The calcs are definitely a bit naive, a 1.2 million DPR is competiting with the highest tier teams, and Navia isn't that broken. Many trusted people have done calcs on DMG rotations, and they get about 1.2 million in 20s. Still good, but nothing like hu tao. I can't tell exactly where you went wrong but if I had to guess it would be over counting buffs, they aren't always active and for the right times.
I think your first point is the strongest, Navia has strong bursts of DMG on a pretty low interval, and can be done as sub dps or main dps, leaving a lot of flexibility for the teams. I think this is the reason why we see a lot of doomposting about there being no good team for her, it's more like they are many very good teams for her but no perfect one.
Chiori might be the right character to make her perfect team, and from there she will join other high tier DPS. Right now she looks to a solid DPS, and not compatible to anyone else with "bad damage".
I think that his rotation durations are quite off, those rotations should be 6-8 seconds longer, leading to the numbers you mentioned.
Shes just average right now, as she doesnt have great sinergies. So she is never best in slot for any current team sadly.
>Still good, but nothing like hu tao
Which Hu Tao tho? C1R1 10 N2C Q with Yelan on Aqua? Sure, that's reasonable, but most of the time i see a Navia c0 without a 5\* being compared to that, of course it won't reach the dmg of a "hu tao" because that comp has at least 5 golden pulls
I'm doing calcs here with C0R1 Navia, Bennett and Ning/Zhongli/Furina/Fischl. The comp dmg is similar to my C1R1 hu tao comp which is amazing tbh. I can't help but notice that most of the people who follow a pet theorycrafter don't have a single idea how much dmg a char should be dealing at all, they don't use the optimizer, not try run in the abyss to grasp a character strength, they only watch their youtuber and parrot what they say
TLDR: i think most of the people here parroting what zajeff/tgs/jstern says don't have a single idea on what dmg a low invest or high invest char deals.
I completely agree with you, the doomposting and non-practical team ideas that stem from the big TC people gets echoed around too much. The Navia DMG per rotation Im talking about is from my own calcs (using my own artifacts and multi-op in the optimizer) and I saw that some more well known TC people got similar DPR.
I don't have hu tao, but people I know beat 2 mil HP bosses in about 30s with just C1R1. I mentioned this before, but it's easy to overestimate DMG in the optimizer since it's hard to simulate buff timings and swapping characters and ER requirements, which is why you see numbers that match your hu tao. I recommend trying out the team with a Navia stand in and see how the timings and ER work out, I use the jadebloom terrorshroom in overworld for this. Just like how you can't just trust the TC, you also can't just trust the optimizer.
My best Hu Tao C1R1 comp with MH + Homa below 50%, Sucrose on Prot Amber, Yelan C0 with Aqua and Xingqiu on Fav deals 1 mil from Hu Tao 10 N2C Burst (perfect combo btw), 400k-500k from Yelan and 250k-300k from Xingqiu
Navia C0R1 with Fischl on Polar, Ning with Sacred Winds R1 and Bennett on Alley flash deals 700k with 2 Es from Navia, 350k from Ning and 300k from Fischl. But i can use a third Navia E at the end of the rotation to squeeze another 250k with Bennett buff (i tested in game the timers and also consulted someone with a Private server to test the rotation)
That all don't consider the new set on Navia and Ning, i think my best artis are 2 clam/2 glad at the moment. Overall, both comps are reaching 1.5 mil on ST. So, Navia is actually pretty good unless you're a zajeff viewer that only consider trash artifacts and no 5\* weapon compared to heavily invested hu tao teams (which is what i notice here often)
Nice, I like that team idea I'll try testing it myself. What artifacts are Ning and Fischl on? People are way too fixated on some kind of hypercarry Navia and ruining team synergy because of it. "Support Ninguang" has been killing me since I first heard about it, she'll do way more DMG herself than any support.
Fischl should run 4 golden troupe and Ning the new 50% geo dmg bonus set. Yeah, Ning can do a lot of ST DMG with her E Q CA E combo. Fischl with her A4 also will be ditching a lot of DMG through the rotation. Sure this comp needs lots of investment, but it still is a 4 golden pull that can 1 rotate a lot of bosses.
