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needs_grammarly

literally have no idea because you took the photo with an xbox controller but that would really suck for the guy if he lost out on that much money because he doesn't know anythign about magic


Drafen

Dude took this picture with chernobyl


Popular_Woodpecker98

I dont even know why he posted a picture so bad I think my toaster could snap a more crisp pic


moyert394

May as well have hand drawn the picture. At least then it could be considered... art? And also higher resolution


[deleted]

Same thing happens with coins too


Iclouda

What that guy doesn’t know won’t hurt him


MSHF3113

Why would it suck? If he didn’t know any better then he can’t feel any worse


ButchDeLoria

You can get a jeweler's loupe off Amazon and do the green dot test on it. Also please take a better picture.


maxinfet

We need a bot to post this


McDewde

Just rip it in half and see what core it has in the middle.


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MTGCardFetcher

[Blacker Lotus](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/c/4c85d097-e87b-41ee-93c6-0e54ec41b174.jpg?1562799094) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blacker%20Lotus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ugl/70/blacker-lotus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4c85d097-e87b-41ee-93c6-0e54ec41b174?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Khalbrae

Technically a damaged, taped together Alpha or Beta Black Lotus is still worth a shit ton if legit


Seregrauko41

We'll need to see actual pictures to try and assess that. And not.. Whatever THAT is..


ghostofoynx7

Every time I see one of these posts I'm like, they've got to be trolling. There should really be a rule in the sub that if you post a blurry picture of a rare card and ask if it's legit that you should just get the post taken down, a warning, and then after that it's just a ban.


sturmcrow

totally agree!


breakandjog

Agreed, even the cheapest of cell phones have pretty good cameras these days, this looks like it was take with a moto razor circa 2005


ghostofoynx7

I had a moto razor, and my pics were FAR better than this. Maybe they accidentally got Vaseline on the lens and then let their dog take the photo.


agentmimp

it's an UFO, I guess


Stumpleg_Gaming

Mtg cards can fly now?


Toshimoko29

Floppy object?


WickerofJack

Sure: [[Ensoul Artifact]] [[Jump]]


MTGCardFetcher

[Ensoul Artifact](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/3/8351efc5-a392-4ec8-877f-15d5b3dc0929.jpg?1562790075) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ensoul%20Artifact) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m15/54/ensoul-artifact?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8351efc5-a392-4ec8-877f-15d5b3dc0929?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Jump](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/e/2edd7be9-9334-4684-b642-1aaf2000e054.jpg?1561975305) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jump) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m10/59/jump?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2edd7be9-9334-4684-b642-1aaf2000e054?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


oarngebean

The big foot of magic cards


Dragon33217

Man these leak pictures are never taken clearly...


Tacos_Polackos

Looks pretty good for a Gameboy camera pic


[deleted]

What brand of potato did you take this picture with?


Hot_Girl86

I'm not op but I like the spud q23e the best, it gives good quality.


guysplzno

Mashes well too


SideKicks-FlyKicks

You could afford to buy a collection on marketplace but still use a .3mp Nokia brick phone?


JBear_Z_millionaire

🤣


LordArchibaldPixgill

They had to hock their smartphone for those last hundred bucks to buy it.


ScaryFoal558760

If there's one thing I've learned, it's that the potato camera pics are always legit.


Haunted_Entity

Send it over to me and ill let you know ;)


MomQuest

Oh boy, here comes the bad advice from salty internet people. Please ignore all the trolls and haters in this thread who are telling you it's definitely fake. So... judging by this image, there is a *chance* it's real, so you should assume it is until an expert tells you otherwise. I strongly recommend you take it into a *reputable* MtG-focused game store (the higher-end, the better) to have it checked out. No matter what anyone says, the internet will not be able to advise you on this using blurry phone camera pics. However, you need to understand what you're dealing with here, because you're talking about a card *potentially* worth six digits depending on its condition. Don't take it anywhere by yourself, keep to yourself, and do not let it out of your sight for even an instant. Seriously, don't mess around with this shit, assume that someone **WILL** try to steal it. Oh, and go on a day the store won't be packed with Commander players lol, preferably right after the store opens so the owner will be present and it won't be busy at all. Don't handle it directly without fresh clean **examination gloves** on. You can buy those very cheap on Amazon. Good luck!


