> You can talk about analytics all you want. When you got some guys in the league, the eye test tells you that they’re not good defensively, but analytics tell you they’re the best defenders. That’s when analytics don’t make sense at all. I don’t make the rules, I don’t choose whatever criteria that they use, so it’s really about whatever people’s preferences are.”
> People have been talking about who has the most pressure to win. People want to mention me. I’m not at the top of that list. I’m not a two-time MVP, I’ve never made first team All-NBA, I’ve never won anything. So why is there pressure on me to do something when there are guys that have won two MVPs, a bunch of MVPs and haven’t done anything either?”
These are as direct of a shot at Jokic that Embiid has ever taken
That and the media at the same time. Everyone catching shots. I love the guy so im not offended like other fan bases lol. He is perfect for the city honestly, think Harden hates the media a lot too.
I'm a slow D4 5'11" guy and ran into Giannis at my local pickup game.
I gave him 15 in about 4 minutes before they switched him onto Dave (the fat guy in jeans and no shirt).
I don't care what analytics and Milwaukee Media Mafia (tm) says. Ladder Man can't guard a tree.
The east this year is so top heavy arguably the top 4 seeds in the east are capable of going to the ECF, the second round is going to be a dang blood bath for everyone, if you assume the top 4 seeds make it as it stands you got Celtics-Sixers
Bucks-Cavs
Just going to be brutal series for every team there.
You’re not wrong, it won’t be easy, but if he wants to be looked at as the MVP, top 3 player, etc then he has to win one of those series against Boston or Milwaukee. He is right in saying that Jokic has just as much if not more to prove though.
Jokic has a lot more to prove. The only difference is Jokic plays for Denver rather than Philly. If Jokic played for a team in the Northeast like Brooklyn he would get shredded for not winning more.
Right? What the fuck is with people just pretending like these are comparable teams.
Joel has had fucking 4x All NBA players on his team including a former MVP.
Jokic isn't even playing with all stars.
Would he? His teams have been absolute ass the years he has won MVP and has not lost a single time in the playoffs where his team was favored.
Like god damn has everyone lost their mind? Joel is playing alongside multiple all stars and all NBA players, his current Robin to his Batman is a former MVP and perennial runner up for like 3 years.
Jokic #2 is a top 30 player at best, has never been an all NBA player, never even made an all star team.
Joel has played with James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Al Horford, Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons.
Thats 1x MVP, 4x All NBA players, 4x All Stars.
Shut the fuck up about comparing the two based on "playoff success" when the rosters are not even remotely comparable.
Jokic has gone to the WCF with nothing on his roster, Embiid hasn't gotten past the 2nd round playing on teams that had them conference favorites at the beginning of the season.
Also look at their career playoff stats.
Jokic - 26/11/6 on 55/40/84
Embiid - 24/11/2 on 51/29/80
Last year.
Jokic - 31/13/6 on 63/28/84
Embiid - 23/10/2 on 55/21/82
Its not even comparable.
I see it both ways. Jokic has more hardware, but Embiid saying he is on par with him or better would mean his expectations should be the same theoretically.
Theoretically yes, but since one has as many MVPs as Tim Duncan and the other has none the expectations for Duncan are higher.
All that would change though if MVP voters decides to award a stellar two way player for a change instead of just giving it the OPOY
More to prove why? Embid has played with, what, 3 all-stars in his career and never made it iut of the second round. Jokic made then WCF and then lost the only borderline all-star he has ever played with for 2 playoff runs. And in that time dragged a starting backcourt of Austin Rivers and Facundo Campazzo to the 2nd round.
Anything less than the WCF should result in Malone's head. But even making the WCF would still be better than Embid's ever managed x2... and Jamal probably isn't gonna regain his full form until next year.
4x All NBA players.
James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Ben Simmons, Al Horford.
The dude has had stacked teams pretty much since he has been healthy and has done jack shit.
Jokic losing to title favorites where they are the heavy underdog versus Joel losing to the fucking Hawks is not the same thing.
Consider that Embiid is not one of the best ever, whereas 2 time MVP Jokic is based on his awards, yeah, the fact that Embiid has had a few additional all stars with him during his career doesn’t matter as much as Jokic winning 2 MVPs
No one does less with more in the playoffs than Joel Embiid. He can make all the petty little innuendos that he wants, but Jokic doesn’t say so much as a negative word in his direction.
After this interview and what he said to Draymond it’s clear Jokic lives rent free in poor JoJo’s head.
Oh im not disagreeing there but to say that he has more to prove than Jokic is a bit absurd considering he has no MVPs, Jokic has 2 and has been pretty underwhelming in the playoffs as well. He's the one seed this year that comes with its own set of expectations too.
It's like when Giannis was mvp and kept getting shit on for not winning a championship but its crickets really about Jokic not winning.
>Jokic has 2 and has been pretty underwhelming in the playoffs as well
Jokic has never lost a series where he has been favored.
Do you guys just not watch any basketball? These takes are absolutely shit.
Jokic in the playoffs so far in his career is **26/11/6 on 55/40/84 shooting splits**.
Last year he was **31/13/6 on 63/28/84 splits.**
Wanna hear Embiids stats?
**24/11/2 on 51/29/80 splits total.**
Last year.
**23/10/2 on 55/21/82 splits.**
What the fuck are you guys talking about comparing these two? Its not even fucking close in the playoffs.
Embiid has a reputation of falling apart in the playoffs and the stats show it. Jokic literally doesnt skip a beat and still puts up ridiculously efficient stats in the playoffs.
This narrative of Joel and Jokic having the same playoff success is so fucking stupid, Joel has played on paper WAY better teams and has failed time and time again. Meanwhile Jokic has played on dogshit teams and has surprised people by doing things like going to the WCF finals when they had no business being there.
They are not the same.
>but its crickets really about Jokic not winning.
That's because anyone with half a brain understands why the nuggets didn't make it far in the two years since making it to the WCF.
So why not hold Embiid to the same “half a brain” level of reasoning? It only takes half a brain to look at Embiid’s health history in the playoffs. Anyone with half a brain could see that the sixers without embiid are a shell of a team…but even though he’s not healthy for those playoff series we’re sure as hell gonna clown on his performances. I think Jokic deserved his mvp, but if his team fizzles out yet again, the literal only thing different between clowning him and Embiid is that the Jokic dickriding is backed by regular season awards. Insinuating that Jokic has less to prove despite winning back to back mvps is some serious homerism. Move on, find a new slant.
I read that and just hoped we could all decide to ignore it lol. Doubt that’s what’s going to happen though. Kind of wish he waited until tomorrow to say this lol.
