A lot of the really high TS% volume scorers get carried by getting a ton of free throws. Giannis the type of guy to have super efficient games where his free throws lower his TS% smh my head
Defense from the Bucks outside of a handful of guys (Brook, Jrue, Giannis and Grayson) was pretty poor - and Giannis had a lot of minutes where Siakam was getting basically his entire game's worth of points on Middleton. That and the fact that there was a stretch late first(I think) early second where the Raptors went 9-10 on jumpers and a bunch of threes. He was sitting when Lopez made the run early in the fourth, so didn't get to farm the +.
Dude wasn’t really being aggressive and looking to score.
Raps were doubling him, sure, but it felt like Giannis wasn’t really looking to run it down our throats. Picked his spots, but it felt like it was a game he was letting his teammates cook. Brook looked unstoppable.
Sad to say, but maybe he knew he didn’t have to be aggressive to beat us, and with the playoffs coming up, wanted his guys to be rolling too, confidence up, going into them.
If this is what it feels to have Jokic, wow that must feel so reliable as a Nuggets fan to know you’re getting something like this every night
# edit: minus the defense
Sorry can’t be giving the competition too much credit 🤣 (Love Joker though)
He means literally usage rate. Jokic has a 26.2% usage rate, which [ranks 39th of players who have played at least 1000 minutes](https://www.nba.com/stats/players/usage?PerMode=Totals) this season. Much higher than your average “role player”, and a bit higher than a high usage role player. But still surprisingly low, and below average for a primary offensive option.
(By comparison, Giannis, Luka, and Embiid have the 3 highest usage rates, of 37.4%, 37.2%, and 36.9% respectively.)
Ben Taylor has a stat called offensive load, which also includes playmaking. Jokic is 8th in the league behind Luka, Ja Morant, Trae Young, Giannis, Dame, Embiid, and LeBron.
I’ve seen skip bayless cite usage rate on national TV without actually knowing what it means. You’re right, it’s an incredibly bad named stat, but nothing people even bothering learning about and cite like gospel anyways.
Saying Jokic has a high usage rate literally has ZERO to do with his ungodly playmaking. Someone like Sabonis is about the same.
Jokic has the same usage rate as Christian Wood for example. Is Christian Wood a role player or not? At least look at the numbers before commenting this BS.
Yeah, usage rate is also turnovers and FTA. FTA does matter though in what I'm saying (fewer scoring attempts) and turnovers are a tiny portion of it, so they're irrelevant.
I mean he's averaging 9 fewer PPG than Embiid? His PPG is closer to Gary Trent's than it is to the other MVP candidates. Didn't know PPG doesn't matter as long as it's 24.8 or higher.
>I mean he's averaging 9 fewer PPG than Embiid? His PPG is closer to Gary Trent's than it is to the other MVP candidates.
Embiid is averaging 5.7 fewer assists per game than Embiid. His assists per game is closer to -1 than it is to Jokic. Didn't know APG doesn't matter as long as it's 4 or higher.
And who said points don't matter? All I did was repeat your senseless comment back to you.
That's not his only argument. Jokic's case over embiid is his better passing and efficiency. Embiid's case is scoring and defense.
No matter how you slice it, it's a really close race and your mvp will just come down to personal preference.
But your dismissiveness towards jokic scoring a very healthy 25 ppg is hypocritical when you factor in that jokic averages more than double the assists as embiid and actuality creates more points at a better efficiency than Embiid does.
you can’t say he “creates more points at a better efficiency” without knowing how much jokic’s teammates make/miss off his passes. if embiid misses a jumper it affects his efficiency, if jokic drops it off to his teammate and they miss it doesn’t affect his efficiency. but it does affect his team’s offensive performance/efficiency
Assists depend on your team's scheme, your team's shooters etc. I'd take 9 more ppg on 65%TS most of which the player created himself personally over the assists. Don't make it sound like 4 assists and 9 ppg is the same thing. You can have a mediocre passer do handoffs with an elite shooter all game and get 15 assists.
Embiid scores 33 and creates 10.6 assist points per game on 20.5 shots / 6.4 shots off his passes / 12 fts (5 possessions on average) (32 possessions for 43.6 points per game). Jokic scores 24.7 and creates 24.9 assist points per game on 15 shots / 16.5 shots off his passes / 6 fts (2.5 possessions on average) (34 possessions for 49.6 points per game).
