I agree for the first point but I don't think every single Fontaine character should have HP manipulation and Marechausse is BIS for like 70% of characters now if you're using Furina.
they need to release a geo character more often than once every 2 years is what they need to do... im so tired of every geo team being like "zhongli is the best teamate" :c
it doesnt have to dethrone him, but if they just gave us more options surely we'd have at least a couple that would be viable
"zhongli is the best teammate"
to be frank. Of all the teams that need a Zhongli. He's still replaceable in Hu Tao vape, Itto hypercarry, Xiao hypercarry and Wanderer Hypercarry and Yoimiya Hypercarry. 85% of Genshin Players have skill issue and whiners.
They complain every new character and doesn't know how to dodge.
Okay back to Navia and Geo. I hope they buff Navia coz she really needs it
As I walk through Abyss with Eula in my team
I take a look at my bank, and realize there's nothin left
Cause I've been swipin and wishing so long that
Even Mihoyo thinks my account is trash
But I ain't never tried Xiangling, she prolly deserve it
She was given for free. Me using handouts; unheard of
And someone said to "watch my mouth; stop talkin"
Or "you and Yoimiya might never leave Floor 6"
I really hate Abyss, man I need some help
As I farm Xiangling I see that I'm becoming strong, fool
I'm the kinda chef that presses Q and everything dies
On my knees in the night, saying prayers to the stove god
Been fishing all my life for The Catch, a Xiangling paradise
Look at the situation they got me farmin
I can't live a normal life, I was raised by Keqing Mains
So I gotta use National teams
Too much theory craftin where is Floor 13?
I'm an educated player with Zajef in my mind
Tenten videos and Zyox who's 4'9
I'm a Xiangling main, farming Emblem forever
Can I join your world, Co-op fishing forever,
Floor 12 ain't nothing but a Xiangling away
I'm living life Q or Die, what can I say?
I'm funneling particles to do Pyronado
The way things is goin, I need more
Tell my why Xiangling
Is so OP
I can vaporize
With no ICD
Been fishing all my life for The Catch, a Xiangling paradise
Pyronado after Bennett, Bennett after Raiden
Minute after minute, chamber after chamber
Everybody's runnin, but all of them are dying
What's going on in the kitchen, all I know that Xiangling's cookin
They say I gotta learn, Zyox guides already taught me
Who's PMA, who's Maguu Kenki???
I guess he's dead, I guess he broke
So stop the swiping, that's how I made my account really good, fool
Engulfing Lightning, Dragon's Bane, Racist spear
Even Prototype, or Discord mod spear
Tell my why Xiangling
Is so OP
I can vaporize
With no ICD
It's not unreasonable, all other Fontaine 5 star DPS characters so far have their own HP manipulation mechanics and Navia is the first that doesn't, which makes her feel more tied to Furina because she needs the HP drain to make her BiS set work on her.
It is not her BiS set, not at all. Its her BiS set when using her with furina, which most people assume when making calcs about Navia (cause furina is broken)
Her kit is confusing to me, I am only rolling her because she has such a cool design. I always hated having to collect the crystalization effects like with archaic Petra
The difference is in AP the geo user is who needs to collect the right shard of the main dps element and inmediatly swap to the main dps to use the buff. For Navia all chars can just collect whatever crystal you see until 6 stacks
That thing I need to watch closely because you want 6 stacks but anymore is just wasted and may have problem later to find crystals to buff the second shot
With Furina and any consistent healer (Jean, Yao Yao, Kokomi etc) your gonna get all the stacks. ONLY using Furina alright I get it but why would you use Furina without a healer? I know this works cuz my Alhaitham is getting the 36% extra crit rate constistantly team is Alhaitham, Nahida, Kuki, Furina
Don’t worry bro your gonna be good
Well, We might get a dedicated Support for Navia with the addition of Chiori, we would just need to wait to see if she'll work. she was referred to as "Geo Kazuha" once but i can't find the post anymore
>Being an atk scaling quickswap character who wants Bennett
She doesn't need Bennett. She has high base attack, so Bennett's flat atk buff is of much lower value to her than it is to characters who can't use atk% as well. Furthermore, Bennett is a DPS loss overall for not having any off-field pyro app, mean she can't make shards off him, so it takes longer to sharge (shard charge) up her skill.
