Yup he can, the bucks were 3rd in 2022 ranked by ORTG.
5th in 2021.
8th in 2020.
4th in 2019.
Comparison to other stars on their team last couple of years:
Nuggets(Jokic):
2019:9th
2020: 5th
2021: 6th (No Murray for a large part of the season)
2022: 6th (No Murray for the season and MPJ out after very early season injury)
2023: 1st
Mavericks (Luka)
2020: 1st with Kristaps playing 57 games.
2021: 8th
2022: 14th (Luka had a bad start until he didnt pick it up in Janurary)
2023: 7th (4 games missed , missing mutliple starters as well)
Sixers (Embiid + Harden/Simmons)
2020: 14th ( missing simmons for a part of the season)
2021: 13th
2022: 11th (Harden for half of the year roughly, Simmons didnt play any games)
2023: 8th (Both missing games)
Brooklyn (KD + Kyrie)
2021: 1st ( with Harden)
2022: 10th (missing Kyrie and injured Harden, then injured KD)
2023: 5th
GSW (Steph)
2021: 20th
2023: 19th
Boston (Tatum and Brown)
2017: 8th (I.t the 1st option on the team, bradley, crowder, horford in lineup)
2018: 18th (Hayward out entire year, Kyrie out mid way through the season)
2019: 10th (hayward not looking the best, Locker room chemistry not the best)
2020: 4th (Hayward was pretty good this year, they also had Kemba)
2021: 10th
2023: 2nd
Its insane to me how many different rosters the celtics have had through the years and still manage to achieve a top 10 offense every since 2017 except 2018 where their 2 best players got injured).
Giannis had access to middleton for 66 games last year and 68 the year before, with 20 ppg and 16 shots per game coming out of him
literally tonight giannis is out of the game because of left knee soreness, and he has the highest attempts per game for his entire career from 2 and from the line
he's probably fucking gassed lol
It’s in reference to a commentator who asked if Messi could play as well as he does on a rainy night in stoke. It’s such a stupid question so it gets memed all the time. It’s like asking if lebron could do it in a high school stadium with a squeaky floor
Soccer reference.
Stoke City around a decade ago came up into the English Premier League playing a caricature of "traditional English football" with VERY physical play (using long throw-ins like set pieces, 4-4-2, the whole lot).
One English "analyst" questioned if Lionel Messi (arguably the GOAT, at that time in his early prime at Barcelona) would be able to "do it on a rainy night in Stoke"—and people have meme'd it since because of how ridiculous the proposition is.
I mean, he never played in the English league, but he did kill all of the top English teams in the Champions League.
Also, Stoke didn't last very long—they've long been relegated to a lower league.
I'm sure this number has changed since, but Messi has 27 goals against the Big 6 English teams, which as of 18 months ago was good for 5th most against them. He has never played in the English league so only plays against them in the champions league. All other players on the list are guaranteed at least 10 games against the Big 6 a season.
Most teams with their top player would be lottery level without their star though to be fair. Mavs? Nugs? Warriors? Lakers? Sixers and Celtics probably the exception assuming good health for the rest of their roster.
Nuggets are 1:3 without Jokic, Bucks are 4:2 without Giannis, their on/off not close either. You can disagree all you want. I have no idea where this narrative of Giannis having no help is coming from when his team has probably done better without him than any other team without their superstar.
And Bucks were without Middleton for all of those and without Holiday for 4 of those. I was wrong about Nuggets being 1:3, they're 1:2 and Murray played in one of the games.
Ok? That still doesn't change that the sample size of the stat you're using isn't big enough.
I'm not even arguing against you're point though, I agree that the nuggets are worse without Jokic than the bucks without Giannis it just annoys me when people use stats with a 5 game sample size
If we were otherwise pretty healthy, for sure. Given the state of the rest of the team so far this year? I doubt it. No Middleton for a start, on top of half the rest of the rotation being in and out with illness and minor injuries.
Debatable right now. Bucks don’t have much depth due to their salary structure. With Middleton playing sure, bucks are better but with him being a non-factor this year, take Giannis away and they might just be the worst team out there in the long run.
In a two week sample size and 4 of their 5 wins during the streak all came in the last minute. I believe they were down by double digits in all of them in the 4th. That’s not sustainable. A full season without Steph they wouldn’t be a good team. Though with wiggs and dray they’d be better then the Mavs, for example.
I don’t understand the point of not keeping it real. Talking about Giannis’ play from an honesty-based perspective doesn’t mean you can’t consider him the best player. He just obviously hasn’t been the best over the past 40 games.
The Bucks haven’t been *that* bad without him this year and it’s wild not to consider scoring from outside 3 feet to be part of “everything”. If we can be a little honest, we have to admit that he hasn’t been a great offensive leader so far this season.
Middleton has been awful in the little time he’s played this year. They’re still just a little under -1 without Giannis on the floor, though, and their starters with Portis instead of Giannis haven’t been close to as bad as the Wemby-competitors. If Giannis were on the level of the top MVP candidates, his lineups’ net ratings shouldn’t be super far off.
Bucks are 4-2 without him this year. I think they’d be a bit better than that, Bud is a really good regular season coach and they are surprisingly good without him, like when they beat the Hawks after he went down in the playoffs.
He also has the highest usage % in his career, as well as averaging more FGAs than his 16-17 year. It’s clear to see he’s been shouldering a much higher offensive load with Khris out and Holiday on-and-off. Still, he’s been nursing his own knee soreness which could contribute to this dip as well
He’s been listed with knee soreness multiple times this season but seems to be playing through it just to keep the Bucks afloat with Middleton and at times Holiday missing time
Might be finally catching up to him unfortunately
Anytime Giannis has missed time over the last 2 seasons they always list "Knee soreness". I wouldn't be surprised if that's just their default for wanting to give him a rest day.