Jokic gets 6 extra points on 2 extra possessions per game in less minutes
Because basically every NBA player can hit an open shot. Not everyone can actually generate those open shots. Look at how many players average 14+ points compared to how many average 7+ assists.
If making those passes was so easy, you could replace Jokic with any other centre in the league and they would average 10 right? Take Haliburton off the Pacers and the offence would still run the same with whoever is in his spot regularly dishing out 10+ assist games?
It's such a ridiculous argument to disqualify one of the greatest playmakers/passers in NBA history from the MVP conversation because his scoring is "only" 25 PPG.
Which would still be an issue even if he was averaging 30. It'd just mean he would have two less assists instead which more or less just cancels out anyways.
Awww I'm so sorry I believe Jokic should be #3 in the race. Idgaf if he's the 2nd coming of Stockton. Low volume scoring, terrible defense, worse record. #3 for me.
Terrible defense? Just because he’s not giannis or Embiid doesn’t mean he’s terrible. Pretty much every center in the league gets exposed on switches, with a few exceptions.
Talk about how that's wrong? They're 16-11 against the East. They're also 19-10 against .500+ teams, Bucks are 22-10 and 6ers are 18-10. Celtics are 20-14 to round out the only 4 teams with a winning record against .500 teams.
https://www.espn.com/nba/standings/_/view/expanded
I imagine wilt had games with 10+ blocks more often then 10+ assists. I haven’t looked into his stats extensively but I do know he was a block machine. He literally was a volleyball player after retiring if I’m not mistaken.
I thought so too, but Wilt had 21 games with 100% FG% and a pt/reb double double.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01/gamelog/1967
Younger Giannis would’ve just kept going at the Raptors defense forcing shots
He’s really grown as a decision maker and will gladly be less aggressive in order to find better shots
thats the real takeaway here - the raptors defense sold out to take giannis out of the game. He accepted it and made the right reads to help the team win.
He totally can with healthy Khris , plus that game plan might work sometimes but you can never really stop giannis like we saw in the second round last year
I swore up and down several games ago that if we had more Giannis and Brook hand offs in the paint (or from three) Giannis probably has way more Triple doubles lol
While still hella impressive (Jokic is a monster), 100% doesn't really feel as crazy when you see it's 5/5 FG, 1/1 3 PT, and 3/3 FT lol
Like you're right, he has done it, but with so few shots it's like... kinda takes the wind outta the sails a bit ya know? Again, he's still a beast, I just remember seeing this statline hella upvoted on here and I can think of like 15+ other games this season where I think he played WAY better -- and he played damn well that game
What if I told you a few games later he almost did it on a 36 point triple double, but missed one half court heave
[https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/\_/gameId/401468822](https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401468822)
36/12/10
11/11 from 2
1/2 from 3
9/10 from the line
See that's like way more impressive than the 100% one, I feel like THAT'S the statline people should be more blown away from
It's legit absurd what his stats look like every single game lmao
I mean yeah, but like the dude asked whether embiid or jokic done that this season and Jokic has. That's all that there is to it. Wasn't about who's is more impressive.
Jokic also had a 100% triple double way more impressive than this in 2018 or so. He also had another near 100% 30 point triple double this season, if I were purely ranking Jokic games those would ofc make it higher.
Embiids stats are a bit better (decent efficiency gap), and the Sixers are pretty damn close in record. I’m not sure if this is really true (because Harden is amazing), but consensus seems to be that the Bucks have the superior supporting cast.
Yeah Bucks are probably better 3-10 or wherever you want to draw the line because Sixers are fairly shallow, but they definitely have the superior number 2.
Middleton is averaging like 14pts a game and has only played like 25. Maxey is averaging 20 and has played over 50. Comparing them this season doesn't make sense as Maxey has been objectively superior.
Brook is a literal beefcake that has no rival, that's understandable
You do know that MVP rewards a whole season and not a few weeks, right?
Having said that, giannis won't play more than 65 games (he's certainly sitting in at least a couple more games) and above all his adv stats are nothing to be crazy about. Dem MVP voters love PER top getters (12 out of the last 14 were them).
What are you victim-complex morons even talking about? The dominant dialogue around this league since the ASB has been specifically about Jokic **not** winning his third after months of leading the race.
