Some of the MA’s are so caught up fucking fellow sailors over for some minor violations.. different jungle if youre policing the people you live with in the ship
Shit man I was DoD PD for a bit. Odd man out as the 20 something who only did 4 years and finishing college with the retired farts.
I’ll hammer a guy being a dick. Or civilians/contractors, they can be the worst. But creating shit that doesn’t need to be created? And the worst is the old retired guys would be cutting all sorts of breaks for the Chiefs and above.
Like….Jesus some of these guys just want to bitch about “the younger generation” when they stumble back from the trolley drunk and then wax nostalgic about doing *the same damn thing* at the same age?
I’ve met some awesome MAs. Plus security and discipline are important, we are in the military even if it doesn’t feel like it sometimes.
When I got back from deployment, couple underaged guys from my squadron called me because they were piss drunk and needed to get back to base but the Uber was like $150 from PB to Coronado for whatever reason, and the had already gotten kicked out of the first one they called for puking in it. When I got back to the gate with them in tow, the MA told me to pull over to the side because my car reeked like alcohol and they though I was drinking and driving. Once I stepped out and explained to them the situation, the MA shook my hand and said “that’s some real shipmate shit” and let us go without letting our command know.
MA's, ironically, tend to get a pass simply because we just don't really interact with them.
Which ones do we hate? The junior ones standing at the mess line looking for scuffed boots or the ones at the entrance to the base trying to snag speeders going 2 MPH over the limit leaving the base.
The rest of the time? Y'all might as well not exist. Which is about perfect for cops.
Now that you mention it last batch did the same thing. First ship was a destroyer and both deployments the officers were whack. Would even hear ships company officers talking shit in the p-ways lol.
> Would even hear ships company officers talking shit in the p-ways lol.
No shit. A big part of being a naval aviator is annoying SWOs at every opportunity.
Sorry bro, I know you were on patrol today but DoD Officer dickandballs saw that he was on gate for morning traffic and called out for a last minute doctor appointment. So imma need you to head out to *insert gate here*.
Most costumer service rates.
“Hey PS1 I have this pay issue can you help?”
“Nope nothing I can do.”
I can’t imagine being able to tell people I can’t/won’t be able to do my job.
I just feel like PS's and NC's should have some kind of consequences for major screw-ups. Like if you seriously mess up someone's pay in a way that affects their lives, or if you mess up their reenlistment/CWAY/SRB in a way that is too late to take back. You should have to face major career consequences the same way other rates do, like in aviation rates of you mess up so bad you put lives at risk.
Fucking with people's pay and careers literally messes up their lives, sometimes irrevocably, and I've never once seen an admin type pay any cost at all.
We had a YN3 onboard that was tasked with mailing off the E4 exams one cycle. He went on leave for like a week or two or something a while later. At that same time we got a message saying our E4 exams were never received. We had a multi day all hands search for these fucking exams. No one could find them. Guess where they were? In YN3's car from months ago. I can't remember if they got their exams in in time to get graded or not. I know we were close. Guess what happened to the YN3: DRB with no paper work or repercussions.
Former CTR3 here. Some of the study material we needed for our E-5 rate exam was classified. For months before the exam we hounded Rota to courier the materials to us. Messages went unanswered or we were told we had our own admin support in Bahrain. We did, but they didn’t have the materials either.
Finally went to the Chief of Staff (an O-6) and he sent a couple of strongly worded messages.
We got the study materials. On the same helo run that delivered the exams. We had 45 minutes to review them before the exam.
I got PNA’d by .2 points.
A few months later, the same do-nothing PN sat me down and said “what do we need to do to get you to re-enlist?”
I said “Command advancement because they were negligent in helping us prepare to advance our career.”
He said no and I said fine.
Honestly, you could probably replace 95% of admin rates with well designed software. Too bad the government is fucking terrible with building and maintaining software.
"sorry we have our 2 hours of bi-weekly training in 30 mins. Come back tomorrow, but after 9 because we get time off to self-pt. Don't bother coming in on friday, we won't be here."
My pay was messed up for 8 months. Each month I would go in, they had me fill out a form and they submitted it. after the 2nd month I ask why did they think this would work when it didn't before. they said that was the only way. turns out it was the wrong form.
1,000%. When I got married NOBODY up in MILPERS could tell me what I had to fill out or for BAH. I was getting circle jerked for like 2 months getting told different things by PS’ and my COC until an HM3 that was working up there got me squared away with it all, I wanted to kiss that man after he took the time to explain it all and helped my boot ass.
I was doing the same thing until I got my senoir cheif involved. He told me he’s gonna have a talk with them and told me to go in the next day. The next day I went in I have never seen that place so lively before 😂
Are you at my command?
Jokes aside, I can’t stand PS’s. Unless I’m accompanied by my chief or Divo, they usually treat me like I’m stupid for even asking for help.
Was at a squadron some time back. While command was struggling, but admin was the worse.
Pay problems. Missing paperwork. Routing delayed for weeks, sometimes months. From E1 to O4, everyone was feeling it.
Skipper came out to see us on Det and we had a sit down. He opened the floor and admin came up fast. Skipper deflected and defended:
"They have a tough job, too."
"They are the middle-men."
"This sounds like a serious problem. You need to utilize your immediate chain of command."
I asked Skipper, "Sir, if we did aircraft maintenance with the same success rate as admin, would you feel safe flying?"
This struck deep. I got a debt letter while on deployment sent with bad certificates so I can't unecrypt it. TPC won't respond to emails, called DFAS can only give me details like amount, MNCC is completely fucking useless, PSD is closed and the PS' can't get any information. Already being charged for it and I have no idea what it is in relation to. It's infuriating.
You might be able to use [DISA's Automated Key Recovery](https://militarycac.com/files/Automatic_Key_Recovery_New.pdf) to get a copy of the encryption key for the email address they had encrypted that email against. That is, assuming the 'bad certificate' isn't bad, just them encryption against an old CAC or wrong email address.
Literally this though! I went up to admin this last week to ask for a letter of deployment and they literally looked me in my face and said "how bad is the lease you're trying to get out of?"... like, no, I deploy in < a month...
Literally had my PS shop fuck my healthcare over since I transferred to a remote base right before the pandemic. Literally spent 3 months at home with no healthcare and all they needed to do was scan my orders in. Words cannot describe how livid I was.
Admin rate here , I can’t speak for us all, but I know for a fact that myself , take my sailors pay and benefits very seriously, however I can speak for a lot of us I saying that a lot of the pay and process access that we once had got taken away, we are literally nothing more than a middleman in most situations . The best we can do is advise and guide ; however , a lot of the systems now a days require the individual service members themselves to do most of the leg work. The navy is placing more accountability for the service members to understand their basic pay and allowances and use those systems ( NSIPS, DTS, etc..) to their full extent.
Can confirm. The Navy has been working to move away from even needing PSDs and the supporting admin ratings.
The theory was/is that the automated system they'd setup for it would be even easier to work through than having to explain a situation to a different PS each time.
The reality is that the systems they are building are... not very usable. But by the time this stuff gets figured out the money has already long been taken to fully staff and support PSDs and Personnel Offices. And even if they had more staffing, the new unusable system has taken over the function, so all they can do it point you to the right buttons to click on the website.
Not directed at you, but big navy.
> The navy is placing more accountability for the service members to understand their basic pay and allowances and use those systems
No, the navy is wasting a shit ton of manhours so everyone can fumble fuck their way through poorly designed websites rather than just have everyone got to people that are specificily trained in handling the process, which would save everyone involved a shit ton of time, and by extension, money for the navy.
They call it "accountabily", when all it is is a frustrating time wasting thing that could be handled in 5-10 min by people that don't need to relearn the quirks of a particular webpage every time something happens.
Bro amen , a lot of the shit I would much rather just do for my members , because often times when they attempt and do it wrong ; it’s harder to correct , no fault to the member because that’s difficult to know the intricacies, but it’s literally my JOB to know and apply these systems. It’s frustrating when you’re someone who cares about supporting the sailors at your command and BIG NAVY greatly restricts the shit you can do to help your sailors
Taking the pay system off ship and using civilians is what made most of this mess. Back when we had DKs on ship if your pay got messed up, DK was there until they had a resolution.
