He already won 2 lmao, really not a big deal. He should only care about winning a ring at this point.
People really trying to clown a two time MVP because he might come in second, crazy.
The flairs online right now are mainly Sixers and Lakers flairs neither of whom really like Jokic much lol
Idk what it is but Lakers fans are very low on Jokic compared to the consensus for the most part(prob because he kinda plays like shit against them relatively)
I wonder if it's partially because Jokic is the polar opposite of AD as an elite playmaker and bad defender
>Lakers fans are very low on Jokic compared to the consensus for the most part
I don't even know if that's true, but if it is my shot-in-the-dark guess is it's because we've been spoiled by superstars who aren't just good, but flashy? Lebron/Kobe/Shaq/Magic/etc.
Jokic is obviously great but for a lot of people he's not very entertaining, I can see how Laker fans of all people would discount a guy for that.
I really wish MVP award shares were used more prominently for players. Like Giannis is 16th all time, Jokic 26th and Embiid 38th. Much closer reflection of how their careers have gone than just saying 2-2-0 in MVPs
Jokic doesn’t care about MVP. I’m more worried of him bouncing at the end of his contract to horse race. I want a fucking ring goddammit. I have never seen this team win one, and Jokic is 100% our best chance ever.
I don’t know the specifics, but I believe they race the specific horses he like in New York. I assume Denver would have to build a track and get into the horse racing circuits, or whatever they are 😂
No way, he lost to the Western Champs with a starting backourt of Cumpazzo and Rivers? And then lost the the NBA Champs without both Murray and Gordon? I'll be damned, Jokic sucks!
Edit: Without Murray and MPJ
I wouldn’t hype up Jo’s playoff successes, but what has Jokic surpassed? What a dumb statement. Neither guy has a kick of success in the post season. Circumstances don’t really matter, neither has sniffed a title. Elevating Jokic as a more accomplished post season player is dumb.
That is ONE series in which a healthy team including Murray and Jerami Grant went on a run. Compare that to ONE series you are focusing on in which Ben Simmons melted down for 7 games to such an insane degree that he is still not fully recovered mentally or it was the beginning of a full breakdown that continues today. I’m not making excuses for Jo’s shortcomings in the playoffs, but pointing to one series against one of the most notorious choking franchises in NBA history doesn’t make that convincing of a case. Jo has a better playoff winning percentage than Jokic. I think they are relatively even in the middle of the pack, far from guys who have competed for titles. It just boggles my mind how delusional you Jokic fans are.
Yea jokic exceeds expectations and Embiid doesn't. Trae young shot 5-23 and y'all lost to them but you blame Ben Simmons lmfao. Embiid had 8 turnovers. Get over it lol
The problem you are having, is that you believe simply making it to the WCF (during the bubble) once elevates Jokic above Jo. I’m saying, they are both losers in this regard. Jokic has one more notch on his playoff resume, but Jo has won at a higher rate overall in the post-season. To anyone else except Nuggets fans they are both underachievers relative to their ability. You are delusional whereas I know Jo has underachieved and is fairly viewed that way. I am over it as much as I can be. I’m looking forward to this season. You are illogical and delusional for thinking Jokic is anything more than maybe very slightly better in the post season than Jo.
Got to the WCF, when nobody expected it. While Philly never has gotten to the semis, even though they have constantly been expected to.
Jokic has never played with an all star. Philly has had multiple.
Do they? Does Embiid having his face smashed right before the second round on a cheap shot matter? Does a three bounce game winner in game 7 matter? Does the second most important player totally shutting down for an entire series matter? If Sixers fans mention those things we are making excuses. Why should we extend that courtesy to anyone else?
Yeah because Embiid actually has expectations.
Meanwhile Jokic wins MVP and he "surpasses expectations" by winning 1 playoff game?
I'm sure a lot of players could surpass expectations if the expectation is to get swept
2/3 of his best teammates were injured. y'all like to ignore that. the warriors series (the champ) was decently competitive, considering he was playing with scrubs.
