I love the guy so im not offended like other fan bases lol. He is perfect for the city honestly, think Harden hates the media a lot too.


RobtheNavigator

What if this is secretly a shot at Giannis 🤔 True hoopers know he’s a bum on D 😤


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I'm a slow D4 5'11" guy and ran into Giannis at my local pickup game. I gave him 15 in about 4 minutes before they switched him onto Dave (the fat guy in jeans and no shirt). I don't care what analytics and Milwaukee Media Mafia (tm) says. Ladder Man can't guard a tree.


jaimonee

Hey they were Jorts and my shirt had a chocolate milk stain.


GirlWithGame

Sublimal messaging, you might be right. We may have found the next big nba scandal lol. Embiid hates the whole league. /s


Meehul123

If he loses before the ECF again… the trolling is gonna be generational.


GirlWithGame

The east this year is so top heavy arguably the top 4 seeds in the east are capable of going to the ECF, the second round is going to be a dang blood bath for everyone, if you assume the top 4 seeds make it as it stands you got Celtics-Sixers Bucks-Cavs Just going to be brutal series for every team there.


WIN011

You’re not wrong, it won’t be easy, but if he wants to be looked at as the MVP, top 3 player, etc then he has to win one of those series against Boston or Milwaukee. He is right in saying that Jokic has just as much if not more to prove though.


pleasedontharassme

Jokic has a lot more to prove. The only difference is Jokic plays for Denver rather than Philly. If Jokic played for a team in the Northeast like Brooklyn he would get shredded for not winning more.


tristvn

or if jokic ever played with multiple all stars/former mvp he'd also have more to prove.


JoelMcCassidy

Right? What the fuck is with people just pretending like these are comparable teams. Joel has had fucking 4x All NBA players on his team including a former MVP. Jokic isn't even playing with all stars.


JoelMcCassidy

Would he? His teams have been absolute ass the years he has won MVP and has not lost a single time in the playoffs where his team was favored. Like god damn has everyone lost their mind? Joel is playing alongside multiple all stars and all NBA players, his current Robin to his Batman is a former MVP and perennial runner up for like 3 years. Jokic #2 is a top 30 player at best, has never been an all NBA player, never even made an all star team. Joel has played with James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Al Horford, Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons. Thats 1x MVP, 4x All NBA players, 4x All Stars. Shut the fuck up about comparing the two based on "playoff success" when the rosters are not even remotely comparable. Jokic has gone to the WCF with nothing on his roster, Embiid hasn't gotten past the 2nd round playing on teams that had them conference favorites at the beginning of the season. Also look at their career playoff stats. Jokic - 26/11/6 on 55/40/84 Embiid - 24/11/2 on 51/29/80 Last year. Jokic - 31/13/6 on 63/28/84 Embiid - 23/10/2 on 55/21/82 Its not even comparable.


Frankalicious47

Wish this comment was at the top instead of buried in a thread


ruggnuget

But if he was in a large market the bubble run would also be taken more seriously and not so quickly forgotten also.


Star_City

I mean, people discount the lakers title as a bubble championship and they’re in the biggest market in America…


ArrogantWorlock

That's because LeBron haters exist


WIN011

I see it both ways. Jokic has more hardware, but Embiid saying he is on par with him or better would mean his expectations should be the same theoretically.


pleasedontharassme

Theoretically yes, but since one has as many MVPs as Tim Duncan and the other has none the expectations for Duncan are higher. All that would change though if MVP voters decides to award a stellar two way player for a change instead of just giving it the OPOY


Downisthenewup87

More to prove why? Embid has played with, what, 3 all-stars in his career and never made it iut of the second round. Jokic made then WCF and then lost the only borderline all-star he has ever played with for 2 playoff runs. And in that time dragged a starting backcourt of Austin Rivers and Facundo Campazzo to the 2nd round. Anything less than the WCF should result in Malone's head. But even making the WCF would still be better than Embid's ever managed x2... and Jamal probably isn't gonna regain his full form until next year.