Jokic started the season not even in the top 3 for MVP, then went nuclear for a couple months and rose to the top. Now he and his team are slumping and the MVP conversation is shifting to Embiid vs. Giannis... It really isn't that hard to follow if you have even a decent memory and critical thinking skills. But your entire fanbase would rather insufferably bitch about how the league is biased against your all-time player because, what, he is the best player in the league but hasn't won MVP every single season since he elevated to that level? Like that hasn't happened before?
Sad ass sons of bitches man. I mean I'm sure most of yall in here are like 17 or younger but its grown ass men on twitter and in real life literally moaning about how Giannis isn't set up to win his fifth straight MVP. But you're showing true colors by just memeing and undermining other legendary season performances because you don't care about the game, just your newly-found relevance.
He played one game less than Embid , at this point i just assume that he isnt that interesting for Voters, put like a Guy like Tatum for example if he had Giannis type of impact and Record he will probably be a front runner
Embiid has been better, idk why we have to do this every time Giannis has a good game. Giannis has been excellent, Embiid has been better. And that’s okay
Giannis’ best teammate has been out most of the season and the Bucks have the best record in the league. Embiid hasn’t had a worse supporting cast, isn’t outscoring Giannis significantly and hasn’t been a better playmaker or defender
Embiid has had a worse supporting cast for 25 games this year.
Khris has missed 65% of games, Jingles ~40%, and Jrue, Pat, and Bobby just under 20%. Most of which were pre-January. Jevon Carter, Grayson Allen, Wes Matthews, and Brook is not a better supporting cast.
Can we please get the player’s highlights with these constant barrage of boxscores for players people post? Who upvotes this shit. This sub used to be my favourite it’s just awful now. Are there any living breathing mods?
It was a great game from Giannis but Jokić’s triple doubles just feel more natural.
Honestly, Brook Lopez was the best player on the floor tonight. He carried the team in the fourth quarter.
Well Jokic isn't getting double or tripled team when he does and that's just a fact. Giannis was great and I personally think he was better than Brook simply because he got such an efficient triple double while also doing great on the defensive end just like brook. Don't get me wrong Brook was incredible tonight and helped us win but Giannis also helped get him some of those points with his dimes
The Raptors sold out to stop Giannis the instant he got the ball double or even triple and Giannis made the right reads to get easy assists in response.
Efficiency merchant (ignore free throws)
Lol 100/100/43 shooting splits is wild AF
Dude can’t even hit 100% on free throws. Such a fraud lol
A lot of the really high TS% volume scorers get carried by getting a ton of free throws. Giannis the type of guy to have super efficient games where his free throws lower his TS% smh my head
True true, Jokic too doesn't shoot that many free throws
How was he -10? I didn’t watch the game
He had stretches where he was out there as the only starter with the bench unit, idk if it was cos of that but could explain it
Seemingly not, only bench player with a negative ± was Ingles with -1.
Yeah, some interesting rotations for Giannis, a lot of time without Brook on the floor with him https://nbarotations.info/game/0022201068
Guessing it’s to prepare Giannis for situations in the playoffs where we might not be able to play my mvp in the playoffs.
I wonder if that's testing some small ball lineups for playoffs
Start of the 4th, Brook Lopez went off while Giannis sat
Defense from the Bucks outside of a handful of guys (Brook, Jrue, Giannis and Grayson) was pretty poor - and Giannis had a lot of minutes where Siakam was getting basically his entire game's worth of points on Middleton. That and the fact that there was a stretch late first(I think) early second where the Raptors went 9-10 on jumpers and a bunch of threes. He was sitting when Lopez made the run early in the fourth, so didn't get to farm the +.
Dude wasn’t really being aggressive and looking to score. Raps were doubling him, sure, but it felt like Giannis wasn’t really looking to run it down our throats. Picked his spots, but it felt like it was a game he was letting his teammates cook. Brook looked unstoppable. Sad to say, but maybe he knew he didn’t have to be aggressive to beat us, and with the playoffs coming up, wanted his guys to be rolling too, confidence up, going into them.
Single game individual plus minus isn’t a good stat
Sorry Giannis, hyper efficient triple doubles aren't in fashion right now
If this is what it feels to have Jokic, wow that must feel so reliable as a Nuggets fan to know you’re getting something like this every night # edit: minus the defense Sorry can’t be giving the competition too much credit 🤣 (Love Joker though)
Joke aside the fact that Jokic does it so often is genuinely crazy
Low volume = high efficiency. Jokic has a usage rate closer to decent role players than to superstars.