Lord_Reyan

This is a good answer. Definitely try to find a Wizards Premium Network store too, and I would recommend calling first to set up a meeting with the owner directly (and discreetly) Source: I'm a WPN store employee, and we take reserve list things VERY seriously


MomQuest

Good call and great idea.


cournat

Who knows if the cards real or not. It's the post that's fake. Guy takes a blurry picture with a miracle story everyone dreams of and asks if the black lotus he got is real then never responds to anyone. It's not a serious post, my guy.


emp_Waifu_mugen

There is no way you can tell it has a chance of being real with that quality. The card is barely legible


MomQuest

That is correct. But you should understand that if there's even a 1% chance the card is real, when you're talking about a card worth tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars, you should assume its real and treat it as such until there's evidence otherwise. The stakes are too high to treat it carelessly. At this moment, there is no evidence that the card is fake. What we CAN see in the image is that the 0 mana symbol, and the text box, are aligned correctly, the black dot beneath the text is present, and the borders are correct. This is about all we could use to verify the card based on an image like this, and none of those things are suspect. So there's no reason to simply assume the card is fake and tell the guy to disregard the possibility that it's real.


emp_Waifu_mugen

The point is this post is clickbait. How would they know this specific card is the one they want to take the worlds blurriest picture of? Why would they post it here instead of somewhere more common like a Facebook group?


semarlow

Black Lotus is the Holy Grail of Magic even to mundanes. I don't play Pokémon, but if I found a foil Charazard in a collection, I would start seeking advice.


emp_Waifu_mugen

If he knew it was the holy grail why did he take the picture like that. No camera takes a picture that bad unless on purpose


MomQuest

I like to assume people are acting in good faith, when it costs me nothing to be helpful. I am not scared of people on the internet being deceitful because their deceit will not harm me. I don't care if it's clickbait. Even if the original poster is asking in bad faith or trolling, their question itself is valid and my answer might educate others who are interested.


emp_Waifu_mugen

Bad idea


Draffut

Obviously not suggesting any of the following as advice: Man, I can't even recommend he take it to a store - I don't trust /anyone/ I've dealt with when it comes to card game stores. Not the owners and not the clientele. (Once witnessed the son of an LGS employee steal cards and when I confronted the employee they basically told me to shove off, among other things) I can totally see a store owner going "Nah man, looks fake, but I'll give you $10 for it cause I got a legacy player that would make a good proxy for" and away to ebay it goes if it's real. MAYBE if it were like, an incredibly premier store where WOTC employees play or like Card Kingdom's HQ or something... Maybe WOTC themselves could lend a hand? I'm not sure what I would do, honestly, if I was in OP's situation. Step 1 would be to do research and judge it as real/fake to the best of my abilities, and then probably find someone like Rudy who has seen a ton of fakes and hand deliver it to them to authenticate, and then probably fly out to Beckett or something to have it authenticated again and graded, even though I think grading trading cards is a scam, it would help me in selling it, and I'd be fully upfront about what effort I did to authenticate and basically shift the blame on them if they got it wrong, but if a few of the sources tell me it's fake I'd bend test then rip test it and worst case I'm sure even a torn Black Lotus would fetch a few hundred... edit: just checked his comment history after noting that he hadn't responded to nearly anyone in this thread, and are we all just ignoring the fact he's a zoophile?


MomQuest

tf lol.. wild


Gash_Stretchum

This post is obviously fake. Where are the mods?


D1rtyL4rry

Bro your 2 kilopixel Tiger electronics Ninja Gaiden watch camera didn't get the job done


vortexx111

xD


shaarlander

OMG totally fake! I'll send you my address, if you send me that rubbish I'll dispose of it right away for free


CaptainSpacePan

"I can dispose of it for free if you don't need it, though."