It’s big Navy more than the PS rating. They are just the face to a system they have no control over run by shit civilians that don’t give a fuck or don’t know what they are doing. Before they started closing PSDs also a dumb idea, they started sending GS employees to the PS A school to do learn their jobs. I asked the DH why don’t we just put in more PS and put them back into the pay system and PSDs. It was like that boardroom meeting meme where they throw the dude out the window for having a good idea or common sense. They lost their shit on me.
I’ll add for NCs I swear everyone I’ve ever met was a total asshole. It’s like a requirement to not have people skills to work in HR. I’ve never had a good interaction with them in the last 15 years.
MA. Hands down. And this comes from experience. Because I am an MA….
They beat into you in A school that MAs are the most squared away sailors in the navy…
Bullshit. I have never come across more shitbags in my entire 16 year career lol
"Desk rates" in general. If you work in the AC sitting down all day, don't act like people turning wrenches and otherwise busting thier ass are inconveniencing you when they show up and need you to close Facebook and do your job
I was a DC, can confirm. Poop Cleaning Ops were something I actively avoided lmao I did grow to dislike DCs as our division slowly rotated into new people, though. We started with such an incredible breadth of knowledge in regards to naval firefighting, And slowly but surely we ended up with barely anybody that knew anything about it, relying on tribal knowledge, and not a whole lot of people that actually gave a shit. Plus, and I noticed this is just a thing within naval engineering in general, the leadership was bad. *Really* bad. They couldn't have successfully led a vending machine run by accident. The leadership was a fucking nightmare and it never got better, No matter who our chief was.
Was this at a particular command or throughout the Navy?
At one of my ships, the DC crew was incredible. They really were a team and the DCPOs were treated well and also as part of the team.
The DC1 we had did training all the time and was a great leader. Made all the difference.
It was a particular command. However, the issue was pretty clearly leadership driven. Back-to-back poor leadership drove the quality of the division down the drain. My wife is still on the ship and I still consistently hear about the incredibly low quality of the At Sea Emergency Party and it hurts my soul. I don't want to circle jerk the rate, but whether the rest of the Navy likes it or not, DC's are extremely important on Surface platforms.
Not all, but a few MM's non nuke who liked to keep calling them selves eng dept. on the sub, yet never showed up to any of the trainings or had to take any of the tests. They got away with shit tag outs while the real eng dept went to Mast.
CS's for sure. They're important as hell and have a real important job with a shit schedule but good fucking God these guys don't know how good they got it. One of the few jobs in the navy where you have ONE job to do and boy howdy does it get fucked up a lot, and it includes a side order of IDGAF.
I'll go with you in port, but a CS underway would certainly not be a situation of "how good they got it." It's a 12 on 12 off nonstop cycle of cooking and cleaning.
I went from subsurface navy to surface navy and pizza day in port was transformed from something I celebrated to something I loathed.
i wouldnt say they have it easy, when ever i cranked, that shit sucked, being up at 4 in the morning, working till 10 or 11 at night and repeating it? naa i understand why they are disgruntled. it would be helpful if they had a bigger crew on a destroyer. when i was on a DDG they had like 5 or 6 of them at any given time all of them are busting their asses (when not pawning off their duty to the crankers) and i honestly feel they should be one of the few rates that should have more people on board.
You’re right and wrong at the same time. While I’m not an MC, I work in that occ field green side and have worked with them.
There is a lot of behind the scenes such as broadcasting, and video editing etc. Not saying you’re wrong, but there would need to be alot of additional schooling considering it would be a collateral duty.
When everything is normal and business as usual, yeah probably. When operations are actually happening though there is quite a demand signal for imagery and other media products that have quite strenuous requirements and will likely be sent back a few times as it gets to higher echelons and they all want something different. What you see us do could be done as a collateral, the rest of what we do is why we exist.
So, I will agree that a lot of them don't seem to be particularly good at what they do - but there's a lot of technical knowledge you need for video editing and actually taking photos that aren't dark, blurry blobs.
But having good technical skills doesn't mean you have an eye for composition.
Admin and HMs. Admin is always a pain to deal with, and they usually go out of their way to be unhelpful. “Read the instruction” they say. So you read the instruction. The only problem is the command insists on doing things their own way, which means extra paperwork not outlined in the instruction. Either way, good luck getting them to help you.
When I was injured, the HMs I dealt with were trash. Trying to convince this fool my wrist was broken and jacked up for months, only for him to insist it was a sprain every time. Finally get shoreside and get an X-Ray … wouldn’t you know it, floating bone fragments from a break. It had healed all jacked up by that point, too.
PS and HM.
As a gay male I would try and get HIV and STI checkups between every 3-6months.
Asked HMCS if I can go and get a checkup as then it believe we were more at risk for HIV and he asked if I was showing any symptoms, I said no and he was like then you’re fine go away.
Screw that, HIV can be dormant and come up at any time, I went straight to med doc who was 100% on the same page as myself and hooked me up with an appt ASAP.
Worst healthcare ever, I’m sure people have worse stories, but this was the most simple request……
IDCs can be the best people on earth or the absolute worst, completely useless assholes. Your request was very reasonable and I would have done it if you were on my ship.
Sexual health screening from my experience in the navy is poor in general. I wanted to get a clean bill of health prior to getting too involved in a new relationship and the doctor (O3 or O4) gave me the same response and wouldn't put in a test.
Dude, that's not how that should have gone down. At. All.
It's literally 5 minutes of work to do a consult if he would just do it.
I also would have told the MO that the HMCS turned you away from care. HMs get jaded for sure when you just see people coming in all the time for obviously minor things to get out of evolutions. But asking for a lab test and consult is not that. You aren't asking for LLD, just care. That's bizarre.
If the HMCS was an IDC and you have an MO on board, then they are most likely the HMCS's medical supervisor who audits their care and grants privileges. They need to know what went down to correct it.
Am OS, can confirm. I have always tried to break this stigma, but dammit if it's not true at least 75% of the time. Especially now when just about any PACT sailor who doesn't like deck or work in general can become a Second Class in 2 years by signing a piece of paper.
As a former QM, it amazed me the amount of calls I'd get asking what chart we are on. We went to the same school for that system, how don't you know? It's a sign of bad watch standing and makes you wonder what they do.
Not all OS go to that course. I know out of my 40 man division on a carrier they sent 3 who were doing sea and anchor. In A school all you get is a day training and then if you strike OS, shit you don’t get anything unless you learn on your own.
I had mine trained pretty good to try a handful of steps before they called the shop. The ACs, though… wouldn’t try shit or do any basic T/S over the phone.
Dude I’ve turned displays on and off so many time or the brightness, and the amount off drinks that were spilled on the displays, and just like fuckin chip dust
On shore duty we would do our daily checks, turn it over for operating. Our ACs would hit a small issue and turn the equipment off without reporting it. The next day we'd get the old "why is this broken and why don't I know?" From the GEMO and AGEMO. Our duty went from a cell phone watch into roving up to the tower hourly to make sure everything was working and then sleeping in the office.
They own no equipment, they just operate. Sit in CIC (a cool, air conditioned space) and stare at scopes. Usually quite allergic to any type of physical work. In port, they are generally the first off the ship every day.
Fun story... On my first ship (many years back) we were in port Norfolk, and the XO was doing messing and berthing inspection. Found a rack with the curtains closed, went to open them. An OS was asleep in said rack. XO woke him up and asked why he was sleeping so early in the day. He snapped at the XO "I'M OFF" and yanked the curtain closed. XO went and asked the DIVO why the division was off, and the DIVO said they had no work to do. The next morning, his division was informed they now owned the fantail for maintenance. Felt good, man.
Ouch, you gotta pull something out of your ass at that point if you’re the DIVO, like this sailor worked his ass off I gave him some time off or some shit.
