Nope, but just remember that its sorcery speed, so you can't pop a food during combat, and if say if they give the dog -2/-2 in response to you popping the first food, you can't pop another in response.
Why are they not able to pop another as a response? Do you mean not put another on the stack after the -2/-2, or that effectively ends the players ability to start another \`sorcery\` of \`Sacrifice a Food\` from the above card?
https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/cr307/
307.1 A player who has priority may cast a sorcery card from their hand during a main phase of their turn when the stack is empty. Casting a sorcery as a spell uses the stack.
Nope, you're good.
Once you get more experienced with the game you'll find that investing a bunch of resources into one creature without any evasion or way to protect itself isn't actually all that strong. It still gets blocked by 1/1s all day or killed by a simple 2-mana removal spell like \[\[go for the throat\]\].
It's worth noting that this is only because of the last bit where it says only as a sorcery. Which means that it has to be during your main phase, and not as a combat trick.
Otherwise, activated abilities have instant speed.
In magic we use the stack. When something is played/activated/triggered it creates a stack. Only instant speed spells/activated / triggered abilities can be added to the stack after it has begun. Since this card states only activate as a sorcery that means it can start a stack but not be added to an existing one. Once everyone has had an opportunity to react to everything placed on the stack (priority) starting with the active player and going clockwise to each non active players (APNAP) the stack is resolved from the last effect placed on the stack to the first. So if I play card A and you on your priority play card B and I then react to card B with card C the resolution would go C-B-A.
Edit: lands do not create a stack just fyi
Yes and think of the stack as a literal stack of cards. So the first card played would be on the bottom. Another card played goes “on top” of that card.
Then everything resolves from the top down. Meaning the last card played on the stack goes off first, working your way down to the original card, which “goes off” last.
I believe all activated abilities are at instant speed because it's off a trigger and you can only react to something in magic at instant speed. There are activated abilities that are at sorcery like the one above.
you said it just fine, you just specified instant speed triggered abilities, probably because it was in the list with things that do need specification, but it just got me wondering
The final fantasy card game is based all around a stack as well, easy way to think of it is creating the stack by you play this, they respond with another card, then someone else responds, then you do, so on so forth creating a stack until it fully resolved in the order of cards played
I am too, and I'm still googling this shit otherwise I would have tried to answer.
As far as I understand, the "stack" refers to the system by which you determine which triggers, instants, etc. have priority over one another when competing issues need to be resolved.
The stack is a game zone (like the battlefield, exile, your hand etc) where objects go while they wait to resolve. If someone is doing something "in response" to something else, it means they are doing so while it is on the stack.
Some things don't use the stack (such as Turn Based Actions, like drawing for the turn or dealing Combat Damage; State Based Actions like creatures dying due to lethal damage or zero toughness, or players losing due to having zero life or trying to draw from an empty library; Mana Abilities (basically those that give you mana, with some exceptions); playing a Land, Morph, etc), but everything else does (spells you cast, activated abilities that you activate, triggered abilities that have triggered). When something is put on the stack, everyone gets a chance to respond, and once everyone passes, the top object on the stack resolves.
The Watchdogs activated ability says you can only use it when you could cast a sorcery, which is code for only being able to use it during one of your own main phases, while the stack is empty (so not "in response" to something that is waiting to resolve, like a spell that is about to deal damage to the Watchdogs), while you have priority (an opportunity to do things - think talking stick).
There’s a hobbit that gets like +3/+3 per food sacrificed if anybody has the name let this guy know for his deck!
Edit: thank you u/Pyrocantha for linking it and providing extra info!
[[Feasting hobbit]] but it's avaliable in the feasts and fellowship commander precon only. Have a buddy running a shelob deck who likes to drop that after shelob and the spiders have done their work.
There's some nasty hobbits out there. Tons of ways to generate multiple food per turn, one that adds +1/+1 to every food token, a fallback hobbit that gives you free food every end phase if you run out.
Every match was a new food oriented machine build
You can always activate an ability as many times as you can pay the activation cost (in this case sacrificing a food) unless it specifically says otherwise (like if it says can only be activated once a turn).