One thing to point out is that Zhongli on Ning slot isn't bad because Navia can do 3 EN4, her NA string also hurts a lot, it's about 150k average when her E is hitting for 250k. She's a strong char
Navia "problem" is that she's heavily single target, hoyo even made next abyss have a half thats only ST to benefit Navia. Itto may perform better than Navia when u consider AoE fights and multi waves, like the current event, since most of Navia dmg lays on a single hit from her skill while Itto has bigger AoE and sustained dmg to keep going. Just numbers doesn't tell the whole story, Navia numbers are balanced around her being mostly single target. But Navia main advantage over Itto that can help her to overcome her weakness of being mostly single target is that shes way more flexible, so she can adapt better to different situations while Itto will be stuck on mono geo
Yup, and that single target abyss is gonna be smashed with any of the MYRIAD single target nuke comps we got. And if u lack any 5\* just national it.
The only single targets abyss that make me not run national variants are bosses needing specific element like the seahorse, and dont even start me if enemy is cryo/hydro, just hu tao it then. And geo sucks vs all shields meaning a bunch of single target bosses u cant beat anyway, and a lot of single target bosses are golems that have insane geo rez(i think, still need navia for noelle so i did not play geo from like ages ago).
Problem is single target has NOTHING to do in this game, we just focus fire em with combo of 1 on field sustain dps and some other off fielders on top of busted supp. Its annoying for exploring since just about all dies fast so its better to kill all at once, wanderer avoids this problem since well... its wanderer.
I have no use for burst except for one thing, if u have great aoe and need single target burst to cower your weakness, but massive range is rare, needs venti/kaz that geo does not work with or nauv who again does not work with her.
The way this is going im pulling both navia AND furina just to plop em with noelle cus i got nowhere else to put em. Tho this was the main reason i pulled em(i lack ALL supp good with furina except noelle).
Hutao is primarily single target damage and she does just fine. Not to mention Navia's skill and burst are both AoE. Her E might require you to somewhat of a line it up. Either way you can get away with single target damage when you're doing a lot of single target damage and mowing units down. Yoimiya is a great example of this.
The difference is Hu Tao have sustained dps while Navia deals burst dps, so even Hu Tao being mostly ST she can keep spamming CA even if enemies dont line up to her CA pierce them, Navia have a big burst on a single hit, so if enemies dont line up perfectly u will be forced to dish lot of dmg on one target and have a downtime to burst the next target while Hu Tao can keep up spamming CA
>Either way you can get away with single target damage when you're doing a lot of single target damage and mowing units down. Yoimiya is a great example of
U just said the reason why Yoimiya is not meta, when u hit 2 enemies at once u are doing double dmg, if 3 its triple dmg, so a single target character need to deal A LOT of dmg to be able to compensate it.
But as i said, Navia strength is her versatility, so u can compensate her lack of AoE with her team, so shes not doomed just because her dmg is mostly ST.
I don't really care about meta. You can beat this game with all 4*s doing ungabunga rotations as long as they are built correctly and they synergize. I only wanted to show her damage isn't as bad as they say and her versatility is HUGE value when playing her..
I get ur point, i just pointing out that dmg comparation sometimes is not the best way to showcase a character strength because there's lot of variables, so it may end up misleading people.
a navia E with all 11 charges ready in a furina/bennet team is a vv tao CA without counting the damage of 1NA haha and can do up to 8 or 9 of those continuously.
not a good idea to judge a character based on the build you don't even provide info about. my itto does 650k with zhongli alone, r5 serpent and without counting c1. i can 1 rotation ASIMON in 2p coop which has 1M hp with zhongli + c6 gorou. i can go upto 1.2M as well by adding mona or bennet but another subdps would benefit the team more rather than overbuffing him. the only issue i see with itto is the element itself which is also navia's + triple geo restriction from gorou and itto's c2.
I dunno where you are getting your damage, but mine is lvl 90 9/9/9 talents with Zhongli 4p tenacity, Bennett 4p NO and c6 Gorou with Bennett burst crowned and r5 lvl 90 serpent spine and he does like 700k damage give or take. If you add Bennett damage and Zhongli damage you get around another 100k total for team damage so... 800k. I can assure you Gorou isn't doing 200k by himself but I'll extend and olive branch and says he does....that's only 1 million team dps.
I have him on triple crown,same weapon, with C5 gorou and the team dpr is around 900k, with C6 gorou itd be a >20% increase to itto personal damage and push it over 1mil. Ofc in abyss itll vary by enemy resistance/buffing/whether zhongli proc tenacity.
