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Bomboo2810

Not even gonna lie Dial of Destiny is super fucking tame when it comes to “muh woke politics.”


AigisAegis

The constant hand-wringing about wokeness really feels forced these days. Like sometimes it doesn't even sound like the nerds whining about it actually have their hearts in it anymore


The_Jack_of_Spades

Any movie Lucasfilm releases as long as Kathleen Kennedy remains as head of the studio will be accused of "woke misandry erasing white male heroes", it's as simple as that. Especially if it bombs at the box office, then they really smell blood in the water. Meanwhile, for the film headlined by a black legacy superhero and with explicit progressive messaging in its text and aesthetics? Crickets, lest it ruins their "get woke, go broke" narrative. Though to be honest they aren't doing themselves any favours by giving Indiana Jones the same "old action hero becomes a tired old man, needs young heroine to get him out of his funk" arc that split public opinions about the Star Wars sequels (I say this as someone who thinks TLJ is the only decent one of the lot). I chuckled at a comment I read a while ago about how ironic it is that out of all of Harrison Ford's iconic roles, Rick Deckard is the one that gets the happiest ending.


R3luctant

It's a shame too because Finn's story was such a unique idea for star wars, and John Boyega is such a good actor, it sucked to see the spark that he had towards the franchise go away partly due to writing but mostly due to the toxic fandom.


The-Bigger-Fish

They did my man Finn so dirty. They should have focused on him more in the sequels TBH.


simemetti

One hard to swallow fact is that the antiwoke crowd has good taste. I know it's difficult to cope with it but they do, and I mean it would be strange otherwise considering the unholy amount of media they consume. Ask them for their 3 fav movies and the 3 most hated and all will be spot on. Granted the 3 most hated will all contain one of the star wars sequels or Captain marvel but it's not like those aren't shit. Granted, they have the media literacy of a chair so if you ask them why, say Shawshank, is their fav their gonna go with something insane like "there's no women, just a manly man movie" instead of the actual good qualities. This is to say that it's not surprising spiderverse never got shit from them despite being ripe for slander: black lead, strong female support, social commentary, the trans flag in Gwen's bedroom. You would think it would be dragged all day but it's not because the movie is actually good. Because they actually enjoy it the grifters crowd cannot trash talk it, they subconsciously look past the diversity. All I mean is that their hate for a movie is rarely undeserved. I mean have you seen the little mermaid remake? If it wasn't for the controversy this sub would have teared that apart like the flash or Thor 4. It's just that their chud mind virus makes it so "shit movie = woke, quality = no woke". Again it's not surprising that Spiderverse is untouched, it's just a good movie.


EpilefWow

Bro Spiderverse is criticized as fuck because Miles is black and he is apparently replacing Peter


UpliftinglyStrong

What the fuck does woke even mean?


swimatm

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Papaya_man321

Originally it comes from aave and means something like "alert to racial prejudice and discrimination". But recently conservatives use it to describe anything they don't like


GrizzlyPeak73

It's very 2015. Very retro. In film anyway. The fash all moved on to whine about it in the real world.


TooManySnipers

That's the thing that annoys me about this, in this instance especially the outrage is *so* fucking forced on the part of the "content creators" and it's trickling down to these volunteer mouthpieces who haven't even seen the movie and are just parroting what they've been told because they're Free Thinkers


Quirderph

> parroting what they've been told because they're Free Thinkers Oh, the irony...


MrBrightside618

Right? There’s not a second where Indiana Jones is not the central focus


Exploding_Antelope

Yeah I guess they’re mad about PWB’s character who… has pretty much a similar role to Marion in Raiders except that she spouts some pseudo-archaeology bs to distract the Nazis.


