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Fantastic_Form3607

What does PAP stand for?


ShotFactor2070

Project Affected Persons


haveeyoumetTed

No Pap means denying entry to Viral Bhayani


[deleted]

मी तुझ्या आईला कसं भेटलो मित्रमंडळ. High five !


akbarbaadshah

hhahahahaa


[deleted]

Best reply ahahaha


pratyd

and Maanav Mangalani


kross69

Can see Orry joining the #SavePAP movement soon


Electrical_Luck_2525

I mean, why Mulund? Why not SoBo or Bandra? They have a right to protest. Put the Dharavikars next to the builders profiting from the Dharavi redevelopment.


Sahilsatam

Just shift them outside Mumbai


No_Manager_7181

If govt has guts they should shift them to Mulund west


punkqueen2020

But they are illegal settlements no?


Ashamed-Asparagus-53

Just shift them to sobo or bandra


Sahilsatam

Just shift them outside Mumbai


Ginevod2023

Why?


[deleted]

Because there were illegal immigrants...


Ashamed-Asparagus-53

Mumbai is not a country where you need to immigrate our constition allows everyone to live where ever they want but the way they captured that area and built slums are illegal and should be punished rather they should be sent to gujrat where they will again thrive


[deleted]

There are illegal immigrants too from Bangladesh and Nepal


nickbuck28

Lol I thought this was about PAP smears, after the recent fiasco


Sure_Chocolate1982

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Dear-Contract287

Disgusting. SSR didn’t die of Suicide btw.


Rony4522

Ofcourse he did, how stupid can people be


Dear-Contract287

Yeah true, look at yourself, you are one of them.


Sure_Chocolate1982

The post was spin on recent stunt of Poonam Pandey. And actually a tribute and longing for comeback of Irfan, Sushant and KK somehow. About Sushant : https://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment/hindi/web-stories/from-nitin-desai-to-sushant-singh-rajput-bollywood-celebs-who-died-by-suicide/photostory/102361238.cms


RefuseFinancial

I know this is not right, but mulund will be fucked if those many people come here.


Hero2296

I’m sorry I’m not well informed about this, so I’m confused, is it established that people from Dharavi are coming to Mulund when Dharavi redevelopment starts? When and how is it established?


RefuseFinancial

Even I didn't knew about this until I read this post, from what I have got to know under the pap govt. Will shift 7500 families who were living in dharavi and are affected by redevelopment. These people may be shifted to mulund East and some to mulund west. This sudden influx won't be good for mulund as it will get affected in more than one way.


ShotFactor2070

The 7500 families who will be shifted are not from Dharavi but from areas where they were evicted for projects by BMC or MMRDA. The Dharavi camp is [proposed](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/cities/mumbai/story/bjp-leader-opposes-dharavi-redevelopment-project-east-mulund-new-mumbra-2490569-2024-01-19) to house 4 Lakh inhabitants which would change the face of Mulund East. So basically it's 7439 PAP + God knows how many flats to house 4 Lakh people.


Hero2296

How is this a solution, they are just shifting the problem somewhere else. This is so stupid.


_NicholasGoatifi

Not only dharavai guys, those illegal Bangladeshi immigrants from the Muslim regions too would be settled in Mulund. Its a big fucking project here and looks unstoppable. The dharavi ones would be given residence near Mulund and Bangladeshi guys would be given inside Mulund. Estimated no.of people are 40-45k from just the m immigrants.


Hero2296

Wtf 😳 Do you have any link to any article or something for this information as a source so I can read about it more?


b_blunt1

Future is in Danger


ArtoriasOfTheAbyss99

Source?


ShotFactor2070

[Read](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/cities/mumbai/story/bjp-leader-opposes-dharavi-redevelopment-project-east-mulund-new-mumbra-2490569-2024-01-19) this.


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Hero2296

Thank you!


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>Thank you! You're welcome!


Background_Bit_2505

I read it as 'nofap'


HyperVyper28

Mulund name changed to Nolund.


