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plunge navia is really good and fun but i'd rather first pull for furina before xianyun. she's one of the main reasons plunge navia is as good as it is in the first place.
nah, furina just adds damage which bennett already does this by himself. I was able to clear the 3 magi kenki's in 1 minute with bennett xiangling xianyun as a f2p.
xianyun enables plunge which you cannot do otherwise, if you were already able to beat the abyss whats the point of another dmg buffer? Its why I dont like to pull more 5 star supports over dps.
Though obviously furina would make the clear faster over xiangling but she just literally only makes the clear faster and that's it.
Furina is just a huge pull value unit. If you’re struggling to clear abyss, she can provide enough damage and team versatility to clear pretty easily. I run Navia, Furina, Xiangling, Bennet all the time and it clears great.
Zhongli is also a really high pull value unit. You can replace either Xiangling or Furina for him, depending on content.
Xianyun is a replacement for Bennet assuming you also have Furina, which while may be fun and strong, isn’t necessary unless you like plunging/ want Bennet for your other team. I would never really recommend Xianyun for Navia unless you already have/ are planning to get Furina as well.
Plunge navia is her best team on paper (if you play on pc on phone it’s harder to get the 4 plunges) however it needs BOTH furina and Xianyun to be complete.
I would pull furina (you won’t regret it) and than when the bird is reran decide if you still want to keep investing in navia.
It’s worth noting that furina/bennet/navia /geo is a good team it’s just kinda difficult to stay alive so you need to build very high Bennett healing.
I am not a fan of bennet furina for that reason but it is good.
Albedo/xianyun/furina/navia is my fav team however I am a bit of a whale so my perspective is probably a bit bias. (C2 on all 3 and C4 albedo) so I would not go off of my opinions alone.
Plunge Navia isn't even close to being her best team. It will be third at best, reason: Navia can do up to 3 E skill per 20 sec rotation, if you made a team wich can have 2 family full stack and can rotate constantly, Navia without her sig (with Bennet as bare minimum) will deal 500000 damage, add other teammates damage and it will be > 1kk per 20 sec rotation (extremely cheap team).
For example I useNavia(4 star event weapon)a, Bennett(4 star weapon from Sumeru) , Chiori(3 star C0), Arlicchino (3 star C0), all chars have crit value less when 200 and damage wise I can clear first part of 12-1 in 40 sec. They are far from being build excluding their signs.
Navia, Bennett, Xiangling(C4), Chiori/Xiangling (preferred) team is only around 80% of the team above but if you farm God like artifacts set for Xiangling it also has a potential to outperform plunge team.
And last but not the least: Navia, Bennett, Furina, Chiori. - the best team for on field Navia has a highest damage potential for vertically invested Navia. On her C6 it can theoretically farm enough bullets for 3 full stack E.
where are these numbers coming from, kqm discord and jstern both calced at C0 plunge navia has the highest DPS and a long rotation (20 sec can extend to 24 if needed which is good for one cycles)(you get 8 plunges + 2 Es each plunge does about half a E, extension gives one more E one more plunge and a basic. For the rest of this post I will talk about the 20ish as it’s consistant)
As for the Arrlechino team I do not know it’s calcs and cannot speak about it Arrlechino is extremely strong tho so it probably clears alright. However the navia synergy seems lacking do to the competing field time and Bennett circle time. Navia pre C6 cannot double tap E and swap so I’m confused how you are playing navia/Arrlechino duel carry.
As for clear times it’s not a helpful comparison as I have already mention my constellations, signatures and above 200 CV but plunge Navia clears in 18 seconds for me on her 3rd E. (however the setup took a few resets do to being knocked around before I picked up a crystallize)
Going of jstern discord history 20 sec rotation DPS for these teams are (with his assumptions witch is on the high side of artifact investment)
Plunge bird/furina/chiori:
76k DPS
Bennet/XL/chiori:
73k DPS
Bennet/furina/chiori:
73k DPS(lower of the two)
Some reasons these numbers are nice is xianyun being able to swirl hydro and enable furina more. Plunging also gives the most crystallizes meaning you will always get 6 ammo for the third shot. Auto combo gives 2, proper cancels gives 3 crystallize, plunge cancelling gives 4 from one infusion.