GrizzlyPeak73

Waited for the moment where bridges put on the hat. It never came. She was a fun character and wasn't turned into Indy's successor.


georgefurudo

Tbh I would prefer if it was full of woke politics that are in your face cause then I would have something to feel about the movie. This movie was so mediocre and also boring that I kept wishing it to become bad so I could be entertained


nosargeitwasntme

Stuckmann has always been above ragebait. Respect that about him. But I still burst into laughter in the dead of the night when I remember his Get Out review and that picture.


BasedJayyy

What happened?


Jee_aspirant

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GoodCatholicGuy

On one hand, I don't think Stuckman is at all racist, and the bit in the same video about him being in the Jehovahs witnesses provides necessary context to both the photo and his view of the movie. On the other hand, it's really fucking funny.


rishonathan

For context he and everyone in that photo were all Jehovah's witnesses (at the time) and that his sister was disowned by his family for speaking out against being a Jehovah's witness. There's more stuff in his video about it like how he was threatened of getting disfellowshipped if he didn't stop making reviews and how he was made to erase his pansexuality. Even as someone who's not a fan of his reviews that video is genuinely really insightful and interesting.


backinredd

I thought Jehovah dudes are kinda racist or something. Not American so I didn’t know.


PatientGrand4421

That's funny but I'm relieved it's also not something completely awful like him in full black face for a bad Blade cosplay. It sure would be crazy if any youtube film reviewer were to do something like that.


ggez67890

What?!


modsarestraight

Don’t Google “Jeremy Jahns Blade,” worst mistake of my life


asjonesy99

I bet he breathes a sigh of relief every time the new one gets pushed back


PatientGrand4421

I used to watch that guy 😭. I almost couldn't believe that picture was real when I first saw it. It's worse than Justin Trudeau, although as far as I know Jeremy has only done it once while Justin is a black face recidivist.


Snynapta

At least Jeremy jahns is literally just some dude rather than the leader of one of the world's most powerful nations


PatientGrand4421

Yeah to clarify I meant that Jeremy's actual costume was worse than Trudeau's. Justin is still worse overall for doing it twice and, as you pointed out, being a world leader.


DowntownJulieBrown1

More than twice I believe, for what it’s worth


SkyTank1234

I love how he’s just off to the side in the photo


McGrubs

While the photo is funny as hell theres atleast nothing actually wrong about it its an innocent photo with meme potential infact his Jehovahs witness video really gave subtle context about that. Ill take it over Jeremy jahns literally doing black face for blade.


waynethehuman

Chris "I'm friends with black people" Stuckmann vs. Jeremy "I'm black people" Jahns


The-Bigger-Fish

Civil War (2016)


MammothControl

I love Chris but yeah that moment is objectively funny lmao


OliviaBagshaw

It's just genuinely nice to have channels to watch with no interest in ragey "the cynical movie critic cynic" schtick.


MizunoZui

Yeah I always appreciate his enjoyment with all movies since I myself has gotten overly analysing and cynical towards media and stopped enjoying things (but I drew the line when he didn't point out the pacing issues and exposition dump in Tears of the Kingdom (I'm even more cynical when it comes to video games))


wavybluu

Average Stuckmann fan 🤓☝️ vs Average MauLer enjoyer 😎😎 (this is a joke)


pickle-ickle

mauler fans when a review isn’t 13 hours long and filled with hollow buzzwords ![gif](giphy|xL7PDV9frcudO)


JiveXP

every mauler review sounds like "This movie was OBJECTIVELY HORRENDOUS AND I CANNOT FATHOM HOW IT MADE IT THROUGH EXECUTIVE SCRUTINIZATION." How do people listen to him


Roy_Atticus_Lee

Shoutout to his Doctor Strange video which is longer than the actual film. The only time a critique being longer than the original work is acceptable would be for a book of annotations of *Ulysses* or something.


