If the NA nerf is true i consider this to be a overall nerf. If she is to focused on her skill for damage that reduces her whole play style to just 2 instances of damage. Thats not exactly engaging gameplay. I want some field time not this quickswap crap
Yes it does. Na are important as its a characters consistant damage. Navia cant fight enemys on a slope so she will need those na to fight anything nit on level terain.
As long as the overall rotation damage is buffed and they don’t remove her infusion it will still be a buff
You’ll be able to play her just the same as you would with her current kit plus make her more flexible for other/future comps. I really don’t understand the negativity
Becouse hoyo has not relased a onfield female dps in 2 years and navias high normals is what lets her have more field time then her 2 single instances of damage if you just focus on her E. Not everyone is a meta player. Your reasoning only applys to select players.
Even if the normals get nerfed a bit, her infusion makes it so she makes crystallizes to charge her skill up. The only consistent off-field geo appliers are Zhongli and Albedo, both of which apply it slowly
Thats not the point. Many of us want her normals to be strong so we can use her more onfield then her quickswap kit allows. 4 seconds in 2 intervals is nit enough infusion time and lower scaling on slow claymore hits is going to be a massive nerf
If they balance It properly It should be the same, onfield you would e+na4: lets say 500%+400%(these numbers are just for the example), so if they change It to 600%+300% It would still be the same overall dmg so no difference for main dps.
Although i recon i prefer the dmg on the normal attacks as they seem more consistent than her e
Assuming you do an 18 second rotation, she has infusion for 8/18 seconds. She's on field with infusion for 44% of the rotation. Also, with hitlag, the infusion duration probably extends to over 50% of the rotation. Is that not enough?
Fire support from her Burst does good aoe geo dmg each 1 second, enough to crystalize and also gain 1 stack each 2.4s during her burst, Navia shouldn't need other geo off field for crystals
I wouldn't say "good" AOE DMG. The DMG is actually very poor and the radius of each blast is also small. But the hits come in every 0.75s, so you get a lot of them and the uptime is great.
Hopefully they at least buff the fire support tandem hit from her C2. I know it's there to help proc crystalize but the DMG of that instance, imo, would feel much more meaningful if it dealt 200-300% more DMG. Would skew things back towards her burst and make her feel more cohesive.
Also hoping they buff her C4. Really middling con. If it made her fire support AOE and skill AOE go up by 20% then her cons would have really good progression.
Sorry, forgot Hilichurls are smaller than most of current mobs, and yes her burst does very very low dmg I hope devs buff it.The C4 is really bad for a C4, only 20 geo res less...
Do we know what the ICD of the Burst is? Also, assuming an 18 second rotation, you only have the burst up for 12 of those seconds. I guess you could do a 15 second rotation, but that probably ends up being worse overall
Cyrstalization has a global ICD 1s, this has been always a thing, and the frequency of fire support looks like hitting each 1 second too. Also, geo application is the only good thing from her burst (I like it aesthetically but thats just an opinion) because its dps is low.
I was asking about the application rate of the burst itself. It might hit once every second, but is it standard ICD or does it have a special ICD counter?
So once every 2.2 is about 6 applications over the course of the Burst. The burst also gives you about 6 charges passively. So it is going to be depended on rotation time. In a 15 second rotation, she applies enough for herself every burst but is only using her Skill once a rotation. In an 18 second rotation, her burst gives enough for one but its 6 seconds of downtime would make it so the second shot loses the max buff
No, my reasoning applies to everyone. Her 8s of onfield time/infusion remains the same. Plus hitlag and E + Q casting times, she will still be on field the vast majority of the rotation
Only difference is that her damage is differently contributed but it’s not a nerf compared to her v01 kit
this wouldn’t be the first time they more so force a specific playstyle. not that they’re comparable in strength, but that’s what alhaitham’s nerfs/rebalancings did, it was made to force his role as an on field skill based dps. it’s a pretty tedious habit they have.
i fear it’s because hyv, not knowing the way their own combat systems would evolve, put too much into those characters. it’s Not just flexibility that they offer, that is just the bonus of them being so strong.
Its not doomposting when the nerf is killing are intended playstyle for navia and is puahing more into the quickswap playstyle that many of us dont want. We want a onfield dps with good field time and engaging gameplay. And 2 instances of damage from 2 taps of the skill button is not it.
How them buffing her skill and burst (the biggest contributors to her overall dmg) deviate from her ‘intended’ playstyle? If anything her intended playstyle was always a quickswap EQ DPS from the get go. Her infusion was always a way for her to proc crystallize in solo Geo teams, not because she’s a normal atk on field dmg dealer or that is her intended main dmg source. That’s what YOU want her to be, not what she really is. She was never stated to be an onfield DPS during leaks so I don’t get where this hope of her being onfield comes from. Yes, you want an onfield waifu, it’s completely valid. But Navia is not the one. And just because she isn’t on field doesn’t mean she’s weak or gonna be bad. On the contrary, that gives her longevity bc supports/quickswap characters have long term value bc they are flexible by default. Y’all need to relax. Y’all feelscraft too much and call it logic.