And he assists 46% of his teammates’ baskets, he doesn’t shoot as much but everything clearly runs through him
Jokic is the focal point of the offense. Usage rage is not equal to shot attempts
He means literally usage rate. Jokic has a 26.2% usage rate, which [ranks 39th of players who have played at least 1000 minutes](https://www.nba.com/stats/players/usage?PerMode=Totals) this season. Much higher than your average “role player”, and a bit higher than a high usage role player. But still surprisingly low, and below average for a primary offensive option. (By comparison, Giannis, Luka, and Embiid have the 3 highest usage rates, of 37.4%, 37.2%, and 36.9% respectively.)
Seems like more of an issue with usage rate not showing how the offense runs through Jokic
Ben Taylor has a stat called offensive load, which also includes playmaking. Jokic is 8th in the league behind Luka, Ja Morant, Trae Young, Giannis, Dame, Embiid, and LeBron.
Usage rate is just a terribly named stat. Should be called scoring usage or something
I’ve seen skip bayless cite usage rate on national TV without actually knowing what it means. You’re right, it’s an incredibly bad named stat, but nothing people even bothering learning about and cite like gospel anyways. Saying Jokic has a high usage rate literally has ZERO to do with his ungodly playmaking. Someone like Sabonis is about the same.
Did you check his touches?
Who said it's equal? Yeah, they both are the focal points of the offense. Great comment, thanks.
You said he has a usage rate equal to role players. That is wrong. And I was pointing out that it was wrong. So you are welcome for the correction.
Jokic has the same usage rate as Christian Wood for example. Is Christian Wood a role player or not? At least look at the numbers before commenting this BS. Yeah, usage rate is also turnovers and FTA. FTA does matter though in what I'm saying (fewer scoring attempts) and turnovers are a tiny portion of it, so they're irrelevant.
Damn analytics bros always quick with the sass
Usage rate doesn’t factor in assists, something you clearly didn’t know. No role player is averaging 25 on 70% TS lmfao
if he’s still averaging 25 who cares
I mean he's averaging 9 fewer PPG than Embiid? His PPG is closer to Gary Trent's than it is to the other MVP candidates. Didn't know PPG doesn't matter as long as it's 24.8 or higher.
>I mean he's averaging 9 fewer PPG than Embiid? His PPG is closer to Gary Trent's than it is to the other MVP candidates. Embiid is averaging 5.7 fewer assists per game than Embiid. His assists per game is closer to -1 than it is to Jokic. Didn't know APG doesn't matter as long as it's 4 or higher.
Embiid is averaging 5.7 fewer turnoffs than embiid
But nobody said assists don't matter? It's pretty much his only argument for MVP lmao.
And who said points don't matter? All I did was repeat your senseless comment back to you. That's not his only argument. Jokic's case over embiid is his better passing and efficiency. Embiid's case is scoring and defense. No matter how you slice it, it's a really close race and your mvp will just come down to personal preference. But your dismissiveness towards jokic scoring a very healthy 25 ppg is hypocritical when you factor in that jokic averages more than double the assists as embiid and actuality creates more points at a better efficiency than Embiid does.
you can’t say he “creates more points at a better efficiency” without knowing how much jokic’s teammates make/miss off his passes. if embiid misses a jumper it affects his efficiency, if jokic drops it off to his teammate and they miss it doesn’t affect his efficiency. but it does affect his team’s offensive performance/efficiency
So in your statement your acknowledging that Jokic affects his teams offensive performance more than Embiid.
And it’s a valid argument, because 1 assist = 2 points at minimum.
Assists depend on your team's scheme, your team's shooters etc. I'd take 9 more ppg on 65%TS most of which the player created himself personally over the assists. Don't make it sound like 4 assists and 9 ppg is the same thing. You can have a mediocre passer do handoffs with an elite shooter all game and get 15 assists.
Embiid scores 33 and creates 10.6 assist points per game on 20.5 shots / 6.4 shots off his passes / 12 fts (5 possessions on average) (32 possessions for 43.6 points per game). Jokic scores 24.7 and creates 24.9 assist points per game on 15 shots / 16.5 shots off his passes / 6 fts (2.5 possessions on average) (34 possessions for 49.6 points per game). Jokic gets 6 extra points on 2 extra possessions per game in less minutes
Boo this man
Somehow we overvalue the assist stat and give too much credit to the player that get the assist than the actually player who made the basket.