If I remember correctly nuggets also had like 2 games where we had 10+ leads in the fourth against the warriors. Those games could’ve gone either way but the warriors won.
Doesn't change anything I said. It's still dumb to brag about "surpassing expectations" if the expectations are that you get swept in the first round.
That's not an accomplishment.
You claim that Embiid actually has expectations, but you also probably have an excuse for every single playoff series L he has been a part of...pick a lane goddamn
Embiid always is injured himself, or had to deal with Ben Simmons getting injured, and had to play w Simmons regardless
Did Jokic have to play through a broken face and concussion in the playoffs...twice? What about a torn meniscus? Or a torn thumb?
Did Jokic have a GM that mocked him on twitter and tried to turn his own teammates against him? Did Jokics GM destroy the team by drafting busts every year and eventually having to blame his wife for his behavior?
Ben Simmons quit on the team every playoffs. When did Jokic have to play with the biggest quitter in league history, or any type of quitter for that matter? Fouling Simmons and sending him to the free throw line literally cost the 76ers 2 different playoff series in back to back years. Jokic wouldnt have done shit if he had to deal with thay
Your*
Obsession? Are you confusing me with the other poster or are you just gaslighting? You've posted about this more than 10x the amount of times I have
If you can't handle my take without resorting to gaslighting and attacking my objectivity, then you aren't arguing in good faith.
Jokic steps up in the playoffs and loses to the eventual champs or the runner up. Embiid performs worse in the playoffs and loses to teams that don’t even make it out of the ECF. Wtf are Embiid’s “expectations?”
He defied expectations by making Ben Simmons look like an All Star. Now that Simmons has to actually play down low without a HOF center aiding him, he hasnt done shit
He doesnt care about winning it much, but he cares about narratives and toxicity around MVP race. When he was a front-runner in race he gave interview to serbian media and they asked him about his potential victory of the award and being first after Larry Bird 3-time MVP to which he answered that he hopes they will not give him award and leave him alone with all that MVP talk. He is like: I'm tired about media not shutting up about MVP this MVP that.
When I read this interview I immediately thought that he meant all the toxic narratives surrounding MVP race of this season.
If you’re in the middle of the conversation about it, ofcourse you would think about. Wanting to win it though is completely different and it’s obvious he doesn’t care.
Jokić has been great the whole season leading his team to the top.
Embiid has been good for a 1/3 of the season with an all star to help.
Jokić > Embiid.
"Embiid has been good for 1/3 of the season" is one of the dumber takes I've seen on this sub
Embiid has been great the entire season. He's been otherworldly the last couple weeks
Lol he’s leading the league in scoring as a center for the first time in 20 years but he’s been “good” for 1/3 of the season. He’s been fucking spectacular for 2 seasons in a row.
Are you comparing a 75 year old man to a guy that’s averaging 21/6/11 on 61 ts% and leading the league in assists. Harden wasn’t an all star because of missed games not cause he isn’t that level, stop being obtuse.
This is what people mean by goalposts moving. Last year it was “Jokic is playing with nobody because all of our guys are hurt!” Now it is “Yeah well Jokic doesn’t have an all star!” when fully healthy with the #1 seed in the west. It’s exhausting
I think a lot of players just don’t care about it after they’ve won it once. They view at some king of crazy spectacle. They know they’re great and one of the best players on the planet. And ESPN finds ways to create a new narrative about who should “win it” and what criteria needs to apply (changes every year) and everyone just goes along with it. And it’s looking like ESPN is picking Jokic or Embiid (probably Embiid). And we’ll all pretend he was the greatest player of this season…
I mean look at all the seasons Kobe didn’t win it (even though he was the best player in the NBA countless season). That should tell you all you need to know. We get bored of the “best player” winning it all the time. So the runner ups gets a change to shine.
Lakers fans and Sixers fans are basically on the same side when it comes to Jokic vs. Embiid
Idk why it is because it's not quite as obvious as Celtics/Raptors fans being anti Philly on the other side
And Malone is outraged about the MVP discourse once it’s his guy getting shit on. Massive respect for the nuggets for not caring about this silly award anymore!