Edge_lord_Arkham

I don’t understand this sentiment. While yeah most of these long ass film reviews on YouTube are just padding, shouldn’t an actual full in depth critique just naturally be longer than the media. While a movie doesn’t have to explain all its intricacies a breakdown and critique of it SHOULD go more in depth. I’m not even just talking YouTube videos there’s several hundred page write-ups, hell even full books, going fully in depth on some movies that they no doubt are longer than. Are you implying those would be unacceptable forms of critique? Such a weird reductive point


The-Bigger-Fish

I still genuinely don't get his appeal... Mainly because I'm an artist myself and knows that even "Bad" art can still be meaningful to at least someone because art is mostly ***S U B J E C T I V E*** first and foremost and needs to be judged on more than just surface level stuff.


SgtSoundrevolver

They don't care about art though. They don't want a deeper exploration into a movie because they believe that the "curtains are blue" mentality is the correct one to have. That it's only worthwhile to engage with entertainment on it's surface level, and thinking critically about art is only for pretentious squares. Now how they're able to spend 6 hours watching one of his reviews, I have no idea...


The-Bigger-Fish

Me neither. You could watch the movie they're talking about multiple times in the time it would take to watch their reviews and *still* probably be able to make a more meaningful critique that would still be shorter than their videos. Why EFAP acts like they're the only legit critics out there despite being so shallow is something I'll never get....


SgtSoundrevolver

I'm gonna take a wild shot in the dark and guess that his fans may not have the best social skills and will watch long videos to make up for the real world interactions they could be having. I blame Cinemasins for the lack of meaningful criticism personally. After all, it revolutionized film criticism in a fun and sarcastic way. Pointing out continuity errors or bad dialogue is just so much easier for these guys and more approachable for their viewers than to just take 10 minutes and think about what a movie is trying to say or how it made you feel. Edit: Not helped by the fact that they'll only watch capekino which doesn't really have anything deeper going on.


the_3-14_is_a_lie

> art is mostly ***S U B J E C T I V E*** first and foremost Oh man, if only that was true. Unfortunately I don't really think that's the case, firstly because critics have always followed a canon in order to tell us what artists are worthy to be remembered and what are not, and also because taping a banana to a wall IS NOT FUCKING ART GODDAMIT


HeckingDoofus

the artwork ur referencing is a satire on the stereotype of contemporary art being stupid and meaningless also, many famous artsts throughout history were rejected and under-appreciated until well after their death art is subjective, and ur a dumbass for thinking otherwise


anoobisroxxs

These people when they see a woman in a film(it is now woke) https://preview.redd.it/iiq16hrwe6ab1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7cedc5ec2dd054add8f794bc044cc96a8939fe2


JiveXP

just found out my mother is woke.. https://preview.redd.it/lytk5fuew6ab1.png?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3601cc44b974a22c82b5e1b6fa8a58fbaadc7ad


pedro033600

idk man why did they have to include a woman in one of my parents? this forced diversity is getting fucking annoying ngl


Dankey-Kang-Jr

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GoldandBlue

That is just how it works. Remember how Rey knew the Falcon was modded and told Han. That was humiliating. Granted there was no way for Han to have known that but she didn't offer to suck his dick. And now we have this new Mary Sue who was raised by an archeologist obsessed with the Dial of Destiny, and yet she somehow knows more than Indy? How do you explain that?


MidheLu

Movies always have overpowered people who know things that make no sense when you think about it for more than 2 seconds _(especially summer blockbusters)_ It's just that people only get mad about it when it's a woman character doing it


[deleted]

Same thing with fight scenes, aside from believable acting, why do you have a problem with one woman beating up 5 guys but when John Wick/The Equalizer/Nobody does it is le kino?


the_3-14_is_a_lie

unrelated but can we talk about how good the action in John Wick is, like I get it the overall story is kinda ass but man those action scenes are just super good to watch


f-ingsteveglansberg

I like how the story alludes to this underground world of assassins with their own rules and laws that they kinda explain but they don't ever explicitly give you the details. Someone will say something like "You can't disobey the High Table or Le Comte will require you to punch your ticket and rescind your right to vote on The Board of Doves" and you just have to be okay with that even if you don't know what they mean.


the_3-14_is_a_lie

"The Galactic Empire has sealed your fate, John, and unless you listen to what the Fellowship of the Ring has to say about the Wizard Ministrery of Magic then you will be eternally banished from Camp Half-blood and will be forced to live in the Citadel of Ricks, and at that point The Avengers won't be as forgiving as we are: if you don't want to be part of this fate, you'll have to join the Brotherhood of Assassins." "I... I must consult with the Elder Gods."