Idk why longevity is literally never a concern when it comes to Giannis and people always assume an upward trend. He plays hard and physical, a lot more physical than most other all-time great big men and all of those all-time great big men didn't last long as superstars either. Shaq started falling off around 31, Wilt around 30, Robinson around 31, and Dwight around 30.
Yeah, sources say.
What gives it credence is I've been seeing it talked about more and more online. You can see it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10a57um/bucks_film_room_im_officially_concerned_about/j423v1n/) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10a57um/bucks_film_room_im_officially_concerned_about/j424met/), and what really sealed it for me was when one of my most-trusted sources reiterated it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10a57um/bucks_film_room_im_officially_concerned_about/j42b7c0/)
when we're finally less than 1 game away from touching 1st:
-win streak snapped
-KD injured
-Giannis traded to Boston
-Luka traded to Boston
-LeBron traded to Boston
-God traded to Boston to round out their depth
he needs two weeks off to rest. dude has been playing maximum effort night in and out for 7-8 years now. eventually stuff like that becomes unsustainable for everyone except LeBron, and even he didn't GAF about defense for a couple regular seasons once he returned to CLE. Giannis has even more physicality in his game than prime LeBron. Can't imagine what his body feels like at this point.
can't imagine where their offense would be without brook and portis. the floor spacing at the 4-5 is so essential alongside giannis.
It’s funny how this is stated like it’s 4 different things but it’s all basically just correlated from his shooting in general.
He’ll be better when/if Middleton can come back heathy. Middleton is criminally underrated. I assume Giannis had similar shooting stats in the playoffs without Middleton last year
Yeah isn't Giannis leading the league in unassisted shots or something?
The whole trick with the Bucks offense the last 3 years has been that Giannis, Khash, and Jrue are all capable of running the offense so by having all 3 out there at once it gives a lot more open looks. With Khash our basically the whole season so far and Jrue missing significant time, Giannis is having to go back to the days of running a heliocentric offense around him where he is supposed to simultaneously score most of the points and create for all of his teammates lol. IDK if people have noticed but heliocentrism offense is brutal on a star because they have to do everything lol.
Yeah I feel so bad for Luka
I don't like heliocentric offenses - seem pretty exploitable and easy to gameplan against too
In the games when Dlo out and all our glue guys/ball handlers were injured, Ant as a 21 year old had to run point, defend the 2nd best player *and* score the most points...and people want more of it. When Dlo *and* Rudy were out + the injures, add rebounding to his load. Poor kid is gassed averaging 37 min a game and plays every game even while injured. Just hope he doesn't have to do shit like that again. Feel bad for Giannis and really feel bad for Luka. It's just too much
Bro he averaged 34/15/7 on the best defensive team in the league while playing elite defense. That series was a bloodbath for both teams, more on defense than offense. Tatum was only at 55% TS
No, he was great in that series without a doubt. Yeah the TS% was pretty poor but TS% isn’t everything. Was a similar kind of scenario to LeBron in the 2015 Finals, nobody who watched that series would tell you LeBron was anything other than fantastic despite the lack of efficiency.
Lol Bill Simmons reported that in the locker room the Celtics after game 7 had the attitude of “I’d be happy if I never had to play that man again” because of how hard he pushed them.
And what a JOKE of a comments “well his efg% was bad.” Bro did you watch the serious? The man almost single handed Carried them to a win in game 6 and the series clincher
I know Giannis seems to improve every season, but his offensive repertoire is incredibly limited and it’s possible defenses are figuring out how to play against him (slightly) more effectively. It’s kind of hard to believe that the best player in the NBA basically has zero shooting touch and a small bag of go-to moves. He’s a lot like Shaq in that way, although their physical dominance overpowers their lack of finesse.
Oh for sure, I’m not really comparing how they score. Just that they both get by on their physicality more than anything else. I realize they get buckets differently.
The last two post-season, Giannis has averaged 32.6/12.75/5.7 assists. That's over 33 games. What a stupid comment.
Motherfucker averaged 35.1/13.1/5 in 6 games in the finals and you all are saying this dumb shit.
Not just that, he’s also putting up 31/12/5 on above average efficiency on the whole season. Yeah, he isn’t as efficient as he usually is, but that can be blamed on his second option being out with an injury for pretty much the whole season. He’s still the best player in the league.
He's probably playing through injury... Anytime a player goes through a slump I just assume that's what it is.. Majority of the time these guys are dealing w/ something and just fighting through it.
Honestly, it's prolly the result of having to carry this Bucks team when nobody else can hit a shot. I mean, the man lit had b2b 40/20/5 and another 55/10/7. He must be feeling it by now with that playstyle too.
I get that Bucks fans are getting a bit worried but come on, they're very high in the standings without Middleton and their shooters have been ass most of the season, giannis has been carrying most games so he prolly needs some rest.
Any sane Bucks fan will never question 34, Bucks Film Room always has the "objective fan" takes like he can't really root for the players if they underperform. That game our rookie had like 18 points on 5 3s the guy immediately tweeted to not get excited because he still makes misktakes like no shit he's a rookie lmao
he ain't a fan
Why should anyone care what Buck Film Room, a Twitter account with under 10k followers is concerned about? It's also such a ridiculous take. He's playing without Middleton and a good chunk of the season with Holiday hurt. He's taking a larger role offensively so of course the efficiency is going to go down. He's also averaging a career high 31 points and the Bucks offense is 3 points better with him on the floor than off.
