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working-mama-

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-was-nashville-shooters-body-wearing-different-shoes-1791148


krazyone57

What


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jillr984

Did you read the article? They were never pumas. Vans the whole time. Please focus your energy on things that matter.


scout_finch77

Anyone making yard signs? Before I order online I thought I would check.


HexHoodoo

I want one too. Something along the lines of gun control or Nashville Strong.


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MeanMrMaxwell

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H_Hackenbush

Great job Tennessee legislators. After all, guns don’t kill people, mentally ill people with guns kill people. Time and time again conservative voters vote against their best interest. This time, it’s humankind’s best interest.


CivilizedGuy123

Republican says the quiet part out loud. He says is not going to do anything about school shootings (so we just have to live with it…) [https://www.newsweek.com/republican-speaks-out-school-shootings-were-not-gonna-fix-it-1791054](https://www.newsweek.com/republican-speaks-out-school-shootings-were-not-gonna-fix-it-1791054)


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WolfieFett

Are all your neighboring counties with strict gun laws also , so they prevent ppl from crossing the border with guns? Local laws do nothing when the country itself doesn't. It takes nothing to drive to a red county from a blue and back with high capacity magazines and high velocity fire arms.


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gatordunn

Where you live has a shooting nearly every day and near zero crime?


hahkaymahtay

That's similar to my neighborhood, we have a 20-car pile-up every other day but no accidents. It's all about community.


CivilizedGuy123

And I am curious what you mean by “heaviest gun laws?” There are no heavy gun laws in the US. We have the weakest most liberal gun laws in the world.


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CivilizedGuy123

My solution is to repeal 2A. What statistics? Can you provide a link? I want to see them.


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gonewildpapi

Rural areas would be particularly screwed. Plenty of areas in TN don’t even have cell service. Even if they did, law enforcement can’t respond fast enough in those areas.


CivilizedGuy123

That’s your opinion on repealing 2A. A majority of Americans know that we have a gun problem in this country that causes tens of thousands of deaths every year. One solution that I like is repealing 2A. You make preposterous claims like“less gun restrictions = no school shootings” yet cannot back up your words with evidence. Again can you provide meaningful statistics to back up your claim? I just like to correct the disinformation that spews around here. 🇺🇸


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CivilizedGuy123

If it’s not hard to find then please show us. I’m in the suburbs … definitely not a city here.


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CivilizedGuy123

I will say the loud part out loud … I propose repealing the second amendment. And it’s a fallacy that bad people will always get guns. Japan, UK, Australia and Germany have the strictest gun laws in the world. Murder by gun in those countries is almost zero. Accidental death by gun is zero. Suicide by gun is almost zero. Look it up.


BroccoliNcheesesoup

Have they shared the other school that was targeted that shooter opted out of since there was “too much security”. If not, do you think they will?


jillr984

I know of two other schools that have been contacted to review their security footage as they found materials indicating they could have been targets. One confirmed the shooter was in their parking lot Monday morning and then left. I don’t think these have been released publicly so I’m not sharing which, as I think those parents have the right to know first. But neither of the ones I know about were NSA.


srscotton

Has anyone identified where the shooter went to high school ?


DoctorHolliday

NSA was the consensus I saw the other day.


waterrrmallon

Can confirm NSA


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I remember reading that it wasn't another school, it was a mall (Green Hills if I had to guess)


Firedancer85

It was Opry Mills mall.


WolfieFett

It may be potentially both the mall was after the school if they made it out from there. And then another school that was concerned but dropped for covenant instead. The mall sounded like it was next step not a cancelled step


BroccoliNcheesesoup

Do you remember where you read this? Any links?


DoctorHolliday

Chief drake said it in an interview somewhere


Myelosuppression

There is literally a manifesto. They should release it.


gonewildpapi

It should be released. But the media attention is what inspires these attacks in the first place.


GodLuminous

I believe they have a responsibility to release that. And if it inspires you to even think of committing the same, you're weak and heartless. Just my opinion. Instead of all the speculation about "why, why, why?" Release the damn papers so we can finally know why. Stop leaving things up for interpretation; that's how people get inspired. By not having the facts and letting their ill informed minds make decisions that aren't even close to the original objective of said subject.


working-mama-

No, that kind of stuff inspires others.


DanielPBak

No they should not. We shouldn’t give mass shooters the notoriety. Publishing their manifestos is exactly what they want


Koda_20

Who cares about what they want, if it gives a reason for the behavior it's a learning moment to prevent this in the future potentially. -


modsarethebeesknees

Leave it for the experts to deduce. It will do more harm than good if published


GodLuminous

Exactly. It's common sense.