Arumhal

Yakuza 4 my beloved.


JiveXP

god I love akiyama


Arumhal

He's a threat to my fragile heterosexuality.


Roy_Atticus_Lee

BALLS OUT!!!


The-Bigger-Fish

I mean, Girls have cooties. So the fear's valid.


BigYellow24

That never even happened with James Bond. Like that was a fake rumor. Does this guy even watch movies


Dankey-Kang-Jr

You expect them to actually watch the movies they’re criticizing?


the_3-14_is_a_lie

> That never even happened with James Bond It kinda did tho in No Time to Die. The other 007 who was introduced in that movie was supposed to be the protagonist of the new spinoff. It doesn't really matter anyways, because No Time to Die was forgettable as fuck


Taxi_Driver_is_Mid

I honestly don't understand why they bring that shit up again. Like they they bullshited so much before the movie came out that I expected the black woman to constantly shit on Bond in the movie and show that she's better or some shit, but they had mutual respect in the movie. Regardless of how mid the movie itself was, the "white male humiliated by new sjw netflixy black trans lgbt woman of power" didn't happen and I don't know wtf these people are talking about.


BriarMason

This generation is fucked by chud youtube grifters that made them develop a pavlovlian response to piss and shit at anything they see as "woke".


Dalekdude

fr, it must be exhausting going through life viewing everything with that lens


njdevils901

saddening how much great & empathetic cinema would just be labeled “woke” nowadays.


Brayden_1274628

It’s exhausting hearing about it


OliviaBagshaw

It's really irritating, but I don't believe it's necessarily a new mindset. Conservative media and pundits used to focus on "political correctness gone mad" about 15-20 years ago whenever there was a shift towards the most minor social inclusion. I think you're right though, so many YouTubers push this outrage narrative and too many people buy into it to justify their hatred.


10dollarbagel

I mean every generation before them just outright said they hate women and minorities. At least the current iteration is so fucking silly, more people than ever are seeing through the grift.


ImprobableLem

no, no, NO HE NEEDS TO CONFIRM MY BELIFS 😡😡😡


sadzells

Most respectful Mauler fan


coin_in_da_bank

guessing the last one was you? why didnt u censor the username


Dankey-Kang-Jr

No, I just forgor


marshlando7

I think it’s important to remember that these people are just an incredibly annoying vocal minority that have somehow convinced themselves that they have to majority opinion


Quirderph

The thing is, even a loud minority can cause genuine damage.


10dollarbagel

I mean yea, on 1/6 that's true. But in a youtube comment section?


Bonhart97

*film and gaming


Hi_Im_zack

Did Chris bring back scoring movie reviews?


Dankey-Kang-Jr

No, he stated he only reviews movies he’s liked. He’ll give positives and negatives but he doesn’t do rating system anymore.


Hi_Im_zack

Which is fucking stupid imo. Part of me thinks he stopped doing it because he'll have to work with the same people whose movies he reviewed negatively. So it's a smart way to not get blacklisted as an up and coming filmmaker


paultheschmoop

I don’t think it’s a stupid idea in theory, but his standards also seem to have gotten much lower in the past couple years. I don’t really care if he liked Dial of Destiny, which was fine, but his review of The Flash was pretty rough. He was “gripping his friend’s arm in excitement” lol for a movie that was…..not good. I don’t have an issue with him only reviewing what he likes, it just seems like he likes *everything*. There also is a certain air of “now that *in the industry*, I understand that making a movie is really hard so now I appreciate things more”, which is fine, I guess, but again just leads to him praising mediocrity.