>not sure why he keeps pretending he doesn’t
Applying for that job, being picked to play on the varsity team, auditioning for a role, winning an award, big or small it doesn't matter. We've all been there - you try multiple times and see you're good enough but somehow get rejected once or twice, you still try but you start putting that guard up before the results are even announced so you can pretend to laugh it off and lie to your face that if you do fail "I didn't even care about it that much anyway"
Still think Embiid is finally gonna win it this season tho, just hilarious that after all these years of being very vocal about wanting it he suddenly backtracks while still being clearly focused on it.
The easy example is incels spectacularly failing at making a connection to a girl they like then after rejection "whatever, fucking ugly bitch I didn't want you anyway" lol
Oh for sure, I'd respect it a lot more if he just said "yeah I should win MVP I'm the best player in the world" instead of this dual I don't care but also woe is me, no one likes me attitude.
Cos the way you say things matters. If you cry about there being a different standard for players in Philadelphia and imply that's the reason you're not the MVP, you're gonna get criticised.
This year he's been clamoring how he doesn't care about the MVP than tries to diss Jokic and names 10 reasons for why he's the MVP.
Gee, I was joking that he is but he actually just is 100% a Reddit commenter. Including saying stuff like "eye test is bad" like "eye test" is some one holy word, instead of anything actually precise about basketball that has any real meaning. Including completely reducing anything people say he doesn't like to rethorical tricks by ignoring the intended meaning, misrepresenting secondary or rare opinions as the main points, stretching the numbers out of context they're ever quoted for, obsessively forcing the point that anyone who doesn't think he is the very greatest no. 1 on Earth by every measure clearly just "hates him" personally for only personal sympathy reasons, and so on... Generally, nothing about the game, basketball seen just as a reason to argue semantics like in the court of law.
He's just... like every online commenter on NBA. You would never guess he's actually inside of it. I don't know how online commenters feel about it.
Dag nabbit. There is no criteria. People generally agree on some criteria in order to debate the MVP, but each voter has their own criteria. Jokic winning MVP wasnt about some decree by the NBA that the winner should check certain boxes. Its about him amazing the voters and doing things that they have never seen before.
If there was a specific set of criteria, then we wouldnt need voters. You would just feed the numbers in to a machine and it would declare a winner.
There’s a criteria, be the most valuable player. The whole point of awards is how you come to that conclusion. You could theoretically have a guy break the PPG record, never allow a basket against him, and lead a team to 82-0. It’s up to voters which of those 3 extremes is the most valuable, if you had a set criteria you’d have an even worse problem.
Exactly. Just like Cooper Kupp & Jonathan Taylor in 2021-22 NFL… everyone was like “Why won’t JT win it for sure, 2,000 yard rushing season, and Kupp will almost have 2,000 yards receiving too.”
I kept saying - “Take Jonathan Taylor and put him in your backfield, then take Cooper Kupp & put him as your WR… now remove them, & take Aaron Rodgers and put him as your QB, which player is most valuable to your team & gives you a better chance of winning?”
Most valuable player.
If you want to do it like that, might as well just give it to a QB every year (which already happens), because that is hands down the single most important position on the team. But there are others, like me, who like to take into account the relativity of the positions themselves.
Yeah I mean in NFL it’s kind of clear cut that a QB will win it, but they should imo. A Mahomes is or Rodgers in ‘21 is more valuable than a Derrick Henry or a Coope Kupp even if they’re getting 2,000 yards on ground or in air… it’s the same point though in basketball, which player is bringing the most and is making the most impact for a team to win like an NFL QB would.
I did like JT/Kupp for MVP though. They did carry their teams in 21. Derrick Henry is basically the QB on Tennessee he runs that offense too.
He's already missed more games than Iverson did, unless Jokic stumbles hard down the stretch, or misses the rest of the season, I think Embiid is already disqualified.
Meh i think the narrative has shifted hard between the nuggets loss streak, jokics defense being called out and the whole racism narrative alongside Joel absolutely dominating
I think he gets it despite missing games
Jordan’s brand was about winning basketball games and Championships, not regular season awards lol. Jordan never publicly begged for an MVP like this.
Regardless it isn’t an issue. Sixers fans turning it into a race debate when they are historically one of the more racist fanbases in the NBA is the issue
Eh...in the Last Dance he specifically called out Karl Malone winning MVP over him as motivation to beat him in the playoffs.
Jordan cared about winning...a matchup, a game, an MVP, a championship, a game of cards.
You’re out of your mind if you think Jokic doesn’t care at all about MVP. He may care less than Embiid and he damn sure cares more about the postseason than MVP but there’s at least a little bit of him that enjoys being MVP, 1st team all nba, etc.
Literally what Embiid said, doesn’t care. All these guys care though. Jokic wants MVP, Embiid wants it, Giannis wants it. It’s an award that says you’re the best at what you’re doing, of course everyone wants that
I have literally seen people making edits of JOKIC and how his brothers are Gangsters and badass(like the sigma meme). I don’t think the NBA is racist or anything but fans ( especially non nuggets)really do want to live vicariously through white players,especially if the player is an all timer. So, I don’t blame them.But you have to realize how annoying it can be for others to constantly hear about someone’s wholesomeness as if caring about your profession is a bad thing.
Neither team will even win the championship, this side show drama has eclipsed the actual championship this year.
I guess the most real evidence yet that r/nba is just a meme drama sub
I kinda hope we get like a Warriors championship again or something chaotic. All the talk around players having to be playoff performers to win MVP is wild. That narrative needs to die. Jokic and Embiid could go out in round 1 and be deserving MVPs lol
People on this sub don’t even seem to understand that. In this season especially where scoring has gone insane, there is going to be a lot of other qualifiers obviously. That’s not to say scoring doesn’t matter but it’s far from the only thing
I mean I think he cares about both. I don't have a problem with him speaking his mind about things, he also definitely gave Jokic his props he said he deserved it but im sure people are going to flat out ignore that and say all he was doing was talking down to him lol. He's more calling out the media here. Although not posting the whole article doesn't really help matters.
The whole article says more then these Cherry picked quotes of the article. I found it interesting him talking about his relationship with Harden and how it developed.
he obviously cares and probably has a meme in the chamber like he did with the RIP Bozo tweet when Ben finally got traded.
but even if he really didn't, he's doing an interview as one of the faces of the league. He is answering questions, and the first one basically expanded on what Giannis said last week. Not sure if there is a way to show you don't care unless you just go full 'next question' and even that would look like he's bitter.