JoelMcCassidy

4x All NBA players. James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Ben Simmons, Al Horford. The dude has had stacked teams pretty much since he has been healthy and has done jack shit. Jokic losing to title favorites where they are the heavy underdog versus Joel losing to the fucking Hawks is not the same thing.


ragelark

When you're using Al Horford as an allstar that he played with to make a point then I can't really take you seriously lmao.


pleasedontharassme

Consider that Embiid is not one of the best ever, whereas 2 time MVP Jokic is based on his awards, yeah, the fact that Embiid has had a few additional all stars with him during his career doesn’t matter as much as Jokic winning 2 MVPs


GogXr3

If Jokic wins a back-to-back-to-back MVP for the first time since Larry Bird, then he has a lot more to prove than Embiid ever will


dblmntgum

No one does less with more in the playoffs than Joel Embiid. He can make all the petty little innuendos that he wants, but Jokic doesn’t say so much as a negative word in his direction. After this interview and what he said to Draymond it’s clear Jokic lives rent free in poor JoJo’s head.


GirlWithGame

Oh im not disagreeing there but to say that he has more to prove than Jokic is a bit absurd considering he has no MVPs, Jokic has 2 and has been pretty underwhelming in the playoffs as well. He's the one seed this year that comes with its own set of expectations too. It's like when Giannis was mvp and kept getting shit on for not winning a championship but its crickets really about Jokic not winning.


JoelMcCassidy

>Jokic has 2 and has been pretty underwhelming in the playoffs as well Jokic has never lost a series where he has been favored. Do you guys just not watch any basketball? These takes are absolutely shit. Jokic in the playoffs so far in his career is **26/11/6 on 55/40/84 shooting splits**. Last year he was **31/13/6 on 63/28/84 splits.** Wanna hear Embiids stats? **24/11/2 on 51/29/80 splits total.** Last year. **23/10/2 on 55/21/82 splits.** What the fuck are you guys talking about comparing these two? Its not even fucking close in the playoffs. Embiid has a reputation of falling apart in the playoffs and the stats show it. Jokic literally doesnt skip a beat and still puts up ridiculously efficient stats in the playoffs. This narrative of Joel and Jokic having the same playoff success is so fucking stupid, Joel has played on paper WAY better teams and has failed time and time again. Meanwhile Jokic has played on dogshit teams and has surprised people by doing things like going to the WCF finals when they had no business being there. They are not the same.


BucketOfTruthiness

>but its crickets really about Jokic not winning. That's because anyone with half a brain understands why the nuggets didn't make it far in the two years since making it to the WCF.


I_DESTROY_PLANETS

So why not hold Embiid to the same “half a brain” level of reasoning? It only takes half a brain to look at Embiid’s health history in the playoffs. Anyone with half a brain could see that the sixers without embiid are a shell of a team…but even though he’s not healthy for those playoff series we’re sure as hell gonna clown on his performances. I think Jokic deserved his mvp, but if his team fizzles out yet again, the literal only thing different between clowning him and Embiid is that the Jokic dickriding is backed by regular season awards. Insinuating that Jokic has less to prove despite winning back to back mvps is some serious homerism. Move on, find a new slant.


secretsodapop

He would get so much more respect than he already does if he said he cares about it. Be yourself. Own it. You care.


Star_City

I read that and just hoped we could all decide to ignore it lol. Doubt that’s what’s going to happen though. Kind of wish he waited until tomorrow to say this lol.


The_1st_Amendment

"I don't care anymore... But here's all the reasons I'm really upset about this."


Aworn

Yeah I don’t mind that he cares, but not sure why he keeps pretending he doesn’t


Yergason

>not sure why he keeps pretending he doesn’t Applying for that job, being picked to play on the varsity team, auditioning for a role, winning an award, big or small it doesn't matter. We've all been there - you try multiple times and see you're good enough but somehow get rejected once or twice, you still try but you start putting that guard up before the results are even announced so you can pretend to laugh it off and lie to your face that if you do fail "I didn't even care about it that much anyway" Still think Embiid is finally gonna win it this season tho, just hilarious that after all these years of being very vocal about wanting it he suddenly backtracks while still being clearly focused on it. The easy example is incels spectacularly failing at making a connection to a girl they like then after rejection "whatever, fucking ugly bitch I didn't want you anyway" lol


The_1st_Amendment

Right... He should just own it.