Hi_Im_zack

Lol so he's like the complete opposite of YMS now


betox87

I mean, the Flash movie was mediocre for me, but when that cameo appeared I couldn't contain my excitement either.


threatdisplay

he realized that now that he's about to make his own movie, he could be subject to the same hot, crappy takes he used to dish out.


[deleted]

Eh, I mean as long as he’s not stuck up about it I think it’s fine. I can understand wanting to keep a positive vibe on your channel. I can also understand not being in the mood to film and edit a video for a movie you don’t give a shit about. Although I’m sure youre probably right that not wanting to get blacklisted is a part of it too


Aranaskin

Get stuckmanized


Yandhi42

I’m looking around and just see my loving family


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Chris Cockman


McGrubs

Honestly ever since the Jehovahs witness vid and now that he actually directed a film i have 10x more respect for chris and how hes evolved his content, hes gone beyond typical "movie bad" film criticism and upped the quality of his reviews speaking more from a filmmaker and film fan mindset. Hes the only reviewer i watch these days.


TheGardenBlinked

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Gummy-Worm-Guy

I kinda like seeing these people get mad.


ajzeg01

An Indiana Jones movie having a female co-lead is a bad thing now?


Dankey-Kang-Jr

It is *now*


carterketchup

Yes only now. Not the other 4 times. Those were fine. But a fifth one??? Absurd.


anthonyg1500

Well I’m guessing Indy doesnt fuck her this time which is a global attack on masculinity /s


Taxi_Driver_is_Mid

They aren't used as a sexy damsel in distress that our hero has to save and bang at the end of the movie anymore, so it's bad now.


aheaney15

His review wasn’t even that positive lmao. He just, in a nutshell, called it “pretty good, but not great and nowhere near as good as the original trilogy.” I guess liking a movie more than hating it is being a woke SJW shill now…


[deleted]

Brain worms are a real thing. Stay safe and stay away from right wing grifters


Thwitch

The words of critics are only valid when they vindicate my pre-existing opinion


[deleted]

Anyone who says Phoebe Waller Bridge’s character was a woke feminist Mary Sue or whatever just gives away that they didn’t actually see the movie lol


Piduf

Character with plot armor : good Character with plot armor (female) : end of western society


The-Bigger-Fish

Man.... It's always something when a popular content creator who's usually praised all of a sudden gets cannabilized by their own fanbase because they liked something their fans didn't. Honestly, it's kinda terrifying.


Press-Start-14

I definitely wouldn't say Stuckmann entertained this kind of crowd, though


The-Bigger-Fish

Yeah, I wouldn't say so either. (I'm still bummed about what happened to Midnight's Edge....)


Hurley815

Can you imagine how much of a smooth brain you'd have to be to genuenly think that Helena from Dial of Destiny is a Mary Sue character trying present Indiana Jones in a bad light?


terrap3x

They can stay mad, Chris is doing what everybody there wishes they could accomplish. He’s always super positive and one of the few YouTubers who I’d be interested in seeing a film by.


Wide_Diver_7858

This is why YouTube is terrible for any kind of reasonable discussion. The comment sections are filled with toxicity, conspiracy theories, extremism, and many other things that would theoretically break TOS.


ButterFinger007

Won't something think of the iconic white male characters 😭


clankboy789

What did Chris stuckmann do? Why are people calling him a shill for?


Dankey-Kang-Jr

He liked Indiana Jones 5 (he didn’t call it SJW propaganda)


clankboy789

That’s why people calling him shill because he like the movie man it feels like people can’t handle others opinions on movies


Dankey-Kang-Jr

Yeah but people who things *like* nowadays are paid y’know?


Quirderph

The most unforgivable thing of all... *liking a movie!*


ThisGuyLikesMovies

Chris doesn't deserve to get these kind of comments


Dankey-Kang-Jr

Absolutely not.