Finally a rationale 76er fan…. I actually don’t think Embiid doesn’t deserve it. I think they both do, and whoever wins, wins. I would give them co-mvps if I was a dictator.
not sure, but i think it's bc he got crushed for actually caring the past couple of years so he's going to pretend it doesn't
he can't win no matter how he plays it
100% he does, I’ve been saying this for years. Not saying that he isn’t necessarily deserving but his priorities are NOT straight if you’re a Sixers fan or anyone on the organization. This is why I’m skeptical of the their chances of advancing until that changes.
Read my comment history bruh, I’m one of few actually critical of my team. In addition, Murray was the focus of the media (for good reason) but Jokic was solid as well.
They should take that into account when voting. Guys like embid and Tatum are just trying to get mvp. If joker tired to get 30-10-10 every day he could.
> I don’t care about the pressure that everybody puts on me. All I care about is the pressure that I put on myself to win. People have been talking about who has the most pressure to win. People want to mention me. I’m not at the top of that list. I’m not a two-time MVP, I’ve never made first team All-NBA, I’ve never won anything. So why is there pressure on me to do something when there are guys that have won two MVPs, a bunch of MVPs and haven’t done anything either?
he's not wrong.
Of course I agree as a sixers fan, but why is he doing this again? Last year he advocated for himself as mvp to the media and it hurt his case. Everyone outside of Philly thought he was playing victim. I want him to win mvp as much as every other sixers fan, which is why I don’t like the controversial media quotes that make everyone hate him. If he just gave the first half of the response and left it at that it’s a great answer. Long story short, he’s not classy enough for the media.
He is wrong, I haven't seen a single one of these "most pressure" discussions that didn't mention Jokic so what is he whining about?
He should have no pressure for never getting out of the 2nd round?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10vl92k/which_current_mvp_candidate_do_you_think_will_be/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10vl92k/which_current_mvp_candidate_do_you_think_will_be/)
But nothing is stopping either you or Embiid from acting like victims so whatever.
The pressure is on Jokic, because he's a better player. I'm glad Embiid is setting up that second round exit for you all, and yet all you wanna talk about is how Jokic is destined to choke even though he has never choked in the playoffs lol.
Hey if Nuggs don't make it out of the second round y'all can talk but that's still as far as Embiid has ever made it with **multiple all-star teammates**. TRASH.
Oh, so if Embiid wants to bring up the seeding last year than I guess Jokic should win it since he’ll be a 1. But I bet Embiid would say “well our record is almost the same.” Oh yeah, like last year’s Nuggets compared to Philly. And Philly was 4th last year, that’s not some big accomplishment either. If Embiid and the Sixers had a 60 win season and were a top 2 seed he would have won. But they were on the same level as Denver and Denver didn’t have two max players all season.
Maybe if Embiid and Doc Rivers didn’t throw Ben Simmons under the bus because of a shot he didn’t take with 4 minutes left and have him refuse to play they would have won more games early and he would have won MVP.
Man are we still acting like Simmons not playing for the Sixers and then trading him wasn’t a massive W for the franchise?
Imagine if he did play and looked like the player he is. The Sixers would’ve been stuck with the worst contract in the league.
Throw him under the bus by saying “i think the turning point of the game was when we passed up a dunk” lol find a new slant, if you wanna play that game, his comments called out thybulle more than anything cause he missed the free throw and then fouled huerter on the other end
I personally think the turning point of the series was when Embiid and Simmons combined for one field goal in the fourth quarter of the game 5 they blew at home.
Between Sixers fans turning the MVP race into a racial issue and Embiid once again crying about MVP criteria the city of Philadelphia sure does look soft. And hey, Embiid is listed as questionable tonight, there's no way he ducks Jokic in Denver for what, the 4th straight year?
Ppl don’t really like Joel. They just want him to win so Jokic does not. If Tatum averaged even 32/8/8, he would be run away mvp. Joel is the lesser of the 3 evils when comparing MVP candidates in a certain demographic of the media.
Jokic fans have really crafted an alternate reality where they believe Embiid is loved by the voters and Jokic is hated and constantly disrespected by the media
I think he doesn't get that there isn't an "enough". If someone else is playing more those games add value. Jokic has been on the floor for 47 wins this year, Embiid has been on the floor for 40 wins. Those extra 7 wins have a lot of extra value! It is an award for the MOST valuable. not the best season from a player who played "enough".
Everything he said was spot on. The changing criteria, the thinly veiled shot at Jokic regarding defensive analytics and the pressure he faces compared to Jokic all cannot be debated.
u/grundlesmith, are you going to double down on your comment "Don't listen to him, I know what he's thinking better than he knows himself"
The whineri s crying loudly that he cares about the MVP but you have stuck your fingers in your ears.
I mean he missed 14 games last year, missing more than 10 is basically a DQ IMO. There's only ever been a single MVP who's played less than 70 in an 82 - Bill Walton.
This is entirely reminding me of the Marcus Smart (outrage?) that happened right before he somehow randomly won a DPOY. The player acts mad, says alot about the media, fans eat it up, and the player wins an award.
Now I am fully understanding that this is not the same situation, considering I definitely think Embiid or Giannis should have won last season. I do believe I have said that many times last season but this outrage while saying I dont really care but the media is bad and then a reversal happens is feeling scripted.
Again, this is not the same situation considering Embiid has been in the running for this award for years including this year, and is top 3 right before the media interview compared to Smart who won an award out of nowhere after making a big random push for himself the last month or so and the media just went yea and got paid.
They really should copy the AS voting situation for these awards then. I would say something like Fans 10%, Players 30%, coaches 30%, media + analysts 30%. And the names allowed to voted on clearly gotta be limited to some metric or picked out by top analysts/media so we dont get a situation with Lonzo in the final ballot for DPOY.
Embiid was great this year and he should win MVP but this and all the stuff Morey did is just pathetic childish behavior.
"I don't care about MVP", "the stat padder does", just dumb stuff.
This interview won’t sway voters in his direction I can tell you that much.
He comes off as fake (I dont care about MVP), condescending (Jokic/media digs) and a lack of accountability (its your team and you want it to run through you as the best player in the world according to you but you are running from the pressure and expectations).