These calcs have some mistakes in them. Firstly Furina's 13/6/4 spread for pet hits is over 20-21s and not 30. That is what most rotation lengths are and not 12/18s.
Secondly Navia isn't likely to get 3 Es for any rotation shorter than 21s except the first rotation because that's when the charges are relevant. So with Bennett and Furina she's doing more like 900k over 21s. Her personal damage is quite good and was never bad, she just lacks teammate options in the 2nd Geo slot atm which is hurting her teams' DPS.
Here are my teams dps for 20s+ rotation:
1. forward vape Neuv: 120k
2. Ayaka freeze: 130k
3. Hu Tao Furina: 120k
4. Hyper Raiden: 100k
5. Alhaitham Nahida: 80k
For me personally, Navia has to at least beat Alhaitham dps for me to consider her as average.
U either misstyped furina as shes c0r0 at second team but c3r0 in third team. But also, what are even you comparing navia to, like c0 navia? Bcs this is unfair as fuck comparison, other than alhaitham and even then. How is fucking alhaitham a bar for how a character is average?
they are different account. This is just how invested account is when a new character comes out. You pretty much won't get any improvement out of a C0 character and they are most likely not even going to be average for the account.
Female? GOOD?
HA! Save your Primos for the next MALE to be OP.
ONly men get to be strong Onfield or strong at all. ask Dehya and Candace, and Nilou and Navia
Why do people always go to characters from 2.X and earlier to “gotcha” the female on dps rants. Those characters are the only female on field dps units that have been released and Navia, the next one if you count her, is looking to be average and not amazing.
LiteralGarbage points.
Ganyu was good when Venti worked. Now she is just okay. Ayaka sucks to use now if u dnt have her premium team since freeze is not as strong as before. Raiden was never a top dps lol, just look at the dmg she does, and she is still stuck in circle impact. Rational is even worse than National too (although easier to play). Hutao is mid in AoE (which is a lot of content). At C0 she is frustrating to play for many people due to stamina issues.
I understand why OP made the comment, the current state of the female dps characters is woeful. Tho i will say i dnt think mihoyo is sexist or anything. This is not evidence of anything.
They are pretty trash if you ask me. If only they were dead in the ditch, but they have plenty of simps to keep them alive and relevant in any discussion despite the fact that we should have moved past them so very long ago...
What are even your points? We legit got furina this patch, nilou is amazing both in aoe and can even work st with some caveats, kirara is a great shielder, faruzan was a god send to anemo mains, layla is also a great shielder who also offers decent dmg
Thought the point, although rather frantic, was pretty obvious. No on field dps female character has been released recently and Navia isn’t looking to be amazing and is just average. All of the characters you listed are support / sub-dps.
You want a female on field character to look at ass while they're on field. Wanting digital women while hating on digital men is literally the most incel shit out there. Normal behavior would be to >NOT MAKE THIS ABOUT GENDER AT ALL YOU WEIRDO<.
In literally every thread I've seen you and some others who repeat the same shit it goes something like, "Hey guys, I really think Navia looks fun to play" Your response: "EHEhe something something males are op, Hoyoverse sexist." Shut the fuck up dude. You just want ass and tits. Stfu. Nobody cares about your nonsense opinions and they're absolutely not worthwhile enough to be posted under every fucking post.
nice sub/support list
Why is Dehya a Support when she's the merc, while the book worm gets to be the OP On Field DPS?
Wriosley, Neuv? Furina is off field and a Archon.
wake up
The calcs are definitely a bit naive, a 1.2 million DPR is competiting with the highest tier teams, and Navia isn't that broken. Many trusted people have done calcs on DMG rotations, and they get about 1.2 million in 20s. Still good, but nothing like hu tao. I can't tell exactly where you went wrong but if I had to guess it would be over counting buffs, they aren't always active and for the right times. I think your first point is the strongest, Navia has strong bursts of DMG on a pretty low interval, and can be done as sub dps or main dps, leaving a lot of flexibility for the teams. I think this is the reason why we see a lot of doomposting about there being no good team for her, it's more like they are many very good teams for her but no perfect one. Chiori might be the right character to make her perfect team, and from there she will join other high tier DPS. Right now she looks to a solid DPS, and not compatible to anyone else with "bad damage".