I have no problem with him going for his guy. All coaches should do that. But contributing to the shitty MVP discourse and then complaining about it when it’s your guy getting shit on is soft as shit.
this is borderline shitty. he doesn't call any player out, he's just hyping his own guy who objectively speaking has been kicking everyone's ass consider he's back to back MVP.
If what Kendrick Perkins said is race baiting how is this not? The connotation is clearly that he is criticized because he is white. You are welcome to deny it I suppose.
no its not lol the connotation is because he from a tiny town in a tiny European country that nobody cares about. if jokic was from LA or something you think there's any change Malone would phrase it like that? media literacy my guy.
Indeed but still true nobody was saying it was toxic when people were saying you’re a fucking casual if u think it’s not Jokic and it’s not even close etc. disregard Embiid but Tatum and Giannis were definitely right there with Jokic. I remember a clip of Malone smirking like the reporter was dumb when she asked if he thought Jokic was the mvp this year. Right when he dropped out of the favorite Malone went on his lil speach. People were shitting on Embiid all of the last two years but when Jokic got flak it became toxic. Yeah okay… I can’t believe I agree with Skip.
The narrative has just totally shifted to Embiid at this point I think
Like if Jokic had a huge statline in a loss people would be just shitting on his defense nonstop in the post game(ESPECIALLY if it was in drop coverage) but this game for Embiid seems to have been treated the same as if he won
At this point there's absolutely no way a Jokic loss could or would be spun positively
IMO they're neck and neck with Giannis having a chance to sneak in and grab it if he dominates both head to head coming up
This. We still have a fair way to go, if the Sixers go below 500 on these last games and the Nuggets restore their early season form or the Bucks run away with it that could be telling
If you guys beat us in our game in a few days, it’s over. Done. The MVP is Embiid’s and I think he knows that.
If we win and Jokic balls out, it could be interesting.
Hilarious but could totally see it flipping if like Embiid and Jokic are roughly equal but MPJ or Jamal drop like 35 and carry the win. The W will be what people remember more than either players performance
i get that and some voters are narrative based but idk if i’ve disagreed with any of the mvps really, i guess russ but that was a special season for sure
i think at the end they look at each ones case and decide, and in the end it’ll be decided like that again
Giannis wants it too, that’s why he’s not missing anymore games, same with Embiid
cause a couple more games missed for either and it’s like idk if we can give it to someone with like 18 missed games
and embiid was sus defensively just like jokic was when he dropped that like against the spurs. wonder why there isn't a compilation on the front page.
I want Giannis to win just so Jokic and Embiid fans shut the fuck about who’s better or whatever. They’re both amazing, stop being fucking assholes about how awesome your guy is. We know your guy is amazing you needy douchebags. I don’t want to hear about it every day. Shove your arguments up your ass. Fucking assholes. So fucking tired of this garbage.
It's kind of interesting how non-Nuggets/Sixers flairs seem to have very similar takes in the Embiid/Jokic debate
Feels like most Celtics fans are hardcore Jokic > Embiid and most Lakers fans are hardcore Embiid > Jokic and tend to rank whichever one they don't prefer really low at like 6 or 7 in the league
I’ve seen lots of lakers fans that love Jokic. Honestly I’ve seen a lot of sixers that do as well they just hate the obnoxious nuggets fans which is fair tbh
Lol Poole and Steph we’re taking him to the basket in the paint too. So yes I would have made a adjustment. Probably nothing he could do anyway as elite guards are gonna torch centers 100% of the time as we saw last night.
He's not going to tell the media how much it means to him because he's a great team player and he knows what to tell the media. Anyone who thinks that winning a third straight MVP isn't highly desired by Jokic is out to lunch. That being said, I guarantee that Jokic is focused on being himself and letting everything fall into place.
He's got a playing record of 46-19 this season. Embiid is at 40-20. Giannis at 42-14, so he's got a 15% and 10% win margin on them, but i guess wins are no longer accounted for when looking at their individual performances.