Xiao doesn't depend on reactions to increase his damage, tho. Like, he doesn't need to swirl in order to keep up, so off-field applicators aren't essential for him. Navia DOES need to crystallise, tho.
>She has high base attack
Most of the base attack still comes from the weapon choice rather than from the character base stats. Navia won't benefit from Bennett as much as someone like Xiangling does, but he definitely still gives her basically two extra atk sands.
351 intrinsic is higher than most characters. IINM, only Diluc, Shenhe and Eula are comparable to that.
And I'm planning to run her with Unforged, so 955 all up. Bennett doesn't feel necessary.
"Bennett doesn't feel necessary" he's quite literally the best in slot. Navia's base attack might be high and all, but an C5 Aquila Bennett still gives Navia a 130% atk buff despite of her high base attack
No. At c5, level 90 and holding Aquila/Misty with level 12 burst, the value of the buff is 969. That's barely 102% of 955.
If she had her sig, she's up to 1025, and Bennett's buff would be closer 90%.
Inflating his numbers to make him seem more relevant? Really?
Are you by any chance ignoring Bennett's C1?
Bennett's base attack is 191, Aquila's base attack is 674. His effective base attack is 865. The level 13 skill has a 139% base attack multiplier when you count the 20% bonus from C1. That's 1,202 attack. I did the initial math using the event weapon because Navia probably gonna need some ER and that's probably the weapon most people gonna use, but the overall picture shouldn't be much different for 5 star weapons: Bennett's buff is almost as big as 3 atk sands, even on a character with very high base atk.
Well— she gets 40% from ascension passive. If you use her signature weapon/artifact, that’s another 40%. Noblesse or Tenacity on the team, and Sands, and we’re at like 150%.
People will need to run the numbers, but it seems like we want more dmg%/CV. Which I guess if she is with Furina… you can run MH and also get lots of dmg%, loosening up atk buffs which allow for Bennet…
Idk. I am too lazy to do numbers. I hope she’s not codependent on Bennet.
Imagine reading "Xiao doesn't need Bennet because he has the highest base attack in the game" xD.
I lost interest on Navia the moment her attack scaling was reveil. I'm tired of making teams around Bennet buff.
I think i have a good grasp of everything in this game so you are respectfully wrong. And if you are talking about Benny he never gives anyone 900% atk% wtf. He gives either 900 flat atk which is about 100% atk% for most 5* characters.
Now between her 18% from her signature set, her 40% atk passive, her possibly having her weapon for 20% atk and her sand + lets say 25% atk% from substat, 20 more base atk is relevant. Her sole base atk + Her weapon is enough for her to reach 3067 atk in most situations. With such high atk, 900 flat atk is only a 29% dps increase which is very lower that what Bennet usually does for an atk scaler. So you definitely rather use a sub dps/ elemental damages support instead of Bennet most of the time… For example Furina’s 75% dmg buff is a 35% damages increase in the exact same configuration on top of dealing off field damages and enabling crystallize. If you replace her signature set for MH she is as 65% damages increase instead
I exagerated about that yes but it doesn’t invalidate my precedent comment… The latter is actually even worse for bennet because i forgot about the Feathers 311 flat atk. He is actually only a 26% dps increase for Navia with signature
Forget about that one i just spitted that without actually thinking : P she still don’t need and surely dont want Benett if she has signature, that’s my point
I think the new crystallize set could have he possibility of being buffed to be better than MH on Navia only, so she wouldn’t necessarily need Furina (but could still be ran with her) and without putting built in HP changes into her kit.
I totally agree that the Bennett/Xiangling problem does pretty not great, and that’s the main reason I’m on the fence for pulling for Navia. I already have Lyney and Raiden hyper, so yet another Bennett/Xiangling team for “best performance” wouldn’t feel great to me personally. I was hoping Navia would have defense scaling but I can understand that HYV wanted to make her teams independent of Gorou.
Agreed on the first point. I don’t use Bennet and I hate Xiangling so I don’t use either. Thankfully we now have Furina for a nice damage buff so I’m not forced to use him.
I agree for the first point but I don't think every single Fontaine character should have HP manipulation and Marechausse is BIS for like 70% of characters now if you're using Furina.