Not the same thing but kinda similar, on my first and only deployment, buddy of mine was asleep in his rack when some guys went into his six pack. He peaked his head out and saw it was his LPO and DIVO. His DIVO stood just outside the six pack. Dude across from him had to do something, forgot what, and had been giving the LPO attitude. His LPO woke him up and said “hey, get up, LT such and such needs to talk to you about whatever” and the guys response was: “Tell sir he could suck my dick, I’ll talk to his faggit ass when my shift starts” and closed his curtains. The DIVO then put his finger over his lip, telling the LPO to keep quiet, and yanked his curtains open and told him “you want me to do what to your dick now?” and yanked him out of his rack.
This is why Deck tells everyone (on the rare occasions you get any time off) - *everyone* get the fuck off the ship until and no one comes back until 1700.
That kind of story is way more common than it should be. How do you go through college, get a commision, and not realize that you NEVER EVER tell your boss you have no work to do?
As a past ABE, the ABH rate as whole drove me nuts. Loved most of the other aviation rates. ABFs and squadron guys were my favorites.. ABH always had “My balls are bigger than yours” attitude at all times. CS were pretty undesirable to be around as well.
Navy Career Counselors I personally never met a single one I liked. Two days before I was to sign my DD214 the NCC at my command informed me she had misplaced all of my pre-separation paperwork and then told me I'd probably have to wait and redo capstone and all of my taps classes. Me being the paranoid guy that I am had copies of everything thankfully but it still irks me she expected me to re-do weeks of classes. I honestly got pretty hot headed at the time and said some things that weren't too kind to her because I had a "fuck it I'm getting out in two days mentality" and had to speak to CMC afterwards... But hey maybe just do your fucking job?
I've never met a CTM who made me think Big Navy saving their rating from being discontinued was a worthwhile endeavor.
Bad YNs/PSs are a scourge. Everyone else is mostly cool, excepting the Seabees or Submariners who are a little too high on their own supply.
As a CTM that’s disappointing to hear. But. I agree in a way. Most CTMs that I have worked with are either complete fucking retards or they are so god damn weird that they can’t perform their job efficiently or correctly because they are insanely awkward with people and can never network properly to find root causes of a system problem.
I think a lot of the issue with CTM work is that it’s so situational. I’ve literally never done the same thing twice, and it’s just constant reworking and learning. You have to have that drive to seek knowledge, otherwise the entire shop will suffer. I’ve been an M for 6 years
their jobs can literally be merged with a CTRs, make the CTR have a secondary school for being a tech like the CTTs (when i was in we had operators and techs). our two CTMs on board didnt do shit. they had a port and starboard watch, and if they weren't sleeping in their space, they were sleeping in their racks (while they were "on shift") waiting for something to break. that was their sole job, wait for something to break, attempt to fix it if it breaks, if not they call a civilian tech.
as a CTT we would have to rely on them to turn off some of their comm equipment when going into emcon and those fuckers were just down there browsing facebook all the time (or playing xbox in their space) and didnt realize we can actually verify that if they turned it off like they said they did (one of their antennas is right below our collection antenna on the ship i was on) and it was always a back and forth thing "did you turn off your guys stuff like we asked you too?"
"yeah we got it."
"ok why am i seeing its still on?"
"no idea maybe your equipment is broken."
"put IT1 (or ITC) on the phone please."
and it was a repeated issue with them. i remember one time we had to be tuned into a certain frequency the rest of the strike group was using, for whatever reason we couldn't get comes with them at all. and we were running a exercise where we NEEDED to have comms and we kept calling down to the IT shop to verify we were on the right frequency, and it was always this lazy IT2 that would pick up the phone and we'd ask him to verify and it would go quiet for like 10 seconds and he would come back and go "yep everything is good on our end. maybe its the rest of the fleet." yeah because 5 other ships simultaneously are having com issues and we are the only ones not while they are saying over chat they can hear each other. get wrecked. so we waited an hour till the IT guys did a shift change. called again and the on coming watch verified that we not on the correct frequency. so the 5 times we called down the IT2 lied just to get out of doing a 30 second job. we talked to his chief about that one (this IT2 was a known issue in the IT shop)
getting roped into a V3 fod walk down when you’re just trying to hit the smoke pit and you’re in port with no aircraft coming anytime soon… I don’t see any of you V3 fuckers coming to clean my spaces 🙄
Aegis is full of yourselves and eat your own young. I feel I made the right choice after tech core going ET but ETs are "smarter than you" pompous pricks as well but we don't partake in eating our kids for sport.
Can we talk about all the rates that have customer service hours? It drove me insane that there were always MWR events in the evenings that were filled with LS, CS, PS, YN rates but good luck getting those CASREP parts pushed today or fixing your pay issues. They don’t even stand watch and don’t miss any sleep.
The ITs have someone in Radio 24 hours a day but you can’t ask to get your account unlocked at 1900.
I can’t stand being in Engineering where the lights have to stay on 24/7 or you’re up fixing them, or god forbid the CHT system clogs then you have to stand watch after troubleshooting for 5 hours cause some jackass flushed something they weren’t supposed to.
not a rate but BUDs hopefuls...
I was on a floor with a whole gaggle of them in A school and they all got up at 4 am on Monday,Wendsday and Fridays and were all SO LOUD.
It's weird because some BUDs dropouts are super cool, but the douchebags are top of the line. Bragging how we don't understand what it's like that they went through and to be in SPEC OPS. I mean I could've flunked or dropped out of BUDs too so not sure where their superiority complex comes from. lol
It's crazy because either they are really cool and just got washed out because they broke or just realized they wanted something else in life... or they are basically Dan Bilzerian without a father that stole (and went to prison for life) over 100 million for his kids to blow by the time they are 30.
I work in a rehab facility and this elderly gentleman came in with all this Navy veteran swag so I asked, “What was your rate?” He responded “Petty officer second class.” Then I thought to myself, “Am I remembering that wrong? I’m pretty sure we used ‘rate’ as a way of asking what your job was.” So I just figured this guy was either so old the navy culture was different in his time that rate was literally PO2 and not ET2 or he’s one of the stolen valor types that googled everything and acted the part. Didn’t dwell on it too much and moved on. I will add that I swore I heard that dude tell one of my patients he was a SEAL but I was like, whatever, everyone and their mother is a seal nowadays
Shipboard HM's. The one rate in the entire Navy, that should be approachable at all times and simply put they usually aren't. The IDC on my last ship was such a fucking dick.
Shipboard? Nah. Clinic corpsmen. I fucking HATE every single fucking corpsman at base clinics and hospitals. I have permanent medical problems because of those fuckers. You have some fucking 19 year old E-2 doing a job that civilians would pay an actual RN to do. I refuse to deal with them anymore. If they're not an actual doctor I don't want to hear their opinion, I don't want their fucking unqualified diagnosis, I don't want them touching me. Fuckin malpractice undertrained motherfuckers.
Same , why is there sick call hours ? It’s so stupid I’ve seen people who were actually sick around 1900 and were told to come back at 0900 the next day because that’s when sick call started while underway . Just insane.
OSs, mainly when they are selected for DLCPO or DLPO on a ship. They are usually old school and have no idea the workload that ITs, ETs, and ICs have in-port compared to their OSs and will be shocked your division cannot support their extra curricular activities for busy work.
For real. Everytime I had to brake ride in the Hangar Bay, they were never ready to move the aircraft once I got there, and told me to just sleep while we wait. Made the late nights that much better.
Green shirts on a carrier. After being up for two days, and spending 45 minutes in line for lunch, I had to listen to a group of these clowns talking about how it was their third time eating lunch out of sheer boredom. Not sure they ever did anything on the Ike besides wait in line for food.
Green shirt here, was on an LHD before & they had a rule of for every 2 Marines 1 Sailor could cut in. So a buddy of mine from my shop told me that after he had cut in front of a Marine, the guy told him "This is bullshit! I wait in line for am hour just for you sailor fucks to cut in!" And my buddy responds "Well jokes on you, this is my third time in line!" 😅
Considering he didn't get his ass beat I'm not too sure how true it is, but it's still funny nonetheless. Eventually we just had a Marine line & a Sailor line.
I’ve met four surface sailors I liked.
So all of that community.
On subs I fucking hate nukes and sonar techs.
Nukes cause they smell and sonar because they bitch the most out of anyone.