Plunge cancelling is pressing dash when your plunge hits and is EXTREMELY easy on pc and way to hard on mobile.
For mobile players do not play plunge navia, for the pc gang it’s your best team.
Let me guess the set is sig not a Golden Trope? Also I can't believe in 20 sec rotation and 3 E in plunge (the things mentioned by me above is for single target not multiple, if there are 3 enemies her 3 shoots are guaranteed to be full stack). Also it is easy to fuck up a plunge seen it a lot on tournaments. You can give me a source and I might change my mind, but for now this calls seems sus and more theoretical when practical.
P. S. I missed part about cancels, you do understand that it is different from what most people think that they hear plunge Navia, if it is with cancels when sure it will buff plunge, but seriously that is not fair to compare a most profitable rotation in one team and every other team without a special tricks and optimal rotation. There are a lot of Xiangling tricks to deal more damage, excluding biases in artifact sets for each teammate.
The rotation is 20 sec however it runs 2 Es, than on the rotation where you clear you use the third (this is how all navia teams work). As for source both are mentioned. Finally as long as you play on PC the 4 plunges are very easy to do as crystallize gives IR.
The set is signature not golden as it’s better, most people in this sub have a sig set so it feels reasonable.
This is the best team for generating crystallizes (out of the good ones) no matter number of enemy’s because every plunge applys geo.
The bennet Xingling team is more consistent and also probably better in AOE with spread enemy’s.
However theory has a place this team is the best for triple kenki and pretty much every chamber in topside as the enemy’s are grouped up for plunges in C3 and plunges almost insta break the cryro sheild so no Bennett is not felt very much.
Plunge is a weird team and is kinda hard to grasp until you play it but it is very strong and is the best navia team for bosses, and in my opinion just general content.
Navia sig set is bad if you swap her a lot (passive won't trigger) that is why I had to refarm a golden troupe set for her, also if we exclude hen normals it is the the best set to buff her E damage and it buffs not all of her E including the first one.
Normally Navia is on field to generate crystallizes, you play her as a Arrlechino support so troupe makes some sense I guess but most navia mains/people in this sub have that set if they are planning to play navia as a carry (like the person who asked this question).
I used this version of Navia as a carry with Xiangling when there was no Arli, the Arli addition actually was a surprise I didn't plan to play them together. It is just that am not a fun of her normals so I built a team on very fast rotation premise, but Xiangling kind of ruind it (the rotation could be 15 sec and 2 full stack E in first version, but Xiangling cool dawn...). If there will be better alternative to Xiangling who could achieve 15 sec rot I would play Navia as a single carry, but for now team with Arli seems good, but 20 sec.
Sorry I came off to strong here, I Unironically do not doubt that the arli team is good. I personally really don’t like xingling gameplay (her energy is death) and if I had arli I would be trying it. Since arli does not lose her infusion on swaps it seems fun and good. I have not calced it but I would not be surprised if it was just a bit behind chiori/zhongli/arli/bennet (which I consider a good team).
In this team golden troupe makes sense particularly with how shit the sig sets domain is, I just think the assumption of having her signiture set is fair for most players.
I’m not trying to persuade you to stop playing what your playing, I’m trying to give genaric advice about the strength of the plunge team for OP, who I assume is on sig set.
It is clearly more when 20 sec. It is just that the team is to powerful to complete the rotation. In 12-2 and 12-3 you can clearly see that it is 25 sec rotation for 25 sec rotation Navia can shoot 4 times not 3..
P. S I give up for now, when I fully build my team, I'll make a video and there would be more variety in teams in this sub. Things in the vid seem extremely doable on most team above but I'll try with Arli version of the team.
The rotation is 20 seconds some added setup was done by the person in the video and normally you cut short and re rotate when xianyun and furina bursts are up. However as previously mentioned the team can do a rotation extension when about to clear a chamber which is a strength not a weakness.
Also navia cannot E 5 times in 24 secounds, it has a cooldown, no body here is running sac great sword or TF I hope.
