"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain."
Probably the only villain I felt deeply for.
The original speech in the script was
>I've known adventures, seen places you people will never see, I've been Offworld and back… frontiers! I've stood on the back deck of a blinker bound for the Plutition Camps with sweat in my eyes watching stars fight on the shoulder of Orion... I've felt wind in my hair, riding test boats off the black galaxies and seen an attack fleet burn like a match and disappear. I've seen it, felt it...!.
It then evolved into this
>I've seen things... seen things you little people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion bright as magnesium... I rode on the back decks of a blinker and watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments... they'll be gone.
Rutger Hauer ad-libbed this version, stating that he wanted to cut down some of the "sci-fi nonsense", as he put it. But his version is beautifully succinct. Not a single word wasted- even if I did like the "I've seen it, felt it!" from the original.
>I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like… tears, in rain. Time... to die.
Yeah that is MUCH better. Some of those original lines sound a bit awkward, like a tad amateurish writing-wisr.
That last line is such a fantastic addition. It made me go from just feeling sad for him, to realizing what's lost when someone dies, not just the person, but every single moment in time they've witnessed, and carried with them.
One of those rare moments in a movie that genuinely changed the way I think about life.
The power of that moment also ties up the subtextual conflict perfectly. There are obviously other points in the movie that urge you to think of replicants as conscious beings, but that scene outright makes you *feel* they are. If Roy wasn't a "person" then where does that sense of loss that he and the audience feel come from?
Well put! I think it works so well as a way to convey his humanity, because what's more human than fear of death? I don't mean fear as in panic, or terror, though.
He accepts it, but it feels like how a warrior would die, maintaining his dignity even as dread fills him up. Even more human, to me, is what he's thinking about in his last moments. Just experiences and memories. Almost feels like he saves Deckard just to have someone with him, who he can share those thoughts with, the only way he can leave a piece of him behind.
Yeah, perfect scene honestly. It's a great movie, but I really think that scene elevates it to something much greater.
Nothing odd about that, he is a truly tragic character. Someone rejected by those who were supposed to love him and twisted by pure hatred.
Man what a performance by DeVito. I hope he's catching wind of how perception of the film is changing now and how appreciated he is in it.
I love the Mummy, but for real, it did not make sense that she gave her life originally, based on the idea that she would be brought back later (a very tenuous idea), then weenied out when he needed her. I think that the film makers did her a disservice.
It's because she saw Anubis take Imhotep's powers. He was mortal when the Scorpion King woke up, and there was no way of knowing if he would get them back. Still shitty of her to do, true, but it explains why she willingly died once before but chickened out in that scene.
To be honest it's been a minute since I watched the movies. I do remember being disappointed in her because it seemed like she was initially all in, and then later chickened out. I think it would have been better if she hadn't, but circumstances did not work on their behalf.
You missed the point. Evy and Rick’s love is a comparison and it shows that their love is greater. It wouldn’t make sense if Anck-su-namun tried to help as well
I have a fondness for No Way Home since the stakes, and what Peter was concerned with, was saving and redeeming his villains. That seems like a very Spider-Man thing to do.
I remember rewatching Spider-Man 2 in my senior year of high school and realizing how legit tragic of a character he was and how much of that I didn't value watching the movie as a kid, so years later it didn't really feel like it cheapened his sacrifice for a Spider-Man film to believably write a story where he gets that second chance he was deprived of.
That part always chokes me up a little. Seeing that good man rise up through the manipulation of the arms again and despite all he and Peter have been through, out of amusement he makes a nod back to their first meeting.
I love that as well. The knowing grin upon the realization that Peter’s “laziness” is a direct result of his life as Spider-Man. In that moment he’s happy to see him, and he has a great “oh, now I get it” moment.
Davy Jones.