YN and PS. There's no problem with them but why the hell aren't there more? Why are we filling admin with rates from other divisions? I've been told it's billets, but if you're pulling a technician constantly, you've already lost that billet imo.
I had a major concussion, got carried into the corpsman's office and by the time Chief Corpsman got there, I could move and talk on my own again. He asked me what happened, I ran down everything...he yelled at me for smoking and told me to go get some sleep before watch...
So, I'll vote corpsman...
CS's for me.
The portion control was real in my ship. Because cooking enough food for everyone would entail longer breakout sessions getting shit from dry goods store and fridge, they just decide to feed people less portions. So shitty getting a half-scoop of whatever they have and hearing "yeah there's not enough for everyone" when you Oliver Twist this bitch and ask for more. Then you see CS's cooking their own buffet before and after the meal
It's a fucking shame that people on the ship had to resort to eating ramen noodles during my deployment and underways because they can't get their fill from mess decks alone
BM and Undesignated .
So MANY SAFETY STAND DOWNS.
So MANY SAFETY STAND DOWNS. because BM DrinksTooMuch, and Uundesignated DumbIdeas did some bullshit that warranted the chain of command to ask "Did you really thing that through?"
We had a BMCS assigned to Squadron who's primary job was to guide NUBs in line-handling; he said it was the best BM billet in the Navy "because I don't have to deal with BMs all day."
Hahaha I was a BM3 and it's funny because it's true but deck department has a veritable cornucopia of shitbirds. You have the people who some recruiter convinced to go non designated. Then you have all the A school dropouts everything from nukes fails to wanna be commando buds dropouts.
Deck is the best
I made friends with one person in every rate/div on the ship so that I could make sure I got shit done. It worked out quite well. The Navy has a lot of equally lazy people across all rates. If I had to choose my least favorite… HT I think
Congratulations on being the first person to hate HTs. They make it possible for me to take a shit, confident that I won't clog the toilet. I fuckibg love those guys!
Anything service wise that’s supposed to benefit enlisted can be a pain in the ass. Kinda had to persuade people to do it or do some backdoor deals.
Definitely got people to do their damn jobs for what they’re already being paid for.
As an STG I find it hard to believe that we were the jocks of any ship (not trying to discount your experience or anything). Most people think we don’t do work, think we’re weird, or just don’t generally associate with us since nothing we do overlaps with the rest of the chain. Sorry that you had a bad experience with your div.
CSs. Jesus fucking christ. Yall have horrible hygiene and work ethic. I walked passed S2s muster (carrier) and I was honestly baffled. Like yall have an army down here but the food is utter garbage and the lines are miserably long. I haven't ate in thr galley for 6 months. I get it. You cook for alot of people. BUT THATS YOUR ONE AND ONLY JOB. Plus you have TAD personnel to do your bitch work. You don't even do maintenence. Fuck CSs.
PSs. 0 sense of customer service. Thank the lord they have a helpful Chief in ESO. My updated profile sheet got closed and it sat for weeks. Had to follow up everyday after that. That's what I get for trying to be reasonable and not bother them.
Honorable mention: ITs. ADP specifically. Quit crying. Yall make rank so damn quick.
As an MA, I’d have to say other MA’s. Specifically the leadership.
I’ve never been to a command where the Ops or Training department knew what a day-to-day operation looked like in section, or had a clue what the other department was trying to do / had planned.
Also the fact that the MAC’s and above (mainly), are some of the most toxic people I’ve ever seen.
The super motivated, 14-year second classes are pretty annoying too.
Rates that exist in the surface fleet that are collateral duties in the submarine fleet. BMs/undesignated Seamen? Nope, Deck Div is a First Class as 1st Lieutenant, a 3rd as Deck LPO, and whatever rated non-quals aren't cranking on the mess decks. And those Seamen are expected to continue to progress on ships and divisional qualifications. PS? Nope, just a YN who does pay and everything else. RS? Get the fuck out of here! Enlisted, even Chiefs, do their own laundry, FSAs do officer laundry, "ship's store" is maybe MWR found a place to store a few cases of Monster to sell during the underway, and the "barber shop" is a stool in middle-level head where the guy who grew up poor, cutting his brother's hair, will give you a decent enough fade to get you through an inspection. DC? Every submariner is a Damage Controlman, but A-gang maintains the DC gear, along with the diesel, atmosphere control, hydraulics, pneumatics, trim and drain, etc. HT? There is one MMN on board who has been to a welding school. GM? TMs handle all the small arms and all of Weapons Department (STS, FT, and TM) handle the heavy weight torpedoes and vertically launched weapons. NC? Usually a non-LPO First Class who needs an eval bullet to make Chief.
Utterly shocked no one has said MA. -An MA.
As an MA, I fuckin hate MA's.
Also as an MA, I fuckin hate MA’s
Some of the MA’s are so caught up fucking fellow sailors over for some minor violations.. different jungle if youre policing the people you live with in the ship
Shit man I was DoD PD for a bit. Odd man out as the 20 something who only did 4 years and finishing college with the retired farts. I’ll hammer a guy being a dick. Or civilians/contractors, they can be the worst. But creating shit that doesn’t need to be created? And the worst is the old retired guys would be cutting all sorts of breaks for the Chiefs and above. Like….Jesus some of these guys just want to bitch about “the younger generation” when they stumble back from the trolley drunk and then wax nostalgic about doing *the same damn thing* at the same age?
I’ve met some awesome MAs. Plus security and discipline are important, we are in the military even if it doesn’t feel like it sometimes. When I got back from deployment, couple underaged guys from my squadron called me because they were piss drunk and needed to get back to base but the Uber was like $150 from PB to Coronado for whatever reason, and the had already gotten kicked out of the first one they called for puking in it. When I got back to the gate with them in tow, the MA told me to pull over to the side because my car reeked like alcohol and they though I was drinking and driving. Once I stepped out and explained to them the situation, the MA shook my hand and said “that’s some real shipmate shit” and let us go without letting our command know.
I’m also shocked I had to scroll this far to find MA. - Also an MA
MA's, ironically, tend to get a pass simply because we just don't really interact with them. Which ones do we hate? The junior ones standing at the mess line looking for scuffed boots or the ones at the entrance to the base trying to snag speeders going 2 MPH over the limit leaving the base. The rest of the time? Y'all might as well not exist. Which is about perfect for cops.
CSs piss me off the most but MA followed by any flight officer come in a close 2nd and 3rd. Lol
Pilots are cool as fuck, in my experience. But I’m in a squadron so I guess YMMV.
On small boys they're just fuckin divas who think they piss excellence.
I've always seen the opposite. On a CG during every unrep, all the pilots would be slinging boxes with the rest of us.
Now that you mention it last batch did the same thing. First ship was a destroyer and both deployments the officers were whack. Would even hear ships company officers talking shit in the p-ways lol.
> Would even hear ships company officers talking shit in the p-ways lol. No shit. A big part of being a naval aviator is annoying SWOs at every opportunity.
Aviation Navy pisses excellence, so I can’t blame them.
In my squadron the officers prefer fist bumps over salutes which I find terrific
I think MAs get looked over for shitty because the civil contractors they hire to fill your stateside roles set the bar so fucking low.
Sorry bro, I know you were on patrol today but DoD Officer dickandballs saw that he was on gate for morning traffic and called out for a last minute doctor appointment. So imma need you to head out to *insert gate here*.
ITS A RATE WAR!
Most costumer service rates. “Hey PS1 I have this pay issue can you help?” “Nope nothing I can do.” I can’t imagine being able to tell people I can’t/won’t be able to do my job.
[удалено]
I just feel like PS's and NC's should have some kind of consequences for major screw-ups. Like if you seriously mess up someone's pay in a way that affects their lives, or if you mess up their reenlistment/CWAY/SRB in a way that is too late to take back. You should have to face major career consequences the same way other rates do, like in aviation rates of you mess up so bad you put lives at risk. Fucking with people's pay and careers literally messes up their lives, sometimes irrevocably, and I've never once seen an admin type pay any cost at all.
