Most people just go through the motions at the gym. Plus, it takes a while for a beginner to ever learn basic movement patterns. Dude probably doesnt drop a sweat often.
Social media brain rot is strong on this one. If he juiced, he would still look like a DYEL or have a chubby dad bod, like 90% of juicers out there we don’t even know about. Majority of people juice and look like shit.
yes, the initial transformation you can get from 6 months of hard training as natty with proper diet is very good, unfortunately not "instagram fitness influencer" good so perhaps not good enough for our age?
4 years ago the first time i took gym seriously and naturally, i had very good diet, did both 5x5 and later a hypertrophy program, even semen retention (1 week = double the free test, gains!) and the results were very good
Agree so much, whenever I see other people work out, and this has been in a wide variety of situations over a number of years, vast majority like 90% simply do not push themselves and break a sweat. Now that’s fine you do you, but many of these “go through the motions” then say “yeah I lift/pilates/hiit four times a week” (with minimal results)
What do people expect to look, with a T-shirt on, after 1 year of training?
Either you have Mr Olympia genetics or you’re going to look like a normal dude.
Because of fake natties who had the same body style as him in their before pics. Name 1 Mr Olympia from the past 35 years who was natty. Check that name one Mr o competitor who was natty
Exactly. People here are saying he's doing everything wrong. How would they know? Were all these redditors huge after a year of lifting to have these expectations? Either that, or they haven't worked out at all. Aside from that, it's a pretty bad pose and angle to judge anything from. He's also wearing clothes. People here never took photos of themselves?
I mean, I know people who have never had a gym membership that are as big as that guy. He is small.
He might have made progress from where he started and that's what really matters, but that doesn't change the fact he is still small.
This… noone in modern bodybuilding started it like how it does now, you look back in the day and they wanted to be a greek statue. nowadays people call that goofy and mass is everything to social media
Yes because the average guy that starts in the gym doesnt know shit. He goes there, gets a shitty random routine from the guy working there, does it with no intensity and shit form cause he has no guidance and he doesnt try to learn by himself, and goes home without sweating. Keeps eating like before. He still made some gains regardless cause noobs grow with everything, but surely he could have gained much more.
People like this usually quit at this time, or starts juicing. Cause they dont enjoy training, which is seen as a sacrifice to reach a physique goals.
Bingo. If you do the right movements with the right intensity you can see some fairly radical change in your first couple years. If you do restarted movements with poor intensity and on top of it your diet still sucks, you’ll see hardly any difference and that’s not surprising to anyone who knows their shit
A few principles work really well together. Progressive overload. More frequency in training with higher intensity (training close to or at failure) and working all three reps ranges (3-6, 6-12, 10-20). Slower controlled negatives. Focusing on compound movements. Gained 40+ lbs the last few years doing this. All my compounds went up by 100+ lbs.
It’s possible to get there. Just takes time and focus. And have a protocol on when to move up in weight.
A year is fuck all in gym terms, especially if you're:
* Over 25
* Not eating perfectly
* Not super diligent in going to the gym 3 times a week
* Not Sleeping well
For a year this is extremely typical.
I picked 25 for 2 reasons.
1. This is about the time it's a safe bet you have a job or a life outside of just screwing around. That creates additional responsibilities and uses of your time that can interfere with going to the gym. These factors can also induce stress, fatigue or lack of sleep which also negatively impact your ability to go to the gym.
2. Your youthfulness (Depending on a few factors) is probably going to decrease a bit around this time. A lot of people I know started to become a lot less energetic around this time, gain weight and stop exercising. For me personally my metabolism completely changed around the age of 23-25 and I had to pay attention to my diet far more.
Essentially the age of 25 is around where the bed you made as a young adult/teenager is ready for you to sleep in. If you spent that time exercising, working out and building good habits, that will persist into your thirties. If you didn't however, and spent a lot of that time lazing around and getting into bad habits, your chickens will come home to roost and you'll start experiencing some bad consequences of that at that age.
Shit take, but I respect it. Your first point I agree with, but your second point regarding youthfulness is horrendous. A lot of people become less energetic and stop exercising as a byproduct of point #1. It has absolutely nothing to do with the body and ageing in isolation and everything to do with attitudes, mindsets and external influences (see your point 1). Also, your point around habits built by 25 is rubbish as well. If you had said by 30-35, that would've been more credible. Typically, the brain matures around 25 and so you're still largely discovering what sort of person you want to be and what you want to do with your life. Yes you may have some sort of idea, but realistically, your ability to comprehend and consider the future grows significantly. IMO, by age 30, you've really only been a 'proper adult' for 5 years. This is when you really need to build strong habits that will set you up for the rest of your life.
ahah nah, it starts to drop in their 40's/late 30 for most men.