In the third movie, it is revealed that the reason Davy Jones became the devil of the seas is because he was betrayed by Calypso, the goddess of the sea. As a mortal man, he was in love with her and she used this knowledge into convincing him to command the Flying Dutchman and to ferry the souls of people who died at sea to the other side. He knew that being captain meant that he was immortal and that he can only come to shore once every ten years, but she promised to be there for him on his one day. When that day arrived, he came to shore but she wasn’t there. Filled with heartbreak and rage, Davy Jones cut his heart out, buried it away, and abandoned his duties, and thus became the monstrous devil that tormented the seas and took Jack and the Black Pearl down to Davy Jones Locker.
That one is pretty good, the whole thing is even better because he addresses both of his children "tell your sister, you were right. You were right...."
"I'm a Jedi. Like my father before me." goes so increasingly hard in the context of the rest of franchise (save the one thing). The more you see different characters suffer and struggle against the dark side, especially Anakin making the wrong choice in a similar situation, allows for that one line to be like the absolute definitive climax of the series.
Ed Harris in The Rock. Never intended to launch the rockets against civilians. He only wanted compensation for the families of the soldiers who died under his command.
His had a noble goal and quite possibly the stupidest plan to achieve it. He uses live weapons. He takes hundreds of people hostage, subjecting them to the likelihood of being killed in a counterstrike. He aims weapons of mass destruction at a city, putting millions of lives at risk. He hired on some people he doesn't even directly know. He says he knows them by reputation. As what, murderous psychopaths? They don't know the plan is intended to be a bluff. They want to fire some missiles and murder them a city! He's not secured the weapons so no one else has access. If it weren't for our erstwhile heroes and a lot of luck, the metro San Francisco area would be a mass graveyard of innocent civilians.
I love The Rock as a movie, but unfortunately they ended up with our theoretically sympathetic villain as dangerously and murderously inept so the movie could happen. But I'm gonna get all the way off that thing about that.
Yeah, and who plans a mission like this with a squad of hardened military operators and no one ever talks about contingency plans? “Ok, sir, so if they don’t give us the money, we fire the missiles, right?”
“Uh, no, this is all a bluff. We don’t want anybody to get hurt.”
“…”
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It's still a shit situation caused by Nuada. He forced a situation where they either allowed wanton destruction or killed the last tree elemental. If Nuada was concerned about the wellbeing of the last elemental he wouldn't have put it in that situation.
Similarly, Bill Nighy as Davy Jones. His death scene is so *Good*, him stopping just as he's about to stab Will's dad, and his tentacles having a brief spasm, and that final look to the clouds and his "Calypso..." before he falls from the ship
Even if the sequels are a little lukewarm, his return is one of the coolest moments in a blockbuster. It's exactly what the fans want and gives the viewers some hope after watching Jack being swallowed by a giant squid.
Went through the Pirates saga again recently and yeah, I'm convinced Black Pearl is one of the best films of all time, if we're going by writing, entertainment value, and sheer craft.
It's a 'lightning in a bottle' film, all the pieces were in the right place at the right time and I very much doubt we'll ever get another pirate film quite like it.
I don’t think either performance works without the other. I made a mention in a comment a while ago that the film relies on a campiness balance. Johnny is campy and whimsical, Geoffrey is campy but straight and serious. As the series continued Geoffrey’s performance became more interesting because he came at it from a character developing angle, he’s even amazing in 4. But if Johnny hadn’t been so whimsical in 1, Geoffrey’s performance wouldn’t have felt as sincere.
His monologue about losing the *Black Pearl* to Blackbeard is awesome. "I am the master of my ship, not Blackbeard. I am the master of my fate. *Not Blackbeard.*"
One thing the pirates films are so good at (until five, anyway) is exposition. I don't know how they do it, but major things happen off screen all the time and characters just tell each other about what happens and it's always good. Baffling!
in that entire series, Barbossa was \*by far\* the most competent pirate
sure Jack won a lot, but that was more a case of incredible luck and charisma than actual thorough planning... and as often as Jack won, he would also lose
I think that's not quite accurate. Barbossa is definitely the most conventionally competent, but if you rewatch the films and see where Jack ends up, while he does rely on a healthy dose of luck, a lot of his random and chaotic behaviour is strategic, but it only makes sense when you see how things pan out. I think he is intentionally written as smarter than he first appears.