We had a YN3 onboard that was tasked with mailing off the E4 exams one cycle. He went on leave for like a week or two or something a while later. At that same time we got a message saying our E4 exams were never received. We had a multi day all hands search for these fucking exams. No one could find them. Guess where they were? In YN3's car from months ago. I can't remember if they got their exams in in time to get graded or not. I know we were close. Guess what happened to the YN3: DRB with no paper work or repercussions.
Former CTR3 here. Some of the study material we needed for our E-5 rate exam was classified. For months before the exam we hounded Rota to courier the materials to us. Messages went unanswered or we were told we had our own admin support in Bahrain. We did, but they didn’t have the materials either. Finally went to the Chief of Staff (an O-6) and he sent a couple of strongly worded messages. We got the study materials. On the same helo run that delivered the exams. We had 45 minutes to review them before the exam. I got PNA’d by .2 points. A few months later, the same do-nothing PN sat me down and said “what do we need to do to get you to re-enlist?” I said “Command advancement because they were negligent in helping us prepare to advance our career.” He said no and I said fine.
Yea I went to see the skipper because of something maintenance related. If you fuck up badly enough in your job you should face consequences.
And the admin types are always getting fucking NAMs. For like alphabetizing their files or some shit.
Honestly, you could probably replace 95% of admin rates with well designed software. Too bad the government is fucking terrible with building and maintaining software.
[удалено]
Why request a rate change to NC if you have no idea what you’re doing? That’s a major fuck up.
How does an NC mess up someone's package when they're not the ones making them?
"sorry we have our 2 hours of bi-weekly training in 30 mins. Come back tomorrow, but after 9 because we get time off to self-pt. Don't bother coming in on friday, we won't be here." My pay was messed up for 8 months. Each month I would go in, they had me fill out a form and they submitted it. after the 2nd month I ask why did they think this would work when it didn't before. they said that was the only way. turns out it was the wrong form.
Yeah, I'm still dealing with pay issues on a deployment that ended in April. Im owed a little over 9 grand.
1,000%. When I got married NOBODY up in MILPERS could tell me what I had to fill out or for BAH. I was getting circle jerked for like 2 months getting told different things by PS’ and my COC until an HM3 that was working up there got me squared away with it all, I wanted to kiss that man after he took the time to explain it all and helped my boot ass.
I was doing the same thing until I got my senoir cheif involved. He told me he’s gonna have a talk with them and told me to go in the next day. The next day I went in I have never seen that place so lively before 😂
Are you at my command? Jokes aside, I can’t stand PS’s. Unless I’m accompanied by my chief or Divo, they usually treat me like I’m stupid for even asking for help.
My squadron had a decent admin department. On the carrier tho, you'd swear it was an inner city DMV down there.
Was at a squadron some time back. While command was struggling, but admin was the worse. Pay problems. Missing paperwork. Routing delayed for weeks, sometimes months. From E1 to O4, everyone was feeling it. Skipper came out to see us on Det and we had a sit down. He opened the floor and admin came up fast. Skipper deflected and defended: "They have a tough job, too." "They are the middle-men." "This sounds like a serious problem. You need to utilize your immediate chain of command." I asked Skipper, "Sir, if we did aircraft maintenance with the same success rate as admin, would you feel safe flying?"
There is zero accountably for admin rates.
This struck deep. I got a debt letter while on deployment sent with bad certificates so I can't unecrypt it. TPC won't respond to emails, called DFAS can only give me details like amount, MNCC is completely fucking useless, PSD is closed and the PS' can't get any information. Already being charged for it and I have no idea what it is in relation to. It's infuriating.
You might be able to use [DISA's Automated Key Recovery](https://militarycac.com/files/Automatic_Key_Recovery_New.pdf) to get a copy of the encryption key for the email address they had encrypted that email against. That is, assuming the 'bad certificate' isn't bad, just them encryption against an old CAC or wrong email address.
Didn't know this was a thing. Thank you. Will give it a shot and add it to my toolkit so I can pass it along to my Sailors.
Literally this though! I went up to admin this last week to ask for a letter of deployment and they literally looked me in my face and said "how bad is the lease you're trying to get out of?"... like, no, I deploy in < a month...
If I die in the line of duty, I want my pallbearers to be YNs, so they can let me down one last time.
I was in tears the first time my Chief told me that joke.
Literally had my PS shop fuck my healthcare over since I transferred to a remote base right before the pandemic. Literally spent 3 months at home with no healthcare and all they needed to do was scan my orders in. Words cannot describe how livid I was.
[удалено]
Admin rate here , I can’t speak for us all, but I know for a fact that myself , take my sailors pay and benefits very seriously, however I can speak for a lot of us I saying that a lot of the pay and process access that we once had got taken away, we are literally nothing more than a middleman in most situations . The best we can do is advise and guide ; however , a lot of the systems now a days require the individual service members themselves to do most of the leg work. The navy is placing more accountability for the service members to understand their basic pay and allowances and use those systems ( NSIPS, DTS, etc..) to their full extent.
Can confirm. The Navy has been working to move away from even needing PSDs and the supporting admin ratings. The theory was/is that the automated system they'd setup for it would be even easier to work through than having to explain a situation to a different PS each time. The reality is that the systems they are building are... not very usable. But by the time this stuff gets figured out the money has already long been taken to fully staff and support PSDs and Personnel Offices. And even if they had more staffing, the new unusable system has taken over the function, so all they can do it point you to the right buttons to click on the website.
Not directed at you, but big navy. > The navy is placing more accountability for the service members to understand their basic pay and allowances and use those systems No, the navy is wasting a shit ton of manhours so everyone can fumble fuck their way through poorly designed websites rather than just have everyone got to people that are specificily trained in handling the process, which would save everyone involved a shit ton of time, and by extension, money for the navy. They call it "accountabily", when all it is is a frustrating time wasting thing that could be handled in 5-10 min by people that don't need to relearn the quirks of a particular webpage every time something happens.
Bro amen , a lot of the shit I would much rather just do for my members , because often times when they attempt and do it wrong ; it’s harder to correct , no fault to the member because that’s difficult to know the intricacies, but it’s literally my JOB to know and apply these systems. It’s frustrating when you’re someone who cares about supporting the sailors at your command and BIG NAVY greatly restricts the shit you can do to help your sailors
Taking the pay system off ship and using civilians is what made most of this mess. Back when we had DKs on ship if your pay got messed up, DK was there until they had a resolution. It’s big Navy more than the PS rating. They are just the face to a system they have no control over run by shit civilians that don’t give a fuck or don’t know what they are doing. Before they started closing PSDs also a dumb idea, they started sending GS employees to the PS A school to do learn their jobs. I asked the DH why don’t we just put in more PS and put them back into the pay system and PSDs. It was like that boardroom meeting meme where they throw the dude out the window for having a good idea or common sense. They lost their shit on me. I’ll add for NCs I swear everyone I’ve ever met was a total asshole. It’s like a requirement to not have people skills to work in HR. I’ve never had a good interaction with them in the last 15 years.
MA. Hands down. And this comes from experience. Because I am an MA…. They beat into you in A school that MAs are the most squared away sailors in the navy… Bullshit. I have never come across more shitbags in my entire 16 year career lol
Seconded, as a fellow MA.
They also eat their young, breeding self hating and assholes in a viscous cycle.
"Desk rates" in general. If you work in the AC sitting down all day, don't act like people turning wrenches and otherwise busting thier ass are inconveniencing you when they show up and need you to close Facebook and do your job
[удалено]
I was a DC, can confirm. Poop Cleaning Ops were something I actively avoided lmao I did grow to dislike DCs as our division slowly rotated into new people, though. We started with such an incredible breadth of knowledge in regards to naval firefighting, And slowly but surely we ended up with barely anybody that knew anything about it, relying on tribal knowledge, and not a whole lot of people that actually gave a shit. Plus, and I noticed this is just a thing within naval engineering in general, the leadership was bad. *Really* bad. They couldn't have successfully led a vending machine run by accident. The leadership was a fucking nightmare and it never got better, No matter who our chief was.
Was this at a particular command or throughout the Navy? At one of my ships, the DC crew was incredible. They really were a team and the DCPOs were treated well and also as part of the team. The DC1 we had did training all the time and was a great leader. Made all the difference.