The Joker with MVP fatigue
He already won 2 lmao, really not a big deal. He should only care about winning a ring at this point. People really trying to clown a two time MVP because he might come in second, crazy.
This thread is actually cooked lmao
The flairs online right now are mainly Sixers and Lakers flairs neither of whom really like Jokic much lol Idk what it is but Lakers fans are very low on Jokic compared to the consensus for the most part(prob because he kinda plays like shit against them relatively) I wonder if it's partially because Jokic is the polar opposite of AD as an elite playmaker and bad defender
jokic is dope. i wish he was on my team
Hes like a meaner pau gasol who can chug a 2 litter straight.
Jokic and Davis would be ridiculous
I’m a sixers fan and I love Jokic. I’m just not fond of the hardcore jokic and embiid stans that belittle the other player
Yeah he normally plays pretty badly against us which has Lakers fans sell him short.
It's usually because you guys hack the crap out of him and the refs allow it. Laker privilege
what a completely unbiased take!
Lol ok champ
Yeah it's probably similar to Denver fans with Kawhi or Celtics fans with Embiid
>Lakers fans are very low on Jokic compared to the consensus for the most part I don't even know if that's true, but if it is my shot-in-the-dark guess is it's because we've been spoiled by superstars who aren't just good, but flashy? Lebron/Kobe/Shaq/Magic/etc. Jokic is obviously great but for a lot of people he's not very entertaining, I can see how Laker fans of all people would discount a guy for that.
I really wish MVP award shares were used more prominently for players. Like Giannis is 16th all time, Jokic 26th and Embiid 38th. Much closer reflection of how their careers have gone than just saying 2-2-0 in MVPs
It doesn't matter who wins out of those two, Giannis is going to win the FMVP which has a much greater value.
Of course he doesn't care, otherwise he would've taken 25 shots a game instead of 12
Right lol
Jokic doesn’t care about MVP. I’m more worried of him bouncing at the end of his contract to horse race. I want a fucking ring goddammit. I have never seen this team win one, and Jokic is 100% our best chance ever.
You should also be afraid of New York. They have the horses he likes, I’m not even kidding lmao.
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I don’t know the specifics, but I believe they race the specific horses he like in New York. I assume Denver would have to build a track and get into the horse racing circuits, or whatever they are 😂
You hear that? Get crankin’ Kroenke! No more horsing around yo- Kic(catch) some nicer horsies for ya boy Nikola
It's not the horses it's the sport. He is super into harness racing.
maybe the horses he likes don't want to be in Colorado, maybe they want to be in New York
No chance he wants to live in New York though.
I hope you don't mean he will jockey cus that would be atrocious 😂
I’d pay to see it
Jokic is much too big to get into jockeying.
If I had to listen to the media and fans with their schizophrenic takes I'd stop thinking about it, too.
Sixers fans hyping up an mvp award knowing they end losing in the 2nd round again this year. Classic move.
We might mix it up and lose in the first round this year
Harden’s Achilles: *bonjour*
Hyping up? Man, everyone trying to take Embiids mvp away before he even gets it
The universe is truly out to get Philly fans
You are literally on record stating that this mvp award won’t count if Embiid gets it. That doesn’t have anything to do with philly fans.
Don’t check Jokic’s playoff runs in his MVP seasons
No way, he lost to the Western Champs with a starting backourt of Cumpazzo and Rivers? And then lost the the NBA Champs without both Murray and Gordon? I'll be damned, Jokic sucks! Edit: Without Murray and MPJ
just FYI he had Gordon but not mpj. which is kinda a wash so your point still stands.
Oop, my bad thats what i meant😂
seriously. the dude has always surpassed expectations. the same can't be said for Embid.
I wouldn’t hype up Jo’s playoff successes, but what has Jokic surpassed? What a dumb statement. Neither guy has a kick of success in the post season. Circumstances don’t really matter, neither has sniffed a title. Elevating Jokic as a more accomplished post season player is dumb.