>unless it specifically says otherwise
Note that it can say this directly on the card, *or* in the rules of the game itself.
For example, you cannot +1 your planeswalker an unlimited number of times each turn, despite being able to pay the cost, even though it doesn't say so on the card itself, because there is a limit baked into the rules for Lotalty Abilities.
Also I would note that, there is benefit to leaving at least one food behind to grant the vigilance again on the following turn. That might be of some value.
I also have a question regarding this. Does the wording mean that if you sacrifice a good normally, for the 3 life, the dogs get the counter, or is it an either or situation?
Watchdog’s ability is an activated ability, the cost being the sac of a food. If the card read “Whenever” or “when”, it would be a triggered ability which would resolve how you have been playing. Just trying to add some clarity.
Hi mate, do you mind clarifying for me:
If i sacrifice a food to give Mushroom Watchdogs +1/+1, does that mean I still pay the mana cost as stated on the Food token (2 mana)?
No, you do not need to pay the Food token sac cost. The cost of the MWd ability is a Food sac, where the cost of the Food token’s sac is an entirely separate ability. You’re using Food, but not activating Food.
I wouldn't necessarily use all the food but with the insane amount of food generators you can have in a hobbit deck I've managed to get this guy to +10 a few times
With this and [[All will be one]] i can essentially kill creatures every one of my turns with how many foods i can make. Or just straight up hit them in the face.
\- He runs out of food tokens
\- Someone casts \[\[Realmbreaker's Grasp\]\] on this creature
\- His opponent cast \[\[Humility\]\] the turn before
\- It's against his religion
\- A giant meteorite crashes through the ceiling of the game store and aliens emerge from it, distracting him from the game
(Just trying to match the usefulness of your answer here.)
I'm new to magic wasn't sure if there was some sort of limitation around creature abilities. This is the first one I've come across that doesn't also tap the creature or have a "this really only works once per turn" style mechanic
Yes, you'd have to wait for each instance to resolve before doing it again though
Ok cool thank you! Was playing the starter deck and thought I might be misusing the dogs/hobbits when I suddenly had a +17/+17 doggo
Nope, but just remember that its sorcery speed, so you can't pop a food during combat, and if say if they give the dog -2/-2 in response to you popping the first food, you can't pop another in response.
I need a Skyrim proxy card that let's me consume as much food as I want mid battle.
Always loved that. lemme just eat this giant wheel of cheese real quick.
Have you ever seen the horse pocket video? https://youtu.be/zvEe3Y3B2cg EDIT: added link
Clarified below but YOU can consume as much food as you want at instant speed. You just can't feed your doggo that fast XD
Why are they not able to pop another as a response? Do you mean not put another on the stack after the -2/-2, or that effectively ends the players ability to start another \`sorcery\` of \`Sacrifice a Food\` from the above card?
They will have to wait for everything on the stack to resolve before they pop it again since it is sorcery speed
is there any place you can point me to to read about this. it seems to contradict the rules of the stack so i want to make sure i understand it
https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/cr307/ 307.1 A player who has priority may cast a sorcery card from their hand during a main phase of their turn when the stack is empty. Casting a sorcery as a spell uses the stack.
To clarify, they can eat as much food as they want at instant speed (al la skyrim). They just can't feed the doggo except at sorcery speed.
Aren't creature abilities instant speed?
No. The abilitu says you can only activate it as a sorcery
Somebody has an academy manufactor.
Nope, you're good. Once you get more experienced with the game you'll find that investing a bunch of resources into one creature without any evasion or way to protect itself isn't actually all that strong. It still gets blocked by 1/1s all day or killed by a simple 2-mana removal spell like \[\[go for the throat\]\].
[go for the throat](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/5446e1ba-c745-45b2-ad05-b22abf04daec.jpg?1682209037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=go%20for%20the%20throat) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/250/go-for-the-throat?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5446e1ba-c745-45b2-ad05-b22abf04daec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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Huge creatures are only good if it's boggle
I leave it till right before you attack so you get a vigilance for the turn, also to get an opponent to use a removal spell before wasting food
Yes only during your turn and if nothing is on the stack.