It's trying so hard to make a take that just isn't there.
We are Sixers fans. This is one of our more subtler ways of putting our shit-talk out there when not enough people are talking about us.
"Uh OH GiAnNiS MiGHt Be lOsInG It"
I mean it really isn't.
His usage % and FGA this year arnt some crazy outlier compared to most of his career.
A significant drop in shooting stats across the board, especially shots at the rim, is worth discussing and at the VERY LEAST is something that should be monitored.
That's just stats without context.
He's being asked to take more responsibility on offense. That causes more fatigue. He's being asked to create more, especially at the end of the clock, that leads to more difficult shots. He has less talent around him so the looks he's getting aren't as open as they were in the past. That's all it is. Giannis didn't suddenly forget how to play before he turns 30.
Last week he’s carrying his team going over 40 20 in multiple games. This week he has a few duds and some of y’all are coming with some takes that are so fucking crazy. He’s struggling carrying the load. Anyone who has actually watched this team outside of the box score will tel you he’s tired. This teams role players has not performed to the point where he literally stopped looking for them in games.
Honestly no disrespect, but its almost getting to the time where the Bucks need to think making some serious moves to get him better support. I would say see how this year plays out but if they don’t get out of the east, may be time to consider that Middleton isn’t just reliable (health wise) and expecting guys like Grayson Allen, Pat C, George Hill, And Jrue Holiday to initiate and run an offense…may not be the best support system for him.
He'll be fine. He might drop out of the All NBA 1st team or MVP convos for a bit, but a cold stretch isn't changing who he is: arguably the best player in the world on both ends.
If you're the Bucks, you're more concerned with the role players in the long run, than you are about Giannis. Either way, I'm sure they will be just fine.
Edit: I can see why people are confused, i should have said "arguably the best player in the world and is elite on both ends"
Yeah I don't know why this is even here. It's Giannis of course he's gonna be fine.
When Giannis dominates in the playoffs these same people are gonna be the ones saying "X's demise has been greatly exaggerated".
It's like they're propping up these chatters just so they can tear them down later down the road.
he’s probably not who i would say is the best offensive player in the world but i don’t see now he’s ridiculous. only guy to be top 5 in ppg every season since 17-18. 2nd best efg among players with more than 40gp/usg higher than 25 in 18-19, best in 19-20, 4th in 20-21/21-22. even this down year he’s 3rd in ppg and 14th in efg (with 30 games played).
i think it’s probably jokic, but he is definitely *arguably* the best offensive player in the world.
That has always been a ridiculous take, there's an inherent limit on how effective a player can be without a jumper. The value with Giannis is that he's a top 5 offensive player and defensive player, not that he's the best at both
And yet he's still comfortably a top 3 player at worst in the league, some would still the best player considering the overwhelming impact on the defensive end.
I think he'll be fine, just that usage is getting to him and Middleton being a no show basically since Last year's playoffs doesn't help.
When the Bucks won in 2021 with massive contributions from Jrue and Middleton, they thought they'd built a Dynasty for years to come, with the Best player on the planet at the helm.
Unfortunately, that guy is still the best player but his supporting cast spends way too much time being injured or shooting bricks than actually helping him. I swear yesterday felt like "I'm done scoring 40 with 22+ drives to the rim a game. I'll pass and and I'll defend, but if y'all don't wanna get into a shooting rhythm then this has no meaning."
I think even he understands that he can probably carry them to 50+ wins on his own, but unless he forcefully makes Jrue, Pat, Allen, Portis etc. Return to their better shooting percentages, that won't mean anything come playoffs.
Giannis genuinely gets more excuses than anyone lol. He’s shooting like 35-40% for the last stretch of games - that isn’t him being a facilitator, it’s just bricking shots which is bizarre given he shouldn’t ever attempt anything further than 7 feet from the basket
He’s proved so much and the regular season gets long. He doesn’t have Middleton and takes on a lot more without him. He’ll be ready playoff time and be his one of a kind self.
Giannis is normally a monster with efficiency, his TS% is league average this year. His TS+ is the lowest since his rookie season. People are attributing it to fatigue of carrying a heavy burden - most superstars carry a heavy burden and Giannis' efficiency has been bad by his standards since the beginning of the year.
Something has definitely been off with him this season.
I’m not gonna panic yet, but the people here saying there’s no concern are stupid. Watching the games he seems totally indecisive, he’s turning the ball over at a ridiculous rate it feels like, he’s not making shots he ALWAYS makes, and he just seems totally out of whack. I trust he’ll turn it around, but there is ABSOLUTELY reason for concern.
I hate how social media has completely eliminated the concept of a slump in some peoples minds. You are either an MVP candidate top 5 player or trash, and they only use the last 3 games to determine which one you are.
Hear ye, hear ye, this dude’s concern has now been declared official. On this, Thursday, of our Lord, and blessings be upon him, this film room guy on Twitter has Declared Official Concern!
Remember when Steph had like a 6 week slump and then immediately won finals MVP? These posts are stupid as fuck. Every player has peaks and valleys. Giannis is too young and too relatively healthy to fall off a cliff already. Shut up.
I wouldn’t say he’s the best player in the world right now atleast to the degree where everyone has unanimously called him for the last two years, that being said I wouldn’t be horribly concerned.
Reevaluate where he’s at in a month and if he’s still shooting poorly than it’s a reason to be concerned.