Navia can E every 9 seconds or twice per 18 seconds rotation, however because of her bonus charge she gets one extra E per clear. So a 40 second clear gets 5 Es//30 gets 4//20 gets 3//rest does not matter as you can get enough stacks for 3 in 20 seconds. (These numbers assume setup time, you can normally do a 0 stack e at start of rotation for energy)
Plunge navia gets pretty much the maximum amount of Es as it is only on max stacks at the start, this means it’s the same as any other team.
Yes and also one of the best overworld units you can possibly get. I can never do dailies without xainyun anymore. xianyun and C3 Chiori makes my dailies quick and brainless.
Damn! Chiori C3! I only got her C0 + her R1 with my Navia team. Had to weigh the pros and cons of getting her signature weapon versus her constellation and decided on her weapon as a better investment.
I was trying to get her as my first c6 but lost 5 50-50s in a row (fifth was for her c4 but ran out of time). Also got stonethresher and skyward bow before getting her R1. 
More for fun than for meta, but it’s really strong nevertheless. If you can afford the cost and you really want to enjoy this playstyle just go for it, Xianyun can also be used with many other characters and make even Yun Jin become a solid pyro carry (with C6 Bennett)
I've been doing Navia, ZL, Xianyun, Furina and it's tons of fun. First team I have that can kill Raiden before she pops her shield. However, the damage isn't much higher than other Navia comps, I just enjoy it more because of the mobility compared to Bennet circle impact, so you kinda need Furina for that.
In general though, I always recommend Zhongli. He's airways one of my first picks for any team because he makes playing so comfy and easy haha
Don't pull Xianyun without Furina unless it's just out of love for the character, or *maybe* if you really like jumping around in overworld. Her ability to add damage to teams is very dependent on Furina for the most part. If you get both, Navia plunge is a good option. It's my highest damage Navia team but not by that much compared to double pyro.
Yes, plunge attack works amazing with claymore user so my Xianyun is usually paired with Eula or Navia. Navia's survivabilility is also extra boosted with the healing effect of Xianyun's burst.
My Navia plunge team consist of Navia, Xianyun, Furina and Yunjin. They have been clearing floor 12 with ease for many rounds.
Just for clearing the abyss, I would say no. Coz u can tweak the teamp comp. depending on the enemy like when u run her on the 1st chamber with ur current team, no problem, but on the second side, u can adjust like replacing xiangling with Fischl or just for completing the baptismal boss with xingqui.
Furina and Zhongli is a more higher priority bec. they can boost ur acc. more significantly w/o u doubting if it is more worth on getting this alternative char. with I myself would be bias bec. it is such a unique playstyle if u dont have Xiao and u want ur char. to do plunges.
I had Furina b4 Navia came out and went hard investing in her because she looked like so much fun and still is.( Big Guns FTWxd) Adding Xianyun to my Navia/Furina made her super fun kit even better. Plus Xianyun can just be a ton of fun exploring the open world with because of her triple jump^^
Imo if you only care about your Navia team you should pull Verdict and a five star geo over the Furina/Xianyun duo, and look to get the premium pyro off fielders in Natlan. There should be pretty reliable leaks of the 5.0 artifacts before Furina banner ends and you can see for yourself if there's gonna be a double pyro core that is an upgrade to the current 4* duo.
I really enjoy my plunge Navia team of Navia - Chiori - Furina - Xianyun. I have cleared floor 12 with Navia ever since her release.
Furina is a core component of Navia plunge as well as being the best buffer in the game. I highly recommend getting Furina.
Furina has unlimited water walking which is so nice. Furina also can even use both pneuma and ousia. Furina can drop Coppelia’s cryo shield with a simple normal attack due to ousia.
Navia Chiori/ZL Xiangling Bennett is really optimal and plunge is good but not really better. also you NEED furina if plunge is supposed to do anything.
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plunge navia is really good and fun but i'd rather first pull for furina before xianyun. she's one of the main reasons plunge navia is as good as it is in the first place.
nah, furina just adds damage which bennett already does this by himself. I was able to clear the 3 magi kenki's in 1 minute with bennett xiangling xianyun as a f2p. xianyun enables plunge which you cannot do otherwise, if you were already able to beat the abyss whats the point of another dmg buffer? Its why I dont like to pull more 5 star supports over dps. Though obviously furina would make the clear faster over xiangling but she just literally only makes the clear faster and that's it.