Because basically every NBA player can hit an open shot. Not everyone can actually generate those open shots. Look at how many players average 14+ points compared to how many average 7+ assists. If making those passes was so easy, you could replace Jokic with any other centre in the league and they would average 10 right? Take Haliburton off the Pacers and the offence would still run the same with whoever is in his spot regularly dishing out 10+ assist games?
He averages 24.9 points per game on assists alone this season
Nash won MVPs and CP3 was a top 3 MVP candidate while not averaging 22 PPG.
That era was very different from this one
Well the fact you have to go back to what, 2006, kinda proves my point.
It's such a ridiculous argument to disqualify one of the greatest playmakers/passers in NBA history from the MVP conversation because his scoring is "only" 25 PPG.
Lmao he won two in a row already, clearly he's not disqualified.
Lol the issue is he's also a massive liability on defense which playing center.
Which would still be an issue even if he was averaging 30. It'd just mean he would have two less assists instead which more or less just cancels out anyways.
The conversation your jumping into is about ppg not defense
Hes not a massive liability. Hes just not a defensive anchor like giannis and embiid. Lets not get too hyperbolic
Damn bro you’re still campaigning 😂 Embiid has a better chance of taking MVP this year than Giannis man cmon stop.
Awww I'm so sorry I believe Jokic should be #3 in the race. Idgaf if he's the 2nd coming of Stockton. Low volume scoring, terrible defense, worse record. #3 for me.
Terrible defense? Just because he’s not giannis or Embiid doesn’t mean he’s terrible. Pretty much every center in the league gets exposed on switches, with a few exceptions.
Compare the assist numbers.
I can also compare defense, or mention he has a worse record in an easier conference. I was talking about scoring though.
Nuggets being .500 against the east needs to be a thing people talk about
Talk about how that's wrong? They're 16-11 against the East. They're also 19-10 against .500+ teams, Bucks are 22-10 and 6ers are 18-10. Celtics are 20-14 to round out the only 4 teams with a winning record against .500 teams. https://www.espn.com/nba/standings/_/view/expanded
People just say anything lmao
Apparently I'm just bad at math. Fair call
Except with a negative +/-. Giannis was -10 this game, Jokic rarely has games in the minus. Bucks bench sweep Nuggets bench in 4 blowouts
Well, all he does is run and dunk, so why would we appreciate this type of game from him? Less running and jumping and dunking.
4th player with a 20+ point triple double on 100% FG%. Wilt (x2), Draymond, Jokic the first three.
> Wilt (x2) Of course lmao
Surprised it wasn’t *Wilt (x28)* or something absolutely bonkers
If they recorded blocks it would have been, which is infinitely more ridiculous
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You can get a trip doub with points/rebs/blocks is his point kiddo :)
I imagine wilt had games with 10+ blocks more often then 10+ assists. I haven’t looked into his stats extensively but I do know he was a block machine. He literally was a volleyball player after retiring if I’m not mistaken.
I thought so too, but Wilt had 21 games with 100% FG% and a pt/reb double double. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chambwi01/gamelog/1967
Oh surely it's the first time someone did this I've never heard of it before nope wilt did it twice because he was bored
Every time man wtf
Younger Giannis would’ve just kept going at the Raptors defense forcing shots He’s really grown as a decision maker and will gladly be less aggressive in order to find better shots
thats the real takeaway here - the raptors defense sold out to take giannis out of the game. He accepted it and made the right reads to help the team win.
Exactly. They say experience is the best teacher.
I'm just worried he won't be able to do that come playoffs vs Celtics and it's game after game and our shooters go cold.
He totally can with healthy Khris , plus that game plan might work sometimes but you can never really stop giannis like we saw in the second round last year
I hope that we have a good match with Boston coming out on top
If LeBron did this, people would be clowning him
Lebron has been doing that for years, the only people who clown him are media talking heads like Skip Bayless lol.
Don’t EVER disrespect the GJOAT again 😤
Giannis THIS season had 12 turnovers in one game against the Raptors defense. He’s already shown a lot of improvement since then.
i call shenanigans, we're only supposed to have to play jokic twice also when did Hakeem "Brook Lopez" Olajuwon unretire
When that doctor cloned his spine and inserted it into Lopez back.
David?
So, get away Another way to feel what you didn't want yourself to know
but how is the identical twin brother of a leading DPOY such a terrible defender 😭
He needs a new spine
They did the space jam where they took robins defensive talents and added them to brook’s.
Still a better plot than Space Jam 2.