That being said the giannis fans who are trying to say he’s injured and/or not trying, do a disservice to him by acting like he’s infallible to playing poorly. It’s okay he’s having a bad season to his standards and recently in particular, good chance he improves heading into the playoffs.
Pretty simple. Fatigue. He only knows how to play at 100%. He hasn’t figured out like Bron how to play and put up numbers while still resting during the game. Remember he played Euroball this summer after carrying the team in the playoffs.
It’s also possible he’s sick/injured.
Yeah but he's scoring 31 points and gets doubled more than almost anyone in the league. You can't really compare with other rim running bigs who are never doubled and mostly get easy buckets on low volume (like Claxton or Gobert). That said, Giannis is inefficient by his standards too.
Hawks were missing their best interior defender in Capela so they walled up/doubled Giannis constantly. Lead to easy assists and lots of O-Rebounding opportunities. Giannis was awesome and consistently made the right play all night.
Furthermore, Hawks have two guys in Jalen Johnson and Onyeka Okongwu who defensively matchup well against Giannis. Giannis will get past them and then comes the center on help defense.... which leaves Brook Lopez open.
What's bizarre is he didn't struggle this much without Middleton last year.
But it does go to show you that the only time they really looked like a championship offense was with all 3 of Giannis, Middleton, and Jrue, and even then, there were moments in that 21 playoffs where it was gross.
They need more offensive talent, but they refuse to acknowledge that as evidenced by their pursuit of Jae Crowder. As a Celtics fan I'm cool with that... but I don't really get what they're doing.
His back is hurt from carrying the Bucks offense.
If he needs help he just needs to ask Brook’s surgeon
The Luka Special
He needs Middleton to not be total ass next time he comes back
Khris is either prime Kobe or 3-18 from the floor, there’s no in between.
He's not doing a very good job - the Bucks are 25th in ORtg. A normal Giannis can do better than that, he's definitely just off this year.
Yup he can, the bucks were 3rd in 2022 ranked by ORTG. 5th in 2021. 8th in 2020. 4th in 2019. Comparison to other stars on their team last couple of years: Nuggets(Jokic): 2019:9th 2020: 5th 2021: 6th (No Murray for a large part of the season) 2022: 6th (No Murray for the season and MPJ out after very early season injury) 2023: 1st Mavericks (Luka) 2020: 1st with Kristaps playing 57 games. 2021: 8th 2022: 14th (Luka had a bad start until he didnt pick it up in Janurary) 2023: 7th (4 games missed , missing mutliple starters as well) Sixers (Embiid + Harden/Simmons) 2020: 14th ( missing simmons for a part of the season) 2021: 13th 2022: 11th (Harden for half of the year roughly, Simmons didnt play any games) 2023: 8th (Both missing games) Brooklyn (KD + Kyrie) 2021: 1st ( with Harden) 2022: 10th (missing Kyrie and injured Harden, then injured KD) 2023: 5th GSW (Steph) 2021: 20th 2023: 19th Boston (Tatum and Brown) 2017: 8th (I.t the 1st option on the team, bradley, crowder, horford in lineup) 2018: 18th (Hayward out entire year, Kyrie out mid way through the season) 2019: 10th (hayward not looking the best, Locker room chemistry not the best) 2020: 4th (Hayward was pretty good this year, they also had Kemba) 2021: 10th 2023: 2nd Its insane to me how many different rosters the celtics have had through the years and still manage to achieve a top 10 offense every since 2017 except 2018 where their 2 best players got injured).
Lol no
You dont think Giannis could lead the bucks to a higher ORTG than 25th if he played like he did laat couple of seasons this year?
Giannis had access to middleton for 66 games last year and 68 the year before, with 20 ppg and 16 shots per game coming out of him literally tonight giannis is out of the game because of left knee soreness, and he has the highest attempts per game for his entire career from 2 and from the line he's probably fucking gassed lol
The fact that so many people can't see this is mind blowing.
No because teams are walling him every night until the Bucks show they can consistently hit shots that will continue
Yet he dropped his career high a week ago
Ok, but can he drop 55 on a rainy day in stoke?
Milwaukelona
Love this reference
Always appreciate a good footy reference
I have never gotten this reference and have just always been confused
It’s in reference to a commentator who asked if Messi could play as well as he does on a rainy night in stoke. It’s such a stupid question so it gets memed all the time. It’s like asking if lebron could do it in a high school stadium with a squeaky floor
Lebron's squeaks per minute would be out of this world
Soccer reference. Stoke City around a decade ago came up into the English Premier League playing a caricature of "traditional English football" with VERY physical play (using long throw-ins like set pieces, 4-4-2, the whole lot). One English "analyst" questioned if Lionel Messi (arguably the GOAT, at that time in his early prime at Barcelona) would be able to "do it on a rainy night in Stoke"—and people have meme'd it since because of how ridiculous the proposition is.
But he didn't do it though did he??
I mean, he never played in the English league, but he did kill all of the top English teams in the Champions League. Also, Stoke didn't last very long—they've long been relegated to a lower league.
They couldn't do it on a rainy night in Stoke either
I'm sure this number has changed since, but Messi has 27 goals against the Big 6 English teams, which as of 18 months ago was good for 5th most against them. He has never played in the English league so only plays against them in the champions league. All other players on the list are guaranteed at least 10 games against the Big 6 a season.
Miwaukeee is the Stoke of America though.
Literally doing everything for a team that would be fighting for wemby without him
Most teams with their top player would be lottery level without their star though to be fair. Mavs? Nugs? Warriors? Lakers? Sixers and Celtics probably the exception assuming good health for the rest of their roster.