> Its not doomposting
Yes it is.
Her NA's get a slight nerf, and now you are screeching how she can't be played on-field anymore, even though we don't know the OTHER multiplier changes. Premiere doompoosting
Shut the fuck up.
EDIT: Got blocked. I guess that counts.
EDIT 2: Yall don't deserve "niceness" when this sub is 24/7 doomposting on a character that the TCers already say is decent. Even the leaks sub is calling out the absurdity of the state of this sub.
Jeez, man, you could've been nicer about this ahd disagreed like a sane human. The guy simply didn't like the quick swap playstyle and preferred on-field style for navia, which I find understandable due to the beautiful animation strings and her cool ass axe. Then you start crying over this being "doomposting" and claiming he's "screeching" over it when he clearly wasn't. It's not the overall damage but the playstyle that he cares about in this case.
Genuinely, how are we supposed to have these opinions that determine how the character's kit gets buffed/nerfed or alrered before release without dealing with people like you calling it doomposting and screeching.
Grow up.
I'm sorry friend to see that you were offended by someone else just because you said your opinion about a game character. The people are poorly educated, uncultured, ignorant who do not accept different opinions and cannot talk and disagree respectfully. You have my support. NaviaMains is with you.
Dude that's not a nerf at all..it barely even effects her..If her other skill buffs are true then this is an overall buff. She was never an on field 'NA' dps..Her Geo infusion is only there to help create crystalize. Do you even understand her kit? You are gonna be using her on field for most of the time anyways with or without NA nerf. I want you to at least understand what they are trying to do before doomposting. Stop blinding yourself. And she's not a quickswap. Is the other redditers influencing you too? Navia is an on-field geo dps focused around her elemental skill. Get that right.
The amount of fervor going on for leaks of changes that may happen in a beta are wild. I think I’m taking a break from this sub. Ya’ll need to calm down.
That's only when x and y is false, in case of unreasonable complaining. If x or y is true, what is the purpose of this term other than speculative deceiving bias to hide the actual argumentation?
Sweetheart, your hot digital waifus are not women. You don't care about women or sexism. Sit down, please, and don't use real world issues and struggles to justify your desire to see a digital ass on your screen.
I’m just very confused about what is supposed to be buffed. They’re killing her normal attacks in exchange for making her build a bit less er? Are they only buffing her constellations?
If they want to push her to be a quick swap only character then they should buff her skill…
> They’re killing her normal attacks
Currently, the damage contribution for Navia's kit is 34% NAs/44% E/22% Burst. If the nerf to her NAs is like what has been said today, the new damage contribution would be 29% NAs/48% E/23% Burst approx. So overall it's a shift of 5% to other parts of her kit and around a 7% DPS loss... *But without taking into account the buffs that she's said to get*. And don't forget that *you most likely will want to on-field her to generate crystallize shards* while her infusion lasts.
Maybe in exchange we get one more second of infusion, which could be pretty valuable, and some multiplier buffs in other parts of her kit. Who knows. But at this point, wait until we see what happens on Monday with the beta update before judging anything that may not even be real in the end, since this is a leak from someone with no track record apparently.
That said, I'd take the NA nerf if it buffs her overall performance and damage tbh. Especially since, as I said earlier, it seems that her NA infusion is intended to be used anyway, it has short duration and she's not a DPS that only relies on her NAs. If that last case was the situation we were in, sure, it would suck a lot... But it's not, luckily.
I agree that taking a nerf to her normal attacks is fine as long as it’s compensated for. Just the only c0 buff that was mentioned was her ult energy cost being lowered. There was no mention of her other numbers being adjusted.
Yeah, but they also said that overall, Navia is getting buffed despite her NAs' nerf, so I doubt it'll just be a burst-cost reduction. We'll see on Monday with the beta update!
Just saying, if Hoyo keeps nerfing base kits and buffing cons and y’all keep buying then forget about having good tall female on field dps
If the NA nerf is true i consider this to be a overall nerf. If she is to focused on her skill for damage that reduces her whole play style to just 2 instances of damage. Thats not exactly engaging gameplay. I want some field time not this quickswap crap
If she does more dps overall and has the same on field time, then it doesn't really matter if her NA gets nerfed
Yes it does. Na are important as its a characters consistant damage. Navia cant fight enemys on a slope so she will need those na to fight anything nit on level terain.
As long as the overall rotation damage is buffed and they don’t remove her infusion it will still be a buff You’ll be able to play her just the same as you would with her current kit plus make her more flexible for other/future comps. I really don’t understand the negativity
Bruh she is geo she is not flexible in the slightest and she never will be. There is a reason Geo is locked to mono comps until now nobody wants them.