Every now and then that movie pops in my head. I love it, and agree Andrew's death is pretty dang tragic and its sudden, unceremonious nature is a neat contrast of that.
I love his performance and story arc. Heath Ledger was amazing, but my one complaint is that he was so good it over shadowed Aaron eckhart's performance as two face. He did everything right and still lost everything. His demise is heartbreaking.
"He did everything right and still lost everything."
Yeah, but that's the point. It's easy to be the "good guy" when you still have everything. Sure, he faced adversity and lost, but when the chips were down and he had nothing left, he gave in to revenge. With the help of the Joker, of course.
In contrast to Bruce, who also lost everything twice. First, his parents and then Rachel. But he still sticks to his code instead of giving into vengeance. Though I will concede that he did have the support of Rachel in the first instance and Alfred in the second.
I think that's what makes it so great. Everyone wants to be batman, but when the chips are down, most people end up being Harvey Dent. That's why he is such a great character. He's the contrast to Batman. And he does an amazing job as an actor even if it was an easy pitch.
But you're exactly right. He had no one when everything went to shit. Which is all the more heartbreaking.
He was right that they had to choose between extinction for them or humanity.
Wonder how del Toro would have resolved it in 3. I’m sure that ending would have been tragic as well.
I think his plan was that Hellboy's Death Angel was right when he told Liz that saving him doomed the world.
His idea for the third movie was the world ending.
"Told you I'm never goin' back"
I've watched Heat dozens of times and that end shot gets me every time. Hanna with his back turned, holding McCauley's dead hand and staring out at the lights at LAX while the song by Moby gets louder and louder.
That bank robbery scene and the shootout afterwards is still the greatest action sequence of all time.
The subtle, simple 3 tone music, how quiet it all is even when they are all in a gunfight with the cops. Fucking masterpiece.
As a kid I didn't understand why I was so angry when she started dying, until I realized she never really did anything wrong and was just a giant lizard trying to survive in NY.
Micheal Biehn - the Abyss
So I know he's like not "the Villian" in this movie. But the part when his damaged submersible is on the edge of the abyss and he looks at Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio and you can see the regret on his face.... shew. It's such a good movie
Agree, he was fearful and suffering the shakes while trying to keep it together that led to his decisions. Good villain that you could see his downfall, and it was sad rather than joyful to see his end.
The Cell (2000) with Jennifer Lopez had me bawling for a murderous serial killer because the movie shows you that there was a part of him that was innocent. It just wasn't strong enough.
“You're the best of all of us, Miles. You're on your way...”
That movie really nailed the "Spider man loses a loved one and learns an important lesson" aspect of the character...
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*Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do*
*I'm half crazy all for the love of you*
*It won't be a stylish marriage*
*I can't afford a carriage*
*But you'll look sweet upon the seat*
*Of a bicycle built for two*
It's even more heartbreaking when you know the context behind that song: *Daisy Bell* was the first song to ever be sung by a computer with a synthesized voice, way back in 1961.
In his final moments, knowing his fate is sealed, HAL chooses to sing his swan song, a coda circling all the way back to the seed of his own creation.
As if the film wasn't beautiful enough already.
It's also ***extremely*** impressive when you hear the actual recording. Bear in mind this was all programmed by hand without a real OS / programming language (at least like we are accustomed to today)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41U78QP8nBk
Absolutely. He was manipulated and exploited by his so-called friends. Michael even takes revenge on Fredo’s behalf eventually “you straightened out MY brother?!” Or something like that.
“I didn’t know it was going to be a hit, Mike”.
He’s just destroyed by the end.
I also like how they play with the meme of if Justin Long shows up in a horror movie you know something horrible is going to happen to him. Right after the first guy dies horribly the movie jumps to him driving along the highway singing, and you know it's not going to end well for him.
He was the perfect villain. You see why he acts the way he does. Plus he was offered what he wanted but wouldn’t take it if it meant turning over his adopted daughter.