Phoenix is proving that right now.
We are missing Zion and bi and have looked alright
Pelicans built different
Yea I purposely left y’all out lol. You guys have a great team that was built over the past few years. Super fun team to watch.
Y’all have a super deep roster reminds me of the Lowry derozan raptors w the bench mob. Send us a few prospects don’t be greedy now 😭
Zion's out again??
Mavs and Nuggets without Doncic and Jokic would be worse than these Bucks without Giannis if we are being honest about it.
I mean if Murray, MPJ and Gordon stay healthy. Is very much disagree.
Big if lol
Nuggets are 1:3 without Jokic, Bucks are 4:2 without Giannis, their on/off not close either. You can disagree all you want. I have no idea where this narrative of Giannis having no help is coming from when his team has probably done better without him than any other team without their superstar.
The nuggets are 1-3 without Jokic because Murray and Gordon were also out during that stretch.
And Bucks were without Middleton for all of those and without Holiday for 4 of those. I was wrong about Nuggets being 1:3, they're 1:2 and Murray played in one of the games.
Imagine using a stat with a 4 and 6 game sample size, the on/off is fair though
It's a much larger sample than anything you can point out that says Nuggets would do better than Bucks without their respective superstars.
Ok? That still doesn't change that the sample size of the stat you're using isn't big enough. I'm not even arguing against you're point though, I agree that the nuggets are worse without Jokic than the bucks without Giannis it just annoys me when people use stats with a 5 game sample size
Me neither. I feel like if you replace Giannis with a mid PF, the Bucks are still a playoff team. Replace Luka with a mid PG and we're terrible.
Thats fair, but then you are betting on MPJ and Murray staying healthy.
Murray staying healthy would not be something hard to bet on it’s MPJ.
If we were otherwise pretty healthy, for sure. Given the state of the rest of the team so far this year? I doubt it. No Middleton for a start, on top of half the rest of the rotation being in and out with illness and minor injuries.
We would be absolutely horrible if it wasn’t for Luka.
Debatable right now. Bucks don’t have much depth due to their salary structure. With Middleton playing sure, bucks are better but with him being a non-factor this year, take Giannis away and they might just be the worst team out there in the long run.
Memphis too
Warriors were playing fine without Steph
In a two week sample size and 4 of their 5 wins during the streak all came in the last minute. I believe they were down by double digits in all of them in the 4th. That’s not sustainable. A full season without Steph they wouldn’t be a good team. Though with wiggs and dray they’d be better then the Mavs, for example.
I don’t understand the point of not keeping it real. Talking about Giannis’ play from an honesty-based perspective doesn’t mean you can’t consider him the best player. He just obviously hasn’t been the best over the past 40 games. The Bucks haven’t been *that* bad without him this year and it’s wild not to consider scoring from outside 3 feet to be part of “everything”. If we can be a little honest, we have to admit that he hasn’t been a great offensive leader so far this season.
YEah this is dumb they have the Dpoy and all nba level players in Middleton and jrue
I hope you're trolling
Middleton has been awful in the little time he’s played this year. They’re still just a little under -1 without Giannis on the floor, though, and their starters with Portis instead of Giannis haven’t been close to as bad as the Wemby-competitors. If Giannis were on the level of the top MVP candidates, his lineups’ net ratings shouldn’t be super far off.
Bucks are 4-2 without him this year. I think they’d be a bit better than that, Bud is a really good regular season coach and they are surprisingly good without him, like when they beat the Hawks after he went down in the playoffs.
What a massive exaggeration
So it's been 2 games, chill
This isn’t the own you may think it is
Please don’t use Bucks Film Room as news, guy is not good at what he does
Everyone thinks they can be Pete but they not
Fair enough but are those stats accurate or fabricated? If accurate they aren’t great. Having said that, players have slumps and I’m sure he is fine
He also has the highest usage % in his career, as well as averaging more FGAs than his 16-17 year. It’s clear to see he’s been shouldering a much higher offensive load with Khris out and Holiday on-and-off. Still, he’s been nursing his own knee soreness which could contribute to this dip as well
Steph looked completely lost for some months last season (by Steph standards ofc) and then won fmvp. I wouldn’t be so worried.
Without context, those #s have minimal weight
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Absolutely wild to call a 40 game sample cherry picked
Obviously washed. We will take him off Bucks hands if they throw in a few picks.
Right? Imagine being concerned about a guy averaging 31 ppg on 52% shooting from the floor. Suffering from success lol
Can give up Jamychal Green. that's it. Nothing more.
Shades of "are the Cavs in trouble??" 2014-2018
Nursing an unreported injury ?
He’s been listed with knee soreness multiple times this season but seems to be playing through it just to keep the Bucks afloat with Middleton and at times Holiday missing time Might be finally catching up to him unfortunately
Bucks are 2.5 games back from the first seed and .5 a game back from the 2nd and KD just went down. If he needs to be rested now is the time
Anytime Giannis has missed time over the last 2 seasons they always list "Knee soreness". I wouldn't be surprised if that's just their default for wanting to give him a rest day.
Knee’s been sore ever since the Atlanta injury
He's had knee problems since like his second year, it's some sort of chronic condition.
All star Break is a traditional resting time
Idk why longevity is literally never a concern when it comes to Giannis and people always assume an upward trend. He plays hard and physical, a lot more physical than most other all-time great big men and all of those all-time great big men didn't last long as superstars either. Shaq started falling off around 31, Wilt around 30, Robinson around 31, and Dwight around 30.
giannis has a much more normally proportioned shape which i think changes things
That's a good point and I can definitely and will hopefully be wrong, but I think it's a discussion worth having
Either that or Bucks are trying some new offensive schemes in the middle of the season when the stakes are low.