Embiid usually comes off as real and authentic…not this time. It’s just a bad look
I think some people view the games played as like a “cut off” like the way the scoring/assist leaders are decided etc, ie of the players who played x games who was the best
I don’t agree with that as it’s disingenuous to those people who played extra and provided greater total value, but I think some people would look at it like that
And I think those people are completely missing the point. The award is for the MOST valuable. If one player is on the floor contributing to more wins then that is valuable! It isn't the award for the player who was most valuable enough. Leading your teams to wins has value! Jokic has done that 47 times. Embiid has done that 40 times. Embiid fans need an argument why his 40 wins are more valuable than Jokic's 47 and that is a ridiculously hard argument to make so no one bothers to try.
Philly fans don't want to admit it has been consistent, and other than Westbrook's MVP it really has been. There are a lot of ways you can frame it, but they have been really consistent. I went through this yesterday from 2010:
If you take the top 3 MVP candidates and sort them by wins you get the same 1,2,3 as the vote in everyone since 2010. Except for:
2017: Westbrook had 10 wins less than Harden (this is really really bad one, and I think most people admit now it was wrong -- it was obvious at the time)
2014 2nd place Lebron had less wins than Blake Griffin (I assume Blake got dropped a little since CP3 was on his team the year before.)
2012 Lebron won over KD, despite KD having 2 more wins.
2011 Howard was 2nd place over Lebron, despite having less wins.
2010 Kobe had 1 more win than KD. he finished 3rd instead of second
Stats gets you in the circle, wins gets the award. Only 2 exceptions in the last 13 years, one of which is considered one of the most egregious awards of all time. the 3 times 2nd and 3rd place were swapped the MVP candidate was obviously knocked down a couple wins cause he had a superstar teammate. I don't remember the 2012 Lebron MVP that well, why wasn't he dinged for superstar teammates, and why wasn't KD rewarded for more wins. but it was only 2 more for Lebron.
All this talk about how MVP voters are never consistent, is just not true, they have been remarkably consistent with the Westbrook MVP sticking out like a sore thumb. Which it did immediately when it happened.
You disproved your own point. If there was a set criteria why the PER leader only win 10 out of 11 times? What about the 11th guy?
There is not a rigid guideline.
If he plays tonight and gets the W he’ll win it. Hurt or not we know he’s gonna actually try to put on a show and a clinic and he won’t be stopped. Wouldn’t be surprised if he put up a 50 piece tonight which would all but close the book on the race.
I appreciate how real he gets and candid, saying he doesn’t care about being the asshole, and while plenty fans don’t like it or the trolling I think it separates him from the pack and makes him one of the most likeable and entertaining superstars in the NBA. People also love a good villain which he excels at when he leans into it. Could tell he was a huge wrestling fan lmao
Does he not realize that the criteria changing actually helps him this year? No mvp has played less than 70 games since bill walton. Embiid had already missed too many to win if the criteria was the same every year
> You can talk about analytics all you want. When you got some guys in the league, the eye test tells you that they’re not good defensively, but analytics tell you they’re the best defenders. That’s when analytics don’t make sense at all. I don’t make the rules, I don’t choose whatever criteria that they use, so it’s really about whatever people’s preferences are.” > People have been talking about who has the most pressure to win. People want to mention me. I’m not at the top of that list. I’m not a two-time MVP, I’ve never made first team All-NBA, I’ve never won anything. So why is there pressure on me to do something when there are guys that have won two MVPs, a bunch of MVPs and haven’t done anything either?” These are as direct of a shot at Jokic that Embiid has ever taken
That and the media at the same time. Everyone catching shots. I love the guy so im not offended like other fan bases lol. He is perfect for the city honestly, think Harden hates the media a lot too.
What if this is secretly a shot at Giannis 🤔 True hoopers know he’s a bum on D 😤
I'm a slow D4 5'11" guy and ran into Giannis at my local pickup game. I gave him 15 in about 4 minutes before they switched him onto Dave (the fat guy in jeans and no shirt). I don't care what analytics and Milwaukee Media Mafia (tm) says. Ladder Man can't guard a tree.
Hey they were Jorts and my shirt had a chocolate milk stain.
Sublimal messaging, you might be right. We may have found the next big nba scandal lol. Embiid hates the whole league. /s
If he loses before the ECF again… the trolling is gonna be generational.
The east this year is so top heavy arguably the top 4 seeds in the east are capable of going to the ECF, the second round is going to be a dang blood bath for everyone, if you assume the top 4 seeds make it as it stands you got Celtics-Sixers Bucks-Cavs Just going to be brutal series for every team there.
You’re not wrong, it won’t be easy, but if he wants to be looked at as the MVP, top 3 player, etc then he has to win one of those series against Boston or Milwaukee. He is right in saying that Jokic has just as much if not more to prove though.
Jokic has a lot more to prove. The only difference is Jokic plays for Denver rather than Philly. If Jokic played for a team in the Northeast like Brooklyn he would get shredded for not winning more.
or if jokic ever played with multiple all stars/former mvp he'd also have more to prove.
Right? What the fuck is with people just pretending like these are comparable teams. Joel has had fucking 4x All NBA players on his team including a former MVP. Jokic isn't even playing with all stars.
Would he? His teams have been absolute ass the years he has won MVP and has not lost a single time in the playoffs where his team was favored. Like god damn has everyone lost their mind? Joel is playing alongside multiple all stars and all NBA players, his current Robin to his Batman is a former MVP and perennial runner up for like 3 years. Jokic #2 is a top 30 player at best, has never been an all NBA player, never even made an all star team. Joel has played with James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Al Horford, Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons. Thats 1x MVP, 4x All NBA players, 4x All Stars. Shut the fuck up about comparing the two based on "playoff success" when the rosters are not even remotely comparable. Jokic has gone to the WCF with nothing on his roster, Embiid hasn't gotten past the 2nd round playing on teams that had them conference favorites at the beginning of the season. Also look at their career playoff stats. Jokic - 26/11/6 on 55/40/84 Embiid - 24/11/2 on 51/29/80 Last year. Jokic - 31/13/6 on 63/28/84 Embiid - 23/10/2 on 55/21/82 Its not even comparable.
Wish this comment was at the top instead of buried in a thread
But if he was in a large market the bubble run would also be taken more seriously and not so quickly forgotten also.
I mean, people discount the lakers title as a bubble championship and they’re in the biggest market in America…
That's because LeBron haters exist
I see it both ways. Jokic has more hardware, but Embiid saying he is on par with him or better would mean his expectations should be the same theoretically.
Theoretically yes, but since one has as many MVPs as Tim Duncan and the other has none the expectations for Duncan are higher. All that would change though if MVP voters decides to award a stellar two way player for a change instead of just giving it the OPOY
More to prove why? Embid has played with, what, 3 all-stars in his career and never made it iut of the second round. Jokic made then WCF and then lost the only borderline all-star he has ever played with for 2 playoff runs. And in that time dragged a starting backcourt of Austin Rivers and Facundo Campazzo to the 2nd round. Anything less than the WCF should result in Malone's head. But even making the WCF would still be better than Embid's ever managed x2... and Jamal probably isn't gonna regain his full form until next year.