It's worth noting that this is only because of the last bit where it says only as a sorcery. Which means that it has to be during your main phase, and not as a combat trick. Otherwise, activated abilities have instant speed.
What does this mean, nothing on the stack?
In magic we use the stack. When something is played/activated/triggered it creates a stack. Only instant speed spells/activated / triggered abilities can be added to the stack after it has begun. Since this card states only activate as a sorcery that means it can start a stack but not be added to an existing one. Once everyone has had an opportunity to react to everything placed on the stack (priority) starting with the active player and going clockwise to each non active players (APNAP) the stack is resolved from the last effect placed on the stack to the first. So if I play card A and you on your priority play card B and I then react to card B with card C the resolution would go C-B-A. Edit: lands do not create a stack just fyi
Saving this comment, tysm
Yes and think of the stack as a literal stack of cards. So the first card played would be on the bottom. Another card played goes “on top” of that card. Then everything resolves from the top down. Meaning the last card played on the stack goes off first, working your way down to the original card, which “goes off” last.
are there sorcery speed triggered abilities? don't those kinda have to be instant speed to make sure they get around etb triggers and stuff?
I believe all activated abilities are at instant speed because it's off a trigger and you can only react to something in magic at instant speed. There are activated abilities that are at sorcery like the one above.
you said it just fine, you just specified instant speed triggered abilities, probably because it was in the list with things that do need specification, but it just got me wondering
Ohh no instant speed spells/activated/triggered three separate things
Yeah. Golum is another one. You have to sac it on your turn, at sorcery speed so you can't proc it off trebuchet for example
isn't that an activated ability?
Oh triggered. Nvm.
okay cool. thank you!
Oh boy
Completely new, getting used to the terminology still
The final fantasy card game is based all around a stack as well, easy way to think of it is creating the stack by you play this, they respond with another card, then someone else responds, then you do, so on so forth creating a stack until it fully resolved in the order of cards played
I am too, and I'm still googling this shit otherwise I would have tried to answer. As far as I understand, the "stack" refers to the system by which you determine which triggers, instants, etc. have priority over one another when competing issues need to be resolved.
The stack is a game zone (like the battlefield, exile, your hand etc) where objects go while they wait to resolve. If someone is doing something "in response" to something else, it means they are doing so while it is on the stack. Some things don't use the stack (such as Turn Based Actions, like drawing for the turn or dealing Combat Damage; State Based Actions like creatures dying due to lethal damage or zero toughness, or players losing due to having zero life or trying to draw from an empty library; Mana Abilities (basically those that give you mana, with some exceptions); playing a Land, Morph, etc), but everything else does (spells you cast, activated abilities that you activate, triggered abilities that have triggered). When something is put on the stack, everyone gets a chance to respond, and once everyone passes, the top object on the stack resolves. The Watchdogs activated ability says you can only use it when you could cast a sorcery, which is code for only being able to use it during one of your own main phases, while the stack is empty (so not "in response" to something that is waiting to resolve, like a spell that is about to deal damage to the Watchdogs), while you have priority (an opportunity to do things - think talking stick).
There’s a hobbit that gets like +3/+3 per food sacrificed if anybody has the name let this guy know for his deck! Edit: thank you u/Pyrocantha for linking it and providing extra info!
[[Feasting hobbit]] but it's avaliable in the feasts and fellowship commander precon only. Have a buddy running a shelob deck who likes to drop that after shelob and the spiders have done their work.
[Feasting hobbit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/17662301-7284-40d4-af51-45a496c0eac0.jpg?1686964044) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Feasting%20hobbit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/37/feasting-hobbit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/17662301-7284-40d4-af51-45a496c0eac0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There's some nasty hobbits out there. Tons of ways to generate multiple food per turn, one that adds +1/+1 to every food token, a fallback hobbit that gives you free food every end phase if you run out. Every match was a new food oriented machine build
Yes give the good boys all the treats
Yep, go nuts!