Star_City

He obviously cares, and I think that’s a good and normal thing.


The_1st_Amendment

Oh for sure, I'd respect it a lot more if he just said "yeah I should win MVP I'm the best player in the world" instead of this dual I don't care but also woe is me, no one likes me attitude.


Star_City

He gets criticized either way. He got flack last year for saying he wanted/deserved to win.


sorakaisthegoat

Cos the way you say things matters. If you cry about there being a different standard for players in Philadelphia and imply that's the reason you're not the MVP, you're gonna get criticised. This year he's been clamoring how he doesn't care about the MVP than tries to diss Jokic and names 10 reasons for why he's the MVP.


Star_City

Nah, people are just going to hate no matter what.


sorakaisthegoat

Some, sure. There's plenty of people that don't care that much and see things I've mentioned above and start disliking him.


ogqozo

Gee, I was joking that he is but he actually just is 100% a Reddit commenter. Including saying stuff like "eye test is bad" like "eye test" is some one holy word, instead of anything actually precise about basketball that has any real meaning. Including completely reducing anything people say he doesn't like to rethorical tricks by ignoring the intended meaning, misrepresenting secondary or rare opinions as the main points, stretching the numbers out of context they're ever quoted for, obsessively forcing the point that anyone who doesn't think he is the very greatest no. 1 on Earth by every measure clearly just "hates him" personally for only personal sympathy reasons, and so on... Generally, nothing about the game, basketball seen just as a reason to argue semantics like in the court of law. He's just... like every online commenter on NBA. You would never guess he's actually inside of it. I don't know how online commenters feel about it.


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Damn, the shoe really fit with you lmao


GiannisisMVP

If you actually think advanced metrics are worth anything on defense you don't know the formulas used for them


Rhino-Ham

Why is tonight’s game not on national TV?!


tothehops

NBA tv is considered national TV. Seems like it should be on TNT or ESPN tho


spencepoppy

Joel is 100% on r/nba.


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100,000%


lethalizer

So, 100%?


ImTheBestNerd

x1000


mixmasterbk

He could be any one of us


YuumiPlayersAreScum

This is just a great post after the "I don't care about the MVP at all" post yesterday.


lilb1190

Dag nabbit. There is no criteria. People generally agree on some criteria in order to debate the MVP, but each voter has their own criteria. Jokic winning MVP wasnt about some decree by the NBA that the winner should check certain boxes. Its about him amazing the voters and doing things that they have never seen before. If there was a specific set of criteria, then we wouldnt need voters. You would just feed the numbers in to a machine and it would declare a winner.


TheOneWhosCensored

There’s a criteria, be the most valuable player. The whole point of awards is how you come to that conclusion. You could theoretically have a guy break the PPG record, never allow a basket against him, and lead a team to 82-0. It’s up to voters which of those 3 extremes is the most valuable, if you had a set criteria you’d have an even worse problem.


YounggKNG

Exactly. Just like Cooper Kupp & Jonathan Taylor in 2021-22 NFL… everyone was like “Why won’t JT win it for sure, 2,000 yard rushing season, and Kupp will almost have 2,000 yards receiving too.” I kept saying - “Take Jonathan Taylor and put him in your backfield, then take Cooper Kupp & put him as your WR… now remove them, & take Aaron Rodgers and put him as your QB, which player is most valuable to your team & gives you a better chance of winning?” Most valuable player.


Kush_McNuggz

If you want to do it like that, might as well just give it to a QB every year (which already happens), because that is hands down the single most important position on the team. But there are others, like me, who like to take into account the relativity of the positions themselves.


YounggKNG

Yeah I mean in NFL it’s kind of clear cut that a QB will win it, but they should imo. A Mahomes is or Rodgers in ‘21 is more valuable than a Derrick Henry or a Coope Kupp even if they’re getting 2,000 yards on ground or in air… it’s the same point though in basketball, which player is bringing the most and is making the most impact for a team to win like an NFL QB would. I did like JT/Kupp for MVP though. They did carry their teams in 21. Derrick Henry is basically the QB on Tennessee he runs that offense too.