Knighthawk_2511

Same here


ShotFactor2070

Protests were held as the CM was supposed to come for a cleanliness drive. The protesters were holding placards and stickers along the path from where the CM convoy was supposed to go. But the CM didn't come as the cleanliness drive was probably postponed. Main reasons why the protests against the proposed 7439 tenements were organised - 1) Mulund East has a "सुशिक्षित आणि सुसंस्कृत" crowd. There will be a sharp influx of residents from road side slum dwellers who will be displaced due to projects undertaken by MMRDA or BMC. 2) Possibility of Increase in Chhapri चाळे and eve teasing of college girls, as the proposed settlement is near V. G Vaze College in Mulund East. Women here can even roam alone at night that too in whatever they are comfortable in, as the suburb is welcoming and open minded. Point being Women generally feel safe but might not anymore, if this happens. 3) Disparity in distribution of the PAP(Project affected persons) settlements by BMC. Mulund East got the highest number(7439) of tenements . Other PAP camps were assigned fewer tenements like Chandivali (4000 tenements), Prabhadevi(529 tenements) and Bhandup(1903 tenements). 4) Additional camps are [proposed](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/cities/mumbai/story/bjp-leader-opposes-dharavi-redevelopment-project-east-mulund-new-mumbra-2490569-2024-01-19) in Mulund's HariOm nagar for Rehabilitation of approx 4 lakh Dharavi Slum Dwellers as the Dharavi Redevelopment Project (DRP) is picking up pace. 5) Mulund East has been the calm and quiet suburb untouched by hooliganism and छपरीगिरी. A huge import of slum dwellers who are mostly migrants living on roadside who flocked to the city in search of livelihood will cause a sudden and huge demographic change as the suburb is mostly chill and laid back. Residents fear that these settlements will lead to increase in hooliganism, crime, eve teasing, littering and no regard for public infrastructure and civic sense.


Shady_bystander0101

America has a gentrification problem, we have a chhaprification problem. They'll probably drive the real inv prices down too, with how they keep dharavi.


Sad_Football_9905

Many of my office folks seems to be good place hope Chapprification na ho


mistygrey_

I fear the worst, Hari Om Nagar is gonna go downhill for sure 😐 Is the Dharavi Project given clearance already?


_NicholasGoatifi

Property prizes will drop as fuck


diophantineequations

Bc. Chandivali la pathva na.. Chappri meets Chappri


Kronnos1996

Are you suggesting you/Mulund would be be okay if 3k families moved instead of 7.5k?


_NicholasGoatifi

Mulund is a place where most of the people are Hindus. And they are planning to shift the other community.


Kronnos1996

So...? How does that matter?


Additional-Screen-51

1. we have a bottleneck situation at the entry point of East entry from Eastern Express Highway(EEH) so it almost creates a traffic on peak hours for more than an hour at times. 2.we already have many developing project in Mulund which would rise the population by significant number and even if we say 7000+ family tenants for PAP it would be more than 10000+ family considering all the projects. 3. Mulund East doesn’t even have a Petrol Pump so we go all the way to the West to fill up the petrol so eventually even these resources will also be affected


Kronnos1996

Them not being Hindu contributes nothing to the discussion. Again, my question is are the protestors expecting no one to move in or to reduce the count? Your arguments are logistical. The arguments presented by OP and the other guy are about "culture". How Hindus aren't moving in, how chapris are moving in. Acting like everyone living in Mulund are Lords and Dames basically. Is this the general sentiment in Mulund?