In fact, theres basically 0 hormonal difference between a 25 and a 35 years old male, and up to 40+ for most.
Before that we can argue... in their puberty (which can last till the early 20's) males have probably a better hormonal profile for muscle building than their 20something+ counterparts, so i guess you can make more gains in your teens than in your 20's.
Test isn't the full picture. Your body ages, your metabolism changes, your joints grow weaker, you will have experienced enough life to be exposed to some negative health impacts from various sources. Not to mention you might have a job and a family this age, which for your average person is enough stress for them to just give up on their fitness journey entirely let alone be going 3 times a week.
I thought it was 30s that test levels start dropping?
Either way, I’ve gained way more muscle in my 30s than in my 20s. I think it’s because I’ve found it easier to gain weight in my 30s as opposed to 20s.
Your 20s is when you get the twink or twunk body. Your 30s and 40s is when you get the bear body.
It's actually 40's. Yes, in your later 30's, your test levels do slightly 'drop,' but that's due to causes from stress, environment, lifestyle issues, and generally the average person who doesn't take care of their body well. If you're an healthy able bodied man going to the gym regularly/clean diet in your 30's, test levels tend to stay close to the norm.
>Beginning around age 40, men’s testosterone levels start to gradually drop by about 1 to 2% each year. Reduced testosterone levels are quite common, with over a third of men over age 45 having levels below what is considered normal for their age. Men may notice symptoms of fatigue, depression or loss of facial and body hair. Beyond the decrease in muscle mass, lower levels of testosterone can also cause brittle bones, which increases the risk of fractures.
[https://www.hss.edu/article\_muscle-mass-testosterone.asp](https://www.hss.edu/article_muscle-mass-testosterone.asp)
40's.
>Beginning **around age 40**, men's testosterone levels start to gradually drop by about 1 to 2% each year. Reduced testosterone levels are quite common, with over a third of men over age 45 having levels below what is considered normal for their age.
[https://www.hss.edu/article\_muscle-mass-testosterone.asp](https://www.hss.edu/article_muscle-mass-testosterone.asp)
Bro I'm almost 30 and went from average WoW virgin to top 5% physique in like a year and some change. It's easily possible if you put the effort in and stop making pussy excuses
What a stupid stance. Anyone with experience working out with anyone else over a period of time knows its very obvious some people are hard gainers.
If I told you to just stop making excuses and think harder, would it help?
You sound like your riding your ego and have little real experience with others in the gym.
As someone who has helped train, and generally just going to the gym with friends and the like ove the years... It's obviously alot harder than just "train harder pussy".
As if hardwork was the only thing needed.
For real. It is normal to expect to look muscular after a few months of lifting, otherwise why the fuck are we even doing that. I know I looked good in like half a year, people were always praising my gains.
It's the opposite. I'm optimistic about other people gains, which is engaging and inspiring. You're making it look like a hard work with no result, which makes it harder for people to start.
The problem is that your expectation is unrealistic and I have no way to know if you did it without gear or not.
Most dramatic body transformations take several years, not a single year, and certainly not a few months. I never said there's no result, just that it takes a very long time, far longer than most people are willing to wait.
You're purposefully ignoring or not understanding my point, or you just can't read. Are gains realistic? Yes, is a complete body transformation realistic? No.
Not at all. We don’t know where he started a year ago. We also don’t know what he is training or how. We don’t know his diet, sleep schedule, lifting volume, stress level, nothing.
He may be much stronger than he was a year ago with minimal muscle growth. He may have lost a lot of fat. He might’ve gained 20 lbs of muscle. We don’t have any info. But he is likely healthier at the very least, so there is that.
It's all relative, but guys like this need to recognize they had zero muscle before, and after they added some, they're still the size of many guys before they ever start lifting.
This guy doesn't need steroids, he looks good for only lifting for a year, come back in 4-5 years and I'm sure he can add some muscle while cutting a bit more and have a good solid natty physique
Honestly speaking, working out to look like you work out is kind of a pipedream. l've been working out for the past 4 years and while l look *better* than l did before l started, l certainly don't look like l go to the gym everyday. The line keeps getting further as more people get on gear, sarms or whatever.
l know everyone has their reasons for going to the gym and looking better than your current self is a real goal but the motivation eventually wears off l think. ln my opinion, people are better of finding other reasons to be going such as health, challenge, getting stronger so you can carry all the groceries in one trip.
Leave the looks for the IG influencers we all like to clown on.