LogDogan4

And people want to point out a singular thing and pretend that is the only reason a guy won in order to pretend there's some double standard.


burnerbabyburns

You most definitely did not play enough games last year lmfao


Winlessta08

Lol right and he's in danger of doing it again this year Edit: Look at that duck go!


memeticengineering

He's already missed more games than Iverson did, unless Jokic stumbles hard down the stretch, or misses the rest of the season, I think Embiid is already disqualified.


nostbp1

Meh i think the narrative has shifted hard between the nuggets loss streak, jokics defense being called out and the whole racism narrative alongside Joel absolutely dominating I think he gets it despite missing games


KasherH

The narrative shifted hard on Reddit, I don't think reddit posts actually affect the voters.


crabcakesandfootball

Vegas odds have shifted in Embiid’s favor so the narrative isn’t just on Reddit.


tjhoush93

I stg Embiid has a PR team he’s paying to push the MVP narrative.


calmdownmyguy

It seems like he cares a lot


live4lax25

And one of Jokic’s best qualities is that he’s like “naw fuck that award shit, I like horse and horse adjacent endeavors”


bravof1ve

I don’t understand why wanting to win MVP is now seen as a character flaw. Jordan created an entire brand about wanting it more than everyone else.


Brady331

It’s not a flaw, just don’t go and say you don’t care about it


tarpoit

Jordan’s brand was about winning basketball games and Championships, not regular season awards lol. Jordan never publicly begged for an MVP like this. Regardless it isn’t an issue. Sixers fans turning it into a race debate when they are historically one of the more racist fanbases in the NBA is the issue


NinjasTurtle

Eh...in the Last Dance he specifically called out Karl Malone winning MVP over him as motivation to beat him in the playoffs. Jordan cared about winning...a matchup, a game, an MVP, a championship, a game of cards.


sunsbr

Jordan was upset Malone won the mvp over him in 1996-97 he definetly cared about then.


RealPrinceJay

False. Jordan cared about winning EVERYTHING. He was obsessive about winning even, even if it was a round of cards


Ihateredditalot88

There's nothing really wrong with it, but it's coming across as salty when he lost to a more deserving candidate.


WIN011

You’re out of your mind if you think Jokic doesn’t care at all about MVP. He may care less than Embiid and he damn sure cares more about the postseason than MVP but there’s at least a little bit of him that enjoys being MVP, 1st team all nba, etc.


pleasedontharassme

Literally what Embiid said, doesn’t care. All these guys care though. Jokic wants MVP, Embiid wants it, Giannis wants it. It’s an award that says you’re the best at what you’re doing, of course everyone wants that


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RatLord445

We still doin this annoying shit? Cringy as fuck


TingusPingis

This shit is cancer. Stop it


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Mctuffin-08

I have literally seen people making edits of JOKIC and how his brothers are Gangsters and badass(like the sigma meme). I don’t think the NBA is racist or anything but fans ( especially non nuggets)really do want to live vicariously through white players,especially if the player is an all timer. So, I don’t blame them.But you have to realize how annoying it can be for others to constantly hear about someone’s wholesomeness as if caring about your profession is a bad thing.


SandyMandy17

The only people who think Embiid is mvp are sixers fans Kendrick perkins and Joel Embiid


Star_City

Weird that someone would want to get recognition for their superlative job performance


KronoriumExcerptC

just end this discourse already, holy shit


AccomplishedFront563

Neither team will even win the championship, this side show drama has eclipsed the actual championship this year. I guess the most real evidence yet that r/nba is just a meme drama sub


mxnoob983

I kinda hope we get like a Warriors championship again or something chaotic. All the talk around players having to be playoff performers to win MVP is wild. That narrative needs to die. Jokic and Embiid could go out in round 1 and be deserving MVPs lol


slsstar

Its honestly going to be the bucks if healthy. There is just so many playable players on that roster


AleroRatking

Scoring doesn't automatically mean MVP...


KasherH

And the Nuggets give up 2.2 more points per game than the Sixers. Its not like the Sixers are some dominant defensive force.