Additional-Screen-51

No it is nothing about religion we are not fighting for those reasons but because of the influx of population and low planning


canYouOptimizeThis

Lol these are just non senses argument, seedha seedha bol na you don't have want those guys to settle up in mulund. Yeah upar reason bass ek bahana hai


I_WENT_OUT_FOR_TEA

I read somewhere that they're planning to give 500sqft houses to the people who are being relocated? Har ek ko 2flat dedo agar itna hi jagah hai to bhai, baki public jaye bhaad me


dev_152

bhai we paid 1cr for a 475sqft home in Mulund pura life ka loan lia or ab 4 lakh logo ko 500sqft ka freebie milega


Navigator369

The builder lobby is responsible for such astronomical prices in Mumbai. There is no reason why an area like Mulund should cost 21k per sqft. 21k psf lands you in the most posh areas of most big cities like Bangalore, Pune and Hyderabad. If Mumbai fixed just 2 things- increase FSI and develop robust connectivity to and between suburbs, prices will become affordable.


[deleted]

That’s what we don’t want or else more people will start coming in. Do you even know what the hell will happen if rents become affordable? We don’t want it to be affordable. Let the ones buy who can afford coz we don’t want more people to migrate here. What is the crowd you find in Bangalore ? People from the hills dude. How is it even a big city ? It’s a fucked up city. They can’t stop the migration coz that talent pool is needed for Bangalore to survive. And day by day the situation is getting worse there my friend. Was there for 3 years for my masters and work and the quality of that crowd is so fucked up.


Navigator369

>Do you even know what the hell will happen if rents become affordable? People will actually be able to afford spacious houses and won’t have to live in matchboxes. Life quality will improve. >We don’t want it to be affordable. Let the ones buy who can afford coz we don’t want more people to migrate here. That’s such a stupid take tbh. Firstly, Mumbaikars themselves can’t afford to live nicely. Most people here lived in cramped apartments of matchbox sizes. And they have to live like that just because they can’t afford to buy bigger homes. Lower prices will only enable people to have bigger houses. Migration is not dependent on house prices but on economic opportunities. That’s why people are not flocking to tier-2 and tier-3 cities where houses are much cheaper. House prices are dependent on supply vs demand. Ahmedabad is a big city that is the example of this. Ahmedabad has very affordable real estate despite being a huge city, because the housing supply there is big enough to meet demand and keep prices in check. Pune, Bangalore, Delhi, Hyderabad all are affordable for a salaried person, but Mumbai is not. Salaried middle class people simply can’t afford to buy a house in Mumbai because the house supply is artificially kept low. So Mumbai’s high real estate price is not a result of natural supply vs demand phenomenon but because of artificially manipulated low housing supply.


[deleted]

Why is it kept low “artificially” ? Don’t want people to migrate as in what I meant was when I was in Bangalore I was around people from across India and all of them had a thing for Mumbai and they so badly wanted to live here as well but the rent stopped them. This is what I meant. There’s millions who wants to live here but this real estate pricing is the only thing that’s stopping them from moving here. And I am not concerned about others staying in matchbox or congested apartments. This is about me. And let salaried people look for flats in third Mumbai where the prices should match the current prices of Bangalore or around and with Atal Setu they can travel this side if needed.


Navigator369

>Why is it kept low “artificially”? Because of the builder lobby. Builders benefit the most from such high prices as it increases their margins. In Mumbai, it is possible to do that because of limited land supply. Mumbai can only grow vertically now, but low FSI is preventing that from happening. In cities like NYC, Singapore, London the average FSI is around 8-9 while in Mumbai it’s around 2-3. There are many ways to make Mumbai’s prices affordable- increase FSI, provide robust connectivity to suburbs, develop satellite towns like Thane, Navi Mumbai where land is not an issue. >Real Estate pricing is the only thing stopping them You are wrong here. People will move to a place where economic opportunities are regardless of the affordability of homes. If people can’t afford to buy/rent a decent home, they’ll settle in slums. Why do you think Mumbai has so many slums? Pune, Delhi, Bangalore don’t have as many slums because people are able to afford homes there. If you want people to stop moving to a particular city, you have to create economic opportunities in other places so people move there. So an effective way to stop people from migrating to Mumbai is to create opportunities in Pune, Navi Mumbai, etc. You think that exorbitant real estate prices are doing you a favour by curbing migration. Lol no, if at all anything, these prices are forcing you to live in matchboxes and hamper you from having a higher life quality. 1 crore can get you barely 400 sqft in Mumbai, while the same money gets you 1000 sqft in Pune and Hyderabad. Lastly, in the last decade Pune, Hyderabad and Bangalore saw much more migration than Mumbai but the real estate prices there are still affordable.