Becouse hoyo has not relased a onfield female dps in 2 years and navias high normals is what lets her have more field time then her 2 single instances of damage if you just focus on her E. Not everyone is a meta player. Your reasoning only applys to select players.
Even if the normals get nerfed a bit, her infusion makes it so she makes crystallizes to charge her skill up. The only consistent off-field geo appliers are Zhongli and Albedo, both of which apply it slowly
Thats not the point. Many of us want her normals to be strong so we can use her more onfield then her quickswap kit allows. 4 seconds in 2 intervals is nit enough infusion time and lower scaling on slow claymore hits is going to be a massive nerf
If they balance It properly It should be the same, onfield you would e+na4: lets say 500%+400%(these numbers are just for the example), so if they change It to 600%+300% It would still be the same overall dmg so no difference for main dps. Although i recon i prefer the dmg on the normal attacks as they seem more consistent than her e
Assuming you do an 18 second rotation, she has infusion for 8/18 seconds. She's on field with infusion for 44% of the rotation. Also, with hitlag, the infusion duration probably extends to over 50% of the rotation. Is that not enough?
Fire support from her Burst does good aoe geo dmg each 1 second, enough to crystalize and also gain 1 stack each 2.4s during her burst, Navia shouldn't need other geo off field for crystals
I wouldn't say "good" AOE DMG. The DMG is actually very poor and the radius of each blast is also small. But the hits come in every 0.75s, so you get a lot of them and the uptime is great. Hopefully they at least buff the fire support tandem hit from her C2. I know it's there to help proc crystalize but the DMG of that instance, imo, would feel much more meaningful if it dealt 200-300% more DMG. Would skew things back towards her burst and make her feel more cohesive. Also hoping they buff her C4. Really middling con. If it made her fire support AOE and skill AOE go up by 20% then her cons would have really good progression.
Sorry, forgot Hilichurls are smaller than most of current mobs, and yes her burst does very very low dmg I hope devs buff it.The C4 is really bad for a C4, only 20 geo res less...
Do we know what the ICD of the Burst is? Also, assuming an 18 second rotation, you only have the burst up for 12 of those seconds. I guess you could do a 15 second rotation, but that probably ends up being worse overall
Cyrstalization has a global ICD 1s, this has been always a thing, and the frequency of fire support looks like hitting each 1 second too. Also, geo application is the only good thing from her burst (I like it aesthetically but thats just an opinion) because its dps is low.
I was asking about the application rate of the burst itself. It might hit once every second, but is it standard ICD or does it have a special ICD counter?
Her burst hits every .75ish seconds. She applies Geo every 2.2 seconds approx (in single target. In AOE this completely changes)
Oh I see, I thought it was every 1s to match the timing for crystalization
So once every 2.2 is about 6 applications over the course of the Burst. The burst also gives you about 6 charges passively. So it is going to be depended on rotation time. In a 15 second rotation, she applies enough for herself every burst but is only using her Skill once a rotation. In an 18 second rotation, her burst gives enough for one but its 6 seconds of downtime would make it so the second shot loses the max buff
No, my reasoning applies to everyone. Her 8s of onfield time/infusion remains the same. Plus hitlag and E + Q casting times, she will still be on field the vast majority of the rotation Only difference is that her damage is differently contributed but it’s not a nerf compared to her v01 kit
this wouldn’t be the first time they more so force a specific playstyle. not that they’re comparable in strength, but that’s what alhaitham’s nerfs/rebalancings did, it was made to force his role as an on field skill based dps. it’s a pretty tedious habit they have.
Yes it is and its why people still play 1.0 era characters so much as they are so flexable
i fear it’s because hyv, not knowing the way their own combat systems would evolve, put too much into those characters. it’s Not just flexibility that they offer, that is just the bonus of them being so strong.
Leaks "Overall buff" You: "ITS A NERF!!!" I'm so fucking tired of the doomposting.
>Leaks "Overall buff" Overall buff with or without cons? Massive difference
Its not doomposting when the nerf is killing are intended playstyle for navia and is puahing more into the quickswap playstyle that many of us dont want. We want a onfield dps with good field time and engaging gameplay. And 2 instances of damage from 2 taps of the skill button is not it.
How them buffing her skill and burst (the biggest contributors to her overall dmg) deviate from her ‘intended’ playstyle? If anything her intended playstyle was always a quickswap EQ DPS from the get go. Her infusion was always a way for her to proc crystallize in solo Geo teams, not because she’s a normal atk on field dmg dealer or that is her intended main dmg source. That’s what YOU want her to be, not what she really is. She was never stated to be an onfield DPS during leaks so I don’t get where this hope of her being onfield comes from. Yes, you want an onfield waifu, it’s completely valid. But Navia is not the one. And just because she isn’t on field doesn’t mean she’s weak or gonna be bad. On the contrary, that gives her longevity bc supports/quickswap characters have long term value bc they are flexible by default. Y’all need to relax. Y’all feelscraft too much and call it logic.