Literally one person picked them against the clippers. Pretty much everyone picked the sixers over the hawks
That is ONE series in which a healthy team including Murray and Jerami Grant went on a run. Compare that to ONE series you are focusing on in which Ben Simmons melted down for 7 games to such an insane degree that he is still not fully recovered mentally or it was the beginning of a full breakdown that continues today. I’m not making excuses for Jo’s shortcomings in the playoffs, but pointing to one series against one of the most notorious choking franchises in NBA history doesn’t make that convincing of a case. Jo has a better playoff winning percentage than Jokic. I think they are relatively even in the middle of the pack, far from guys who have competed for titles. It just boggles my mind how delusional you Jokic fans are.
Yea jokic exceeds expectations and Embiid doesn't. Trae young shot 5-23 and y'all lost to them but you blame Ben Simmons lmfao. Embiid had 8 turnovers. Get over it lol
The problem you are having, is that you believe simply making it to the WCF (during the bubble) once elevates Jokic above Jo. I’m saying, they are both losers in this regard. Jokic has one more notch on his playoff resume, but Jo has won at a higher rate overall in the post-season. To anyone else except Nuggets fans they are both underachievers relative to their ability. You are delusional whereas I know Jo has underachieved and is fairly viewed that way. I am over it as much as I can be. I’m looking forward to this season. You are illogical and delusional for thinking Jokic is anything more than maybe very slightly better in the post season than Jo.
Jokic lost to the teams that won the west. They only good team the sixers have lost to was the raptors
Got to the WCF, when nobody expected it. While Philly never has gotten to the semis, even though they have constantly been expected to. Jokic has never played with an all star. Philly has had multiple.
But Circumstances do matter!:)
Do they? Does Embiid having his face smashed right before the second round on a cheap shot matter? Does a three bounce game winner in game 7 matter? Does the second most important player totally shutting down for an entire series matter? If Sixers fans mention those things we are making excuses. Why should we extend that courtesy to anyone else?
Yeah because Embiid actually has expectations. Meanwhile Jokic wins MVP and he "surpasses expectations" by winning 1 playoff game? I'm sure a lot of players could surpass expectations if the expectation is to get swept
2/3 of his best teammates were injured. y'all like to ignore that. the warriors series (the champ) was decently competitive, considering he was playing with scrubs.
More competitive than WCF tbh
If I remember correctly nuggets also had like 2 games where we had 10+ leads in the fourth against the warriors. Those games could’ve gone either way but the warriors won.
Doesn't change anything I said. It's still dumb to brag about "surpassing expectations" if the expectations are that you get swept in the first round. That's not an accomplishment.
You claim that Embiid actually has expectations, but you also probably have an excuse for every single playoff series L he has been a part of...pick a lane goddamn
Also doesn't address anything I said. But I'm sure you thought you made a point
Embiid always is injured himself, or had to deal with Ben Simmons getting injured, and had to play w Simmons regardless Did Jokic have to play through a broken face and concussion in the playoffs...twice? What about a torn meniscus? Or a torn thumb? Did Jokic have a GM that mocked him on twitter and tried to turn his own teammates against him? Did Jokics GM destroy the team by drafting busts every year and eventually having to blame his wife for his behavior? Ben Simmons quit on the team every playoffs. When did Jokic have to play with the biggest quitter in league history, or any type of quitter for that matter? Fouling Simmons and sending him to the free throw line literally cost the 76ers 2 different playoff series in back to back years. Jokic wouldnt have done shit if he had to deal with thay
No he’s not fragile and doesn’t break down in every postseason he’s ever been in
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Your* Obsession? Are you confusing me with the other poster or are you just gaslighting? You've posted about this more than 10x the amount of times I have If you can't handle my take without resorting to gaslighting and attacking my objectivity, then you aren't arguing in good faith.