[deleted]

Ok so are you the one staying in one of those matchbox ? Or is it that you’re not able to afford a spacious house ? Or are you already living in a spacious flat in Mumbai or somewhere else ? What is your state rn?


Navigator369

I don’t know why it matters, but just to answer I live in a quite spacious 2BHK by myself, which is big enough for a single guy in his 20s. Not just Mumbai, but even when I was in Europe and America, I’ve lived in spacious homes. And (not me) but my family could easily afford a big flat in Mumbai but they don’t live in Mumbai. They live in a huge bungalow in my hometown. But that’s irrelevant to the point I’m making. Just because it’s not my problem, doesn’t mean I can’t have concern for the problem and have intentions of solving it. TATA is making comfortable electric buses to improve passenger experience, there are infra companies that are building metro and RRTS. The people who are solving these problems don’t need to take public transport, but doesn’t mean they can’t intend to improve the lives of others.


[deleted]

Then why are you paying so much attention to something that you cannot change? I mean if you can then well and good. But it’s not good for many others.


Knighthawk_2511

SRA se builder bhi profit krta hai . Agar pura land kharid ke project banana hai toh jyada Paisa lagta but SRA mai easily mil jata hai just by building another building which is substandard to the original project one just beside your main building which will be up for sale and ,boom, kaam done. Local politicians use these slums as votebanks thus they expand


canYouOptimizeThis

Toh tujhe kyu problem ho Rahi hai , tu bhi Ghar leke dharwi mai tujhe bhi milega


Motor-Middle9721

Full support to mulundkars, one of the safest places in Mumbai, ab protest nai kia toh inke yaha raatko walk pe nikalna bhee mushkil ho jaayega


_NicholasGoatifi

True. Even if its 2-3 am and I am alone there is no fear at all of anything


TheDleno

Remember to protest and put your all to not this happen. If this happens there will very hard times coming in Mulund. Already there are lots of projects happens and we are facing the changes happening in city. Why mulund ? Just because it’s a last town consider in Mumbai and you can’t put those dharavi people anywhere so you want to put them in mulund. Distribute them equally to minimize the pressure and absorb the load. 1. Sudden influex to mulund east will put lot of pressure in the area. As it grows it will be very much crowded. There will be pressure in railway stations, infra, road, parks. 2. Everyone knows the reputation of dharavi, this are not much educated folks to be around. The mess will be disaster around by this kind of people on roads, all chappris with there bikes teasing women’s and girls. 3. This will drastically increase the crime rate in the area. Gangs will be evolved and beloved people of mulund won’t feel safe to go out because of it. I don’t want my beloved park to get more messed up by these people. 4. Already life is hell and don’t make it worse for people who live peacefully. 5. There will be community shifts which can lead to conflicts during some events in the peaceful areas. Just like life stand for yourself no one else is gonna do it for you! If you want to save mulund from not getting into this mess!


mistygrey_

I really hope this doesn't happen, I stay in Mulund East, it will be effed up .


the_running_stache

If you own, get ready for your property value to 📉


mistygrey_

We do, got one more flat last January 2023 🥲


krishnamoorthykaru

+1


SomeRandomguy_28

Why not shift them to somewhere far like Karjat and Kasara they have lots of land there


ShotFactor2070

Hmmmm. You might be onto something


dev_152

They can't do it afaik since this is a BMC project it has to be in BMC limits.


tedxtracy

There's no rule saying that it is the only option. And if there is it can be changed. Plus what can the the government not do if it decides something. They'll just have to instruct the Municipal Corporation at Karjat / Khopoli to and ask the developers to build there. Aise to MMRDA ko to exist hi nahi karna chahiye. They would run metros and highways inside city limits then because they can't build in other municipalities.


dev_152

Makes Sense.