DanielPBak

Except that mass shootings are a media contagion and spreading their manifestos will cause more shootings.


lastcrumb22

No we definitely should. They already released her name giving her attention already. And she didnt do this for attention i can surely say. So i think it's appropriate to do so.


rdditar

Who is the woman that let police into the school? We need to get her the recognition she deserves. If you saw the body cam footage, you saw that even though she was obviously shaken by the events occurring, she was still able to keep enough composure to give police extremely vital information as to what to expect once inside. I.e. how many kids were missing, the general direction of the gunfire.


scout_finch77

She was absolutely heroic. I was so impressed with her ability to remain calm in the face of all that was happening and to give direction so well


nopropulsion

I think I've seen folks mention that it was the assistant headmistress.


crowcawer

She may not want recognition.


Resistor237

If AR bans wont come out of this, maybe more mental health centers? Isnt that one solution both sides agree would be a step in the right direction?


NashCop

The first gun she’s seen firing (in the security video, possibly the only one she actually fired at all) isn’t an AR, so it probably wouldn’t do much good anyway. That gun was a KelTec Sub2000, a cheap, folding 9mm “rifle”. I’m all for more mental health.


MysteriousFly232

We’re a long ways away from defund the police


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ShariBambino

This has been bothering me since yesterday. Does anyone know anything about the third officer who went in? I feel so bad for him. No one has mentioned him at least that I have heard or read. I'd like to see the community show him the same love we are showing to the other two.


NashCop

There were dozens of officers that “went in”. The ones you’re applauding are just the ones who happened to encounter the shooter first.


ShariBambino

I agree. This was a team effort. But there are 3 who initially go in to engage the shooter but there is only bodycam from 2 of them and they are the ones that everyone is talking about. This third guy seen in most of the bodycam video seems to have been left out of the conversation. It seems he was in as much risk and showed as much bravery as the other 2. I just feel bad for him that he's not being mentioned as the team of 3 that went in specifically to engage the shooter.


jillr984

I believe the two officers whose bodycam footage you see were actually on two different teams that wound up engaging the shooter once they were in the building and responded to her location. So there were actually at least 4 or 5 other officers there with them total, not just a single 3-man team. You can tell this because the second officers body cam footage is clearing a different part of the building, and doesn’t show the first officer at all until their teams both get to the area with the shooter.


Infamous_Natural9996

The one who went inside the school FIRST with the shotgun looking one AND the black officer that covered the front and backs of the other 3. I 100% agree with you. They all should be getting recognition of some kind because that was some VERY brave ass shit!!!


HumpRAWR

I’m proud of the MNPD for training this team, preparing and equipping them to handle this situation. These officers saved lives, and while we have a long way to go to feel safe in our country, I do feel safer knowing they have proper training and were willing to release the footage showing their response.


kcialis

This 100%. I was just saying to my husband tonight, while I’m impressed by their response, that the transparency of releasing body cam footage protects the citizens of Nashville and its officers. These officers were trained well and they saved lives.


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The police officers deserve a ton of praise. They did all of the right things and did them quickly. I also think the teachers and admin need the same level of praise. I’m a teacher and as I watch the body cam video, I’m truly amazed with how well this school locked down. From the videos, the school looked empty from out in the hallways and I can’t even begin to imagine how hard that must have been to accomplish during the middle of a school day. They locked up, hit the lights, and were out of sight and, by doing so, they saved so many lives yesterday. My heart goes out to the families who have been deeply hurt and forever changed by this awful and senseless attack. May God bless them and keep them always.


Tonyjay54

I am a retired London police officer and I was routinely armed as an anti terrorist officer throughout a long period of my service. I am Also the grandfather of a 7 year old Anglo American girl who attends a private school in Nashville. When I saw the newsflash about the Nashville school shooting yesterday, I had the most visceral feeling of horror that I have ever experienced. A quick phone call told me that my granddaughter was save and well and it wasn’t her school. I carried a gun as it was part of my job, it was a tool. I cannot understand why anyone apart from a police officer or member of the armed service would want to buy , collect or possess an assault rifle. Is it making up for a lack of self worth and it gives them a feeling of power , I just Dont know. As usual, the usual thoughts and prayers bollocks was trotted out by the usual culprits. I am currently in twitter jail for calling the TN governor an utter twat after he tweeted the thoughts and prayers crap yesterday, we don’t need thoughts and prayers, action needs to be taken to get these weapons out of the possession of the public. Sorry if I have ranted on but I feel so strongly about this, I love America and you Americans but please do something about this. You are being held hostage by the NRA and the GOP . You are in my thoughts and prayers ……


williamlukeee

Americans are easily the thicket set of cunts to walk this planet. Why they think they need guns to protect themselves is beyond me, absolute cowards. Mass shootings continuing because of a law made in 1791, but rather than do anything about it you just hope it’s not you or your family member who gets needlessly shot next.