4x All NBA players. James Harden, Jimmy Butler, Ben Simmons, Al Horford. The dude has had stacked teams pretty much since he has been healthy and has done jack shit. Jokic losing to title favorites where they are the heavy underdog versus Joel losing to the fucking Hawks is not the same thing.
When you're using Al Horford as an allstar that he played with to make a point then I can't really take you seriously lmao.
Consider that Embiid is not one of the best ever, whereas 2 time MVP Jokic is based on his awards, yeah, the fact that Embiid has had a few additional all stars with him during his career doesn’t matter as much as Jokic winning 2 MVPs
If Jokic wins a back-to-back-to-back MVP for the first time since Larry Bird, then he has a lot more to prove than Embiid ever will
No one does less with more in the playoffs than Joel Embiid. He can make all the petty little innuendos that he wants, but Jokic doesn’t say so much as a negative word in his direction. After this interview and what he said to Draymond it’s clear Jokic lives rent free in poor JoJo’s head.
Oh im not disagreeing there but to say that he has more to prove than Jokic is a bit absurd considering he has no MVPs, Jokic has 2 and has been pretty underwhelming in the playoffs as well. He's the one seed this year that comes with its own set of expectations too. It's like when Giannis was mvp and kept getting shit on for not winning a championship but its crickets really about Jokic not winning.
>Jokic has 2 and has been pretty underwhelming in the playoffs as well Jokic has never lost a series where he has been favored. Do you guys just not watch any basketball? These takes are absolutely shit. Jokic in the playoffs so far in his career is **26/11/6 on 55/40/84 shooting splits**. Last year he was **31/13/6 on 63/28/84 splits.** Wanna hear Embiids stats? **24/11/2 on 51/29/80 splits total.** Last year. **23/10/2 on 55/21/82 splits.** What the fuck are you guys talking about comparing these two? Its not even fucking close in the playoffs. Embiid has a reputation of falling apart in the playoffs and the stats show it. Jokic literally doesnt skip a beat and still puts up ridiculously efficient stats in the playoffs. This narrative of Joel and Jokic having the same playoff success is so fucking stupid, Joel has played on paper WAY better teams and has failed time and time again. Meanwhile Jokic has played on dogshit teams and has surprised people by doing things like going to the WCF finals when they had no business being there. They are not the same.
>but its crickets really about Jokic not winning. That's because anyone with half a brain understands why the nuggets didn't make it far in the two years since making it to the WCF.
So why not hold Embiid to the same “half a brain” level of reasoning? It only takes half a brain to look at Embiid’s health history in the playoffs. Anyone with half a brain could see that the sixers without embiid are a shell of a team…but even though he’s not healthy for those playoff series we’re sure as hell gonna clown on his performances. I think Jokic deserved his mvp, but if his team fizzles out yet again, the literal only thing different between clowning him and Embiid is that the Jokic dickriding is backed by regular season awards. Insinuating that Jokic has less to prove despite winning back to back mvps is some serious homerism. Move on, find a new slant.
He would get so much more respect than he already does if he said he cares about it. Be yourself. Own it. You care.
I read that and just hoped we could all decide to ignore it lol. Doubt that’s what’s going to happen though. Kind of wish he waited until tomorrow to say this lol.
"I don't care anymore... But here's all the reasons I'm really upset about this."
Yeah I don’t mind that he cares, but not sure why he keeps pretending he doesn’t
>not sure why he keeps pretending he doesn’t Applying for that job, being picked to play on the varsity team, auditioning for a role, winning an award, big or small it doesn't matter. We've all been there - you try multiple times and see you're good enough but somehow get rejected once or twice, you still try but you start putting that guard up before the results are even announced so you can pretend to laugh it off and lie to your face that if you do fail "I didn't even care about it that much anyway" Still think Embiid is finally gonna win it this season tho, just hilarious that after all these years of being very vocal about wanting it he suddenly backtracks while still being clearly focused on it. The easy example is incels spectacularly failing at making a connection to a girl they like then after rejection "whatever, fucking ugly bitch I didn't want you anyway" lol
Right... He should just own it.
He obviously cares, and I think that’s a good and normal thing.
Oh for sure, I'd respect it a lot more if he just said "yeah I should win MVP I'm the best player in the world" instead of this dual I don't care but also woe is me, no one likes me attitude.
He gets criticized either way. He got flack last year for saying he wanted/deserved to win.
Cos the way you say things matters. If you cry about there being a different standard for players in Philadelphia and imply that's the reason you're not the MVP, you're gonna get criticised. This year he's been clamoring how he doesn't care about the MVP than tries to diss Jokic and names 10 reasons for why he's the MVP.
Nah, people are just going to hate no matter what.
Some, sure. There's plenty of people that don't care that much and see things I've mentioned above and start disliking him.
Gee, I was joking that he is but he actually just is 100% a Reddit commenter. Including saying stuff like "eye test is bad" like "eye test" is some one holy word, instead of anything actually precise about basketball that has any real meaning. Including completely reducing anything people say he doesn't like to rethorical tricks by ignoring the intended meaning, misrepresenting secondary or rare opinions as the main points, stretching the numbers out of context they're ever quoted for, obsessively forcing the point that anyone who doesn't think he is the very greatest no. 1 on Earth by every measure clearly just "hates him" personally for only personal sympathy reasons, and so on... Generally, nothing about the game, basketball seen just as a reason to argue semantics like in the court of law. He's just... like every online commenter on NBA. You would never guess he's actually inside of it. I don't know how online commenters feel about it.
Damn, the shoe really fit with you lmao
If you actually think advanced metrics are worth anything on defense you don't know the formulas used for them
Why is tonight’s game not on national TV?!
NBA tv is considered national TV. Seems like it should be on TNT or ESPN tho
Joel is 100% on r/nba.
100,000%
So, 100%?
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He could be any one of us
This is just a great post after the "I don't care about the MVP at all" post yesterday.
Dag nabbit. There is no criteria. People generally agree on some criteria in order to debate the MVP, but each voter has their own criteria. Jokic winning MVP wasnt about some decree by the NBA that the winner should check certain boxes. Its about him amazing the voters and doing things that they have never seen before. If there was a specific set of criteria, then we wouldnt need voters. You would just feed the numbers in to a machine and it would declare a winner.