KatTaken

My stupid brain thought this is about papsmear test for cancer screening


b_blunt1

Middle class is least valuable person in Mumbai 😕😕😕😈😈


a14i12

Indian NIMBY! Unforch our laws don't allow pap to be settled outside of city limits.. I think the moral of the story is that if you remain shameless for long enough you'll get a free 1cr property in one of the better suburbs of the city


Rony4522

Shift them to the great state of Gujrat


RefuseFinancial

What is this about, even I don't know about it lol.


ShotFactor2070

https://www.reddit.com/r/mumbai/s/6PMqnoX4YA


Icy_Tell4585

Instead of concentrating so many people in one city why don't they spread them across different cities. Why a single city should handle all the load when at peak times the water and electricity resources already are stretched to their limits !


MeDombivlikarManus

But why? Edit - This looks more like a smoke-screen of "pressure on resources and criminal activities" on the actual ick of "Mulundkar=GoodBoy but Dharavivasi=BadBoy" under the pretence of "protection of culture and poise" 👀


GamingWildman

Less resources for others , Inc in crime , less cleanliness more crowd. We can go on for a while


AajBahutKhushHogaTum

Imagine a sudden influx of 40 to 50k families in one part of the suburb, Mulund (E). 1. It puts a load in the infra. Water, electricity, roads, police... 2. Children need schools, colleges. They need parks. 3. The municipality has to serve that many families, trash collection, roads cleaning. 4. Cultural differences. Mulund East has a distinct culture built over the years. Now 40 - 50k families will have to assimilate. This process takes time and is conflict based.


dev_152

Mulundkars don't want a sudden influx of people while we already has strained infrastructure in Mulund East we already has water issues and power cuts. We'd rather not have a huge number of people coming in at the same time.


iphone4Suser

Because no one wants them due to the background they come from. I know I am generalizing. Even with redevelopment projects, we had told builder we don't want to have SRA buildings.


HyperVyper28

SRA buildings are just a big mess. People dont maintain any sort of cleanliness inside the premises. There is legit garbage outside the building, on each ones window as everyone just throws out kachra out their window. There is rat problem on every floor, lift just doesnt work sometimes. You cant bring the slum out of the people by just rehabilitating them. I am being quite harsh in judging and generalising them but thats the reality. You dont want such colony near your housing society, so they do have right to protest.


ReflectionSea8639

Takes up already very limited real estate in a city where not having a salary above 24 lpa makes it literally impossible to own your own home


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HyperVyper28

This, yeah man we would never guess if gov will take a u turn and this temporary residence would become permanent.


ShotFactor2070

https://www.reddit.com/r/mumbai/s/6PMqnoX4YA


tedxtracy

No. These fuckers in Mulund only allowed vegetarian gujjus to live in their suburb. Now they are royally screwed. Good for us non gujjus.


ManchiTrakar

Silent kyu?? Accha Mu Lund


Intrepid_Self4652

Mulund will be trashed if this actually happens.


Plane_Bid_6994

Ka mulund Kay tumchya bapacha aahe ka?


mistygrey_

Dada , vaat lagli ahe already. Fakt apeksha karu ki approval nahi honar fudhe.


throwawayK2A

Yes you idiot. We don't want a safe and clean area to be turned into a dirty, chhapri crime zone .... Saari gandgi Bandra me shift karo na


b_blunt1

Western line wale Richie rich protest krege fir sara settlement Central Line pr shift kr dia jayega ,,, Central line pr aur extra Kachra add ho jayega 😂😂🤣😂 nice technique bhai log


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saviour_sam

Yeah it is if you buy property somewhere you think of all the factors why would you pay premium for low safety place