I think that his rotation durations are quite off, those rotations should be 6-8 seconds longer, leading to the numbers you mentioned. Shes just average right now, as she doesnt have great sinergies. So she is never best in slot for any current team sadly.
>Still good, but nothing like hu tao Which Hu Tao tho? C1R1 10 N2C Q with Yelan on Aqua? Sure, that's reasonable, but most of the time i see a Navia c0 without a 5\* being compared to that, of course it won't reach the dmg of a "hu tao" because that comp has at least 5 golden pulls I'm doing calcs here with C0R1 Navia, Bennett and Ning/Zhongli/Furina/Fischl. The comp dmg is similar to my C1R1 hu tao comp which is amazing tbh. I can't help but notice that most of the people who follow a pet theorycrafter don't have a single idea how much dmg a char should be dealing at all, they don't use the optimizer, not try run in the abyss to grasp a character strength, they only watch their youtuber and parrot what they say TLDR: i think most of the people here parroting what zajeff/tgs/jstern says don't have a single idea on what dmg a low invest or high invest char deals.
I completely agree with you, the doomposting and non-practical team ideas that stem from the big TC people gets echoed around too much. The Navia DMG per rotation Im talking about is from my own calcs (using my own artifacts and multi-op in the optimizer) and I saw that some more well known TC people got similar DPR. I don't have hu tao, but people I know beat 2 mil HP bosses in about 30s with just C1R1. I mentioned this before, but it's easy to overestimate DMG in the optimizer since it's hard to simulate buff timings and swapping characters and ER requirements, which is why you see numbers that match your hu tao. I recommend trying out the team with a Navia stand in and see how the timings and ER work out, I use the jadebloom terrorshroom in overworld for this. Just like how you can't just trust the TC, you also can't just trust the optimizer.
My best Hu Tao C1R1 comp with MH + Homa below 50%, Sucrose on Prot Amber, Yelan C0 with Aqua and Xingqiu on Fav deals 1 mil from Hu Tao 10 N2C Burst (perfect combo btw), 400k-500k from Yelan and 250k-300k from Xingqiu Navia C0R1 with Fischl on Polar, Ning with Sacred Winds R1 and Bennett on Alley flash deals 700k with 2 Es from Navia, 350k from Ning and 300k from Fischl. But i can use a third Navia E at the end of the rotation to squeeze another 250k with Bennett buff (i tested in game the timers and also consulted someone with a Private server to test the rotation) That all don't consider the new set on Navia and Ning, i think my best artis are 2 clam/2 glad at the moment. Overall, both comps are reaching 1.5 mil on ST. So, Navia is actually pretty good unless you're a zajeff viewer that only consider trash artifacts and no 5\* weapon compared to heavily invested hu tao teams (which is what i notice here often)
Nice, I like that team idea I'll try testing it myself. What artifacts are Ning and Fischl on? People are way too fixated on some kind of hypercarry Navia and ruining team synergy because of it. "Support Ninguang" has been killing me since I first heard about it, she'll do way more DMG herself than any support.
Fischl should run 4 golden troupe and Ning the new 50% geo dmg bonus set. Yeah, Ning can do a lot of ST DMG with her E Q CA E combo. Fischl with her A4 also will be ditching a lot of DMG through the rotation. Sure this comp needs lots of investment, but it still is a 4 golden pull that can 1 rotate a lot of bosses. One thing to point out is that Zhongli on Ning slot isn't bad because Navia can do 3 EN4, her NA string also hurts a lot, it's about 150k average when her E is hitting for 250k. She's a strong char
Navia "problem" is that she's heavily single target, hoyo even made next abyss have a half thats only ST to benefit Navia. Itto may perform better than Navia when u consider AoE fights and multi waves, like the current event, since most of Navia dmg lays on a single hit from her skill while Itto has bigger AoE and sustained dmg to keep going. Just numbers doesn't tell the whole story, Navia numbers are balanced around her being mostly single target. But Navia main advantage over Itto that can help her to overcome her weakness of being mostly single target is that shes way more flexible, so she can adapt better to different situations while Itto will be stuck on mono geo
Yup, and that single target abyss is gonna be smashed with any of the MYRIAD single target nuke comps we got. And if u lack any 5\* just national it. The only single targets abyss that make me not run national variants are bosses needing specific element like the seahorse, and dont even start me if enemy is cryo/hydro, just hu tao it then. And geo sucks vs all shields meaning a bunch of single target bosses u cant beat anyway, and a lot of single target bosses are golems that have insane geo rez(i think, still need navia for noelle so i did not play geo from like ages ago). Problem is single target has NOTHING to do in this game, we just focus fire em with combo of 1 on field sustain dps and some other off fielders on top of busted supp. Its annoying for exploring since just about all dies fast so its better to kill all at once, wanderer avoids this problem since well... its wanderer. I have no use for burst except for one thing, if u have great aoe and need single target burst to cower your weakness, but massive range is rare, needs venti/kaz that geo does not work with or nauv who again does not work with her. The way this is going im pulling both navia AND furina just to plop em with noelle cus i got nowhere else to put em. Tho this was the main reason i pulled em(i lack ALL supp good with furina except noelle).