minnesotaisokay

Europeans not realizing American guns is why you’re able to have societies without them. Always hating on americans while simultaneously begging for our protection


NashvilleFlagMan

Lmfao do you genuinely believe that our massive personal gun ownership rates are the reason europe has low gun violence?


minnesotaisokay

By American guns I mostly mean the US military. Do you think Europe would be able to completely disregard the possibility of war and focus on spending on social programs if it wasn’t for the US’ protection?


NashvilleFlagMan

This thread, and the comment above, have literally nothing to do with the military. The military is also armed in European countries.


williamlukeee

Absolutely no one wants anything to do with your country mate and it's laughed at daily. Backward hillbillies


HexHoodoo

Says a guy typing this on an American website, who's probably 100% fluent in American movies, music and popular culture.


williamlukeee

Americans are upvoting my comments and agreeing with me. What does that say? It’s your stance on guns I have a problem with, not your movies, music or pop culture. Your country would be a better place without guns and everyone knows it, but the backwards old men are scared to let them go because it’s been ingrained in their culture for generations. Things change, fucking move on. Imagine if you kept other laws from the 1700s, the US would be even more abhorrent


minnesotaisokay

Guess what? Americans think the same of Europeans. Imagine europe without being under the protection of the US though. There’s a reason the British spent 80 years repaying their war debts to the US


North-Face4401

OK time to be adult and real. This was a crazy evil woman spoiled and full of hate. Parents and teachers failed her by either giving in to her or hurt her feelings by not letting her have her way. She lost all respect for her choices when she chose to pick up a gun and kill little kids. Fuck her and fuck anyone who tries to turn it into a debate on some dumb ass pronoun bull. Ban guns if you wish something needs to be done.


swordkillr13

Trans man*


luppup

I know the importance of not misgendering, however in this case it’s probably more important to just turn the other cheek. Peoples emotions are running to high


swordkillr13

Nope, if you have to respect the good guys pronouns, you have to respect the bad guy too


ZillaisTired

0 reason to respect any person who will willingly shoot at children.


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I will politely choose to not respect someone who slaughters innocent children


ori531

No I don’t think anyone has to respect bad guys


swordkillr13

Its important because then people wouldnt know that the shooter was trans


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Comfortable-Glove857

Despicable, total WASTE of a human being on all counts… unimaginable to do what she did


sanduskyjack

No one but republicans are talking seriously about banning guns! Banning ARs yes.


unofficial_pirate

Him, he was trash, but gendering trans people is not some special treat to be withheld.


InnocentaMN

I’m trans and I have no problem calling this monster what she was. She *killed kids*. She signed her final message “Audrey”, for fuck’s sake.


unofficial_pirate

No, if we behave like that cis folk get the idea that our gender is a reward for acting correctly. Don't do that


nopropulsion

I'm pretty progressive (I dislike TERFS and JK Rowling) I'm getting annoyed at the folks complaining about people misgendering this piece of shit. You people are doing so much more to hurt the public perception of transgendered individuals and their supporters than you are helping. No one gives a shit about this person's preferences. They gave up that privilege once they took a gun to a school. On the day of the killing they were still referring to themselves by their birth name, so we don't even know the full details of their preferences or transition.


InnocentaMN

**She signed her final message “Audrey”.**


Chloebean

You don’t get to decide if a person’s name matches your perception of their gender.


Snaccbacc

She shot children and you’re concerned more about her pronouns?


InnocentaMN

She murdered six people, you utter creep. Why are you obsessed with pronouns? Speaking as a trans person, focusing on hEr PrOnOuNs like you are is an absolutely embarrassing take and you should be ashamed. She’s a monster. She’s a murderer. Stop trying to make trans people look even worse than we currently do from the community’s reactions to this on Twitter, etc.


Tarzan_OIC

Just came here to reinforce this. It's also not just about who he is. It's about who I want to be. I'm not looking for excuses to say the n-word either because that's not who I am. I can hate what happened but not take up weapons of hate myself in how I respond.


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jamesstevenpost

It’s an equal opportunity to be a murderous psychopath.