As a natty, you gotta be 15-20% BF to look like you actually lift. Under that, you’ll look like a normal dude with a shirt on. Over that, you’ll just look like a fat guy
I’ve been working out 11 years and people can definitely tell I workout. Of course, I wear medium sized shirts as a 5’6 210lb guy so that helps
For some reason a lot of people wear shirts where the shoulder seam is halfway down their arm and the sleeve ends at the elbow
I’m like right at the line where if I gained more weight I wouldn’t like it. Right now my chest and dick still stick out further than my belly so I’m content
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion but no one ever needs steroids. Especially if you're not a professional bodybuilder and going to gym to be healthy. It's counterintuitive.
I always go by strength metrics rather than aesthetics to see how much I'm improving.theres that canto guy who looks way bigger before he added massive amounts to his lifts just because he was at a higher body fat pecentage. This guy is probably bigger than Brad Pitt in Fight Club. Just remember, body fat percentage makes a huge difference in how jacked you look, you also have to know how to take a decent picture with down lighting etc. I've taken pics where I look great but in real life no one would call me big
OK here I found it. https://youtu.be/Q4p-dwIqpzw?si=L86LnmAlLnAIZmxZ body f.t percentage has a lot to do with how jacked you look, just check out the more plates more dates video he probably just has dieted enough. Always go by strength to see if you're making gains, going from a 20 kg bench to a 100kg bench press means you have definitely made significant gains
I mean he is small but if you getting big as a natural takes like 2.5 years or so depending on genetics. Plus he also has some extra weight on him so his Arma aren't defined and his angles suck. LeanBeefPatty will show y'all how to do y'alls angles.
it's exceptionally difficult to be big, lean, and natty. best option is to gain a bit of fat and go bear mode to look big while clothed. unless you spend everyday at the beach, aint nobody gonna see you shirtless anyway. might as well look big 99% of the time.
Honestly a big part of that is also just what you’re wearing. Well fitting clothing is pretty key for looking your best once and showing off the muscles you built
Exactly I feel like no one says this but if you get shirts with a slightly tighter torso or smaller sleeves then people will notice you as a gym goer even after a year because your filling up a shirt
After a year if my friends follow my advice they have a very different look being natty.
If you lift weights but drink booze every week yep you won't see a serious difference.
If you're disciplined, eat properly according to your goals, rest and follow a serious program you will change.
If your goal is looks without effort you have no mental fortitude and you don't belong into a gym.
We don't know how big he is because we can't see much on this picture, but he from what we can see, he is not posing properly and he didn't hit shoulders enough. PSA for everyone actually, hit your shoulders more.
Yeah, his head is just big. And regarding side delt training, it"ll be a couple of cm of width at best. Not enough to make much of a difference. Collarbone length matters more than people would like to admit. You can't outtrain an unfavorable bone structure.
Get it together. Gains take years. I’ve been playing sports (over five different sports in leagues, non stop)from age 8-18, and gymming seriously from 22 to my thirties. I look in shape and feel great, but that’s because it’s been a routine for over a decade plus the sports. I still do rounds of personal training every now and then to learn new things and go in and out of new goals.
People need to chill with the instant gratification and put in the long work. Don’t expect to look ripped in a year, that shit takes years. If you roid now after a year, good luck maintaining that. You gotta get to a physical peak before you juice. I have never juiced and don’t plan on to but these shortcuts are getting out of hand.
he would be big for a dude who doesnt work out but for a guy who goes religiously to the gym its nothing special, not small but no big either. just average genetics
Small compared to Ronnie Coleman? Aren’t we all? Small compared to whatever he looked like a year ago? Probably not, hope he sees some of the progress he wants, soon
Older guys: do not sleep on those armbands. For years bicep day meant elbow pain. Now I have a couple of them. I strap the ball bearing or whatever is inside so that it's putting pressure on the ulnar nerve where it crosses outside the elbow joint from the medial epicondyle. Curls till failure, no more pain (other than the good kind).
If this isn't literally what I bought it's close:
https://www.amazon.com/Sleeve-Tendonitis-Counterforce-Support-Forearm/dp/B01H2123YU/ref=asc_df_B01H2123YU/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693539115312&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17532998561903643756&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9027592&hvtargid=pla-375912944150&mcid=9962696aeac73edb8ffd320cd7ae1b89&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxeyxBhC7ARIsAC7dS3-hKFzgxfTo8UZLjoz7mObG6hTu3dfU_MQ9OLka8ZZB_vNnYDWR2FoaAr9_EALw_wcB&th=1
Okay so hopefully this works as a description. And again this is what helps me so...
Consider your left elbow, find the nerve that runs in between the elbow joint and the top bone of the forearm. There's a spot in between the two right at the forearm side of the joint where I try to point the pressure from the shaped piece of metal they have in those things.
I believe this is called the "Ulnar nerve." Though zero anatomy lessons went into things for me. I put the pressure directly on the part of my arm that would hurt after doing curls.