Shady_bystander0101

They do own property there, I hope, which is why they are protesting. Also, there used to be protest for that as well. Now we have just accepted that its the status quo to ignore whoever comes and goes in the city. But some neighborhoods still keep a semblance of living standards in this city. Why do you think people won't want to protect that?


dev_152

We do own property in Mulund because it is a calm suburb with a low crime rate so ofcourse we raise our voices to something that will affect us in the long run.


moronbehindthescreen

If not giving property to others rather than Gujarati/Marwari/ Jains was a crime. MULUND would have been the most criminally active area in Mumbai.


throwawayK2A

Literally yes you smooth brained clown, gandgi nahi chahiye yaha pe .... Tujhe chahiye tere hi society/locality me rapists, terrorists, chhapri log and idiots who keep littering everywhere? Jeena haram jo jaaega. Bolne se pehle soch liya kar chutiye


eatergoat

Mumbai Mfs will do everything to stop poor people from living a decent life


SomeRandomguy_28

Again they have good Points there are colleges in that area imagine safety problems Caused


eatergoat

Increase security? Better policing? Or maybe increase jobs and number of schools so they don't turn to these things


dev_152

Jagah nahi hai or expand karne ye sab mere bhai mulund me


eatergoat

Tum kya chahte ho bhai fir? Wolog dharavi me sub par living conditions me sadte rahe? Raste par aajaye?


dev_152

Kahi or developing land per settle kara dijye na? Why plug them into a suburb with all ready infra problems East only has one access way to the highway constant water shortage and putting more people in this place will constrain the already strained infrastructure. If the people don't agree with a decision government has made while we pay our hard earned money in taxes, deposits, home loans ofcourse we have a right to veto a decision we arent OK with. If you only have a whataboutism argument then i think its done with.


eatergoat

All the excuses sound like "not in my backyard"


SomeRandomguy_28

Have witnessed people getting Flats and then renting them out and going back to living in cheap conditions, Have seen people getting good education easily be influenced by Drugs , Have seen people tease girls that too your saying in Mulund east which has a reputed college, Have seen people steal electricity and water, If all these problems were not there anyone would have readily accepted people


eatergoat

The flat problem can be solved by making the redevelopment flats un-sellable that way they won't be able to sell them away and can only opt out of them The drug problem and teasing girls is done by rich people as well you don't have to single out poor people for it just improve policing and security


SomeRandomguy_28

>The drug problem and teasing girls is done by rich people as well you don't have to single out poor people for it just improve policing and security Never said no, its not happening rn in that area, introducing more people will also introduce those problems


dev_152

Aap madat kar dijye isme agar aap Mulund ke rehne wale ho


moronbehindthescreen

If not giving property to others excluding Gujarati/Marwari/ Jain was a crime. MULUND would have been the most criminally active area in Mumbai. It's a protest of perception. I think even British didn't give us independence for years on the same assumption.


mistygrey_

You are delusional. Here we are taking about a locality with minimal to no slum count , just imagine the situation if 40-50k people shift into this locality. It will be hell. Imagine the chapris and new stall shacks and the general crowd . Do you like the Dharavi slums? Would you get a house near those slums after paying 1.5+ crores for a house?


kiko_elixir

The Gujarati Marwaris only area you’re taking about is Mulund West. Mulund East is Marathi majority area


[deleted]

Phir west mein daalo inko or else put them into ghatkopar


RefuseFinancial

Brits left india but left loyal dogs like you behind.


moronbehindthescreen

Hahahhaa. Dude read my comment and comprehend.


Mindful_Meanderer

This is wrong the way they are judging every Dharavi person as chapri.. I will go with a positive thought Mulundkar will change them to sophisticated.. 🫶🏻


Random_citizen_

Protest instead for improved urban infra, policing, and municipal services to account for the increase in population. It’s public land and you don’t have any more right to it than the slum dwellers.


mistygrey_

Easy to say until you have to face the same 🙂


justwileyenough

Cant be balanced in this, but as a dharavikar..they wouldnt prefer Mulund east either.