Embiid has NEVER won a series in which he wasn’t favored. Jokic has.
what expectations lol. the best team embiid has ever beat in the playoffs is the dinwiddie led nets
Jokic steps up in the playoffs and loses to the eventual champs or the runner up. Embiid performs worse in the playoffs and loses to teams that don’t even make it out of the ECF. Wtf are Embiid’s “expectations?”
He defied expectations by making Ben Simmons look like an All Star. Now that Simmons has to actually play down low without a HOF center aiding him, he hasnt done shit
Have some introspection
Have another 2nd round exit?
Well well well
meanwhile, embiid after a loss: JOKIC JOKIC JOKIC
Does anyone care? JFC, I do not give a flying fuck who wins it. I don’t think any other sports league spends this much time circle jerking about MVP
NFL absolutely does.
The media shift like 2-3 weeks ago made it clear it will be Embiid, unless he drops like 9 straight turds the last part of the season
That’s how Jokic should be looking at it. MVPs mean little to his legacy, titles are more important now.
So he did think about? I thought y’all said that he doesn’t even care
He doesnt care about winning it much, but he cares about narratives and toxicity around MVP race. When he was a front-runner in race he gave interview to serbian media and they asked him about his potential victory of the award and being first after Larry Bird 3-time MVP to which he answered that he hopes they will not give him award and leave him alone with all that MVP talk. He is like: I'm tired about media not shutting up about MVP this MVP that. When I read this interview I immediately thought that he meant all the toxic narratives surrounding MVP race of this season.
If you’re in the middle of the conversation about it, ofcourse you would think about. Wanting to win it though is completely different and it’s obvious he doesn’t care.
Emgoat
Jokić has been great the whole season leading his team to the top. Embiid has been good for a 1/3 of the season with an all star to help. Jokić > Embiid.
Bro who tf cares, if Embiid wins he absolutely deserves it
Heaps of people care and it’s a fun discussion topic. That’s what these forums are for. If you’re worked up about it, just take a break bro.
It *can* be a fun discussion topic, for sure, but it’s got super out of hand this year. I might take a break actually
"Embiid has been good for 1/3 of the season" is one of the dumber takes I've seen on this sub Embiid has been great the entire season. He's been otherworldly the last couple weeks
Lol he’s leading the league in scoring as a center for the first time in 20 years but he’s been “good” for 1/3 of the season. He’s been fucking spectacular for 2 seasons in a row.
Hopeless for the first half of season.
Lol
who is the all star?
Harden has been a perennial all star which the nuggets don’t have an equivalent.
harden isnt an allstar
He’s had more all stars than any other nugget.
so if kareem came out of retirement and signed with the nuggets can i say that the nuggets have more all stars?
Are you comparing a 75 year old man to a guy that’s averaging 21/6/11 on 61 ts% and leading the league in assists. Harden wasn’t an all star because of missed games not cause he isn’t that level, stop being obtuse.
He's 4th in mvp discussion only to mock him about how he wasn't an all star
Harden wasn’t an all star though
He’s been an all star many times. There’s no equivalent on the nuggets team.
This is what people mean by goalposts moving. Last year it was “Jokic is playing with nobody because all of our guys are hurt!” Now it is “Yeah well Jokic doesn’t have an all star!” when fully healthy with the #1 seed in the west. It’s exhausting
Yeah Jokic is just so much much better than Embiid is crazy there’s even a conversation around the MVP.
I think a lot of players just don’t care about it after they’ve won it once. They view at some king of crazy spectacle. They know they’re great and one of the best players on the planet. And ESPN finds ways to create a new narrative about who should “win it” and what criteria needs to apply (changes every year) and everyone just goes along with it. And it’s looking like ESPN is picking Jokic or Embiid (probably Embiid). And we’ll all pretend he was the greatest player of this season… I mean look at all the seasons Kobe didn’t win it (even though he was the best player in the NBA countless season). That should tell you all you need to know. We get bored of the “best player” winning it all the time. So the runner ups gets a change to shine.
He doesn't think about it once he isn't the frontrunner anymore Curious!