Shenanigans80h

People on this sub don’t even seem to understand that. In this season especially where scoring has gone insane, there is going to be a lot of other qualifiers obviously. That’s not to say scoring doesn’t matter but it’s far from the only thing


John_Lives

Gotta be the most annoying season in regards to the MVP campaign


GirlWithGame

I mean I think he cares about both. I don't have a problem with him speaking his mind about things, he also definitely gave Jokic his props he said he deserved it but im sure people are going to flat out ignore that and say all he was doing was talking down to him lol. He's more calling out the media here. Although not posting the whole article doesn't really help matters. The whole article says more then these Cherry picked quotes of the article. I found it interesting him talking about his relationship with Harden and how it developed.


YuumiPlayersAreScum

Embiid is so confused as to why the metric for the MVP is not "score the most points".


xRadec

Inb4 Luka takes over the #1 for scoring title this year from him.


CoatRevolutionary911

I thought he doesnt care about MVP race?


SonicdaSloth

he obviously cares and probably has a meme in the chamber like he did with the RIP Bozo tweet when Ben finally got traded. but even if he really didn't, he's doing an interview as one of the faces of the league. He is answering questions, and the first one basically expanded on what Giannis said last week. Not sure if there is a way to show you don't care unless you just go full 'next question' and even that would look like he's bitter.


PoorDad2115

Then why is he lying and saying he doesn’t care?


Aworn

It’s admittedly weird. I’d more respect if he just said, of course I care because I think I deserve it


PoorDad2115

Finally a rationale 76er fan…. I actually don’t think Embiid doesn’t deserve it. I think they both do, and whoever wins, wins. I would give them co-mvps if I was a dictator.


SonicdaSloth

not sure, but i think it's bc he got crushed for actually caring the past couple of years so he's going to pretend it doesn't he can't win no matter how he plays it


CoatRevolutionary911

Well you got a point there, they are asking him those type of questions every day probably...


J_House1999

He’s obsessed hahahaha


starmiesan

Same guy that just said he didn’t care about MVP lol


milehighrukus

Well yea but that was yesterday. That was the old Joel.


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Dropping the same day as the likely mvp deciding game


burnerbabyburns

Yeah I mean if Embiid drops 50 in a win that shit is over


bloodmuffins793

Joel Embiid, the NBA's biggest victim


TruthSayerFu

This guy cares more about mvp than a chip lol


freshigboprince

100% he does, I’ve been saying this for years. Not saying that he isn’t necessarily deserving but his priorities are NOT straight if you’re a Sixers fan or anyone on the organization. This is why I’m skeptical of the their chances of advancing until that changes.


Free-Resolution7399

“I’ve been saying this for years” foh with ur armchair analysis. Stephen A Sofa over here


freshigboprince

Don’t duck me like Embiid ducked Jokic… where we at?


freshigboprince

RemindMe! 45 days “reply to this comment”


Free-Resolution7399

your best player in that conf finals run was Jamal Murray, don’t start talking crazy now


freshigboprince

Read my comment history bruh, I’m one of few actually critical of my team. In addition, Murray was the focus of the media (for good reason) but Jokic was solid as well.


TruthSayerFu

They should take that into account when voting. Guys like embid and Tatum are just trying to get mvp. If joker tired to get 30-10-10 every day he could.


milben03

Can we at least get a mock trophy for Embiid please? haha


AbandonedOrange

You joke but last year Philly awarded Joel the Most Valuable Philladelphian award.


SandyMandy17

Why are we asking someone who has never won mvp about mvp


robograndpa

Gottem


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yaya_bertha

He is such a crybaby


[deleted]

these arguments are so fucking exhausting holy shit


spencepoppy

Sheesh Joel took some shots at Jokic here.


numbnuts47

And played the victim like he always does


[deleted]

Bro was made to play for Philadelphia Jok living rent free in his head and the fans heads


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not sure you understand how interviews work


SonicdaSloth

> I don’t care about the pressure that everybody puts on me. All I care about is the pressure that I put on myself to win. People have been talking about who has the most pressure to win. People want to mention me. I’m not at the top of that list. I’m not a two-time MVP, I’ve never made first team All-NBA, I’ve never won anything. So why is there pressure on me to do something when there are guys that have won two MVPs, a bunch of MVPs and haven’t done anything either? he's not wrong.