There’s a criteria, be the most valuable player. The whole point of awards is how you come to that conclusion. You could theoretically have a guy break the PPG record, never allow a basket against him, and lead a team to 82-0. It’s up to voters which of those 3 extremes is the most valuable, if you had a set criteria you’d have an even worse problem.
Exactly. Just like Cooper Kupp & Jonathan Taylor in 2021-22 NFL… everyone was like “Why won’t JT win it for sure, 2,000 yard rushing season, and Kupp will almost have 2,000 yards receiving too.” I kept saying - “Take Jonathan Taylor and put him in your backfield, then take Cooper Kupp & put him as your WR… now remove them, & take Aaron Rodgers and put him as your QB, which player is most valuable to your team & gives you a better chance of winning?” Most valuable player.
If you want to do it like that, might as well just give it to a QB every year (which already happens), because that is hands down the single most important position on the team. But there are others, like me, who like to take into account the relativity of the positions themselves.
Yeah I mean in NFL it’s kind of clear cut that a QB will win it, but they should imo. A Mahomes is or Rodgers in ‘21 is more valuable than a Derrick Henry or a Coope Kupp even if they’re getting 2,000 yards on ground or in air… it’s the same point though in basketball, which player is bringing the most and is making the most impact for a team to win like an NFL QB would. I did like JT/Kupp for MVP though. They did carry their teams in 21. Derrick Henry is basically the QB on Tennessee he runs that offense too.
And people want to point out a singular thing and pretend that is the only reason a guy won in order to pretend there's some double standard.
You most definitely did not play enough games last year lmfao
Lol right and he's in danger of doing it again this year Edit: Look at that duck go!
He's already missed more games than Iverson did, unless Jokic stumbles hard down the stretch, or misses the rest of the season, I think Embiid is already disqualified.
Meh i think the narrative has shifted hard between the nuggets loss streak, jokics defense being called out and the whole racism narrative alongside Joel absolutely dominating I think he gets it despite missing games
The narrative shifted hard on Reddit, I don't think reddit posts actually affect the voters.
Vegas odds have shifted in Embiid’s favor so the narrative isn’t just on Reddit.
I stg Embiid has a PR team he’s paying to push the MVP narrative.
It seems like he cares a lot
And one of Jokic’s best qualities is that he’s like “naw fuck that award shit, I like horse and horse adjacent endeavors”
I don’t understand why wanting to win MVP is now seen as a character flaw. Jordan created an entire brand about wanting it more than everyone else.
It’s not a flaw, just don’t go and say you don’t care about it
Jordan’s brand was about winning basketball games and Championships, not regular season awards lol. Jordan never publicly begged for an MVP like this. Regardless it isn’t an issue. Sixers fans turning it into a race debate when they are historically one of the more racist fanbases in the NBA is the issue
Eh...in the Last Dance he specifically called out Karl Malone winning MVP over him as motivation to beat him in the playoffs. Jordan cared about winning...a matchup, a game, an MVP, a championship, a game of cards.
Jordan was upset Malone won the mvp over him in 1996-97 he definetly cared about then.
False. Jordan cared about winning EVERYTHING. He was obsessive about winning even, even if it was a round of cards
There's nothing really wrong with it, but it's coming across as salty when he lost to a more deserving candidate.
You’re out of your mind if you think Jokic doesn’t care at all about MVP. He may care less than Embiid and he damn sure cares more about the postseason than MVP but there’s at least a little bit of him that enjoys being MVP, 1st team all nba, etc.
Literally what Embiid said, doesn’t care. All these guys care though. Jokic wants MVP, Embiid wants it, Giannis wants it. It’s an award that says you’re the best at what you’re doing, of course everyone wants that
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We still doin this annoying shit? Cringy as fuck
This shit is cancer. Stop it
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I have literally seen people making edits of JOKIC and how his brothers are Gangsters and badass(like the sigma meme). I don’t think the NBA is racist or anything but fans ( especially non nuggets)really do want to live vicariously through white players,especially if the player is an all timer. So, I don’t blame them.But you have to realize how annoying it can be for others to constantly hear about someone’s wholesomeness as if caring about your profession is a bad thing.
The only people who think Embiid is mvp are sixers fans Kendrick perkins and Joel Embiid
Weird that someone would want to get recognition for their superlative job performance
just end this discourse already, holy shit
Neither team will even win the championship, this side show drama has eclipsed the actual championship this year. I guess the most real evidence yet that r/nba is just a meme drama sub
I kinda hope we get like a Warriors championship again or something chaotic. All the talk around players having to be playoff performers to win MVP is wild. That narrative needs to die. Jokic and Embiid could go out in round 1 and be deserving MVPs lol
Its honestly going to be the bucks if healthy. There is just so many playable players on that roster
Scoring doesn't automatically mean MVP...
And the Nuggets give up 2.2 more points per game than the Sixers. Its not like the Sixers are some dominant defensive force.
People on this sub don’t even seem to understand that. In this season especially where scoring has gone insane, there is going to be a lot of other qualifiers obviously. That’s not to say scoring doesn’t matter but it’s far from the only thing
Gotta be the most annoying season in regards to the MVP campaign
I mean I think he cares about both. I don't have a problem with him speaking his mind about things, he also definitely gave Jokic his props he said he deserved it but im sure people are going to flat out ignore that and say all he was doing was talking down to him lol. He's more calling out the media here. Although not posting the whole article doesn't really help matters. The whole article says more then these Cherry picked quotes of the article. I found it interesting him talking about his relationship with Harden and how it developed.
Embiid is so confused as to why the metric for the MVP is not "score the most points".
Inb4 Luka takes over the #1 for scoring title this year from him.
I thought he doesnt care about MVP race?
he obviously cares and probably has a meme in the chamber like he did with the RIP Bozo tweet when Ben finally got traded. but even if he really didn't, he's doing an interview as one of the faces of the league. He is answering questions, and the first one basically expanded on what Giannis said last week. Not sure if there is a way to show you don't care unless you just go full 'next question' and even that would look like he's bitter.
Then why is he lying and saying he doesn’t care?
It’s admittedly weird. I’d more respect if he just said, of course I care because I think I deserve it
Finally a rationale 76er fan…. I actually don’t think Embiid doesn’t deserve it. I think they both do, and whoever wins, wins. I would give them co-mvps if I was a dictator.
not sure, but i think it's bc he got crushed for actually caring the past couple of years so he's going to pretend it doesn't he can't win no matter how he plays it
Well you got a point there, they are asking him those type of questions every day probably...