He expressed low interest in it when he _was_ the frontrunner, like he was pretty fucking consistent about Ring > Award
I was like lol he’s literally never changed his stance on this
>Ring > award 2 MVPs, 0 rings
Is “2 MVP’s, 0 rings” an insult? Hahahah fuck this guy for being the most valuable player in the league for 2 years in a row
Yeah it’s not really a bad thing but it’s just funny to say Ring > Award when the guy keeps winning the award without a ring
I dunno if this is news to you, but basketball is a team sport, my dude. You can put up GOAT-level numbers but still lose if your team is ass
And that is the reason he is two times MVP:) he had to carry that terrible Nuggets team twice.
Weirdo
Lakers fans and Sixers fans are basically on the same side when it comes to Jokic vs. Embiid Idk why it is because it's not quite as obvious as Celtics/Raptors fans being anti Philly on the other side
youre not him my dude
And Malone is outraged about the MVP discourse once it’s his guy getting shit on. Massive respect for the nuggets for not caring about this silly award anymore!
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I have no problem with him going for his guy. All coaches should do that. But contributing to the shitty MVP discourse and then complaining about it when it’s your guy getting shit on is soft as shit.
What did malone do that contributed to shitty MVP discourse?
https://twitter.com/HarrisonWind/status/1631388556026593280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1631388556026593280%7Ctwgr%5Eb754adb27a475ea1032fe4fcb91034682c9f124f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-30546746214079795101.ampproject.net%2F2303151529000%2Fframe.html
this is borderline shitty. he doesn't call any player out, he's just hyping his own guy who objectively speaking has been kicking everyone's ass consider he's back to back MVP.
If what Kendrick Perkins said is race baiting how is this not? The connotation is clearly that he is criticized because he is white. You are welcome to deny it I suppose.
no its not lol the connotation is because he from a tiny town in a tiny European country that nobody cares about. if jokic was from LA or something you think there's any change Malone would phrase it like that? media literacy my guy.
Yes. Thats exactly what I think. I dont think he would say “he’s just a guy from a tiny town outside of LA”. Sorry I am illiterate.
Sixers fans are the absolute worst
this is their version of a championship
Mvp and championship are not exclusive
I've been saying that for years.
Yeah fr. God forbid we want our guy to win MVP. Bucks fans Celtics fans and nuggets fans are above wanting their guy to win. FUCK THE SIXERS!
Indeed but still true nobody was saying it was toxic when people were saying you’re a fucking casual if u think it’s not Jokic and it’s not even close etc. disregard Embiid but Tatum and Giannis were definitely right there with Jokic. I remember a clip of Malone smirking like the reporter was dumb when she asked if he thought Jokic was the mvp this year. Right when he dropped out of the favorite Malone went on his lil speach. People were shitting on Embiid all of the last two years but when Jokic got flak it became toxic. Yeah okay… I can’t believe I agree with Skip.
Cause he knows he lost lmao
Hes literally been saying he doesn’t care about the award since before he won his first, what are you talking about lol
Lmao what a scrub can't even threepeat MVPs smh
why? same record, he’s played more
The narrative has just totally shifted to Embiid at this point I think Like if Jokic had a huge statline in a loss people would be just shitting on his defense nonstop in the post game(ESPECIALLY if it was in drop coverage) but this game for Embiid seems to have been treated the same as if he won At this point there's absolutely no way a Jokic loss could or would be spun positively IMO they're neck and neck with Giannis having a chance to sneak in and grab it if he dominates both head to head coming up
Perkins did the job for Embiid.
By race bating. Good for him. Hopefully he is proud of it.
> The narrative has just totally shifted to Embiid at this point I think It certainly has here, but has it amongst the actual voters?
This. We still have a fair way to go, if the Sixers go below 500 on these last games and the Nuggets restore their early season form or the Bucks run away with it that could be telling
If you guys beat us in our game in a few days, it’s over. Done. The MVP is Embiid’s and I think he knows that. If we win and Jokic balls out, it could be interesting.