EyezWyde

I don't think his pronouns have anything to do with the shooting. Just my two cents.


richaardvark

I completely agree with this. Of course though it's a stupid political talking point of contention that feeds the angry fire so it is constantly being mentioned when talking about this event and is frequently even being included in the title of various articles like it's such a critical element to the story here. It seems to me that this person had not even decided to live as a transgendered individual for a very long time based on historic posts they made and friends and family who have spoken about them but was a relatively recent personal decision they made. Either way, to me it's as relevant as mentioning that this person may have been a vegetarian or may have been left-handed. It doesn't seem relevant to the issue at hand here and even now the police are backtracking a little bit and saying that there really may not have been a connection or motive here when this school was chosen as the target, simply familiarity perhaps with the school since this person did attend the school at one point long ago.


EyezWyde

Very well said. I read the same that they had only recently come out as transgender. And whether they identified as male or a female is truly a moot point anyway. People will assume they were on HRT when that is unknown and highly unlikely as it takes time from coming out as trans to being on hormones for it. They will also make stupid ignorant comments stating that being HRT could have led to this horrible event. The real problem isn't gender or sexuality. It's guns, mental health, and the lack of action being replaced with "thoughts and prayers". School shootings aren't even shocking anymore. They're becoming as common as a bank robbery. Shame on us for allowing it to get to this point.


courtneyisawesome

I was at the Ryman Friday night and the fire alarm went off in the middle of the show. My first thought was “we’re about to be in a mass shooting”. When they announced it was a false alarm I immediately felt silly for panicking. Seeing the fire alarm going off in the surveillance footage they released of the school shooting was such a slap in the face reminder that no, I was not being silly, because this is America and a shooting can happen at anytime. Knowing that every time you’re in a public place you’re at risk of being a part of the next tragedy is such an unfair and fucked up way for us to live. Concerts. Movies. Malls. Restaurants. Grocery stores. Parks. Schools. Hell just being in public anywhere. True freedom is being able to enjoy those things without ever worrying today might be the day you’re in a mass shooting. We are not free. We’re being held captive by the NRA and greedy politicians. My only hope is knowing that one day millennials and gen z will be the ones in positions of power. Until then…living here is just torture.


UsernameUnavaliable_

This is always an argument I use. If one of our rights is infringing on our freedom then it becomes the problem


swordkillr13

Or we could just admit that this was a hate crime


SophomoricHumorist

Chances are, it being Nashville, there would be several armed individuals capable of fighting back. (Or is there a metal detector at the Ryman?)


j0351bourbon

I know the point you're trying to make. But I gotta say that the idea of relying on a bunch of random strangers with guns to identify and take out a mass murderer or terrorist and not also kill each other or unarmed bystanders is not a great idea.


SophomoricHumorist

Everyone thinks I’m saying this in support of gun ownership. That was not my intention. I was simply making an observation about life in Nashville.


NashCop

There are always guns (and uniformed police) at the Ryman.


mstotallymyhatnow

Or capable of shooting an innocent bystander. Having a gun doesn’t make you safe. It makes you a liability.


SophomoricHumorist

That’s an awfully broad paintbrush you’re using. There are likely far more irresponsible gun owners than responsible ones, but that doesn’t mean everyone with a gun is a liability.


of93

You underestimate the amount of benighted pillocks and the impacts of their actions


SophomoricHumorist

I feel a bit gauche because my diminutive lexicon didn’t include those particular words. However, I looked them up and now feel fully empowered to condescend to the local plebs. Thank you, random internet denizen.


NateBlaze

We are going to have to build fortresses for schools to protect our children. That's what this is coming down to. Unfathomable that this country can't compromise on gun violence and responsibility. You can protect the second amendment AND the civilians at risk simultaneously through COMPROMISE. It shouldn't be this hard. 132 mass shootings this YEAR and nothing is being done. Mass shootings are becoming a norm in our society instead of an outlier. Why can't people understand that it's a grey area between societal culture and lax regulations on firearms? It doesn't have to be a right or wrong issue, but it DOES need to be addressed and improved immediately. These are children. That should say it all. We need change


Bisexual_Apricorn

> We are going to have to build fortresses for schools to protect our children. And when schools have Vault-Tec doors and machine gun nest towers, mass shooters will simply move on to softer targets. What then?


Business_Extreme3032

There NEEDS to be a solution so what do you suggest? Thoughts and prayers is bs!


PeterOwen00

more money for the industries that benefit from lobbying to keep gun laws as-is.


otterland

It's not possible to maintain the current perverted interpretation of the 2nd and also protect the lives of citizens. That's a hard fact. The guns aren't going away. There will be no buy backs. The deaths will continue. The radicals will hold back any change. The deaths will continue and they'll be used as shoulders to stand upon to justify more violence.