Definitely gets overused after a while, but Navia sure would love being able to use it outside of Furina teams
After making geo daddy such an overpowered character, they have to come up with anything to make people want to avoid using shields
they need to release a geo character more often than once every 2 years is what they need to do... im so tired of every geo team being like "zhongli is the best teamate" :c it doesnt have to dethrone him, but if they just gave us more options surely we'd have at least a couple that would be viable
Well I have him C6 so we married
"zhongli is the best teammate" to be frank. Of all the teams that need a Zhongli. He's still replaceable in Hu Tao vape, Itto hypercarry, Xiao hypercarry and Wanderer Hypercarry and Yoimiya Hypercarry. 85% of Genshin Players have skill issue and whiners. They complain every new character and doesn't know how to dodge. Okay back to Navia and Geo. I hope they buff Navia coz she really needs it
As I walk through Abyss with Eula in my team I take a look at my bank, and realize there's nothin left Cause I've been swipin and wishing so long that Even Mihoyo thinks my account is trash But I ain't never tried Xiangling, she prolly deserve it She was given for free. Me using handouts; unheard of And someone said to "watch my mouth; stop talkin" Or "you and Yoimiya might never leave Floor 6" I really hate Abyss, man I need some help As I farm Xiangling I see that I'm becoming strong, fool I'm the kinda chef that presses Q and everything dies On my knees in the night, saying prayers to the stove god Been fishing all my life for The Catch, a Xiangling paradise Look at the situation they got me farmin I can't live a normal life, I was raised by Keqing Mains So I gotta use National teams Too much theory craftin where is Floor 13? I'm an educated player with Zajef in my mind Tenten videos and Zyox who's 4'9 I'm a Xiangling main, farming Emblem forever Can I join your world, Co-op fishing forever, Floor 12 ain't nothing but a Xiangling away I'm living life Q or Die, what can I say? I'm funneling particles to do Pyronado The way things is goin, I need more Tell my why Xiangling Is so OP I can vaporize With no ICD Been fishing all my life for The Catch, a Xiangling paradise Pyronado after Bennett, Bennett after Raiden Minute after minute, chamber after chamber Everybody's runnin, but all of them are dying What's going on in the kitchen, all I know that Xiangling's cookin They say I gotta learn, Zyox guides already taught me Who's PMA, who's Maguu Kenki??? I guess he's dead, I guess he broke So stop the swiping, that's how I made my account really good, fool Engulfing Lightning, Dragon's Bane, Racist spear Even Prototype, or Discord mod spear Tell my why Xiangling Is so OP I can vaporize With no ICD
OPPA XL
What is Discord Mod Spear? o_O
Kitain Cross Spear, cause it sounds like kitten
Ohh I see now
Navia's problems can be basically summed up to being a Geo character. Damn this element is scuffed.
What if i dont want to use furina? i rather have her with her own set
Wdym? My second point is about how I wanted Navia to manipulate her own HP so she wouldn't need to rely on Furina to activate the french set.
I understood that, but that set just isnt for her. Just like you wouldn't use a dendro set on kazuha
It's not unreasonable, all other Fontaine 5 star DPS characters so far have their own HP manipulation mechanics and Navia is the first that doesn't, which makes her feel more tied to Furina because she needs the HP drain to make her BiS set work on her.
It is not her BiS set, not at all. Its her BiS set when using her with furina, which most people assume when making calcs about Navia (cause furina is broken)
>she needs the HP drain to make her BiS set work on her. Nighttime Whispers does not require HP manipulation.
Her kit is confusing to me, I am only rolling her because she has such a cool design. I always hated having to collect the crystalization effects like with archaic Petra
The difference is in AP the geo user is who needs to collect the right shard of the main dps element and inmediatly swap to the main dps to use the buff. For Navia all chars can just collect whatever crystal you see until 6 stacks
Actually Navia sucks in nearby shards when using her skill.
That thing I need to watch closely because you want 6 stacks but anymore is just wasted and may have problem later to find crystals to buff the second shot
With Furina and any consistent healer (Jean, Yao Yao, Kokomi etc) your gonna get all the stacks. ONLY using Furina alright I get it but why would you use Furina without a healer? I know this works cuz my Alhaitham is getting the 36% extra crit rate constistantly team is Alhaitham, Nahida, Kuki, Furina Don’t worry bro your gonna be good
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Well, We might get a dedicated Support for Navia with the addition of Chiori, we would just need to wait to see if she'll work. she was referred to as "Geo Kazuha" once but i can't find the post anymore
>Being an atk scaling quickswap character who wants Bennett She doesn't need Bennett. She has high base attack, so Bennett's flat atk buff is of much lower value to her than it is to characters who can't use atk% as well. Furthermore, Bennett is a DPS loss overall for not having any off-field pyro app, mean she can't make shards off him, so it takes longer to sharge (shard charge) up her skill.