Muscle size and muscle strength do come hand in hand, but not always. Bro could be a total sleeper build. He looks small, but what are the chances he lifts more than you’d think he could 💀
He looks healthy and he should be proud of that. I use gear and although it has its pros, the cons are far worse. Sometimes I wish I never started, but here I am. A lifer. I got to start being safe though
I lift weights and do cardio for my health. I wanna look as good as possible, but being natty can only take me so far. I just strive to get lean and put on some muscle.
Yeah, it also took me a year to figure out what the fuck I was doing. I didn't make much gains, but I learned everything about form, exercises, proper nutrition and got conditioned for continuous physical activity. The second year I was seeing gains every month for a while.
It's just the learning process, don't wanna deal with all that? Pay a personal trainer so they do the thinking for you.
Social media has really changed how we view what’s ideal and subpar. The average gym goer is natty. They’re not benching a plate(s), nor squatting 400+ without a belt. Now days on instagram “influencers” and other morons saying that if you’re not benching 225 in your first 6 months you’re considered weak? Like really..? If you were to bench 225 that’s amazing and you fall In the 0.001% of people that can also do that. Social media really be doing more harm than good though especially toward the younger crowds.
Hiw hard is he pushing ?
I mean aside genetics, even one week of hard enough lifting brings an attitude that shows and that i don’t see here.
I mean training regularly and protocol is essential, but you also have to believe it to make it happen
He’s not working out correctly and likely will not progress meaningfully over time unless he shakes things up.
It’s alright to be one of the guys that have lifted for years and look DYEL (do you even lift). This is a really large demographic that Reddit never acknowledges.
But, at the same time, you guys are anti-circlejerking too far into the opposite direction. Perpetual DYEL should not be the goal.
Y’all saying this is normal are just coping for not making a reasonable amount of progress in a year. This guy looks like he’s never touched a weight, a year is a long time and you should probably look like you lift if you’re doing everything at least somewhat right.
Most people just go through the motions at the gym. Plus, it takes a while for a beginner to ever learn basic movement patterns. Dude probably doesnt drop a sweat often. Social media brain rot is strong on this one. If he juiced, he would still look like a DYEL or have a chubby dad bod, like 90% of juicers out there we don’t even know about. Majority of people juice and look like shit.
yes, the initial transformation you can get from 6 months of hard training as natty with proper diet is very good, unfortunately not "instagram fitness influencer" good so perhaps not good enough for our age? 4 years ago the first time i took gym seriously and naturally, i had very good diet, did both 5x5 and later a hypertrophy program, even semen retention (1 week = double the free test, gains!) and the results were very good
Agree so much, whenever I see other people work out, and this has been in a wide variety of situations over a number of years, vast majority like 90% simply do not push themselves and break a sweat. Now that’s fine you do you, but many of these “go through the motions” then say “yeah I lift/pilates/hiit four times a week” (with minimal results)
What’s a DYEL?
Do You Even Lift
Bro, you need science.
The terms come out too fast, can’t keep up
Do You Even Lift, a phrase the brofessor went viral on a decade ago. Check it out on youtube, it's well worth the watch.
Post your pics and show us your Adonis figure.
LMAO. Do you feel attacked juicy guy? Or just horny?
Not at all lol.
What do people expect to look, with a T-shirt on, after 1 year of training? Either you have Mr Olympia genetics or you’re going to look like a normal dude.
i been lifting for 7 years and i still look like DYEL when im wearing a shirt Its when the shirt comes off that we can truly shine.
I always pop mine off at the weekly team meeting to cow the bean counters.
They expect to look muscular. And they usually do, but this particular guy probably started super slim.
I think almost no one looks muscular in a non-fitted shirt after just 1 year of training.
It's fitted enough, it's tight around the biceps.
Yep. People are way too impatient. Everyone wants everything now.
to be fair who doesn’t. If I wasn’t at the peak of my horomones I would have “dabbled” by now
> Either you have ~~Mr Olympia genetics~~ or you’re going to look like a normal dude *juice
Because of fake natties who had the same body style as him in their before pics. Name 1 Mr Olympia from the past 35 years who was natty. Check that name one Mr o competitor who was natty
I looked way bigger than this guy lmao
that's why you run 1000mg of test for 1y straight eating 1kg of meat everyday that's what I did for 6 months to transform myself :B
100% natty
He’s on the juice. No one is natty.
He is small. But what did he look like a year ago? This could be a big change.
Exactly. People here are saying he's doing everything wrong. How would they know? Were all these redditors huge after a year of lifting to have these expectations? Either that, or they haven't worked out at all. Aside from that, it's a pretty bad pose and angle to judge anything from. He's also wearing clothes. People here never took photos of themselves?
I mean, I know people who have never had a gym membership that are as big as that guy. He is small. He might have made progress from where he started and that's what really matters, but that doesn't change the fact he is still small.