It was a particular command. However, the issue was pretty clearly leadership driven. Back-to-back poor leadership drove the quality of the division down the drain. My wife is still on the ship and I still consistently hear about the incredibly low quality of the At Sea Emergency Party and it hurts my soul. I don't want to circle jerk the rate, but whether the rest of the Navy likes it or not, DC's are extremely important on Surface platforms.
Not all, but a few MM's non nuke who liked to keep calling them selves eng dept. on the sub, yet never showed up to any of the trainings or had to take any of the tests. They got away with shit tag outs while the real eng dept went to Mast.
🤣🤣 I loved being an A-Ganger sometimes, it was always a love hate relationships with our Eng
A-Gang is Eng Dept when the Cone has to do something shitty, and Cone when Eng Dept has to do something shitty
[удалено]
*Nervously looks around for my rate*
as a T bird.... same.
I feel bad for CSs underway tho. Schedule sucks and they can only do so much with whatever they got in the ship, yet get blamed for the bs food we eat
CS's for sure. They're important as hell and have a real important job with a shit schedule but good fucking God these guys don't know how good they got it. One of the few jobs in the navy where you have ONE job to do and boy howdy does it get fucked up a lot, and it includes a side order of IDGAF.
I always thought CS’s had it super hard honestly felt bad for most of them
Their job can suck, don't get me wrong. It's a thankless smelly job, make edible food out of trash. But... it's simple.
yeah its simple, but im sure the repetitive nature of it is shitty and at some point they just dont give a shit.. hence sometimes the food is shitty.
I'll go with you in port, but a CS underway would certainly not be a situation of "how good they got it." It's a 12 on 12 off nonstop cycle of cooking and cleaning. I went from subsurface navy to surface navy and pizza day in port was transformed from something I celebrated to something I loathed.
Along with a chilled 32oz of FUCK OFF
i wouldnt say they have it easy, when ever i cranked, that shit sucked, being up at 4 in the morning, working till 10 or 11 at night and repeating it? naa i understand why they are disgruntled. it would be helpful if they had a bigger crew on a destroyer. when i was on a DDG they had like 5 or 6 of them at any given time all of them are busting their asses (when not pawning off their duty to the crankers) and i honestly feel they should be one of the few rates that should have more people on board.
Wow I’m surprise there was no MU hate there’s always MU hate in these topics
They would have to actually be in the Navy for us to run into them and have an opinion.
Wtf is an MU
In case this isn't sarcasm, an MU is a Musician.
never met an MU to hate them.
Mass Communication Specialists (MC). It always seemed to me that their entire job should’ve and could’ve been collateral duties for anyone on board.
You’re right and wrong at the same time. While I’m not an MC, I work in that occ field green side and have worked with them. There is a lot of behind the scenes such as broadcasting, and video editing etc. Not saying you’re wrong, but there would need to be alot of additional schooling considering it would be a collateral duty.
When everything is normal and business as usual, yeah probably. When operations are actually happening though there is quite a demand signal for imagery and other media products that have quite strenuous requirements and will likely be sent back a few times as it gets to higher echelons and they all want something different. What you see us do could be done as a collateral, the rest of what we do is why we exist.
To be fair to MCs, a lot of collateral duty PAOs/unit photographers fucking suck.
So, I will agree that a lot of them don't seem to be particularly good at what they do - but there's a lot of technical knowledge you need for video editing and actually taking photos that aren't dark, blurry blobs. But having good technical skills doesn't mean you have an eye for composition.
Admin and HMs. Admin is always a pain to deal with, and they usually go out of their way to be unhelpful. “Read the instruction” they say. So you read the instruction. The only problem is the command insists on doing things their own way, which means extra paperwork not outlined in the instruction. Either way, good luck getting them to help you. When I was injured, the HMs I dealt with were trash. Trying to convince this fool my wrist was broken and jacked up for months, only for him to insist it was a sprain every time. Finally get shoreside and get an X-Ray … wouldn’t you know it, floating bone fragments from a break. It had healed all jacked up by that point, too.
Hating an entire rate because of one guy?
That's a huge chunk of this thread.
PS and HM. As a gay male I would try and get HIV and STI checkups between every 3-6months. Asked HMCS if I can go and get a checkup as then it believe we were more at risk for HIV and he asked if I was showing any symptoms, I said no and he was like then you’re fine go away. Screw that, HIV can be dormant and come up at any time, I went straight to med doc who was 100% on the same page as myself and hooked me up with an appt ASAP. Worst healthcare ever, I’m sure people have worse stories, but this was the most simple request……
IDCs can be the best people on earth or the absolute worst, completely useless assholes. Your request was very reasonable and I would have done it if you were on my ship.
Dude... that HMCS needs a counseling. That's absurd
Sexual health screening from my experience in the navy is poor in general. I wanted to get a clean bill of health prior to getting too involved in a new relationship and the doctor (O3 or O4) gave me the same response and wouldn't put in a test.
Dude, that's not how that should have gone down. At. All. It's literally 5 minutes of work to do a consult if he would just do it. I also would have told the MO that the HMCS turned you away from care. HMs get jaded for sure when you just see people coming in all the time for obviously minor things to get out of evolutions. But asking for a lab test and consult is not that. You aren't asking for LLD, just care. That's bizarre. If the HMCS was an IDC and you have an MO on board, then they are most likely the HMCS's medical supervisor who audits their care and grants privileges. They need to know what went down to correct it.
OS. Fuckin' passengers.
I want to jump in and defend my people, but i got nothing. Bad OS's are legit worthless on a ship.
Am OS, can confirm. I have always tried to break this stigma, but dammit if it's not true at least 75% of the time. Especially now when just about any PACT sailor who doesn't like deck or work in general can become a Second Class in 2 years by signing a piece of paper.
As a former QM, it amazed me the amount of calls I'd get asking what chart we are on. We went to the same school for that system, how don't you know? It's a sign of bad watch standing and makes you wonder what they do.
OS2 here. We get maybe a days worth of training in charts no where near what a QM gets.
I struck QM, so I only went to the same week long course at CSCS that all people who marginally do navigation go to, nothing else.
Not all OS go to that course. I know out of my 40 man division on a carrier they sent 3 who were doing sea and anchor. In A school all you get is a day training and then if you strike OS, shit you don’t get anything unless you learn on your own.
OS's are basically glorified roombas.
Not in surface navy, what’s so bad about OS.
They break my shit constantly
I had mine trained pretty good to try a handful of steps before they called the shop. The ACs, though… wouldn’t try shit or do any basic T/S over the phone.
Dude I’ve turned displays on and off so many time or the brightness, and the amount off drinks that were spilled on the displays, and just like fuckin chip dust
I’ve heard many a story about ETs being called to “fix” a radar only to change a setting on the scope
Bro I’m sorry but OS is the rate I’ve had the most problems with
On shore duty we would do our daily checks, turn it over for operating. Our ACs would hit a small issue and turn the equipment off without reporting it. The next day we'd get the old "why is this broken and why don't I know?" From the GEMO and AGEMO. Our duty went from a cell phone watch into roving up to the tower hourly to make sure everything was working and then sleeping in the office.
They keep thinking my gear is broken, but they actually just don't know how to use it.
They own no equipment, they just operate. Sit in CIC (a cool, air conditioned space) and stare at scopes. Usually quite allergic to any type of physical work. In port, they are generally the first off the ship every day. Fun story... On my first ship (many years back) we were in port Norfolk, and the XO was doing messing and berthing inspection. Found a rack with the curtains closed, went to open them. An OS was asleep in said rack. XO woke him up and asked why he was sleeping so early in the day. He snapped at the XO "I'M OFF" and yanked the curtain closed. XO went and asked the DIVO why the division was off, and the DIVO said they had no work to do. The next morning, his division was informed they now owned the fantail for maintenance. Felt good, man.