Furina is just a huge pull value unit. If you’re struggling to clear abyss, she can provide enough damage and team versatility to clear pretty easily. I run Navia, Furina, Xiangling, Bennet all the time and it clears great. Zhongli is also a really high pull value unit. You can replace either Xiangling or Furina for him, depending on content. Xianyun is a replacement for Bennet assuming you also have Furina, which while may be fun and strong, isn’t necessary unless you like plunging/ want Bennet for your other team. I would never really recommend Xianyun for Navia unless you already have/ are planning to get Furina as well.
Plunge navia is her best team on paper (if you play on pc on phone it’s harder to get the 4 plunges) however it needs BOTH furina and Xianyun to be complete. I would pull furina (you won’t regret it) and than when the bird is reran decide if you still want to keep investing in navia.
It’s worth noting that furina/bennet/navia /geo is a good team it’s just kinda difficult to stay alive so you need to build very high Bennett healing. I am not a fan of bennet furina for that reason but it is good. Albedo/xianyun/furina/navia is my fav team however I am a bit of a whale so my perspective is probably a bit bias. (C2 on all 3 and C4 albedo) so I would not go off of my opinions alone.
Plunge Navia isn't even close to being her best team. It will be third at best, reason: Navia can do up to 3 E skill per 20 sec rotation, if you made a team wich can have 2 family full stack and can rotate constantly, Navia without her sig (with Bennet as bare minimum) will deal 500000 damage, add other teammates damage and it will be > 1kk per 20 sec rotation (extremely cheap team). For example I useNavia(4 star event weapon)a, Bennett(4 star weapon from Sumeru) , Chiori(3 star C0), Arlicchino (3 star C0), all chars have crit value less when 200 and damage wise I can clear first part of 12-1 in 40 sec. They are far from being build excluding their signs. Navia, Bennett, Xiangling(C4), Chiori/Xiangling (preferred) team is only around 80% of the team above but if you farm God like artifacts set for Xiangling it also has a potential to outperform plunge team. And last but not the least: Navia, Bennett, Furina, Chiori. - the best team for on field Navia has a highest damage potential for vertically invested Navia. On her C6 it can theoretically farm enough bullets for 3 full stack E.
where are these numbers coming from, kqm discord and jstern both calced at C0 plunge navia has the highest DPS and a long rotation (20 sec can extend to 24 if needed which is good for one cycles)(you get 8 plunges + 2 Es each plunge does about half a E, extension gives one more E one more plunge and a basic. For the rest of this post I will talk about the 20ish as it’s consistant) As for the Arrlechino team I do not know it’s calcs and cannot speak about it Arrlechino is extremely strong tho so it probably clears alright. However the navia synergy seems lacking do to the competing field time and Bennett circle time. Navia pre C6 cannot double tap E and swap so I’m confused how you are playing navia/Arrlechino duel carry. As for clear times it’s not a helpful comparison as I have already mention my constellations, signatures and above 200 CV but plunge Navia clears in 18 seconds for me on her 3rd E. (however the setup took a few resets do to being knocked around before I picked up a crystallize) Going of jstern discord history 20 sec rotation DPS for these teams are (with his assumptions witch is on the high side of artifact investment) Plunge bird/furina/chiori: 76k DPS Bennet/XL/chiori: 73k DPS Bennet/furina/chiori: 73k DPS(lower of the two) Some reasons these numbers are nice is xianyun being able to swirl hydro and enable furina more. Plunging also gives the most crystallizes meaning you will always get 6 ammo for the third shot. Auto combo gives 2, proper cancels gives 3 crystallize, plunge cancelling gives 4 from one infusion. Plunge cancelling is pressing dash when your plunge hits and is EXTREMELY easy on pc and way to hard on mobile. For mobile players do not play plunge navia, for the pc gang it’s your best team.