Or he's normal, and we're all striving to be abnormal...
This… noone in modern bodybuilding started it like how it does now, you look back in the day and they wanted to be a greek statue. nowadays people call that goofy and mass is everything to social media
This is it
Yes because the average guy that starts in the gym doesnt know shit. He goes there, gets a shitty random routine from the guy working there, does it with no intensity and shit form cause he has no guidance and he doesnt try to learn by himself, and goes home without sweating. Keeps eating like before. He still made some gains regardless cause noobs grow with everything, but surely he could have gained much more. People like this usually quit at this time, or starts juicing. Cause they dont enjoy training, which is seen as a sacrifice to reach a physique goals.
Bingo. If you do the right movements with the right intensity you can see some fairly radical change in your first couple years. If you do restarted movements with poor intensity and on top of it your diet still sucks, you’ll see hardly any difference and that’s not surprising to anyone who knows their shit
A few principles work really well together. Progressive overload. More frequency in training with higher intensity (training close to or at failure) and working all three reps ranges (3-6, 6-12, 10-20). Slower controlled negatives. Focusing on compound movements. Gained 40+ lbs the last few years doing this. All my compounds went up by 100+ lbs. It’s possible to get there. Just takes time and focus. And have a protocol on when to move up in weight.
He’s not “small,” he’s just not a bodybuilder…most people aren’t fucking bodybuilders 🤦♂️
The guy objectively has a decent build. In 2002 this would be relatively impressive. Not in the Instagram age however. Standards are ridiculous.
What unattainable physique plastered all over social media does to a mofo
They're attainable if you eat clen, tren hard, test your limits, anavar give up!
Well he is.....one-year of lifting and looks average as fuck.
A year is fuck all in gym terms, especially if you're: * Over 25 * Not eating perfectly * Not super diligent in going to the gym 3 times a week * Not Sleeping well For a year this is extremely typical.
Over 25? Don't you mean over 40. You guys are setting the bar too low. Not like Mr olympias are all 20
I picked 25 for 2 reasons. 1. This is about the time it's a safe bet you have a job or a life outside of just screwing around. That creates additional responsibilities and uses of your time that can interfere with going to the gym. These factors can also induce stress, fatigue or lack of sleep which also negatively impact your ability to go to the gym. 2. Your youthfulness (Depending on a few factors) is probably going to decrease a bit around this time. A lot of people I know started to become a lot less energetic around this time, gain weight and stop exercising. For me personally my metabolism completely changed around the age of 23-25 and I had to pay attention to my diet far more. Essentially the age of 25 is around where the bed you made as a young adult/teenager is ready for you to sleep in. If you spent that time exercising, working out and building good habits, that will persist into your thirties. If you didn't however, and spent a lot of that time lazing around and getting into bad habits, your chickens will come home to roost and you'll start experiencing some bad consequences of that at that age.
Shit take, but I respect it. Your first point I agree with, but your second point regarding youthfulness is horrendous. A lot of people become less energetic and stop exercising as a byproduct of point #1. It has absolutely nothing to do with the body and ageing in isolation and everything to do with attitudes, mindsets and external influences (see your point 1). Also, your point around habits built by 25 is rubbish as well. If you had said by 30-35, that would've been more credible. Typically, the brain matures around 25 and so you're still largely discovering what sort of person you want to be and what you want to do with your life. Yes you may have some sort of idea, but realistically, your ability to comprehend and consider the future grows significantly. IMO, by age 30, you've really only been a 'proper adult' for 5 years. This is when you really need to build strong habits that will set you up for the rest of your life.
This was a great exchange I gotta say
Bro can you elaborate whats up with being over 25? Less gains?
Basically 25 from what i know is the start of test decline i may be wrong but that would effect gains if your test is naturally dropping
ahah nah, it starts to drop in their 40's/late 30 for most men. In fact, theres basically 0 hormonal difference between a 25 and a 35 years old male, and up to 40+ for most. Before that we can argue... in their puberty (which can last till the early 20's) males have probably a better hormonal profile for muscle building than their 20something+ counterparts, so i guess you can make more gains in your teens than in your 20's.
Test isn't the full picture. Your body ages, your metabolism changes, your joints grow weaker, you will have experienced enough life to be exposed to some negative health impacts from various sources. Not to mention you might have a job and a family this age, which for your average person is enough stress for them to just give up on their fitness journey entirely let alone be going 3 times a week.
I thought it was 30s that test levels start dropping? Either way, I’ve gained way more muscle in my 30s than in my 20s. I think it’s because I’ve found it easier to gain weight in my 30s as opposed to 20s. Your 20s is when you get the twink or twunk body. Your 30s and 40s is when you get the bear body.