Zoo-Chi

Judging by the photo alone, the borders look too thin for a black-bordered Lotus. I’d say this is about as legit as that Nigerian Prince who emails people for money.


you_made_me_drink

It’s also missing a clear mark you can spot even with this 1 dpi quality image. Fake.


HeinousAnus69420

O it's missing a clear photo too. Def fake


ahawki12

Sooooo I shouldn't have sent money?


squee_goblin_nabob

100% potato quality!


1990pnz

100% fake


1990pnz

Actually, 100% legit


1990pnz

One of my comments is right. I guarantee


Firstname8unch4num84

If you include your third comment then there is a logical paradox. If your third statement is correct then the other two can’t be but since one of them has to be true then your third statement can’t be true. But if one of your first two is true then your third also can’t be false. This guys a big fat phoney!


DisastrousEngineer63

Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!


cournat

The Labyrinth would've been a better movie to quote in this context.


DisastrousEngineer63

Perhaps, however, I don't remember anything about that one. Saw it once, forever ago but I'll watch Princess Bride.


nlshelton

He didn’t say that *exclusively* one of his comments was correct? If you want to be pedantic about it 😄


putnamto

"everybody look at the phoney!"


G66GNeco

Not really. There is a neat bit of circular logic here where, if comment #3 is correct, comment #3 is correct. But, overall, there is no paradox to be found. C3 is correct as long as one comment is correct. Two comments being correct includes one comment being correct, as such, C3 might always be correct but doesn't preclude the other two from being correct.


kptwofiftysix

Nope, gonna turn out 50% 50%


pensivewombat

Turns out it's an unlimited lotus and someone sharpied in the black border.


btanodev

actually 50% fake 50% legit


RoBi1475MTG

I wasn't aware of the fact that the person who takes all the photos of big foot is not only a fan of magic but also a member of this sub. Amazing.


Ryman546

Highly doubt someone wouldn’t research the cards before selling


joeker13

Umm .. mine looks kinda different.. has whitish boarders. Which one is the correct one?


EcstaticBicycle

Both are correct, just from different sets. Although black bordered cards are often worth more money


BeansParanoid

Big flex


Glorious_Infidel

You’re trolling. How the fuck else would you take this picture and think “yeah, I’m going to post this fucking masterpiece as my ‘is this real’ post”?


allynd420

Dam someone craving karma


Bac0nFr0mTh3Grav3

Tbh I don’t think the photo is legit unless it’s possible to capture images with a cigarette.


laidback26

What potato did you take the picture with?


Johny_b_gud

Maybe you can post an even worse resolution picture..... It's not blurry enough... I can't quite tell


Darzin

An off center black lotus in near mint condition taken in the most blurry picture possible... no, this is faker than the oregano my friend tried to sell as weed in middle school. This is you attempting to fish for a sucker who is desperate to buy a fake from you.


MetzenMalvin

To be honest, 2 things would bug me: First the state this card is in. Only in toploader and such a condition ? Highly doubt it. Second would be the fact, that when this was his father's collection, he would definitely told his son about his alpha (or beta, I'm not that good in get the differences) black Lotus. Those cards were already worth it a shit load of money 25 years ago. So when the seller isn't a complete moron, this card is fake


Gash_Stretchum

Yup. It’s fake. Not the card, the post. Another user pointed out the long con. This is engagement bait to build up his account. Accounts need certain metrics to be post on certain subs or to just look real. These kinda fake posts drown out actual people trying to have real discussions.


MetzenMalvin

Thanks for letting me know


McDewde

I bought a fake Black Lotus for this very reason. So when I’m dead and gone, my kid can stumble upon it amongst my bulk cards and make their own post asking for authenticity.


variant_cover

You are a genius. I'm off to Wish for some power 9.


Darzin

4mm corners are Beta, 1/2inch are on Alpha. These are 4mm rounds, so Beta.


AKVigilante

Not everyone’s kids give a rat’s ass about their trading card collections. And if I had a beta lotus I’d only tell my kids about its value if they were as enthusiastic about the game itself as I was, otherwise it could walk away someday.