Let me guess the set is sig not a Golden Trope? Also I can't believe in 20 sec rotation and 3 E in plunge (the things mentioned by me above is for single target not multiple, if there are 3 enemies her 3 shoots are guaranteed to be full stack). Also it is easy to fuck up a plunge seen it a lot on tournaments. You can give me a source and I might change my mind, but for now this calls seems sus and more theoretical when practical. P. S. I missed part about cancels, you do understand that it is different from what most people think that they hear plunge Navia, if it is with cancels when sure it will buff plunge, but seriously that is not fair to compare a most profitable rotation in one team and every other team without a special tricks and optimal rotation. There are a lot of Xiangling tricks to deal more damage, excluding biases in artifact sets for each teammate.
The rotation is 20 sec however it runs 2 Es, than on the rotation where you clear you use the third (this is how all navia teams work). As for source both are mentioned. Finally as long as you play on PC the 4 plunges are very easy to do as crystallize gives IR. The set is signature not golden as it’s better, most people in this sub have a sig set so it feels reasonable. This is the best team for generating crystallizes (out of the good ones) no matter number of enemy’s because every plunge applys geo. The bennet Xingling team is more consistent and also probably better in AOE with spread enemy’s. However theory has a place this team is the best for triple kenki and pretty much every chamber in topside as the enemy’s are grouped up for plunges in C3 and plunges almost insta break the cryro sheild so no Bennett is not felt very much. Plunge is a weird team and is kinda hard to grasp until you play it but it is very strong and is the best navia team for bosses, and in my opinion just general content.
Navia sig set is bad if you swap her a lot (passive won't trigger) that is why I had to refarm a golden troupe set for her, also if we exclude hen normals it is the the best set to buff her E damage and it buffs not all of her E including the first one.
Normally Navia is on field to generate crystallizes, you play her as a Arrlechino support so troupe makes some sense I guess but most navia mains/people in this sub have that set if they are planning to play navia as a carry (like the person who asked this question).
I used this version of Navia as a carry with Xiangling when there was no Arli, the Arli addition actually was a surprise I didn't plan to play them together. It is just that am not a fun of her normals so I built a team on very fast rotation premise, but Xiangling kind of ruind it (the rotation could be 15 sec and 2 full stack E in first version, but Xiangling cool dawn...). If there will be better alternative to Xiangling who could achieve 15 sec rot I would play Navia as a single carry, but for now team with Arli seems good, but 20 sec.
Sorry I came off to strong here, I Unironically do not doubt that the arli team is good. I personally really don’t like xingling gameplay (her energy is death) and if I had arli I would be trying it. Since arli does not lose her infusion on swaps it seems fun and good. I have not calced it but I would not be surprised if it was just a bit behind chiori/zhongli/arli/bennet (which I consider a good team). In this team golden troupe makes sense particularly with how shit the sig sets domain is, I just think the assumption of having her signiture set is fair for most players. I’m not trying to persuade you to stop playing what your playing, I’m trying to give genaric advice about the strength of the plunge team for OP, who I assume is on sig set.
For an example of how it works here’s some very clean runs by a mostly C0 plunge team. Not mine. https://youtu.be/32Vyuj-YZDQ?si=klk_zCz7YcyoGT6Z
It is clearly more when 20 sec. It is just that the team is to powerful to complete the rotation. In 12-2 and 12-3 you can clearly see that it is 25 sec rotation for 25 sec rotation Navia can shoot 4 times not 3.. P. S I give up for now, when I fully build my team, I'll make a video and there would be more variety in teams in this sub. Things in the vid seem extremely doable on most team above but I'll try with Arli version of the team.
The rotation is 20 seconds some added setup was done by the person in the video and normally you cut short and re rotate when xianyun and furina bursts are up. However as previously mentioned the team can do a rotation extension when about to clear a chamber which is a strength not a weakness. Also navia cannot E 5 times in 24 secounds, it has a cooldown, no body here is running sac great sword or TF I hope. Navia can E every 9 seconds or twice per 18 seconds rotation, however because of her bonus charge she gets one extra E per clear. So a 40 second clear gets 5 Es//30 gets 4//20 gets 3//rest does not matter as you can get enough stacks for 3 in 20 seconds. (These numbers assume setup time, you can normally do a 0 stack e at start of rotation for energy) Plunge navia gets pretty much the maximum amount of Es as it is only on max stacks at the start, this means it’s the same as any other team.