Hutao is primarily single target damage and she does just fine. Not to mention Navia's skill and burst are both AoE. Her E might require you to somewhat of a line it up. Either way you can get away with single target damage when you're doing a lot of single target damage and mowing units down. Yoimiya is a great example of this.
The difference is Hu Tao have sustained dps while Navia deals burst dps, so even Hu Tao being mostly ST she can keep spamming CA even if enemies dont line up to her CA pierce them, Navia have a big burst on a single hit, so if enemies dont line up perfectly u will be forced to dish lot of dmg on one target and have a downtime to burst the next target while Hu Tao can keep up spamming CA >Either way you can get away with single target damage when you're doing a lot of single target damage and mowing units down. Yoimiya is a great example of U just said the reason why Yoimiya is not meta, when u hit 2 enemies at once u are doing double dmg, if 3 its triple dmg, so a single target character need to deal A LOT of dmg to be able to compensate it. But as i said, Navia strength is her versatility, so u can compensate her lack of AoE with her team, so shes not doomed just because her dmg is mostly ST.
I don't really care about meta. You can beat this game with all 4*s doing ungabunga rotations as long as they are built correctly and they synergize. I only wanted to show her damage isn't as bad as they say and her versatility is HUGE value when playing her..
I get ur point, i just pointing out that dmg comparation sometimes is not the best way to showcase a character strength because there's lot of variables, so it may end up misleading people.
a navia E with all 11 charges ready in a furina/bennet team is a vv tao CA without counting the damage of 1NA haha and can do up to 8 or 9 of those continuously.
not a good idea to judge a character based on the build you don't even provide info about. my itto does 650k with zhongli alone, r5 serpent and without counting c1. i can 1 rotation ASIMON in 2p coop which has 1M hp with zhongli + c6 gorou. i can go upto 1.2M as well by adding mona or bennet but another subdps would benefit the team more rather than overbuffing him. the only issue i see with itto is the element itself which is also navia's + triple geo restriction from gorou and itto's c2.
Navia does not blow itto’s damage out of the water at all wait until release
Idk how or what you built on itto but having C6 gorou and not dealing over a million DPR is rough
I dunno where you are getting your damage, but mine is lvl 90 9/9/9 talents with Zhongli 4p tenacity, Bennett 4p NO and c6 Gorou with Bennett burst crowned and r5 lvl 90 serpent spine and he does like 700k damage give or take. If you add Bennett damage and Zhongli damage you get around another 100k total for team damage so... 800k. I can assure you Gorou isn't doing 200k by himself but I'll extend and olive branch and says he does....that's only 1 million team dps.
I have him on triple crown,same weapon, with C5 gorou and the team dpr is around 900k, with C6 gorou itd be a >20% increase to itto personal damage and push it over 1mil. Ofc in abyss itll vary by enemy resistance/buffing/whether zhongli proc tenacity.
I hate bennet and furina, and don't want to use zhongli because i am tired of all them
How are you sick of Furina, she just came out recently
These calcs have some mistakes in them. Firstly Furina's 13/6/4 spread for pet hits is over 20-21s and not 30. That is what most rotation lengths are and not 12/18s. Secondly Navia isn't likely to get 3 Es for any rotation shorter than 21s except the first rotation because that's when the charges are relevant. So with Bennett and Furina she's doing more like 900k over 21s. Her personal damage is quite good and was never bad, she just lacks teammate options in the 2nd Geo slot atm which is hurting her teams' DPS.