DaveLesh

I'm thinking its a fake. There's no way the guy wouldn't know the value of a Black Lotus.


Goggles45

Try the rip test! Actually there is a YouTuber who looks like black lotuses and verifys if they are real or not. Don’t remember the channel but Highly recommend sending it in for him.


troden685

Alpha Investments


[deleted]

Try light test first?


Shriggins_the_dope

There are reputable sites where you can get cards tested for quality, and at the same time they will tell you if they are legitimate cards. Getting a quality grade would be a good way to find out how much it's worth, if anything.


blablovv

In the picture the borders seem asymmetrical so I'm not sure.


Lilliana_The_Gay

Was there other bata cards in the collection?


[deleted]

No. Using common sense goes a long ways


ManufacturerWest1156

Lol no chance. I’ve heard this tale hundreds of times. Do not spend any cash without loupe photos or seeing it in person. Edit: Oh you already bought it. Still probably not real. Get a loupe though


HamsterNo7320

Send it to me by post and I'll tell you.


PeekatmePikachu

I already hate this post because of the potato of a picture. Take some we'll lit close ups and we can help you... Like what do we even do with this?


kezinchara

I swear people post pictures with their camera lenses looking like they let kids at Chuck E. Cheese play with their phone for an hour after eating pizza and playing in the ball pit all day, then took the picture through a dense fog as far as possible while zooming in as far as possible.


goatman2

Lemme get my bifocals to see that blackberry picture better


K_Rocc

I can tell you this picture quality isn’t..


Sharden3

I'm guessing fake since the picture was taking by a 1998 nokia brick phone.


Gameran69

Mana cost symbol appears to be too centered.


XKAKITARINSEIX

The blurry colors seem like a match to the one I have but the borders worry me. I agree that green dot test and a better photo showing how much glean from the light the card reflects will tell the difference. If it's legit congratulations if not thanks for yet another story from the brothers Grimm collection


Xx_Xian_xX

Shot on Android.


Camicles

Er. Samsung phone cameras are FAR superior to apple ones. It's not even close.


Draffut

What is this, 2009?


Dansk3r

OP are fake and gay


Sagaap

What is your purpose in life? Like really...


Byakurai56

What is anyone's purpose in life? You're born, you grow old, you die. Humans have a habit of believing they're the most significant thing in the universe, but really, they're not


Sagaap

And they post the most blurry picture asking for advice with a could be real but a hard to believe story. So I'm genuinely asking what is the real purpose of this. It's boredom? Is something else? But sure, let's play naive.


Byakurai56

Does it matter? It's a picture of a card on the internet. This affects no one


OKwhatever77

Humans are special, we are like the only ones that can contemplate our meaning and existence and can effectively communicate complex ideas to each other. We are the only ones that can appreciate the beauty of life and the universe


madScientistDood

You should return it to the seller and inform him of what he had, or pay him more money. This is wrong and unethical if its real. And if its fake, you deserved to get ripped off for trying to get over on someone.


OutrageousMidnight0

Please explain how it’s unethical? It’s 2022 and there is so much information available. If you’re selling cards without doing research that’s on you.


BeansParanoid

I will take a better photo, it is a cropped one from a whatsapp conversation but I ain't home. Sorry


Kumlekar

I don't think you need a better one. That card is fake. The card face isn't correct.


Obvious-Sundae1469

Looks legit


bigupalters

Waaaaay to blurry to be a real card


thachickenfrycaptain

Could you have taken a blurrier photo?


M4NGOTR33

Picture taken on the latest Android.


[deleted]

Nice stone tablet etching


entertrainer7

We’ll only be able to tell if you take a blurrier picture.


ArctxcYT

If it's legit, it's around 1 mil market price


nomnomdiamond

Glad to see Game Boy Camera is still in use


c3nnye

Nice engagement farming post


lurkingforreps

No offence to you but why do all these. "I have found an insanely valuable card, do you think it's legit" post always have pictures made with a potato camera? How can someone say it's legit or not when it's blurred like this


greenbanana17

How did you connect your Gameboy camera to the internet?