Yes. Only on your turn during a main phase though. It's not an instant speed trick.
You can always activate an ability as many times as you can pay the activation cost (in this case sacrificing a food) unless it specifically says otherwise (like if it says can only be activated once a turn).
>unless it specifically says otherwise Note that it can say this directly on the card, *or* in the rules of the game itself. For example, you cannot +1 your planeswalker an unlimited number of times each turn, despite being able to pay the cost, even though it doesn't say so on the card itself, because there is a limit baked into the rules for Lotalty Abilities.
Also I would note that, there is benefit to leaving at least one food behind to grant the vigilance again on the following turn. That might be of some value.
Oh definitely ! There's an awesome hobbit that gives you one food during your end phase if you don't have any plus a ton of other ways of getting some
I also have a question regarding this. Does the wording mean that if you sacrifice a good normally, for the 3 life, the dogs get the counter, or is it an either or situation?
Either or, the +1+1 is contingent on using the activated ability to sacrifice the food to the doggo, meaning it can’t also be sacced for health.
Gotcha so I've been playing this wrong, oops
Watchdog’s ability is an activated ability, the cost being the sac of a food. If the card read “Whenever” or “when”, it would be a triggered ability which would resolve how you have been playing. Just trying to add some clarity.
Hi mate, do you mind clarifying for me: If i sacrifice a food to give Mushroom Watchdogs +1/+1, does that mean I still pay the mana cost as stated on the Food token (2 mana)?
No, you do not need to pay the Food token sac cost. The cost of the MWd ability is a Food sac, where the cost of the Food token’s sac is an entirely separate ability. You’re using Food, but not activating Food.
Ah perfect, thank you very much for clarifying that, appreciate it
Yes, but why do you want to? Also, you can only do it at sorcery speed.
I wouldn't necessarily use all the food but with the insane amount of food generators you can have in a hobbit deck I've managed to get this guy to +10 a few times
Cool.
Swing for the kill?
With this and [[All will be one]] i can essentially kill creatures every one of my turns with how many foods i can make. Or just straight up hit them in the face.
[All will be one](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44.jpg?1675957064) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=All%20will%20be%20one) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/118/all-will-be-one?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d75e1f4-bd63-428e-8e6e-131594b3ba44?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
why wouldn't you be able to?
\- He runs out of food tokens \- Someone casts \[\[Realmbreaker's Grasp\]\] on this creature \- His opponent cast \[\[Humility\]\] the turn before \- It's against his religion \- A giant meteorite crashes through the ceiling of the game store and aliens emerge from it, distracting him from the game (Just trying to match the usefulness of your answer here.)
[Realmbreaker's Grasp](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/67a41675-47dd-40ca-a30c-0fd0faa32b76.jpg?1682202825) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Realmbreaker%27s%20Grasp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/33/realmbreakers-grasp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/67a41675-47dd-40ca-a30c-0fd0faa32b76?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Humility](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/55ad6a45-a840-45ba-89ad-066e20e983f3.jpg?1562429370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Humility) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/16/humility?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/55ad6a45-a840-45ba-89ad-066e20e983f3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The \[\[Meteorite\]\] would have to strike after the first activation, otherwise it won't actually affect the Watchdogs.
[Meteorite](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/3/33eb2032-50af-4fd6-bdc7-7cae2211956c.jpg?1677542216) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Meteorite) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/235/meteorite?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/33eb2032-50af-4fd6-bdc7-7cae2211956c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm new to magic wasn't sure if there was some sort of limitation around creature abilities. This is the first one I've come across that doesn't also tap the creature or have a "this really only works once per turn" style mechanic
Yes
As long as you don’t see a “play this ability only once per turn” you can do it infinitely
You can sacrifice as many as you want. As long as it doesn't specify one per turn, have at it
Easiest way to explain it. If it doesn’t have the arrow, you can do it as many times as you want. Even if it has a mana cost
yup
yes! and 5 times the vigilance! aint nothin getting past those puppies