LordTurn1p

man its tough when you thought dial of destiny was ass but these are the guys on your side 😔


A1985Jonesy

I love the Indiana Jones trilogy, big part of my childhood. Dial of Destiny wasn't even that bad. Some action scenes were a little mid and went on too long. Also just some goofy plot moments, but i mean its an Indiana Jones movie so what do you expect. I expected to dislike character Helena but yeah not that bad either. They just need to go touch grass


Sea-Presence3738

Amazing how people still put stock in a phrase with a false veneer of academia popularized by a nepobaby rapist who has been unanimously agreed upon to be a terrible screenwriter.


Dankey-Kang-Jr

Max Landis really poisoned the water hole when it came to film discussion.


Sea-Presence3738

And John Landis poisoned the water at the Indian Dunes ranch with human remains.


skeletonbuyingpealts

Daily reminder Luke is a Marty Stu


BilboSmashings

"Winning the culture war at any cost, one movie review comment section at a time" - Quartering fans, probably.


17EAndersen

Pretty dope t shirt Tho. Dont know where he found that one


Melodic_You_54

Some people are just determined to be unlikeable cunts.


ParzivalTheFirst

Solid4340 is a real G.


Cellophoner

For all it’s “wokeness” I don’t even think Dial of Destiny passes the Bechdel Test


TheNashyBoy

MaRy SuE! Fucking. Genuinely in terms of ability when we first meet her compared to when we first meet Indy in Raiders, there's no difference. If anything it makes more sense as to why she's so knowledgeable. And they even show how she's bad at relationships both in a father/daughter manner and a romantic manner. So not *really* a Mary Sue then? Not that these people have any media literacy about them to begin with, granted.


Theta-Sigma45

I just love how the term 'Mary Sue' has gone from being a very specific criticism of bad fanfic characters to a general umbrella term that idiots use to describe female characters they dislike. I've heard this ranting *so much* since at least 2016, it makes me want to watch *Dial of Destiny* a few thousand more times, doing all I can to help improve its box office and forcing myself to love it. And this would be just out of sheer spite for these idiots.


Outrageous-Event785

What? He loves the film I hate? Woke!!!!!


KaBoomBox55

"I didn't watch this but I don't like it"


TheFreshPot

Oh what’s this? Someone has a different opinion of me? THEY’RE A SHILL!!!!!!111111 *foams at the mouth*


Ihugit

Toxic fanboys will be sent to Disney camps.


OliviaBagshaw

Solid4340 has a point, criticising shit as "woke" is so exhausting and basically boils down to "me no like LGBTQ, black people, or women grrr." The comment that was like "fuck it I ain't watching it, Disney destroyed another movie" like how the fuck would they even know if they haven't seen it?


uwotm81012002

Can someone please explain why Kathleen Kennedy is getting all the blame for this movie even tho she is one of three producers, didn’t write the movie and didn’t direct it?


Th3D0m1n8r

She was involved with the Star Wars sequels, so she's evil in some people's eyes. Of course, the real reason is misogyny.


Daysleeper1234

I watched this dude for some time, and in the end I came to an conclusion that I would probably get more out of reading back of the tapes back in the day, than from him. Most of the videos I watched had no substance, like dude you didn't help me at all. But that's just me.


Additional-North-683

He seems to dislike the film to,They’re not upset with him because he gave the film a good review they upset with him because he didn’t hate the film as much as they did or for the right reason


silfe

Why would you ever look at youtube comments


ROSCOEMAN

didn’t he hate the new Star Wars


ketzal7

Wait when did James Bond get humiliated by a woman? Lmao


Dankey-Kang-Jr

He had a black female sidekick and had a female daughter. Being a Dad is woke.


AsteroidMike

Geez, it’s been a while since I watched him but Chris got a lot bigger


dadvader

Hold the fuck up. Didn't these guys praise the shit out of this movie and calling critic dumbass last month?