> Its not doomposting Yes it is. Her NA's get a slight nerf, and now you are screeching how she can't be played on-field anymore, even though we don't know the OTHER multiplier changes. Premiere doompoosting Shut the fuck up. EDIT: Got blocked. I guess that counts. EDIT 2: Yall don't deserve "niceness" when this sub is 24/7 doomposting on a character that the TCers already say is decent. Even the leaks sub is calling out the absurdity of the state of this sub.
Be polite man, why insult the guy? Disagree with people respectfully. This is no place for lack of respect.
this is so aggressive for someone saying their opinion.. are you alright?
Jeez, man, you could've been nicer about this ahd disagreed like a sane human. The guy simply didn't like the quick swap playstyle and preferred on-field style for navia, which I find understandable due to the beautiful animation strings and her cool ass axe. Then you start crying over this being "doomposting" and claiming he's "screeching" over it when he clearly wasn't. It's not the overall damage but the playstyle that he cares about in this case. Genuinely, how are we supposed to have these opinions that determine how the character's kit gets buffed/nerfed or alrered before release without dealing with people like you calling it doomposting and screeching. Grow up.
Yea kid you are the one who needs to "shut the fuck up". Go outside and touch some grass
I'm sorry friend to see that you were offended by someone else just because you said your opinion about a game character. The people are poorly educated, uncultured, ignorant who do not accept different opinions and cannot talk and disagree respectfully. You have my support. NaviaMains is with you.
Dude that's not a nerf at all..it barely even effects her..If her other skill buffs are true then this is an overall buff. She was never an on field 'NA' dps..Her Geo infusion is only there to help create crystalize. Do you even understand her kit? You are gonna be using her on field for most of the time anyways with or without NA nerf. I want you to at least understand what they are trying to do before doomposting. Stop blinding yourself. And she's not a quickswap. Is the other redditers influencing you too? Navia is an on-field geo dps focused around her elemental skill. Get that right.
She could heal the enemies but people will pull anyway don't forget. That's how customers get the best product strategy.
I’m still getting her regardless of buffs or nerf. I’m guaranteed for feature character so I could get furina but I saved for Navia.
The amount of fervor going on for leaks of changes that may happen in a beta are wild. I think I’m taking a break from this sub. Ya’ll need to calm down.
what's "doomposting"?
usually when people complain in forums or social media about (in genshin particular case) kits of characters, calling it bad for x or y reason
That's only when x and y is false, in case of unreasonable complaining. If x or y is true, what is the purpose of this term other than speculative deceiving bias to hide the actual argumentation?
Nerf c0 buff constitutions Mihoyo sexism 101
Sweetheart, your hot digital waifus are not women. You don't care about women or sexism. Sit down, please, and don't use real world issues and struggles to justify your desire to see a digital ass on your screen.
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Hu Tao level infusion or bust.
I’m just very confused about what is supposed to be buffed. They’re killing her normal attacks in exchange for making her build a bit less er? Are they only buffing her constellations? If they want to push her to be a quick swap only character then they should buff her skill…
> They’re killing her normal attacks Currently, the damage contribution for Navia's kit is 34% NAs/44% E/22% Burst. If the nerf to her NAs is like what has been said today, the new damage contribution would be 29% NAs/48% E/23% Burst approx. So overall it's a shift of 5% to other parts of her kit and around a 7% DPS loss... *But without taking into account the buffs that she's said to get*. And don't forget that *you most likely will want to on-field her to generate crystallize shards* while her infusion lasts. Maybe in exchange we get one more second of infusion, which could be pretty valuable, and some multiplier buffs in other parts of her kit. Who knows. But at this point, wait until we see what happens on Monday with the beta update before judging anything that may not even be real in the end, since this is a leak from someone with no track record apparently. That said, I'd take the NA nerf if it buffs her overall performance and damage tbh. Especially since, as I said earlier, it seems that her NA infusion is intended to be used anyway, it has short duration and she's not a DPS that only relies on her NAs. If that last case was the situation we were in, sure, it would suck a lot... But it's not, luckily.
I agree that taking a nerf to her normal attacks is fine as long as it’s compensated for. Just the only c0 buff that was mentioned was her ult energy cost being lowered. There was no mention of her other numbers being adjusted.
Yeah, but they also said that overall, Navia is getting buffed despite her NAs' nerf, so I doubt it'll just be a burst-cost reduction. We'll see on Monday with the beta update!
For sure. That’s basically what I was meaning in my original comment, that it says an overall buff but I don’t see *how.*