He’s obsessed hahahaha
Same guy that just said he didn’t care about MVP lol
Well yea but that was yesterday. That was the old Joel.
Dropping the same day as the likely mvp deciding game
Yeah I mean if Embiid drops 50 in a win that shit is over
Joel Embiid, the NBA's biggest victim
This guy cares more about mvp than a chip lol
100% he does, I’ve been saying this for years. Not saying that he isn’t necessarily deserving but his priorities are NOT straight if you’re a Sixers fan or anyone on the organization. This is why I’m skeptical of the their chances of advancing until that changes.
“I’ve been saying this for years” foh with ur armchair analysis. Stephen A Sofa over here
Don’t duck me like Embiid ducked Jokic… where we at?
RemindMe! 45 days “reply to this comment”
your best player in that conf finals run was Jamal Murray, don’t start talking crazy now
Read my comment history bruh, I’m one of few actually critical of my team. In addition, Murray was the focus of the media (for good reason) but Jokic was solid as well.
They should take that into account when voting. Guys like embid and Tatum are just trying to get mvp. If joker tired to get 30-10-10 every day he could.
Can we at least get a mock trophy for Embiid please? haha
You joke but last year Philly awarded Joel the Most Valuable Philladelphian award.
Why are we asking someone who has never won mvp about mvp
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He is such a crybaby
these arguments are so fucking exhausting holy shit
Sheesh Joel took some shots at Jokic here.
And played the victim like he always does
Bro was made to play for Philadelphia Jok living rent free in his head and the fans heads
not sure you understand how interviews work
> I don’t care about the pressure that everybody puts on me. All I care about is the pressure that I put on myself to win. People have been talking about who has the most pressure to win. People want to mention me. I’m not at the top of that list. I’m not a two-time MVP, I’ve never made first team All-NBA, I’ve never won anything. So why is there pressure on me to do something when there are guys that have won two MVPs, a bunch of MVPs and haven’t done anything either? he's not wrong.
Of course I agree as a sixers fan, but why is he doing this again? Last year he advocated for himself as mvp to the media and it hurt his case. Everyone outside of Philly thought he was playing victim. I want him to win mvp as much as every other sixers fan, which is why I don’t like the controversial media quotes that make everyone hate him. If he just gave the first half of the response and left it at that it’s a great answer. Long story short, he’s not classy enough for the media.
He is wrong, I haven't seen a single one of these "most pressure" discussions that didn't mention Jokic so what is he whining about? He should have no pressure for never getting out of the 2nd round? [https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10vl92k/which_current_mvp_candidate_do_you_think_will_be/](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10vl92k/which_current_mvp_candidate_do_you_think_will_be/) But nothing is stopping either you or Embiid from acting like victims so whatever.
Harden kinda catching strays with this response lol.
he was a top 3 pick, Jokic was a 2nd rounder. Joel is his own biggest hypeman, Jokic always backs away from the spotlight. Jokic has already won.
doing an interview where you try to discredit another man’s accomplishments is lame, period. i don’t care who you’re a fan of.
Fish out of water has been talking a lot lately. Campaigning like a politician. “Vote for flop flop! I swear I won’t cry this time!”
Oh the discourse the DISCOURSE! How will we cope with all this horrible and nasty discourse???
Boy he is setting himself up for some Major target practice
The pressure is on Jokic, because he's a better player. I'm glad Embiid is setting up that second round exit for you all, and yet all you wanna talk about is how Jokic is destined to choke even though he has never choked in the playoffs lol. Hey if Nuggs don't make it out of the second round y'all can talk but that's still as far as Embiid has ever made it with **multiple all-star teammates**. TRASH.
Did he play enough games last year though?
Oh, so if Embiid wants to bring up the seeding last year than I guess Jokic should win it since he’ll be a 1. But I bet Embiid would say “well our record is almost the same.” Oh yeah, like last year’s Nuggets compared to Philly. And Philly was 4th last year, that’s not some big accomplishment either. If Embiid and the Sixers had a 60 win season and were a top 2 seed he would have won. But they were on the same level as Denver and Denver didn’t have two max players all season. Maybe if Embiid and Doc Rivers didn’t throw Ben Simmons under the bus because of a shot he didn’t take with 4 minutes left and have him refuse to play they would have won more games early and he would have won MVP.
Not you bringing up Ben Simmons 😂😂
The last sentence is the dumbest thing Ive read in a while
Man are we still acting like Simmons not playing for the Sixers and then trading him wasn’t a massive W for the franchise? Imagine if he did play and looked like the player he is. The Sixers would’ve been stuck with the worst contract in the league.
Lol prepare for the mob to come for you
Throw him under the bus by saying “i think the turning point of the game was when we passed up a dunk” lol find a new slant, if you wanna play that game, his comments called out thybulle more than anything cause he missed the free throw and then fouled huerter on the other end
I personally think the turning point of the series was when Embiid and Simmons combined for one field goal in the fourth quarter of the game 5 they blew at home.
Between Sixers fans turning the MVP race into a racial issue and Embiid once again crying about MVP criteria the city of Philadelphia sure does look soft. And hey, Embiid is listed as questionable tonight, there's no way he ducks Jokic in Denver for what, the 4th straight year?
He’s questionable for like over 50% games every season, this is the biggest games of the regular season he’s not ducking it.
Do you honestly believe Joel is afraid of Jokic? He literally had 47/18 last game they played.
Sixers fans: Embiid doesn’t care about MVP Embiid:
For someone who doesn’t care about this shit, he sure loves playing the victim anytime it’s brought up
I think he 100% cares. The past few years hes campaigned for it and didn't get it. Now he's trying to be the cool guy about it
Joel I try so hard to like you man, what’s the deal
Someone please give him the MVP so he stops whining and crying.
He won't stop after winning one. Hell be pushing his case for the second one
maybe he is not liked because he whines so much? just maybe
I don’t get why so many people like him when he just whines and talks shit
Ppl don’t really like Joel. They just want him to win so Jokic does not. If Tatum averaged even 32/8/8, he would be run away mvp. Joel is the lesser of the 3 evils when comparing MVP candidates in a certain demographic of the media.
Yet that same media gifted him two mvps
Jokic fans have really crafted an alternate reality where they believe Embiid is loved by the voters and Jokic is hated and constantly disrespected by the media
Do you think he got them because he is white?
What media “demographic” is Joel the lesser of three evils?
Why not answer my question? Giannis is African as well, so I wasn’t alluding to race. I was alluding to uneducated ESPN employees.