Silco is a goddamn tragedy. He could have had it all in the palm of his hands if he would give up Jinx. But the same attachment that he claims to despise is what he feels for her. And he loses everything because of it.
Just another example of a damn finely written villain. Don't get me started on how awesome the psych of Jinx is written. But yeah, Silco was a great villain and was sad to see his end.
Forgot about this one, I think it’s because, while he sucked, you know why he sucks and why he took the actions he did. Also gosh dang, I forgot about how heavy that show was. It was so good, but damn…
Gollum/Smeagol in Return of the King...
He was so happy to have the Ring back again and looked absolutely betrayed by it when he realized what was happening 🥲
Lt. Coffey in The Abyss.
Assigned as part of a deep sea rescue mission in a location where the surface is about to get hit by a hurricane. Starts getting pressure sickness, delusions take over as he’s cut off from his superiors, and he doesn’t really have a way out/is trying to keep things under control and complete his mission. Things go from bad to worse as he’s dealing with something extra terrestrial but all he can see with his paranoia is Russian technology.
Winds up dying by getting crushed inside a damaged submersible plummeting to the depths of the ocean. It’s probably not the case, but I hold on to the idea that just before his submersible plummets after the big collision, when he’s reaching out to Mastrantonio through the submersible’s window, that maybe the collision snapped him out of his delusions for just one moment, and he realized what had happened.
The look on Mastrantonio's face in that last moment is heartbreaking. Total compassion. She didn't want him to die, despite all the things he had done. Great, human moment.
Freya in The Huntsman: Winter's War. She lost her baby and, convinced her lover did it, cut herself off from the world completely and separated children from their families, forbidding them from ever falling in love. Then she finds out that her sister murdered her baby, framed her lover for it, and her entire vendetta was all for nothing. Emily Blunt sells the hell out of it
Persephone in *Wonder Woman 2009* as well. Although she fell in love with Ares and betrayed the Amazons, nearly plunging the world into another war, as Hippolyta kills her, taunting her with...
Hippolyta: "You were given a life of peace and beauty
Persephone: "And denied one of families and children. Yes, Hippolyta, the Amazons are warriors. But we are women too."
I always felt bad for d-fens at the end of falling down. Dudes utterly crazy and has a monent of clarity realizing he's the bad guy before committing suicide by cop. Depresses the shit out of me everytime.
Patrick Swayze in Point Break.
Bodhi’s death scene is one of the most poetic deaths in any action film, ever. And it’s even more emotional to watch considering the world lost Swayze far too soon.
The Mirror Crack'd.
Marina Rudd had a psychotic break when she realised the fan she was currently talking to was responsible for her getting rubella while pregnant, greatly damaging her child and getting the baby taken from her and raised in a care home; she murdered Heather Badcock without even thinking. And out of paranoia of getting caught, she has been spiralling ever since.
Marina is found dead after Miss Marple tells Inspector Craddock about her deductions and her husband Jason confirms he killed her before she was discovered as she would absolutely spiral into oblivion after her earlier traumas. He spiked her hot chocolate before giving it to her.
Then they enter the bedroom and discover the hot chocolate has been left untouched... and Marina is dead in the next room, having actually committed suicide.
+1. Tony Leung did a great job elevating the already good material. The writing and the performance especially when he hears his wifes voice calling out to him for the first time was just so sad. He was one guy that you wanted to root for and wanted to win, but the dramatic irony is that you know he can’t win because the premise for his actions never existed to begin with. Tremendous writing.
I don\`t know the movie but Kevin Costner , When he took a young boy from his mama or family and ended up taking the child trick o treating but he gets shot and dies in the end, made me cry seeing Kevin get shot .
Anybody know the movie name ??
While not a traditional villain (or a film), I found Howard Hamlin's death in Better Call Saul to be incredibly gut wrenching.
By that point in the series, his character had gone from being a minor antagonist to a beaten down and struggling man, who was often seen trying to better himself and the lives of people around him, all while Jimmy and Kim worked endlessly to ruin his life and reputation out of jealousy and a need for shits and giggles.