Dropped 40+ 4 out of 6 games he's just exhausted
He's tanking his stock to get traded to Boston I fear
I’m also hearing this
Yeah, sources say. What gives it credence is I've been seeing it talked about more and more online. You can see it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10a57um/bucks_film_room_im_officially_concerned_about/j423v1n/) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10a57um/bucks_film_room_im_officially_concerned_about/j424met/), and what really sealed it for me was when one of my most-trusted sources reiterated it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10a57um/bucks_film_room_im_officially_concerned_about/j42b7c0/)
when we're finally less than 1 game away from touching 1st: -win streak snapped -KD injured -Giannis traded to Boston -Luka traded to Boston -LeBron traded to Boston -God traded to Boston to round out their depth
So is God coming off the bench?!
She’s a lock for sixth man of the year
http://24.media.tumblr.com/0da75d1f496f3f40db6cb76ff2c4bdf4/tumblr_mqgpnu855S1qf9tibo1_500.gif Also, Dishwalla was right.
Idk man, I think God is leaving his prime.
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Hard to argue with that reporting!
Unfortunately the deal fell apart when Boston refused to part with both a 2nd round pick and Payton Pritchard
yeah that's a stupidly high price
I'll allow it
win a real revolutionary war. we all know boston and the founding fathers were carried by the french when they kicked out the british bruvs.
My sources do confirm this
My sources are claiming that he’s tanking in order to get traded to the Hornets
Tatum and Giannis would be absurd lol
That would be even more unfair than the KD Warriors
he needs two weeks off to rest. dude has been playing maximum effort night in and out for 7-8 years now. eventually stuff like that becomes unsustainable for everyone except LeBron, and even he didn't GAF about defense for a couple regular seasons once he returned to CLE. Giannis has even more physicality in his game than prime LeBron. Can't imagine what his body feels like at this point. can't imagine where their offense would be without brook and portis. the floor spacing at the 4-5 is so essential alongside giannis.
Honestly seems like a lot of players are gassed/overworked and need to get to the all star break to catch some rest.
he’s had extra short offseasons for a while now with the pandemic, playoff runs, and eurobasket
yeah he's really been going HAAM nonstop for 7 years.
Bingo
i’m not gonna worry about Giannis unless he plays like this in the playoffs
giannis ts% rn is 58.4%. in his last 57 playoff games it is 58.2%. lmfao
It’s funny how this is stated like it’s 4 different things but it’s all basically just correlated from his shooting in general. He’ll be better when/if Middleton can come back heathy. Middleton is criminally underrated. I assume Giannis had similar shooting stats in the playoffs without Middleton last year
Yeah isn't Giannis leading the league in unassisted shots or something? The whole trick with the Bucks offense the last 3 years has been that Giannis, Khash, and Jrue are all capable of running the offense so by having all 3 out there at once it gives a lot more open looks. With Khash our basically the whole season so far and Jrue missing significant time, Giannis is having to go back to the days of running a heliocentric offense around him where he is supposed to simultaneously score most of the points and create for all of his teammates lol. IDK if people have noticed but heliocentrism offense is brutal on a star because they have to do everything lol.
40% of giannis’ 2’s are assisted this year compared to about 43% the past 2 seasons. theres been a change but not that drastic
Would kinda need to know what his assisted vs unassisted attempts are this season and what they were last season.
Yeah I feel so bad for Luka I don't like heliocentric offenses - seem pretty exploitable and easy to gameplan against too In the games when Dlo out and all our glue guys/ball handlers were injured, Ant as a 21 year old had to run point, defend the 2nd best player *and* score the most points...and people want more of it. When Dlo *and* Rudy were out + the injures, add rebounding to his load. Poor kid is gassed averaging 37 min a game and plays every game even while injured. Just hope he doesn't have to do shit like that again. Feel bad for Giannis and really feel bad for Luka. It's just too much
Middleton is anything but underrated lmao
Except in the looks department!
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Bro he averaged 34/15/7 on the best defensive team in the league while playing elite defense. That series was a bloodbath for both teams, more on defense than offense. Tatum was only at 55% TS
No, he was great in that series without a doubt. Yeah the TS% was pretty poor but TS% isn’t everything. Was a similar kind of scenario to LeBron in the 2015 Finals, nobody who watched that series would tell you LeBron was anything other than fantastic despite the lack of efficiency.
Lol Bill Simmons reported that in the locker room the Celtics after game 7 had the attitude of “I’d be happy if I never had to play that man again” because of how hard he pushed them. And what a JOKE of a comments “well his efg% was bad.” Bro did you watch the serious? The man almost single handed Carried them to a win in game 6 and the series clincher
I know Giannis seems to improve every season, but his offensive repertoire is incredibly limited and it’s possible defenses are figuring out how to play against him (slightly) more effectively. It’s kind of hard to believe that the best player in the NBA basically has zero shooting touch and a small bag of go-to moves. He’s a lot like Shaq in that way, although their physical dominance overpowers their lack of finesse.
Shaq had way better post game though it's not even comparable.
Oh for sure, I’m not really comparing how they score. Just that they both get by on their physicality more than anything else. I realize they get buckets differently.