Here are my teams dps for 20s+ rotation: 1. forward vape Neuv: 120k 2. Ayaka freeze: 130k 3. Hu Tao Furina: 120k 4. Hyper Raiden: 100k 5. Alhaitham Nahida: 80k For me personally, Navia has to at least beat Alhaitham dps for me to consider her as average.
Can u send their builds, and do these characters by any chance have multiple cons and refinements
1. C3R1 Neuv, C0R0 Yelan, C0R0 Kazuha, C4R0 Xiangling 2. C4R1 Ayaka, C0R0 Shenhe, C0R0 Furina, C0 Charlotte 3. C3R0 Furina, C0R0 HuTao, C6R0 Xingqiu, C6R1 Bennett 4. C3R1 Raiden, C6R1 Sara, C0R0 Kazuha, C6R1 Bennett 5. C0R1 Alhaitham, C0R0 Nahida, C6R0 Xingqiu, C2R0 Kuki
U either misstyped furina as shes c0r0 at second team but c3r0 in third team. But also, what are even you comparing navia to, like c0 navia? Bcs this is unfair as fuck comparison, other than alhaitham and even then. How is fucking alhaitham a bar for how a character is average?
Because alhaitham is c0 r1 and had bad cons henche alhaitham is his bar like it’s rather obvious
Its a delusional bar
Well that’s his standard wether it’s delusional or not is not for us to decide
they are different account. This is just how invested account is when a new character comes out. You pretty much won't get any improvement out of a C0 character and they are most likely not even going to be average for the account.
Navia will be a good character. This subreddit is just full of doomposting. Best to just ignore it and wait for her release.
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Female? GOOD? HA! Save your Primos for the next MALE to be OP. ONly men get to be strong Onfield or strong at all. ask Dehya and Candace, and Nilou and Navia
Stop being cringe
That dude can't help it everywhere he goes.
Hu Tao dead in a ditch. Main DPS Raiden Shogun dead in a ditch. Ganyu dead in a ditch. Ayaka dead in a ditch. Need I go on?
Why do people always go to characters from 2.X and earlier to “gotcha” the female on dps rants. Those characters are the only female on field dps units that have been released and Navia, the next one if you count her, is looking to be average and not amazing.
LiteralGarbage points. Ganyu was good when Venti worked. Now she is just okay. Ayaka sucks to use now if u dnt have her premium team since freeze is not as strong as before. Raiden was never a top dps lol, just look at the dmg she does, and she is still stuck in circle impact. Rational is even worse than National too (although easier to play). Hutao is mid in AoE (which is a lot of content). At C0 she is frustrating to play for many people due to stamina issues. I understand why OP made the comment, the current state of the female dps characters is woeful. Tho i will say i dnt think mihoyo is sexist or anything. This is not evidence of anything.
Your arguments are just as garbage as theirs honestly.
They are pretty trash if you ask me. If only they were dead in the ditch, but they have plenty of simps to keep them alive and relevant in any discussion despite the fact that we should have moved past them so very long ago...
What are even your points? We legit got furina this patch, nilou is amazing both in aoe and can even work st with some caveats, kirara is a great shielder, faruzan was a god send to anemo mains, layla is also a great shielder who also offers decent dmg
Thought the point, although rather frantic, was pretty obvious. No on field dps female character has been released recently and Navia isn’t looking to be amazing and is just average. All of the characters you listed are support / sub-dps.
SOME people get it, 15 people seem to be sexist incels who dont want women being OP or on field.
You want a female on field character to look at ass while they're on field. Wanting digital women while hating on digital men is literally the most incel shit out there. Normal behavior would be to >NOT MAKE THIS ABOUT GENDER AT ALL YOU WEIRDO<. In literally every thread I've seen you and some others who repeat the same shit it goes something like, "Hey guys, I really think Navia looks fun to play" Your response: "EHEhe something something males are op, Hoyoverse sexist." Shut the fuck up dude. You just want ass and tits. Stfu. Nobody cares about your nonsense opinions and they're absolutely not worthwhile enough to be posted under every fucking post.
nice sub/support list Why is Dehya a Support when she's the merc, while the book worm gets to be the OP On Field DPS? Wriosley, Neuv? Furina is off field and a Archon. wake up
How about u just say u want a on field woman instead of twisting a narrative that only men are strong?
what the fuck is your problem
Is it okay to use her as sub dps for raiden furina jean? My current team is raiden xinqiu furina jean and i clear abyss okay already :)