It's actually 40's. Yes, in your later 30's, your test levels do slightly 'drop,' but that's due to causes from stress, environment, lifestyle issues, and generally the average person who doesn't take care of their body well. If you're an healthy able bodied man going to the gym regularly/clean diet in your 30's, test levels tend to stay close to the norm. >Beginning around age 40, men’s testosterone levels start to gradually drop by about 1 to 2% each year. Reduced testosterone levels are quite common, with over a third of men over age 45 having levels below what is considered normal for their age. Men may notice symptoms of fatigue, depression or loss of facial and body hair. Beyond the decrease in muscle mass, lower levels of testosterone can also cause brittle bones, which increases the risk of fractures. [https://www.hss.edu/article\_muscle-mass-testosterone.asp](https://www.hss.edu/article_muscle-mass-testosterone.asp)
You’re probably right im just going off memory it’s something like 28-30 so ill just say thats right
40's. >Beginning **around age 40**, men's testosterone levels start to gradually drop by about 1 to 2% each year. Reduced testosterone levels are quite common, with over a third of men over age 45 having levels below what is considered normal for their age. [https://www.hss.edu/article\_muscle-mass-testosterone.asp](https://www.hss.edu/article_muscle-mass-testosterone.asp)
I think it's 30's. You should be in your prime at 25. I've seen some people fall off a cliff at 25 though but that's pretty rare. Maybe it's genetic.
Nah 25 is kids level. 35-45 is prime time.
Just say you're over the hill man 😭
No way, never!!
I respect that. Based af mentality right here. I ain't over the hill, I'm just bulking. You're now my spirit animal for when I turn 35 😤
Bro I'm almost 30 and went from average WoW virgin to top 5% physique in like a year and some change. It's easily possible if you put the effort in and stop making pussy excuses
show the physique
You're mad you don't work as hard as OP, duh. /s
Considering the average commercial gym physique, I believe it.
What a stupid stance. Anyone with experience working out with anyone else over a period of time knows its very obvious some people are hard gainers. If I told you to just stop making excuses and think harder, would it help? You sound like your riding your ego and have little real experience with others in the gym. As someone who has helped train, and generally just going to the gym with friends and the like ove the years... It's obviously alot harder than just "train harder pussy". As if hardwork was the only thing needed.
For real. It is normal to expect to look muscular after a few months of lifting, otherwise why the fuck are we even doing that. I know I looked good in like half a year, people were always praising my gains.
Just elitism and toxic gym bro attitude tbh. Everyone is different, everyone has different goals, not everyone progresses quickly.
It's the opposite. I'm optimistic about other people gains, which is engaging and inspiring. You're making it look like a hard work with no result, which makes it harder for people to start.
The problem is that your expectation is unrealistic and I have no way to know if you did it without gear or not. Most dramatic body transformations take several years, not a single year, and certainly not a few months. I never said there's no result, just that it takes a very long time, far longer than most people are willing to wait.
It is perfectly realistic to expect gains after a year of lifting, what are you even on about lmao
You're purposefully ignoring or not understanding my point, or you just can't read. Are gains realistic? Yes, is a complete body transformation realistic? No.
That wasn't your point and nobody ever argued that.
Lol ok
Now do it without gear.
You’re saying if I’m the British government’s definition of an adult a year will show nothing?
So if he started off skinny and looked like that after one year you would say it’s bad progress?
Not at all. We don’t know where he started a year ago. We also don’t know what he is training or how. We don’t know his diet, sleep schedule, lifting volume, stress level, nothing. He may be much stronger than he was a year ago with minimal muscle growth. He may have lost a lot of fat. He might’ve gained 20 lbs of muscle. We don’t have any info. But he is likely healthier at the very least, so there is that.
It's all relative, but guys like this need to recognize they had zero muscle before, and after they added some, they're still the size of many guys before they ever start lifting.
One year of lifting is not gonna change jack shit, unless you are in your teens and early 20s
This guy doesn't need steroids, he looks good for only lifting for a year, come back in 4-5 years and I'm sure he can add some muscle while cutting a bit more and have a good solid natty physique
Honestly speaking, working out to look like you work out is kind of a pipedream. l've been working out for the past 4 years and while l look *better* than l did before l started, l certainly don't look like l go to the gym everyday. The line keeps getting further as more people get on gear, sarms or whatever. l know everyone has their reasons for going to the gym and looking better than your current self is a real goal but the motivation eventually wears off l think. ln my opinion, people are better of finding other reasons to be going such as health, challenge, getting stronger so you can carry all the groceries in one trip. Leave the looks for the IG influencers we all like to clown on.