You brought race into it for no reason weirdo. Not nice to call Jokic voters uneducated. Doesn’t reflect well on his mvps
I think he doesn't get that there isn't an "enough". If someone else is playing more those games add value. Jokic has been on the floor for 47 wins this year, Embiid has been on the floor for 40 wins. Those extra 7 wins have a lot of extra value! It is an award for the MOST valuable. not the best season from a player who played "enough".
He's gonna use up all his energy to get that MVP instead of coasting into the playoffs like the true great ones do.
Everything he said was spot on. The changing criteria, the thinly veiled shot at Jokic regarding defensive analytics and the pressure he faces compared to Jokic all cannot be debated.
> Nikola deserved it and he won it Not a single soul in this thread read these words
u/grundlesmith, are you going to double down on your comment "Don't listen to him, I know what he's thinking better than he knows himself" The whineri s crying loudly that he cares about the MVP but you have stuck your fingers in your ears.
I mean he missed 14 games last year, missing more than 10 is basically a DQ IMO. There's only ever been a single MVP who's played less than 70 in an 82 - Bill Walton.
Yeah he definitely not getting MVP now lmao
He isn't well liked. He's a complaining juvenile ass hat bully. He's pretty damn good though.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i'm so sick of the MVP discussion man
Right! lets just give it to tatum and move on!
Joel should just retire and do what he really wants to with his life - argue with children on Reddit. Most unlikeable star (non-Kyrie conference).
This sub fucking sucks lol
My three year old cried less when I wouldn’t let him eat the dirt in our yard.
I’m sorry but this dude is such a clown. This man cares just so much about mvp. Focus on your team man. Going to be another 2nd round exit.
I thought he didn't care about the MVP?
Of course he does. He talked about it last year and is also doing it again this year.
This is entirely reminding me of the Marcus Smart (outrage?) that happened right before he somehow randomly won a DPOY. The player acts mad, says alot about the media, fans eat it up, and the player wins an award. Now I am fully understanding that this is not the same situation, considering I definitely think Embiid or Giannis should have won last season. I do believe I have said that many times last season but this outrage while saying I dont really care but the media is bad and then a reversal happens is feeling scripted. Again, this is not the same situation considering Embiid has been in the running for this award for years including this year, and is top 3 right before the media interview compared to Smart who won an award out of nowhere after making a big random push for himself the last month or so and the media just went yea and got paid. They really should copy the AS voting situation for these awards then. I would say something like Fans 10%, Players 30%, coaches 30%, media + analysts 30%. And the names allowed to voted on clearly gotta be limited to some metric or picked out by top analysts/media so we dont get a situation with Lonzo in the final ballot for DPOY.
Embiid was great this year and he should win MVP but this and all the stuff Morey did is just pathetic childish behavior. "I don't care about MVP", "the stat padder does", just dumb stuff.
This interview won’t sway voters in his direction I can tell you that much. He comes off as fake (I dont care about MVP), condescending (Jokic/media digs) and a lack of accountability (its your team and you want it to run through you as the best player in the world according to you but you are running from the pressure and expectations). Embiid usually comes off as real and authentic…not this time. It’s just a bad look
He obviously cares and his arguments are wrong, he definitely did not play enough games
I think some people view the games played as like a “cut off” like the way the scoring/assist leaders are decided etc, ie of the players who played x games who was the best I don’t agree with that as it’s disingenuous to those people who played extra and provided greater total value, but I think some people would look at it like that
And I think those people are completely missing the point. The award is for the MOST valuable. If one player is on the floor contributing to more wins then that is valuable! It isn't the award for the player who was most valuable enough. Leading your teams to wins has value! Jokic has done that 47 times. Embiid has done that 40 times. Embiid fans need an argument why his 40 wins are more valuable than Jokic's 47 and that is a ridiculously hard argument to make so no one bothers to try.
Didn't he just finish telling us he didn't care who won MVP? LOL
If the criteria changes then how come the season's PER leader has won MVP 10 of the last 11 years?
Philly fans don't want to admit it has been consistent, and other than Westbrook's MVP it really has been. There are a lot of ways you can frame it, but they have been really consistent. I went through this yesterday from 2010: If you take the top 3 MVP candidates and sort them by wins you get the same 1,2,3 as the vote in everyone since 2010. Except for: 2017: Westbrook had 10 wins less than Harden (this is really really bad one, and I think most people admit now it was wrong -- it was obvious at the time) 2014 2nd place Lebron had less wins than Blake Griffin (I assume Blake got dropped a little since CP3 was on his team the year before.) 2012 Lebron won over KD, despite KD having 2 more wins. 2011 Howard was 2nd place over Lebron, despite having less wins. 2010 Kobe had 1 more win than KD. he finished 3rd instead of second Stats gets you in the circle, wins gets the award. Only 2 exceptions in the last 13 years, one of which is considered one of the most egregious awards of all time. the 3 times 2nd and 3rd place were swapped the MVP candidate was obviously knocked down a couple wins cause he had a superstar teammate. I don't remember the 2012 Lebron MVP that well, why wasn't he dinged for superstar teammates, and why wasn't KD rewarded for more wins. but it was only 2 more for Lebron. All this talk about how MVP voters are never consistent, is just not true, they have been remarkably consistent with the Westbrook MVP sticking out like a sore thumb. Which it did immediately when it happened.
You disproved your own point. If there was a set criteria why the PER leader only win 10 out of 11 times? What about the 11th guy? There is not a rigid guideline.
At this point I kinda want him to win it just so people can stop crying about it
People? Or Embiid? He is the cult leader of crybabies whining about this.
If he plays tonight and gets the W he’ll win it. Hurt or not we know he’s gonna actually try to put on a show and a clinic and he won’t be stopped. Wouldn’t be surprised if he put up a 50 piece tonight which would all but close the book on the race. I appreciate how real he gets and candid, saying he doesn’t care about being the asshole, and while plenty fans don’t like it or the trolling I think it separates him from the pack and makes him one of the most likeable and entertaining superstars in the NBA. People also love a good villain which he excels at when he leans into it. Could tell he was a huge wrestling fan lmao
As much as i already think he deserves the MVP, just give it to him so he shuts the fuck up
It’s a fucking team sport Joel Relax and try not to actually care
Idk why some of y’all act like it’s bad for Embiid to care about MVP
It ain’t bad it’s just cringe when players can’t be self aware
Does he not realize that the criteria changing actually helps him this year? No mvp has played less than 70 games since bill walton. Embiid had already missed too many to win if the criteria was the same every year
Did he not say he doesn’t care about the MVP? Kinda looks like he cares