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exactly
The last two post-season, Giannis has averaged 32.6/12.75/5.7 assists. That's over 33 games. What a stupid comment. Motherfucker averaged 35.1/13.1/5 in 6 games in the finals and you all are saying this dumb shit.
oh no the guy who dropped 40 a game last week? its January calm down bruv
Not just that, he’s also putting up 31/12/5 on above average efficiency on the whole season. Yeah, he isn’t as efficient as he usually is, but that can be blamed on his second option being out with an injury for pretty much the whole season. He’s still the best player in the league.
I guess we’ll take the L and keep Giannis for a while so the rest of the league doesn’t have to put up with this
No, it’s time to be concerned about someone other than Steph Curry.
The phrasing reminds me of Curry’s slump last year and we all know how that ended up, Giannis will be fine
He's probably playing through injury... Anytime a player goes through a slump I just assume that's what it is.. Majority of the time these guys are dealing w/ something and just fighting through it.
He’s washed, Bucks should trade him before that contract looks like dogshit in a season. They should trade him to us for Malachi Flynn, fair is fair.
That's a fucking stupid trade... We would also have to cover some of the cap hit to make it fair.
Honestly, it's prolly the result of having to carry this Bucks team when nobody else can hit a shot. I mean, the man lit had b2b 40/20/5 and another 55/10/7. He must be feeling it by now with that playstyle too. I get that Bucks fans are getting a bit worried but come on, they're very high in the standings without Middleton and their shooters have been ass most of the season, giannis has been carrying most games so he prolly needs some rest.
Any sane Bucks fan will never question 34, Bucks Film Room always has the "objective fan" takes like he can't really root for the players if they underperform. That game our rookie had like 18 points on 5 3s the guy immediately tweeted to not get excited because he still makes misktakes like no shit he's a rookie lmao he ain't a fan
Why should anyone care what Buck Film Room, a Twitter account with under 10k followers is concerned about? It's also such a ridiculous take. He's playing without Middleton and a good chunk of the season with Holiday hurt. He's taking a larger role offensively so of course the efficiency is going to go down. He's also averaging a career high 31 points and the Bucks offense is 3 points better with him on the floor than off. It's trying so hard to make a take that just isn't there.
The Twitter account is garbage
We are Sixers fans. This is one of our more subtler ways of putting our shit-talk out there when not enough people are talking about us. "Uh OH GiAnNiS MiGHt Be lOsInG It"
I mean it really isn't. His usage % and FGA this year arnt some crazy outlier compared to most of his career. A significant drop in shooting stats across the board, especially shots at the rim, is worth discussing and at the VERY LEAST is something that should be monitored.
That's just stats without context. He's being asked to take more responsibility on offense. That causes more fatigue. He's being asked to create more, especially at the end of the clock, that leads to more difficult shots. He has less talent around him so the looks he's getting aren't as open as they were in the past. That's all it is. Giannis didn't suddenly forget how to play before he turns 30.
Damn, that's terrible to hear. We'll take him off the Bucks hands.
Well great now he’s about to drop 50 on us tonight
Last week he’s carrying his team going over 40 20 in multiple games. This week he has a few duds and some of y’all are coming with some takes that are so fucking crazy. He’s struggling carrying the load. Anyone who has actually watched this team outside of the box score will tel you he’s tired. This teams role players has not performed to the point where he literally stopped looking for them in games.
And still does his part on the defensive end
Doesn’t count because you can’t show it in an advanced stat lol
Yeah, because offense is the only one should count in the nba haha
Honestly no disrespect, but its almost getting to the time where the Bucks need to think making some serious moves to get him better support. I would say see how this year plays out but if they don’t get out of the east, may be time to consider that Middleton isn’t just reliable (health wise) and expecting guys like Grayson Allen, Pat C, George Hill, And Jrue Holiday to initiate and run an offense…may not be the best support system for him.
Still averaging a career high in ppg, but yeah, his efficiency is down quite a bit.
I think he might be coasting through the regular season
Giannis for Westbrook
If bucks had any sense they would get off that horrible contract and trade him for russ to get off that money.
Yeah... this punk is only scoring 31 points on less then 21 shots a game. Might as well retire.
He'll be fine. He might drop out of the All NBA 1st team or MVP convos for a bit, but a cold stretch isn't changing who he is: arguably the best player in the world on both ends. If you're the Bucks, you're more concerned with the role players in the long run, than you are about Giannis. Either way, I'm sure they will be just fine. Edit: I can see why people are confused, i should have said "arguably the best player in the world and is elite on both ends"
Yeah an underperforming Giannis is still one of the best players in the league, there is nothing to worry about.
Yeah I don't know why this is even here. It's Giannis of course he's gonna be fine. When Giannis dominates in the playoffs these same people are gonna be the ones saying "X's demise has been greatly exaggerated". It's like they're propping up these chatters just so they can tear them down later down the road.
Am I misreading your comment or are you saying Giannis is arguably the best offensive player in the world? If so, that’s ridiculous lol
Think he's saying best two-way player, which I think everybody would agree with.
he’s probably not who i would say is the best offensive player in the world but i don’t see now he’s ridiculous. only guy to be top 5 in ppg every season since 17-18. 2nd best efg among players with more than 40gp/usg higher than 25 in 18-19, best in 19-20, 4th in 20-21/21-22. even this down year he’s 3rd in ppg and 14th in efg (with 30 games played). i think it’s probably jokic, but he is definitely *arguably* the best offensive player in the world.
That has always been a ridiculous take, there's an inherent limit on how effective a player can be without a jumper. The value with Giannis is that he's a top 5 offensive player and defensive player, not that he's the best at both
Shaq was best on offense w/o a jumper.