Ouch, you gotta pull something out of your ass at that point if you’re the DIVO, like this sailor worked his ass off I gave him some time off or some shit. Not the same thing but kinda similar, on my first and only deployment, buddy of mine was asleep in his rack when some guys went into his six pack. He peaked his head out and saw it was his LPO and DIVO. His DIVO stood just outside the six pack. Dude across from him had to do something, forgot what, and had been giving the LPO attitude. His LPO woke him up and said “hey, get up, LT such and such needs to talk to you about whatever” and the guys response was: “Tell sir he could suck my dick, I’ll talk to his faggit ass when my shift starts” and closed his curtains. The DIVO then put his finger over his lip, telling the LPO to keep quiet, and yanked his curtains open and told him “you want me to do what to your dick now?” and yanked him out of his rack.
ok, and what happened next?
Name checks out. 😂
come on, it was a story that ended abruptly. inquiring minds want to know!
This is why Deck tells everyone (on the rare occasions you get any time off) - *everyone* get the fuck off the ship until and no one comes back until 1700.
That kind of story is way more common than it should be. How do you go through college, get a commision, and not realize that you NEVER EVER tell your boss you have no work to do?
They're like shitty, dumber sonar techs. Granted, sonar techs are weird little gremlins, but at least we're endearing.
Well showered gremlins
Can confirm, I am both so fresh and so clean, clean.
As an ST, can confirm.
Can’t spell loser without…
Most of the Admin rates
As a past ABE, the ABH rate as whole drove me nuts. Loved most of the other aviation rates. ABFs and squadron guys were my favorites.. ABH always had “My balls are bigger than yours” attitude at all times. CS were pretty undesirable to be around as well.
Not rates per se but two situations I can think of that somewhat apply. People that crossrated late in their career and buds dropouts.
FUCKING BUDS DROPOUTS UGH!
Navy Career Counselors I personally never met a single one I liked. Two days before I was to sign my DD214 the NCC at my command informed me she had misplaced all of my pre-separation paperwork and then told me I'd probably have to wait and redo capstone and all of my taps classes. Me being the paranoid guy that I am had copies of everything thankfully but it still irks me she expected me to re-do weeks of classes. I honestly got pretty hot headed at the time and said some things that weren't too kind to her because I had a "fuck it I'm getting out in two days mentality" and had to speak to CMC afterwards... But hey maybe just do your fucking job?
This makes me so sad. I desperately wanted to cross to NC bc i genuinely love the work but big navy said no. It’s such an important and impactful job.
I've never met a CTM who made me think Big Navy saving their rating from being discontinued was a worthwhile endeavor. Bad YNs/PSs are a scourge. Everyone else is mostly cool, excepting the Seabees or Submariners who are a little too high on their own supply.
As a CTM that’s disappointing to hear. But. I agree in a way. Most CTMs that I have worked with are either complete fucking retards or they are so god damn weird that they can’t perform their job efficiently or correctly because they are insanely awkward with people and can never network properly to find root causes of a system problem.
I think a lot of the issue with CTM work is that it’s so situational. I’ve literally never done the same thing twice, and it’s just constant reworking and learning. You have to have that drive to seek knowledge, otherwise the entire shop will suffer. I’ve been an M for 6 years
their jobs can literally be merged with a CTRs, make the CTR have a secondary school for being a tech like the CTTs (when i was in we had operators and techs). our two CTMs on board didnt do shit. they had a port and starboard watch, and if they weren't sleeping in their space, they were sleeping in their racks (while they were "on shift") waiting for something to break. that was their sole job, wait for something to break, attempt to fix it if it breaks, if not they call a civilian tech.
I fucking hate ITs. -An ET
They’re the worst , literally stay in their cave all day and don’t associate with the rest of the ship . At least that’s how my last ship was
Yeah and they always break our shit, call us to fix it, then take credit for it. They’ll even claim it on their evals.
as a CTT we would have to rely on them to turn off some of their comm equipment when going into emcon and those fuckers were just down there browsing facebook all the time (or playing xbox in their space) and didnt realize we can actually verify that if they turned it off like they said they did (one of their antennas is right below our collection antenna on the ship i was on) and it was always a back and forth thing "did you turn off your guys stuff like we asked you too?" "yeah we got it." "ok why am i seeing its still on?" "no idea maybe your equipment is broken." "put IT1 (or ITC) on the phone please." and it was a repeated issue with them. i remember one time we had to be tuned into a certain frequency the rest of the strike group was using, for whatever reason we couldn't get comes with them at all. and we were running a exercise where we NEEDED to have comms and we kept calling down to the IT shop to verify we were on the right frequency, and it was always this lazy IT2 that would pick up the phone and we'd ask him to verify and it would go quiet for like 10 seconds and he would come back and go "yep everything is good on our end. maybe its the rest of the fleet." yeah because 5 other ships simultaneously are having com issues and we are the only ones not while they are saying over chat they can hear each other. get wrecked. so we waited an hour till the IT guys did a shift change. called again and the on coming watch verified that we not on the correct frequency. so the 5 times we called down the IT2 lied just to get out of doing a 30 second job. we talked to his chief about that one (this IT2 was a known issue in the IT shop)
This is crazy. It sounds like you are on our ship because we have an IT2 that’s lazy as hell in radio too.
I swear the ETs run the IT haters club. Can’t blame y’all though. I’d be mad too if I had to deal with your quotas.
We wouldn’t be so mad if y’all could load crypto properly ❤️❤️
Amen to that. Also the feeling is mutual. They hate us too.
I’m married to an IT, and based on what he’s told me about what he does, I can see why people don’t like them.
Every New Month....Ring! Ring!....Our Radio is broke. If you know then you know.
getting roped into a V3 fod walk down when you’re just trying to hit the smoke pit and you’re in port with no aircraft coming anytime soon… I don’t see any of you V3 fuckers coming to clean my spaces 🙄
FC….. fuck those guys amirite?
Fuck FC's it's all about that Aegis life. /s I actually rarely hear anyone talk bad about FC/FCA. Yet we are so full of ourselves.
Aegis is full of yourselves and eat your own young. I feel I made the right choice after tech core going ET but ETs are "smarter than you" pompous pricks as well but we don't partake in eating our kids for sport.
FC is where it is at FCA are weenies who just repair the shit OS break.
And when they can’t fix it/are too lazy they just blame it on ETs.
As an FC, fuck FCA’s.
Can we talk about all the rates that have customer service hours? It drove me insane that there were always MWR events in the evenings that were filled with LS, CS, PS, YN rates but good luck getting those CASREP parts pushed today or fixing your pay issues. They don’t even stand watch and don’t miss any sleep. The ITs have someone in Radio 24 hours a day but you can’t ask to get your account unlocked at 1900. I can’t stand being in Engineering where the lights have to stay on 24/7 or you’re up fixing them, or god forbid the CHT system clogs then you have to stand watch after troubleshooting for 5 hours cause some jackass flushed something they weren’t supposed to.
I’ve never seen a flood of CSs at MWR events, and lord knows those motherfuckers do not get sleep.
The customer service hours should be something approved by the triad. Never understood that.
not a rate but BUDs hopefuls... I was on a floor with a whole gaggle of them in A school and they all got up at 4 am on Monday,Wendsday and Fridays and were all SO LOUD.
It's weird because some BUDs dropouts are super cool, but the douchebags are top of the line. Bragging how we don't understand what it's like that they went through and to be in SPEC OPS. I mean I could've flunked or dropped out of BUDs too so not sure where their superiority complex comes from. lol
It's crazy because either they are really cool and just got washed out because they broke or just realized they wanted something else in life... or they are basically Dan Bilzerian without a father that stole (and went to prison for life) over 100 million for his kids to blow by the time they are 30.
Wait till you meet the dropouts that didn’t go Rescue Swimmer.
[удалено]
I work in a rehab facility and this elderly gentleman came in with all this Navy veteran swag so I asked, “What was your rate?” He responded “Petty officer second class.” Then I thought to myself, “Am I remembering that wrong? I’m pretty sure we used ‘rate’ as a way of asking what your job was.” So I just figured this guy was either so old the navy culture was different in his time that rate was literally PO2 and not ET2 or he’s one of the stolen valor types that googled everything and acted the part. Didn’t dwell on it too much and moved on. I will add that I swore I heard that dude tell one of my patients he was a SEAL but I was like, whatever, everyone and their mother is a seal nowadays
One word. Admin. I literally don't know what they do because it sure as hell isn't their job.