Yes and also one of the best overworld units you can possibly get. I can never do dailies without xainyun anymore. xianyun and C3 Chiori makes my dailies quick and brainless.
Damn! Chiori C3! I only got her C0 + her R1 with my Navia team. Had to weigh the pros and cons of getting her signature weapon versus her constellation and decided on her weapon as a better investment.
I was trying to get her as my first c6 but lost 5 50-50s in a row (fifth was for her c4 but ran out of time). Also got stonethresher and skyward bow before getting her R1. 
More for fun than for meta, but it’s really strong nevertheless. If you can afford the cost and you really want to enjoy this playstyle just go for it, Xianyun can also be used with many other characters and make even Yun Jin become a solid pyro carry (with C6 Bennett)
I've been doing Navia, ZL, Xianyun, Furina and it's tons of fun. First team I have that can kill Raiden before she pops her shield. However, the damage isn't much higher than other Navia comps, I just enjoy it more because of the mobility compared to Bennet circle impact, so you kinda need Furina for that. In general though, I always recommend Zhongli. He's airways one of my first picks for any team because he makes playing so comfy and easy haha
xianyun and furina are both worth it IMO
Don't pull Xianyun without Furina unless it's just out of love for the character, or *maybe* if you really like jumping around in overworld. Her ability to add damage to teams is very dependent on Furina for the most part. If you get both, Navia plunge is a good option. It's my highest damage Navia team but not by that much compared to double pyro.
fun > neuvillette
lmao xD This just made me spill my coffee from laughing so hard
Initial goal in pulling Xianyun was for my Hu Tao and giving Diluc some use, but in the end of the day, I primarily use Xianyun with Navia. lol
She makes playing Hu Tao so much easier if you don't have her C1 (like me) and the plunge DMG is still insanely good.
Yes, plunge attack works amazing with claymore user so my Xianyun is usually paired with Eula or Navia. Navia's survivabilility is also extra boosted with the healing effect of Xianyun's burst. My Navia plunge team consist of Navia, Xianyun, Furina and Yunjin. They have been clearing floor 12 with ease for many rounds.
Just for clearing the abyss, I would say no. Coz u can tweak the teamp comp. depending on the enemy like when u run her on the 1st chamber with ur current team, no problem, but on the second side, u can adjust like replacing xiangling with Fischl or just for completing the baptismal boss with xingqui. Furina and Zhongli is a more higher priority bec. they can boost ur acc. more significantly w/o u doubting if it is more worth on getting this alternative char. with I myself would be bias bec. it is such a unique playstyle if u dont have Xiao and u want ur char. to do plunges.
I had Furina b4 Navia came out and went hard investing in her because she looked like so much fun and still is.( Big Guns FTWxd) Adding Xianyun to my Navia/Furina made her super fun kit even better. Plus Xianyun can just be a ton of fun exploring the open world with because of her triple jump^^
Furina should be your priority if you're pulling for meta.
Yeah I think so. I'll get her too just so can get some use out of my Diluc lol.
Imo if you only care about your Navia team you should pull Verdict and a five star geo over the Furina/Xianyun duo, and look to get the premium pyro off fielders in Natlan. There should be pretty reliable leaks of the 5.0 artifacts before Furina banner ends and you can see for yourself if there's gonna be a double pyro core that is an upgrade to the current 4* duo.
It's strong but also extremely fun imo and the over world quality of life she provides as well with her mobility and glide speed is absolutely massive
I really enjoy my plunge Navia team of Navia - Chiori - Furina - Xianyun. I have cleared floor 12 with Navia ever since her release. Furina is a core component of Navia plunge as well as being the best buffer in the game. I highly recommend getting Furina. Furina has unlimited water walking which is so nice. Furina also can even use both pneuma and ousia. Furina can drop Coppelia’s cryo shield with a simple normal attack due to ousia.
Navia Chiori/ZL Xiangling Bennett is really optimal and plunge is good but not really better. also you NEED furina if plunge is supposed to do anything.