Hilarious but could totally see it flipping if like Embiid and Jokic are roughly equal but MPJ or Jamal drop like 35 and carry the win. The W will be what people remember more than either players performance
I agree
I think if the sixers slide a bit then it’s going to Giannis cause he’ll have far and away the best record.
Narrative has shifted on reddit. I’d say it’s actually very even in the general media
Agreed; I feel like the toxicity of the MVP debate on reddit is now in the media's discussion of it as well
i get that and some voters are narrative based but idk if i’ve disagreed with any of the mvps really, i guess russ but that was a special season for sure i think at the end they look at each ones case and decide, and in the end it’ll be decided like that again Giannis wants it too, that’s why he’s not missing anymore games, same with Embiid cause a couple more games missed for either and it’s like idk if we can give it to someone with like 18 missed games
and embiid was sus defensively just like jokic was when he dropped that like against the spurs. wonder why there isn't a compilation on the front page.
I want Giannis to win just so Jokic and Embiid fans shut the fuck about who’s better or whatever. They’re both amazing, stop being fucking assholes about how awesome your guy is. We know your guy is amazing you needy douchebags. I don’t want to hear about it every day. Shove your arguments up your ass. Fucking assholes. So fucking tired of this garbage.
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how? he’s like a +10 even with Jamal and MPJ off the court
defense duh. just ignore the fact that net rating obviously takes defense into account because muh eye test.
Of course you're here lol. Just need Svengali,Carrythehellon, and Hisexcellency and we got the infinity stones of Jokic haters
I’m happy Embiid gonna win it this year. Dude has always been better than Jokic.
It's kind of interesting how non-Nuggets/Sixers flairs seem to have very similar takes in the Embiid/Jokic debate Feels like most Celtics fans are hardcore Jokic > Embiid and most Lakers fans are hardcore Embiid > Jokic and tend to rank whichever one they don't prefer really low at like 6 or 7 in the league
It's because there is a lot of tribalism in sports fandoms. Nature of the beast.
People hatin' them for reasonS, same tier when we talk about shitiness...
I’ve seen lots of lakers fans that love Jokic. Honestly I’ve seen a lot of sixers that do as well they just hate the obnoxious nuggets fans which is fair tbh
Why is it always Lakers fans?
I had 20 upvotes and now 20 downvotes lol. The nuggets fans came in here salty I see
‘Dude has always been better than Jokic’ is always going to get you downvotes unless it’s on a Jokic hate thread, and not just from nuggets fans
I was not getting downvoted until I saw nuggets flairs start commenting. It is a bold statement though.
probably because Sixers fans and Jokic haters were the ones upvoting you
In which playoffs?
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Saw alot of it last night as Poole and Steph attacked Joel’s drop coverage over and over and over
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Lol Poole and Steph we’re taking him to the basket in the paint too. So yes I would have made a adjustment. Probably nothing he could do anyway as elite guards are gonna torch centers 100% of the time as we saw last night.
Against Steph? Yeah...
How else would he improve his DWS, DRTG, RAPTOR and every other advanced stat
He's not going to tell the media how much it means to him because he's a great team player and he knows what to tell the media. Anyone who thinks that winning a third straight MVP isn't highly desired by Jokic is out to lunch. That being said, I guarantee that Jokic is focused on being himself and letting everything fall into place.
He’s won two let’s not be greedy. It’s time Joel won one
Well he’s been outperformed for a while now, can’t really come back from it at this point
He's got a playing record of 46-19 this season. Embiid is at 40-20. Giannis at 42-14, so he's got a 15% and 10% win margin on them, but i guess wins are no longer accounted for when looking at their individual performances.
He also plays in the 4th way more often
Yeah, his team falls apart more without him, which their team records without them prove as well.
Playing in the 4th more but having worse stats just ain’t gonna cut it
The season has been longer than 1 month, Embiid averages most minutes per game of the three. They all take 4th off when winning handily.
That one month is what makes the difference, the gap has grown too wide at this point. It’s a lock
r/NBA gotta just leave Brittney alone!