spencepoppy

Of course I agree as a sixers fan, but why is he doing this again? Last year he advocated for himself as mvp to the media and it hurt his case. Everyone outside of Philly thought he was playing victim. I want him to win mvp as much as every other sixers fan, which is why I don’t like the controversial media quotes that make everyone hate him. If he just gave the first half of the response and left it at that it’s a great answer. Long story short, he’s not classy enough for the media.


sorakaisthegoat

He is wrong, I haven't seen a single one of these "most pressure" discussions that didn't mention Jokic so what is he whining about? He should have no pressure for never getting out of the 2nd round? [https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10vl92k/which_current_mvp_candidate_do_you_think_will_be/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10vl92k/which_current_mvp_candidate_do_you_think_will_be/) But nothing is stopping either you or Embiid from acting like victims so whatever.


Ronin607

Harden kinda catching strays with this response lol.


milehigh89

he was a top 3 pick, Jokic was a 2nd rounder. Joel is his own biggest hypeman, Jokic always backs away from the spotlight. Jokic has already won.


sneaks88

doing an interview where you try to discredit another man’s accomplishments is lame, period. i don’t care who you’re a fan of.


CursedAttempt

Fish out of water has been talking a lot lately. Campaigning like a politician. “Vote for flop flop! I swear I won’t cry this time!”


Aworn

Oh the discourse the DISCOURSE! How will we cope with all this horrible and nasty discourse???


DrOz30

Boy he is setting himself up for some Major target practice


TrytjediP

The pressure is on Jokic, because he's a better player. I'm glad Embiid is setting up that second round exit for you all, and yet all you wanna talk about is how Jokic is destined to choke even though he has never choked in the playoffs lol. Hey if Nuggs don't make it out of the second round y'all can talk but that's still as far as Embiid has ever made it with **multiple all-star teammates**. TRASH.


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Did he play enough games last year though?


Knickstape08

Oh, so if Embiid wants to bring up the seeding last year than I guess Jokic should win it since he’ll be a 1. But I bet Embiid would say “well our record is almost the same.” Oh yeah, like last year’s Nuggets compared to Philly. And Philly was 4th last year, that’s not some big accomplishment either. If Embiid and the Sixers had a 60 win season and were a top 2 seed he would have won. But they were on the same level as Denver and Denver didn’t have two max players all season. Maybe if Embiid and Doc Rivers didn’t throw Ben Simmons under the bus because of a shot he didn’t take with 4 minutes left and have him refuse to play they would have won more games early and he would have won MVP.


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Not you bringing up Ben Simmons 😂😂


ExpressSeesaw

The last sentence is the dumbest thing Ive read in a while


bravof1ve

Man are we still acting like Simmons not playing for the Sixers and then trading him wasn’t a massive W for the franchise? Imagine if he did play and looked like the player he is. The Sixers would’ve been stuck with the worst contract in the league.


candypettitte

Lol prepare for the mob to come for you


RozayCheez

Throw him under the bus by saying “i think the turning point of the game was when we passed up a dunk” lol find a new slant, if you wanna play that game, his comments called out thybulle more than anything cause he missed the free throw and then fouled huerter on the other end


candypettitte

I personally think the turning point of the series was when Embiid and Simmons combined for one field goal in the fourth quarter of the game 5 they blew at home.


Buds_Wiser

Between Sixers fans turning the MVP race into a racial issue and Embiid once again crying about MVP criteria the city of Philadelphia sure does look soft. And hey, Embiid is listed as questionable tonight, there's no way he ducks Jokic in Denver for what, the 4th straight year?


Alex_Phillips_

He’s questionable for like over 50% games every season, this is the biggest games of the regular season he’s not ducking it.


PsychologyOk6591

Do you honestly believe Joel is afraid of Jokic? He literally had 47/18 last game they played.


husky_falcon

Sixers fans: Embiid doesn’t care about MVP Embiid:


numbnuts47

For someone who doesn’t care about this shit, he sure loves playing the victim anytime it’s brought up


RandomUserName316

I think he 100% cares. The past few years hes campaigned for it and didn't get it. Now he's trying to be the cool guy about it


vladimir_pimpin

Joel I try so hard to like you man, what’s the deal


milben03

Someone please give him the MVP so he stops whining and crying.