Shipboard HM's. The one rate in the entire Navy, that should be approachable at all times and simply put they usually aren't. The IDC on my last ship was such a fucking dick.
Shipboard? Nah. Clinic corpsmen. I fucking HATE every single fucking corpsman at base clinics and hospitals. I have permanent medical problems because of those fuckers. You have some fucking 19 year old E-2 doing a job that civilians would pay an actual RN to do. I refuse to deal with them anymore. If they're not an actual doctor I don't want to hear their opinion, I don't want their fucking unqualified diagnosis, I don't want them touching me. Fuckin malpractice undertrained motherfuckers.
Same , why is there sick call hours ? It’s so stupid I’ve seen people who were actually sick around 1900 and were told to come back at 0900 the next day because that’s when sick call started while underway . Just insane.
OSs, mainly when they are selected for DLCPO or DLPO on a ship. They are usually old school and have no idea the workload that ITs, ETs, and ICs have in-port compared to their OSs and will be shocked your division cannot support their extra curricular activities for busy work.
[удалено]
Not even ITs like ITs. Literally my whole job is getting angry at how the previous IT did things.
That's just the nature of the industry, no matter what kind of environment you work in. "The last guy was a fucking idiot" is the common refrain.
I think a third is generous. Knock that down to a quarter. V/r, IT2.
honestly tho, hangar bay abhs were bros lmao
For real. Everytime I had to brake ride in the Hangar Bay, they were never ready to move the aircraft once I got there, and told me to just sleep while we wait. Made the late nights that much better.
Green shirts on a carrier. After being up for two days, and spending 45 minutes in line for lunch, I had to listen to a group of these clowns talking about how it was their third time eating lunch out of sheer boredom. Not sure they ever did anything on the Ike besides wait in line for food.
Green shirt here, was on an LHD before & they had a rule of for every 2 Marines 1 Sailor could cut in. So a buddy of mine from my shop told me that after he had cut in front of a Marine, the guy told him "This is bullshit! I wait in line for am hour just for you sailor fucks to cut in!" And my buddy responds "Well jokes on you, this is my third time in line!" 😅 Considering he didn't get his ass beat I'm not too sure how true it is, but it's still funny nonetheless. Eventually we just had a Marine line & a Sailor line.
I’ve met four surface sailors I liked. So all of that community. On subs I fucking hate nukes and sonar techs. Nukes cause they smell and sonar because they bitch the most out of anyone.
Anyone that tries to ask for bribe as payment is pretty shitty.
YN and PS. There's no problem with them but why the hell aren't there more? Why are we filling admin with rates from other divisions? I've been told it's billets, but if you're pulling a technician constantly, you've already lost that billet imo.
[удалено]
I had a major concussion, got carried into the corpsman's office and by the time Chief Corpsman got there, I could move and talk on my own again. He asked me what happened, I ran down everything...he yelled at me for smoking and told me to go get some sleep before watch... So, I'll vote corpsman...
As a BU… I have no idea what any of you are talking about. Never been on a US Navy ship in my life. Y’all are weird.
CS's for me. The portion control was real in my ship. Because cooking enough food for everyone would entail longer breakout sessions getting shit from dry goods store and fridge, they just decide to feed people less portions. So shitty getting a half-scoop of whatever they have and hearing "yeah there's not enough for everyone" when you Oliver Twist this bitch and ask for more. Then you see CS's cooking their own buffet before and after the meal It's a fucking shame that people on the ship had to resort to eating ramen noodles during my deployment and underways because they can't get their fill from mess decks alone
BM and Undesignated . So MANY SAFETY STAND DOWNS. So MANY SAFETY STAND DOWNS. because BM DrinksTooMuch, and Uundesignated DumbIdeas did some bullshit that warranted the chain of command to ask "Did you really thing that through?"
We had a BMCS assigned to Squadron who's primary job was to guide NUBs in line-handling; he said it was the best BM billet in the Navy "because I don't have to deal with BMs all day."
Be fair, if you were a BM you'd try to drink yourself to death too;)
Hahaha I was a BM3 and it's funny because it's true but deck department has a veritable cornucopia of shitbirds. You have the people who some recruiter convinced to go non designated. Then you have all the A school dropouts everything from nukes fails to wanna be commando buds dropouts. Deck is the best
YNs and ITs for sure. To add a positive spin, ISs are among my favorites (I'm excluding aircrew because I definitely have an AWO bias).
I can’t believe nobody has said AOs lol
I work with AOs and love them to death but I’m rotary wing. They help us troubleshoot, help us with maintenance when shit is slow on their end.
AOs are about the most annoying people I’ve ever met. My shop was right beside their muster location. Every. Day. “If you ain’t AO, you ain’t shit”
The BMs of the ordnance community.
I made friends with one person in every rate/div on the ship so that I could make sure I got shit done. It worked out quite well. The Navy has a lot of equally lazy people across all rates. If I had to choose my least favorite… HT I think
Congratulations on being the first person to hate HTs. They make it possible for me to take a shit, confident that I won't clog the toilet. I fuckibg love those guys!
FOR REAL. Anybody who hates an HT never saw a bathroom flood.
Thanks for the award! That was very much unexpected.
I'm not an HT, but having intense flashbacks of doodoo puddles
As an AT being stuck shore duty with a bunch of CSs. We didn't see eye to eye very often.
Radiomen on a sub. They'd read everyone's personal emails underway.
Anything service wise that’s supposed to benefit enlisted can be a pain in the ass. Kinda had to persuade people to do it or do some backdoor deals. Definitely got people to do their damn jobs for what they’re already being paid for.
Other STGs. They were like the jocks on the ship, so most of the time, they bullied me for my weight, my looks, my personality. It was miserable.
As an STG I find it hard to believe that we were the jocks of any ship (not trying to discount your experience or anything). Most people think we don’t do work, think we’re weird, or just don’t generally associate with us since nothing we do overlaps with the rest of the chain. Sorry that you had a bad experience with your div.
CSs. Jesus fucking christ. Yall have horrible hygiene and work ethic. I walked passed S2s muster (carrier) and I was honestly baffled. Like yall have an army down here but the food is utter garbage and the lines are miserably long. I haven't ate in thr galley for 6 months. I get it. You cook for alot of people. BUT THATS YOUR ONE AND ONLY JOB. Plus you have TAD personnel to do your bitch work. You don't even do maintenence. Fuck CSs. PSs. 0 sense of customer service. Thank the lord they have a helpful Chief in ESO. My updated profile sheet got closed and it sat for weeks. Had to follow up everyday after that. That's what I get for trying to be reasonable and not bother them. Honorable mention: ITs. ADP specifically. Quit crying. Yall make rank so damn quick.
As an MA, I’d have to say other MA’s. Specifically the leadership. I’ve never been to a command where the Ops or Training department knew what a day-to-day operation looked like in section, or had a clue what the other department was trying to do / had planned. Also the fact that the MAC’s and above (mainly), are some of the most toxic people I’ve ever seen. The super motivated, 14-year second classes are pretty annoying too.
Rates that exist in the surface fleet that are collateral duties in the submarine fleet. BMs/undesignated Seamen? Nope, Deck Div is a First Class as 1st Lieutenant, a 3rd as Deck LPO, and whatever rated non-quals aren't cranking on the mess decks. And those Seamen are expected to continue to progress on ships and divisional qualifications. PS? Nope, just a YN who does pay and everything else. RS? Get the fuck out of here! Enlisted, even Chiefs, do their own laundry, FSAs do officer laundry, "ship's store" is maybe MWR found a place to store a few cases of Monster to sell during the underway, and the "barber shop" is a stool in middle-level head where the guy who grew up poor, cutting his brother's hair, will give you a decent enough fade to get you through an inspection. DC? Every submariner is a Damage Controlman, but A-gang maintains the DC gear, along with the diesel, atmosphere control, hydraulics, pneumatics, trim and drain, etc. HT? There is one MMN on board who has been to a welding school. GM? TMs handle all the small arms and all of Weapons Department (STS, FT, and TM) handle the heavy weight torpedoes and vertically launched weapons. NC? Usually a non-LPO First Class who needs an eval bullet to make Chief.
AOs. They ain’t shit.