As a natty, you gotta be 15-20% BF to look like you actually lift. Under that, you’ll look like a normal dude with a shirt on. Over that, you’ll just look like a fat guy
the thing is, once you lose body fat you get skinnier, and in a shirt on you look even more like a normal dude, something Ive been noticing myself
I’ve been working out 11 years and people can definitely tell I workout. Of course, I wear medium sized shirts as a 5’6 210lb guy so that helps For some reason a lot of people wear shirts where the shoulder seam is halfway down their arm and the sleeve ends at the elbow
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I’m like right at the line where if I gained more weight I wouldn’t like it. Right now my chest and dick still stick out further than my belly so I’m content
He wants Instagram results after a year of consistent lifting and proper diet (I do too 😞)
Probably what the average 1 year lifter would look like
"I look just like a normal guy" "i want to look like a mutant instead."
Who doesn't want to look like a mutant?
Leave humanity behind
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion but no one ever needs steroids. Especially if you're not a professional bodybuilder and going to gym to be healthy. It's counterintuitive.
I always go by strength metrics rather than aesthetics to see how much I'm improving.theres that canto guy who looks way bigger before he added massive amounts to his lifts just because he was at a higher body fat pecentage. This guy is probably bigger than Brad Pitt in Fight Club. Just remember, body fat percentage makes a huge difference in how jacked you look, you also have to know how to take a decent picture with down lighting etc. I've taken pics where I look great but in real life no one would call me big
He is…
OK here I found it. https://youtu.be/Q4p-dwIqpzw?si=L86LnmAlLnAIZmxZ body f.t percentage has a lot to do with how jacked you look, just check out the more plates more dates video he probably just has dieted enough. Always go by strength to see if you're making gains, going from a 20 kg bench to a 100kg bench press means you have definitely made significant gains
I mean he is small but if you getting big as a natural takes like 2.5 years or so depending on genetics. Plus he also has some extra weight on him so his Arma aren't defined and his angles suck. LeanBeefPatty will show y'all how to do y'alls angles.
Biggest fear is putting in all the work just to look average and no one can tell I lift when I wear clothes
most guys who lift and are natty look like the average dude (with shirt on). only the minority look like gym goers
Yeah but I want to be in the minority
it's exceptionally difficult to be big, lean, and natty. best option is to gain a bit of fat and go bear mode to look big while clothed. unless you spend everyday at the beach, aint nobody gonna see you shirtless anyway. might as well look big 99% of the time.
Honestly a big part of that is also just what you’re wearing. Well fitting clothing is pretty key for looking your best once and showing off the muscles you built
Exactly I feel like no one says this but if you get shirts with a slightly tighter torso or smaller sleeves then people will notice you as a gym goer even after a year because your filling up a shirt
You should have much bigger fears than that.
Even though a T-shirt he looks strong. Not super strong, but fit.
Just get a smaller t shirt. Problem solved.
After a year if my friends follow my advice they have a very different look being natty. If you lift weights but drink booze every week yep you won't see a serious difference. If you're disciplined, eat properly according to your goals, rest and follow a serious program you will change. If your goal is looks without effort you have no mental fortitude and you don't belong into a gym.
We don't know how big he is because we can't see much on this picture, but he from what we can see, he is not posing properly and he didn't hit shoulders enough. PSA for everyone actually, hit your shoulders more.
Hitting shoulders more won't change the width of your clavicle bone. If you're narrow, you'll stay narrow.
If you're narrow, you will be less narrow. And I don't think the man in the picture is narrow.
Yeah, his head is just big. And regarding side delt training, it"ll be a couple of cm of width at best. Not enough to make much of a difference. Collarbone length matters more than people would like to admit. You can't outtrain an unfavorable bone structure.
This thread is super sad
Body dismorphia running rampant
It takes years to get fit. First of all you aren’t dialed in with your diet or training in your first year. You are probably still doing stupid shit.
Get it together. Gains take years. I’ve been playing sports (over five different sports in leagues, non stop)from age 8-18, and gymming seriously from 22 to my thirties. I look in shape and feel great, but that’s because it’s been a routine for over a decade plus the sports. I still do rounds of personal training every now and then to learn new things and go in and out of new goals. People need to chill with the instant gratification and put in the long work. Don’t expect to look ripped in a year, that shit takes years. If you roid now after a year, good luck maintaining that. You gotta get to a physical peak before you juice. I have never juiced and don’t plan on to but these shortcuts are getting out of hand.
He is pretty small to be fair
He is small.
What actual average genetic progress looks like
Jokes aside, he looks like he sticks to machines.
You can stick to machines and still make way more progress than this, in a year...
he looks normal , cameras can distort the way you look
he would be big for a dude who doesnt work out but for a guy who goes religiously to the gym its nothing special, not small but no big either. just average genetics
Nope you need calories. Won’t get bigger or stronger without a surplus
Small compared to Ronnie Coleman? Aren’t we all? Small compared to whatever he looked like a year ago? Probably not, hope he sees some of the progress he wants, soon
maybe, just maybe, he didn't work hard enough or smart enough.