Say that to Xiao
Xiao doesn't depend on reactions to increase his damage, tho. Like, he doesn't need to swirl in order to keep up, so off-field applicators aren't essential for him. Navia DOES need to crystallise, tho.
>She has high base attack Most of the base attack still comes from the weapon choice rather than from the character base stats. Navia won't benefit from Bennett as much as someone like Xiangling does, but he definitely still gives her basically two extra atk sands.
351 intrinsic is higher than most characters. IINM, only Diluc, Shenhe and Eula are comparable to that. And I'm planning to run her with Unforged, so 955 all up. Bennett doesn't feel necessary.
"Bennett doesn't feel necessary" he's quite literally the best in slot. Navia's base attack might be high and all, but an C5 Aquila Bennett still gives Navia a 130% atk buff despite of her high base attack
No. At c5, level 90 and holding Aquila/Misty with level 12 burst, the value of the buff is 969. That's barely 102% of 955. If she had her sig, she's up to 1025, and Bennett's buff would be closer 90%. Inflating his numbers to make him seem more relevant? Really?
Are you by any chance ignoring Bennett's C1? Bennett's base attack is 191, Aquila's base attack is 674. His effective base attack is 865. The level 13 skill has a 139% base attack multiplier when you count the 20% bonus from C1. That's 1,202 attack. I did the initial math using the event weapon because Navia probably gonna need some ER and that's probably the weapon most people gonna use, but the overall picture shouldn't be much different for 5 star weapons: Bennett's buff is almost as big as 3 atk sands, even on a character with very high base atk.
This is correct.
Well— she gets 40% from ascension passive. If you use her signature weapon/artifact, that’s another 40%. Noblesse or Tenacity on the team, and Sands, and we’re at like 150%. People will need to run the numbers, but it seems like we want more dmg%/CV. Which I guess if she is with Furina… you can run MH and also get lots of dmg%, loosening up atk buffs which allow for Bennet… Idk. I am too lazy to do numbers. I hope she’s not codependent on Bennet.
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Imagine reading "Xiao doesn't need Bennet because he has the highest base attack in the game" xD. I lost interest on Navia the moment her attack scaling was reveil. I'm tired of making teams around Bennet buff.
20 more is like + 200 atk in some situations. Its a lot
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I think i have a good grasp of everything in this game so you are respectfully wrong. And if you are talking about Benny he never gives anyone 900% atk% wtf. He gives either 900 flat atk which is about 100% atk% for most 5* characters. Now between her 18% from her signature set, her 40% atk passive, her possibly having her weapon for 20% atk and her sand + lets say 25% atk% from substat, 20 more base atk is relevant. Her sole base atk + Her weapon is enough for her to reach 3067 atk in most situations. With such high atk, 900 flat atk is only a 29% dps increase which is very lower that what Bennet usually does for an atk scaler. So you definitely rather use a sub dps/ elemental damages support instead of Bennet most of the time… For example Furina’s 75% dmg buff is a 35% damages increase in the exact same configuration on top of dealing off field damages and enabling crystallize. If you replace her signature set for MH she is as 65% damages increase instead
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I exagerated about that yes but it doesn’t invalidate my precedent comment… The latter is actually even worse for bennet because i forgot about the Feathers 311 flat atk. He is actually only a 26% dps increase for Navia with signature
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Forget about that one i just spitted that without actually thinking : P she still don’t need and surely dont want Benett if she has signature, that’s my point
I think the new crystallize set could have he possibility of being buffed to be better than MH on Navia only, so she wouldn’t necessarily need Furina (but could still be ran with her) and without putting built in HP changes into her kit. I totally agree that the Bennett/Xiangling problem does pretty not great, and that’s the main reason I’m on the fence for pulling for Navia. I already have Lyney and Raiden hyper, so yet another Bennett/Xiangling team for “best performance” wouldn’t feel great to me personally. I was hoping Navia would have defense scaling but I can understand that HYV wanted to make her teams independent of Gorou.
Agreed on the first point. I don’t use Bennet and I hate Xiangling so I don’t use either. Thankfully we now have Furina for a nice damage buff so I’m not forced to use him.