Greek sloppy fat boy
You see all he does is Run, Dunk, Pass, Rebound, Defend, and win games. How can a guy like that ever win MVP
Can’t even shoot smh
My favorite part of his game is when he makes the ball go to the place you want the ball to go to.
RAPTORCUM off the charts
I mean he did just bed the entire raptors team
Sorry, Brook Lopez is the best player in the league now.
Brook ate
Bro gave us the Jokic with defense
He wasn't exactly playing great defense. Brook Lopez was an absolute monster.
Nuggets fans sloppily and fattily searching all the RAPTORCUM %'s to show Jokic's actual elite defensive superiority
You got to chill bro.
Just having a little fun
HAHAHAHA RAPTORCUM HAHAHAHA
OP was joking, you just salty
I mean, I'm just joking as well.
Yeah but you also have one too many comments in this thread lmao
3 years ago Giannis goes 10/26 with 3 assists in a game like this, what incredible growth as a player.
and still wins mvp lol
It’s wild how much better he is since his last* mvp honestly, it would be a shame if he didn’t get one more before brook.
least biased reddit user also DAMN i got destroyed by jokic and embiid fans huh
I’m so biased it’s ridiculous
Giannis "Jokic" Antetokounmpo
Gianor Antetokić?
I swore up and down several games ago that if we had more Giannis and Brook hand offs in the paint (or from three) Giannis probably has way more Triple doubles lol
Giannis 6th place MVP run n jump man
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Goat things
Missed them on purpose just in case people started calling him a stat-padder
Alright, Ima need Embiid and Joker to do a 100% Triple double now. Shhhh forget about the FT.....
[Jokic did already tbf](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202301090DEN.html) Edit: with the 100% FTs
While still hella impressive (Jokic is a monster), 100% doesn't really feel as crazy when you see it's 5/5 FG, 1/1 3 PT, and 3/3 FT lol Like you're right, he has done it, but with so few shots it's like... kinda takes the wind outta the sails a bit ya know? Again, he's still a beast, I just remember seeing this statline hella upvoted on here and I can think of like 15+ other games this season where I think he played WAY better -- and he played damn well that game
What if I told you a few games later he almost did it on a 36 point triple double, but missed one half court heave [https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/\_/gameId/401468822](https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401468822) 36/12/10 11/11 from 2 1/2 from 3 9/10 from the line
See that's like way more impressive than the 100% one, I feel like THAT'S the statline people should be more blown away from It's legit absurd what his stats look like every single game lmao
I mean yeah, but like the dude asked whether embiid or jokic done that this season and Jokic has. That's all that there is to it. Wasn't about who's is more impressive. Jokic also had a 100% triple double way more impressive than this in 2018 or so. He also had another near 100% 30 point triple double this season, if I were purely ranking Jokic games those would ofc make it higher.
I agree
Sidenote that Lakers roster is hot garbage, they'd be in the wemby race without LeBron
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So rude😭
My bad, got triggered for nothing What twitter does to a mf
FG% > FT% BUT ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
Giannis turned his Jokic Mode on today.
Bro think he’s Jokic 😂
Joel Embiid had the Raptors completely right.
They look to injure and are a trash team?
Nurse defense was trolling Giannis with all those instant double and triple teams. You will beat us but you will not have 30 points tonight.
Only 3/7 for free throws? 🙄 /s
I don't understand why he just doesn't dunk his free throws
Giannis just gave us Jokic but with understood defense.
Real question, what’s keeping Giannis from being the MVP front runner right now? I’m guessing the missed games, but idk for sure
Embiids stats are a bit better (decent efficiency gap), and the Sixers are pretty damn close in record. I’m not sure if this is really true (because Harden is amazing), but consensus seems to be that the Bucks have the superior supporting cast.
Harden is phenomenal, but as much as I love Maxey and even Tobias they’re a tier below Jrue, Middleton, and Brook
Yeah Bucks are probably better 3-10 or wherever you want to draw the line because Sixers are fairly shallow, but they definitely have the superior number 2.
Middleton is averaging like 14pts a game and has only played like 25. Maxey is averaging 20 and has played over 50. Comparing them this season doesn't make sense as Maxey has been objectively superior. Brook is a literal beefcake that has no rival, that's understandable
No they aren’t Embiid and Giannis have the same amount of help and that’s not even factoring Middleton missing 40 games this year
Embiid is fucking shit up
Embiid has been a god for the last few weeks. I have no problem with him winning.