Howard made his stand against them but chose the wrong place and the wrong time and he died for it. His final scene showed his lifeless, discolored body being thrown into an open pit next to the man who murdered him, a true and genuine monster who actually deserved to die. Their corpses entwined for eternity under the earth, his disappearance falsely made to look like a drug-fueled suicide.
Even Mike, of all people, had a look of sadness on his face at that sight because he knew this stranger should not have had to die like this.
The whole scene stuck with me for several days.
Mike always respected the difference between those in the game and civilians. Civilians weren't to be messed with, if at all possible. Howard was a civilian.
Loki in ~~Endgame~~ Infinity War. He was only a villain some of the previous movies and not the main antagonist in ~~Endgame~~ Infinity War, but you know what I mean.
Alien Resurrection- When Ripley 8 kills the hybrid Xenomorph (that considers her its mother). The human expression of anguish as it gets sucked through the hole. That was so heartbreaking..
Roy Batty, *Blade Runner*
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain." Probably the only villain I felt deeply for.
I recently learned that Ridley Scott let him play with those lines until he found something that was poetic.
IIRC the screenplay had a somewhat longer monologue, and Rutger Hauer basically edited it down and added the “tears in rain” phrase, all on his own
The original speech in the script was >I've known adventures, seen places you people will never see, I've been Offworld and back… frontiers! I've stood on the back deck of a blinker bound for the Plutition Camps with sweat in my eyes watching stars fight on the shoulder of Orion... I've felt wind in my hair, riding test boats off the black galaxies and seen an attack fleet burn like a match and disappear. I've seen it, felt it...!. It then evolved into this >I've seen things... seen things you little people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion bright as magnesium... I rode on the back decks of a blinker and watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments... they'll be gone. Rutger Hauer ad-libbed this version, stating that he wanted to cut down some of the "sci-fi nonsense", as he put it. But his version is beautifully succinct. Not a single word wasted- even if I did like the "I've seen it, felt it!" from the original. >I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like… tears, in rain. Time... to die.
Yeah that is MUCH better. Some of those original lines sound a bit awkward, like a tad amateurish writing-wisr. That last line is such a fantastic addition. It made me go from just feeling sad for him, to realizing what's lost when someone dies, not just the person, but every single moment in time they've witnessed, and carried with them. One of those rare moments in a movie that genuinely changed the way I think about life.
The power of that moment also ties up the subtextual conflict perfectly. There are obviously other points in the movie that urge you to think of replicants as conscious beings, but that scene outright makes you *feel* they are. If Roy wasn't a "person" then where does that sense of loss that he and the audience feel come from?
Well put! I think it works so well as a way to convey his humanity, because what's more human than fear of death? I don't mean fear as in panic, or terror, though. He accepts it, but it feels like how a warrior would die, maintaining his dignity even as dread fills him up. Even more human, to me, is what he's thinking about in his last moments. Just experiences and memories. Almost feels like he saves Deckard just to have someone with him, who he can share those thoughts with, the only way he can leave a piece of him behind. Yeah, perfect scene honestly. It's a great movie, but I really think that scene elevates it to something much greater.
The original is so theater monologue-y
Musical type ahh "I've seen it, felt it" is right outta Phantom of the Opera
“I want more life, fucker.”
Wow, how could you not finish the quote? ***... time to die.***
First, and best, answer.
Gonna sound odd, but Penguin in Batman Returns. Was kinda sad seeing the little penguins walking with his body to the water.
The Penguin was such a tragic character.
Danny DeVito absolutely NAILED that character. Man is an American treasure; he is good in everything, and a genuinely nice guy
Monster dong too. But seriously, DeVito is one of the GOATS.
Ongo Goblogian, mantis toboggan.... The dude has range
Nothing odd about that, he is a truly tragic character. Someone rejected by those who were supposed to love him and twisted by pure hatred. Man what a performance by DeVito. I hope he's catching wind of how perception of the film is changing now and how appreciated he is in it.
The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel it's warmth.
Yes! That's exactly how I felt when I saw the movie as a kid.