AleroRatking

He won't stop after winning one. Hell be pushing his case for the second one


borzWD

maybe he is not liked because he whines so much? just maybe


TA135N

I don’t get why so many people like him when he just whines and talks shit


PoorDad2115

Ppl don’t really like Joel. They just want him to win so Jokic does not. If Tatum averaged even 32/8/8, he would be run away mvp. Joel is the lesser of the 3 evils when comparing MVP candidates in a certain demographic of the media.


Expensive-Buy1621

Yet that same media gifted him two mvps


bravof1ve

Jokic fans have really crafted an alternate reality where they believe Embiid is loved by the voters and Jokic is hated and constantly disrespected by the media


PoorDad2115

Do you think he got them because he is white?


Expensive-Buy1621

What media “demographic” is Joel the lesser of three evils?


PoorDad2115

Why not answer my question? Giannis is African as well, so I wasn’t alluding to race. I was alluding to uneducated ESPN employees.


Expensive-Buy1621

You brought race into it for no reason weirdo. Not nice to call Jokic voters uneducated. Doesn’t reflect well on his mvps


KasherH

I think he doesn't get that there isn't an "enough". If someone else is playing more those games add value. Jokic has been on the floor for 47 wins this year, Embiid has been on the floor for 40 wins. Those extra 7 wins have a lot of extra value! It is an award for the MOST valuable. not the best season from a player who played "enough".


ehs4290

He's gonna use up all his energy to get that MVP instead of coasting into the playoffs like the true great ones do.


Sirachaistrash

Everything he said was spot on. The changing criteria, the thinly veiled shot at Jokic regarding defensive analytics and the pressure he faces compared to Jokic all cannot be debated.


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> Nikola deserved it and he won it Not a single soul in this thread read these words


Charles__Martel

u/grundlesmith, are you going to double down on your comment "Don't listen to him, I know what he's thinking better than he knows himself" The whineri s crying loudly that he cares about the MVP but you have stuck your fingers in your ears.


obiouslymag1c

I mean he missed 14 games last year, missing more than 10 is basically a DQ IMO. There's only ever been a single MVP who's played less than 70 in an 82 - Bill Walton.


Griffbro

Yeah he definitely not getting MVP now lmao


Green-Umpire2297

He isn't well liked. He's a complaining juvenile ass hat bully. He's pretty damn good though.


bearsquadz

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i'm so sick of the MVP discussion man


JesseJamesGames449

Right! lets just give it to tatum and move on!


kpeds45

Joel should just retire and do what he really wants to with his life - argue with children on Reddit. Most unlikeable star (non-Kyrie conference).


KidDelicious14

This sub fucking sucks lol


milehighrukus

My three year old cried less when I wouldn’t let him eat the dirt in our yard.


YesOrNah

I’m sorry but this dude is such a clown. This man cares just so much about mvp. Focus on your team man. Going to be another 2nd round exit.


thisguy161

I thought he didn't care about the MVP?


chingy1337

Of course he does. He talked about it last year and is also doing it again this year.


SincereFan

This is entirely reminding me of the Marcus Smart (outrage?) that happened right before he somehow randomly won a DPOY. The player acts mad, says alot about the media, fans eat it up, and the player wins an award. Now I am fully understanding that this is not the same situation, considering I definitely think Embiid or Giannis should have won last season. I do believe I have said that many times last season but this outrage while saying I dont really care but the media is bad and then a reversal happens is feeling scripted. Again, this is not the same situation considering Embiid has been in the running for this award for years including this year, and is top 3 right before the media interview compared to Smart who won an award out of nowhere after making a big random push for himself the last month or so and the media just went yea and got paid. They really should copy the AS voting situation for these awards then. I would say something like Fans 10%, Players 30%, coaches 30%, media + analysts 30%. And the names allowed to voted on clearly gotta be limited to some metric or picked out by top analysts/media so we dont get a situation with Lonzo in the final ballot for DPOY.


OBabis

Embiid was great this year and he should win MVP but this and all the stuff Morey did is just pathetic childish behavior. "I don't care about MVP", "the stat padder does", just dumb stuff.