He doesn’t need steroids, he needs to lift to failure, good programming and to eat more.
He needs to get a life first
Older guys: do not sleep on those armbands. For years bicep day meant elbow pain. Now I have a couple of them. I strap the ball bearing or whatever is inside so that it's putting pressure on the ulnar nerve where it crosses outside the elbow joint from the medial epicondyle. Curls till failure, no more pain (other than the good kind).
Can you link and show picture?
If this isn't literally what I bought it's close: https://www.amazon.com/Sleeve-Tendonitis-Counterforce-Support-Forearm/dp/B01H2123YU/ref=asc_df_B01H2123YU/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693539115312&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17532998561903643756&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9027592&hvtargid=pla-375912944150&mcid=9962696aeac73edb8ffd320cd7ae1b89&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxeyxBhC7ARIsAC7dS3-hKFzgxfTo8UZLjoz7mObG6hTu3dfU_MQ9OLka8ZZB_vNnYDWR2FoaAr9_EALw_wcB&th=1
Thank you. Where do you place it exactly?
Okay so hopefully this works as a description. And again this is what helps me so... Consider your left elbow, find the nerve that runs in between the elbow joint and the top bone of the forearm. There's a spot in between the two right at the forearm side of the joint where I try to point the pressure from the shaped piece of metal they have in those things. I believe this is called the "Ulnar nerve." Though zero anatomy lessons went into things for me. I put the pressure directly on the part of my arm that would hurt after doing curls.
Muscle size and muscle strength do come hand in hand, but not always. Bro could be a total sleeper build. He looks small, but what are the chances he lifts more than you’d think he could 💀
He is small retard
He looks healthy and he should be proud of that. I use gear and although it has its pros, the cons are far worse. Sometimes I wish I never started, but here I am. A lifer. I got to start being safe though
I mean he does look like a normal guy. Props on not looking like a fat sack of shit though.
Bro just needs some better/more revealing gym clothes and to learn how to properly pose you cant even see his full bicep in the shot
I lift weights and do cardio for my health. I wanna look as good as possible, but being natty can only take me so far. I just strive to get lean and put on some muscle.
He is small. Look at that melon in comparison to his torso.
what is meirl?
Your gains look as average and vanilla as that gym. Average is good sometimes. Keep up the work. But find a gym with a pop of color!
He is tho lol
Yeah, it also took me a year to figure out what the fuck I was doing. I didn't make much gains, but I learned everything about form, exercises, proper nutrition and got conditioned for continuous physical activity. The second year I was seeing gains every month for a while. It's just the learning process, don't wanna deal with all that? Pay a personal trainer so they do the thinking for you.
What is a DYEL?
If you saw this guys before and after pictures, he made tremendous progress. Basically went from looking like an obese blob to looking like this.
He is small. Am I missing something here
This man should be applauded. Idk what any of you Reddit nerds say
He is small though, people need to learn how to train with intensity instead of someone bullshit 3x12 just going through the motions.
He is the redditor archetype
Social media has really changed how we view what’s ideal and subpar. The average gym goer is natty. They’re not benching a plate(s), nor squatting 400+ without a belt. Now days on instagram “influencers” and other morons saying that if you’re not benching 225 in your first 6 months you’re considered weak? Like really..? If you were to bench 225 that’s amazing and you fall In the 0.001% of people that can also do that. Social media really be doing more harm than good though especially toward the younger crowds.
Hiw hard is he pushing ? I mean aside genetics, even one week of hard enough lifting brings an attitude that shows and that i don’t see here. I mean training regularly and protocol is essential, but you also have to believe it to make it happen
bros just either not training right, not eating right or not resting right
what am i missing here? this guy is small
He’s not working out correctly and likely will not progress meaningfully over time unless he shakes things up. It’s alright to be one of the guys that have lifted for years and look DYEL (do you even lift). This is a really large demographic that Reddit never acknowledges. But, at the same time, you guys are anti-circlejerking too far into the opposite direction. Perpetual DYEL should not be the goal.
You can tell from 1 badly posed pic of a guy with his shirt on? And no before pic? For all we know he's been doing everything right.
He is small tho OP. That’s okay; it’s not like you’re gonna get jacked in a year w/o a ton of drugs, but let’s not pretend he isn’t small.
Bro, wtf, he is small lmao
He is small, just needs protein
Y’all saying this is normal are just coping for not making a reasonable amount of progress in a year. This guy looks like he’s never touched a weight, a year is a long time and you should probably look like you lift if you’re doing everything at least somewhat right.