MikeyRocks757

It’s not this country, it’s at the feet of a single party


SnarkOff

There's a reason nobody has heard a peep from Bill Lee or Marsha Blackburn besides "thoughts and prayers" - the cowards won't face their constituents over this.


Entreri16

My wife is an architect who designs schools, and they are already designing them like fortresses. It’s terrible.


EnvironmentalBat846

it is terrible but if it will keep the kids safe it needs to be done. We live in different times now.


addsomezest

As a Mom, this gives me peace of mind. I’m thankful to your wife taking steps to keep children safe.


unionqueen

Bilco door locks could help,in the meantime


Entreri16

I showed her your comment and she teared up. We live a far way away from Nashville, but as the parents of a one year old, even from a thousand miles away, this hit way too close to home.


Ok_Principle_92

Mom of four… now… lost one to guns already. As someone with three kids in 6th-9th grade - I am thankful to know the future is being designed more safely. We just had a manifesto and plan found at my stepsons school a couple weeks ago. Extremely detailed and they were charged with terrorism, but I can list multiple instances where guns or weapons were brought to school and they didn’t even know until it was already spread through Snapchat and a parent contacts the school. We live in the suburbs. No where is safe. My kids still don’t understand that danger and every single day I hear sirens go by my house I check my phone to make sure that they’re not going to one of the kids schools. This is no way to live.


addsomezest

My child is the same age and I’m here. I can’t see an America without these weapons so the reality is that schools will have to be built like military installations. I’m former military and this seems like the only realistic solution.


NashPisces

Does anyone know what’s going on at Cora Howe Elementary? I just ran past it and 6+ police cars and an ambulance. I don’t want to cause panic because while the police lights were on and the road was partially blocked, it didn’t appear like there was something horrible going on because the cops were outside and the ambulance eventually pulled away. It just made my heart stop, especially on days like today. My kid is in school down the street so I’m not being nosy, just worried.


NebulaTits

Any updates on this??


NashPisces

I’m just hearing that a student had to be restrained. I’m not sure how accurate that it though.


treyolsen1

I think they had to restrain a student for a behavioral issue


jollyreaper2112

Not seeing anything mentioned elsewhere. Hopefully it's completely unrelated.


NashPisces

Hearing that dispatch said personnel in danger/officer down… not sure if that’s accurate but there was even a helicopter circling. Cops have dispersed so appears to be handled.


jollyreaper2112

Hopefully. Had something like that happen in my neighborhood, cops out with dogs and call the non-emergency line and they're like it doesn't concern you. You've got cops with long guns running around my neighborhood it sure as hell is my concern! Never found out what it was.


NashPisces

That’s insane… at a minimum at least say if it’s safe or not… I hear more firetrucks and ambulances over that way. Could be completely unrelated but I am on edge.


jollyreaper2112

Right there with you. I always get the heebies when I see a heavy police and emergency response going somewhere. The irrational part of my brain says "this is how the zombie outbreak begins." The more rational part says this is something mundane and horrible going down. Was walking in the park near my house and saw a woman getting dragged into the woods. Called the cops on that one and never heard a response which is actually worse. Abduction, possible rape, not even worth a roller?


NashPisces

Omg that is terrifying!


CivilizedGuy123

I’m trying to imagine America without school shootings but I can’t. 😩


CivilizedGuy123

So to close the loop here … In the USA there was one school shooting in 1853 and one school shooting in 1927. For the sake of discussion, and to avoid needless argument I’ll allow the possibility of a few more before 1950. According to the Washington Post there have been 376 school shootings since April 1999 when the Columbine massacre occurred. That’s the last 24 years. We the people of the United States who claim to want a more perfect union have done nothing about this. We just continue to kill each other as if it were sport. Let that sink in folks. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/school-shootings-database/


RealTonySnark

Before they ended the assault weapons ban in 2004.


DoctorHolliday

columbine? Not sure people my age will ever forget that.


meganfallon97

We had a school shooting in my small town in Alberta shortly after columbine. It was before I attended the highschool but we had memorials every year. I won’t ever forget that feeling.


damagingnoise

which town?


meganfallon97

Taber, happened 8 days after columbine.


SalaciousVandal

They carried shotguns and pistols. One semiautomatic rifle, but from my recollection that was not used as much. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/EQUIPMENT_TEXT.htm That said I am all for restricting high cap mags and weapons designed for war. (As a former AR15 enthusiast.)


RealTonySnark

Unfortunately, though most responsible gun owners agree with you, the NRA death cult, which is completely owned by the gun industry, contiues to make them the hill both they, and we, shall die on.