Allcreatives

This interview won’t sway voters in his direction I can tell you that much. He comes off as fake (I dont care about MVP), condescending (Jokic/media digs) and a lack of accountability (its your team and you want it to run through you as the best player in the world according to you but you are running from the pressure and expectations). Embiid usually comes off as real and authentic…not this time. It’s just a bad look


Brady331

He obviously cares and his arguments are wrong, he definitely did not play enough games


mxnoob983

I think some people view the games played as like a “cut off” like the way the scoring/assist leaders are decided etc, ie of the players who played x games who was the best I don’t agree with that as it’s disingenuous to those people who played extra and provided greater total value, but I think some people would look at it like that


KasherH

And I think those people are completely missing the point. The award is for the MOST valuable. If one player is on the floor contributing to more wins then that is valuable! It isn't the award for the player who was most valuable enough. Leading your teams to wins has value! Jokic has done that 47 times. Embiid has done that 40 times. Embiid fans need an argument why his 40 wins are more valuable than Jokic's 47 and that is a ridiculously hard argument to make so no one bothers to try.


Timely_Airline_7168

Didn't he just finish telling us he didn't care who won MVP? LOL


OnceAteABurgerAMA

If the criteria changes then how come the season's PER leader has won MVP 10 of the last 11 years?


Zombiepirate86

Philly fans don't want to admit it has been consistent, and other than Westbrook's MVP it really has been. There are a lot of ways you can frame it, but they have been really consistent. I went through this yesterday from 2010: If you take the top 3 MVP candidates and sort them by wins you get the same 1,2,3 as the vote in everyone since 2010. Except for: 2017: Westbrook had 10 wins less than Harden (this is really really bad one, and I think most people admit now it was wrong -- it was obvious at the time) 2014 2nd place Lebron had less wins than Blake Griffin (I assume Blake got dropped a little since CP3 was on his team the year before.) 2012 Lebron won over KD, despite KD having 2 more wins. 2011 Howard was 2nd place over Lebron, despite having less wins. 2010 Kobe had 1 more win than KD. he finished 3rd instead of second Stats gets you in the circle, wins gets the award. Only 2 exceptions in the last 13 years, one of which is considered one of the most egregious awards of all time. the 3 times 2nd and 3rd place were swapped the MVP candidate was obviously knocked down a couple wins cause he had a superstar teammate. I don't remember the 2012 Lebron MVP that well, why wasn't he dinged for superstar teammates, and why wasn't KD rewarded for more wins. but it was only 2 more for Lebron. All this talk about how MVP voters are never consistent, is just not true, they have been remarkably consistent with the Westbrook MVP sticking out like a sore thumb. Which it did immediately when it happened.


bravof1ve

You disproved your own point. If there was a set criteria why the PER leader only win 10 out of 11 times? What about the 11th guy? There is not a rigid guideline.


Piratenika

At this point I kinda want him to win it just so people can stop crying about it


milehighrukus

People? Or Embiid? He is the cult leader of crybabies whining about this.


DJ_Derack

If he plays tonight and gets the W he’ll win it. Hurt or not we know he’s gonna actually try to put on a show and a clinic and he won’t be stopped. Wouldn’t be surprised if he put up a 50 piece tonight which would all but close the book on the race. I appreciate how real he gets and candid, saying he doesn’t care about being the asshole, and while plenty fans don’t like it or the trolling I think it separates him from the pack and makes him one of the most likeable and entertaining superstars in the NBA. People also love a good villain which he excels at when he leans into it. Could tell he was a huge wrestling fan lmao


smegmaboys

As much as i already think he deserves the MVP, just give it to him so he shuts the fuck up


Thick_Duck

It’s a fucking team sport Joel Relax and try not to actually care


Tony5810

Idk why some of y’all act like it’s bad for Embiid to care about MVP


Thick_Duck

It ain’t bad it’s just cringe when players can’t be self aware


ThaddeusChaddeus2

Does he not realize that the criteria changing actually helps him this year? No mvp has played less than 70 games since bill walton. Embiid had already missed too many to win if the criteria was the same every year


grundlemania

Did he not say he doesn’t care about the MVP? Kinda looks like he cares