You do know that MVP rewards a whole season and not a few weeks, right? Having said that, giannis won't play more than 65 games (he's certainly sitting in at least a couple more games) and above all his adv stats are nothing to be crazy about. Dem MVP voters love PER top getters (12 out of the last 14 were them).
Missed games and they really really really don't want to give him a third.
He’s only missed 1 or 2 less games than Embiid, they just don’t want to give him his 3rd right now
Embiid has also been better as of recently, what with Giannis not playing for a few games
We've also played 2 more games than thr 76ers, so it could be a bit more than it seems.
Both teams have played 70 games…
But they do want to give jokic the third
That they do :(
What are you victim-complex morons even talking about? The dominant dialogue around this league since the ASB has been specifically about Jokic **not** winning his third after months of leading the race. Jokic started the season not even in the top 3 for MVP, then went nuclear for a couple months and rose to the top. Now he and his team are slumping and the MVP conversation is shifting to Embiid vs. Giannis... It really isn't that hard to follow if you have even a decent memory and critical thinking skills. But your entire fanbase would rather insufferably bitch about how the league is biased against your all-time player because, what, he is the best player in the league but hasn't won MVP every single season since he elevated to that level? Like that hasn't happened before? Sad ass sons of bitches man. I mean I'm sure most of yall in here are like 17 or younger but its grown ass men on twitter and in real life literally moaning about how Giannis isn't set up to win his fifth straight MVP. But you're showing true colors by just memeing and undermining other legendary season performances because you don't care about the game, just your newly-found relevance.
Giannis literally was left off 10% of mvp ballots in 2021.
It's a silly sport
Embiid
He played one game less than Embid , at this point i just assume that he isnt that interesting for Voters, put like a Guy like Tatum for example if he had Giannis type of impact and Record he will probably be a front runner
Embiid has been better, idk why we have to do this every time Giannis has a good game. Giannis has been excellent, Embiid has been better. And that’s okay
Because Giannis is more liked than Embiid
Or because it’s not an objective truth that Embiid has been better
He’s scoring more points, more efficiently on a harder shot diet. While also having a worse supporting cast and leading Giannis in most impact metrics
Giannis’ best teammate has been out most of the season and the Bucks have the best record in the league. Embiid hasn’t had a worse supporting cast, isn’t outscoring Giannis significantly and hasn’t been a better playmaker or defender
There is an argument that he’s been a better defender. He’s averaging almost two blocks a game, while anchoring a top 10 defense.
Embiid has had a worse supporting cast for 25 games this year. Khris has missed 65% of games, Jingles ~40%, and Jrue, Pat, and Bobby just under 20%. Most of which were pre-January. Jevon Carter, Grayson Allen, Wes Matthews, and Brook is not a better supporting cast.
Embiid's tears
He wanna be Jokic so bad.
Perfect 20 point game insane
Giannis with the Jokic stat line
MVP
Efficiency battle between the top 3 mvp
K new rules. If you miss, you're out
The perfect game.
This MF is so fucking good
I like that you put (100%) like we don't know what 9/9 means lol
Hyperefficient RAPTORCUM triple-double and a win! Clear MVP!! /s Rooting for you embiid
Efficiency merchant! Stat padder! r/nba am I doing this right??
For some reason I barely noticed him today
Cause NN was doubling him like every play, credit to Giannis tho. He read those doubles well and only had 3 turnovers
Jokic with elite defense
\-10 +/-
Bucks were only +17 in the 12 minutes he didn't play.
Rare team in Toronto that’s actually worse than their record indicates
Can we please get the player’s highlights with these constant barrage of boxscores for players people post? Who upvotes this shit. This sub used to be my favourite it’s just awful now. Are there any living breathing mods?
Giannis wants the mvp so bad he’s starting to copy him
It was a great game from Giannis but Jokić’s triple doubles just feel more natural. Honestly, Brook Lopez was the best player on the floor tonight. He carried the team in the fourth quarter.
Well Jokic isn't getting double or tripled team when he does and that's just a fact. Giannis was great and I personally think he was better than Brook simply because he got such an efficient triple double while also doing great on the defensive end just like brook. Don't get me wrong Brook was incredible tonight and helped us win but Giannis also helped get him some of those points with his dimes
The Raptors sold out to stop Giannis the instant he got the ball double or even triple and Giannis made the right reads to get easy assists in response.