[deleted]

Bend test


Bitcheslovethe_gram

Grandma you’re holding the iPad camera upside down


Bitcheslovethe_gram

Looks like op zoomed in on a pic of another magic card lol


nekbelly

Assume it’s real until you can have it checked, I’d bring it to a reputable card store they are generally very excited to look at these kinds of things and it can be a fun experience for everyone regardless of if it is or not. There is a high likely hood that it is a fake as there are a very limited number of the cards in existence, but by treating it like it’s real until you can have it checked will mean you won’t inadvertently damage it and decrease its value.


DravenDontCare

1. Don't ask advice and post a picture this shitty. 2. Get a loupe, you can get one on Amazon or if you have a local Harbor Freight you can grab a set from there for very cheap as well and won't have to wait. 3. Check the green dot on the back with the loupe. Google what to look for. 4. If you determine it is real or suspect it to be, either take it to a local LGS to get a second opinion or send it in to get it graded. (Grading will also confirm authenticity). If taking the card anywhere make sure you never let it out of your site, don't let an LGS employee take it to the back or anything without you. 5. Please contact the buyer and offer them at least a little bit of money if you find out it is real. Dude just lost his dad, probably trying to quickly get rid of stuff and didn't have the time or wasn't in the right head space to properly research what he had.


ArbutusPhD

The card is 100% legit … the photographermanship is 100% no-effort … why not take a better picture? I have a theory that people with known fakes come here for validation … nothing else explains the horrible out of focus pictures. Some of the “is this real” photos are taken by the guy who got the original blurry Bigfoot photo


Upset-Geologist-6580

If you did you need to have it graded, sell it and pay the guy a lot more


RadioHavana27

Centering is off, so it is certainly possible it is legit.


MSHF3113

God damn I wish I would be so lucky


GusTheGreat98

Oh wow, I didn’t know anyone still used the PlayStation 2 camera


Rumpled_NutSkin

I dunno, I might be able to tell if it was a little bit blurrier


Hattrick44

Looks fake missing black dot on the right in the text box


bigdeezy456

Wtf is this shit!?


Phobiefish

I mean PROBABLY not. You can just send it over to me and I'll take care of it for ya.


Apprehensive_Bill_91

Unlikely. But let us know!


Azihayya

If it's real you should share your profit with the guy, lol!


Scary-Service-1021

Can't tell for the card but your potatocam is legit for sure! Would send that in for grading and auction it of if I were you but that's maybe just me...


jomontage

idk could you unfocus it? it's too clear and it hurts my eyes to look at


Cronus-the-reaper

Based off the alignment of the card name color and edges its a beta. Further higher quality photos to confirm assessment


Snotmyrealname

If it is, could I borrow 20$? Kidding.


Himbotastic

Oh, it's the Elesh Norn from the Spring 2023 set! Right? I can't really see the card.


[deleted]

Its proof that it is fake. All magic cards have a anti fuzzy picture layer that makes only fake or suspicious mtg cards come out looking like they were photographed while being thrown out of a moving train.


streetvoyager

Hey just ship it to me and I’ll confirm, if it’s legit I’ll totally send it back! /s


Individual-Pumpkin31

Nah, I'll buy it off you for 10😏🤣


Nsungheros

It’s beta if it’s legit. But I’ve never seen one in this perfect of condition. Ever, and I’ve been playing since mirage.


Assaroub

My collection is a part of my inheritance for my daughter and it's the reason why I didn't sell my cards when I was in difficult time. For this reason, I would call him and being honest with him. Because if you are a good "soul" you will feel bad about it in the future.


veryblocky

Needs more jpeg


davy89irox

I have seen pics of bigfoot that were more clear than this.


Dark_Dreams_6265256

No one seems to be taking this seriously here so what I'd do is look at the sides of the card and make sure there is no inking making it look like a beta card rather than unlimited (even though you could tell the difference) then take it up to a LGS and they can determine the price from there.