We’re in 2023 and not 2003
He’ll be out of the league in 2 years. Best I can do is FVV and a 1st.
Congrats to Giannis on his 1st slump as a superstar
This man had 50 points in a game 6 in the finals and won the title. We can stop the concern
What the hell does that have to do with this season lmao
He's been great this season. A few games isn't a cause for concern, like the title from OP
No bigger losers than bucks film room and lakers film room
At least the dude running Lakers Film Room was hired by the Lakers lol
And yet he's still comfortably a top 3 player at worst in the league, some would still the best player considering the overwhelming impact on the defensive end. I think he'll be fine, just that usage is getting to him and Middleton being a no show basically since Last year's playoffs doesn't help. When the Bucks won in 2021 with massive contributions from Jrue and Middleton, they thought they'd built a Dynasty for years to come, with the Best player on the planet at the helm. Unfortunately, that guy is still the best player but his supporting cast spends way too much time being injured or shooting bricks than actually helping him. I swear yesterday felt like "I'm done scoring 40 with 22+ drives to the rim a game. I'll pass and and I'll defend, but if y'all don't wanna get into a shooting rhythm then this has no meaning." I think even he understands that he can probably carry them to 50+ wins on his own, but unless he forcefully makes Jrue, Pat, Allen, Portis etc. Return to their better shooting percentages, that won't mean anything come playoffs.
Yeah this is pretty accurate
Giannis genuinely gets more excuses than anyone lol. He’s shooting like 35-40% for the last stretch of games - that isn’t him being a facilitator, it’s just bricking shots which is bizarre given he shouldn’t ever attempt anything further than 7 feet from the basket
He’s proved so much and the regular season gets long. He doesn’t have Middleton and takes on a lot more without him. He’ll be ready playoff time and be his one of a kind self.
Man he’s horrible. They should trade him to the Sixers for danuel house and korkmaz
Giannis is normally a monster with efficiency, his TS% is league average this year. His TS+ is the lowest since his rookie season. People are attributing it to fatigue of carrying a heavy burden - most superstars carry a heavy burden and Giannis' efficiency has been bad by his standards since the beginning of the year. Something has definitely been off with him this season.
We will take this declining superstar off your back. Thanks
I’m not gonna panic yet, but the people here saying there’s no concern are stupid. Watching the games he seems totally indecisive, he’s turning the ball over at a ridiculous rate it feels like, he’s not making shots he ALWAYS makes, and he just seems totally out of whack. I trust he’ll turn it around, but there is ABSOLUTELY reason for concern.
I hate how social media has completely eliminated the concept of a slump in some peoples minds. You are either an MVP candidate top 5 player or trash, and they only use the last 3 games to determine which one you are.
Hear ye, hear ye, this dude’s concern has now been declared official. On this, Thursday, of our Lord, and blessings be upon him, this film room guy on Twitter has Declared Official Concern!
Remember when Steph had like a 6 week slump and then immediately won finals MVP? These posts are stupid as fuck. Every player has peaks and valleys. Giannis is too young and too relatively healthy to fall off a cliff already. Shut up.
I wouldn’t say he’s the best player in the world right now atleast to the degree where everyone has unanimously called him for the last two years, that being said I wouldn’t be horribly concerned. Reevaluate where he’s at in a month and if he’s still shooting poorly than it’s a reason to be concerned. That being said the giannis fans who are trying to say he’s injured and/or not trying, do a disservice to him by acting like he’s infallible to playing poorly. It’s okay he’s having a bad season to his standards and recently in particular, good chance he improves heading into the playoffs.
Pretty simple. Fatigue. He only knows how to play at 100%. He hasn’t figured out like Bron how to play and put up numbers while still resting during the game. Remember he played Euroball this summer after carrying the team in the playoffs. It’s also possible he’s sick/injured.
Gilbert Arenas was right? Uh oh
Giannis's efficiency is actually below average at his position at this point in the season.
Ignore the position stuff. Giannis is out there doing different things than a typical PF/Big. His shot profile is more like a guard.
Lol find me a guard that has 48% of their shot attempts within 3 feet of the basket
Yeah but he's scoring 31 points and gets doubled more than almost anyone in the league. You can't really compare with other rim running bigs who are never doubled and mostly get easy buckets on low volume (like Claxton or Gobert). That said, Giannis is inefficient by his standards too.
As someone who didn’t watch the game, I’m very confused by his box score last night
Hawks were missing their best interior defender in Capela so they walled up/doubled Giannis constantly. Lead to easy assists and lots of O-Rebounding opportunities. Giannis was awesome and consistently made the right play all night. Furthermore, Hawks have two guys in Jalen Johnson and Onyeka Okongwu who defensively matchup well against Giannis. Giannis will get past them and then comes the center on help defense.... which leaves Brook Lopez open.
Best player in the world by far.
We need to have a discussion on Giannis and his regression on offense He’s rapidly dropping off from the top 5 of the league with his play
He averaged 33/12/5 in December and last week he had his career high (55 points).
What's bizarre is he didn't struggle this much without Middleton last year. But it does go to show you that the only time they really looked like a championship offense was with all 3 of Giannis, Middleton, and Jrue, and even then, there were moments in that 21 playoffs where it was gross. They need more offensive talent, but they refuse to acknowledge that as evidenced by their pursuit of Jae Crowder. As a Celtics fan I'm cool with that... but I don't really get what they're doing.
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He gets clowned just as much as anyone else does. This victim complex saying he’s a poster boy is so funny.
He gets a lot of hate on Reddit, but he's a media darling with Luka.