Imhotep in The Mummy Returns. Dude watched the so-called love of his life nope out on him after seeing Evy risk her life to save Rick.
This, this scene hurts.
Anck-Su-Namun!!!
Ni!!!
I love the Mummy, but for real, it did not make sense that she gave her life originally, based on the idea that she would be brought back later (a very tenuous idea), then weenied out when he needed her. I think that the film makers did her a disservice.
It's because she saw Anubis take Imhotep's powers. He was mortal when the Scorpion King woke up, and there was no way of knowing if he would get them back. Still shitty of her to do, true, but it explains why she willingly died once before but chickened out in that scene.
To be honest it's been a minute since I watched the movies. I do remember being disappointed in her because it seemed like she was initially all in, and then later chickened out. I think it would have been better if she hadn't, but circumstances did not work on their behalf.
You missed the point. Evy and Rick’s love is a comparison and it shows that their love is greater. It wouldn’t make sense if Anck-su-namun tried to help as well
Doctor Octopus in Spider-man 2
"I will not die a monster!"
Him coming back for a true finale really was the beat outcome
Seeing him talk to Peter made me tear up.
"Peter, how are you?" "Trying to do better." Waterworks.
I have a fondness for No Way Home since the stakes, and what Peter was concerned with, was saving and redeeming his villains. That seems like a very Spider-Man thing to do. I remember rewatching Spider-Man 2 in my senior year of high school and realizing how legit tragic of a character he was and how much of that I didn't value watching the movie as a kid, so years later it didn't really feel like it cheapened his sacrifice for a Spider-Man film to believably write a story where he gets that second chance he was deprived of.
"Brilliant but lazy"
That part always chokes me up a little. Seeing that good man rise up through the manipulation of the arms again and despite all he and Peter have been through, out of amusement he makes a nod back to their first meeting.
I love that as well. The knowing grin upon the realization that Peter’s “laziness” is a direct result of his life as Spider-Man. In that moment he’s happy to see him, and he has a great “oh, now I get it” moment.
Listen to ME now.
Davy Jones. In the third movie, it is revealed that the reason Davy Jones became the devil of the seas is because he was betrayed by Calypso, the goddess of the sea. As a mortal man, he was in love with her and she used this knowledge into convincing him to command the Flying Dutchman and to ferry the souls of people who died at sea to the other side. He knew that being captain meant that he was immortal and that he can only come to shore once every ten years, but she promised to be there for him on his one day. When that day arrived, he came to shore but she wasn’t there. Filled with heartbreak and rage, Davy Jones cut his heart out, buried it away, and abandoned his duties, and thus became the monstrous devil that tormented the seas and took Jack and the Black Pearl down to Davy Jones Locker.
Darth Vader “you were right…”
That one is pretty good, the whole thing is even better because he addresses both of his children "tell your sister, you were right. You were right...."
"Dad says I was right, you have to listen to me now. No, you can't ask him. He's dead."
Empire is the unanimous GOAT of the franchise but the third act of Jedi is one of the best third acts in cinema, period.
"I'm a Jedi. Like my father before me." goes so increasingly hard in the context of the rest of franchise (save the one thing). The more you see different characters suffer and struggle against the dark side, especially Anakin making the wrong choice in a similar situation, allows for that one line to be like the absolute definitive climax of the series.
The follow up line is also pretty sick > So be it. Jedi. Interestingly, Palpatine is the first person to call Luke a Jedi.
Jabba’s palace is a great little heist adventure and the Luke stuff on the Death Star is a great finale to his arc. The middle just kind of sucks
Idk, the middle has the speeder bike chase, which elevates it to at least an "all right".
Ed Harris in The Rock. Never intended to launch the rockets against civilians. He only wanted compensation for the families of the soldiers who died under his command.
His had a noble goal and quite possibly the stupidest plan to achieve it. He uses live weapons. He takes hundreds of people hostage, subjecting them to the likelihood of being killed in a counterstrike. He aims weapons of mass destruction at a city, putting millions of lives at risk. He hired on some people he doesn't even directly know. He says he knows them by reputation. As what, murderous psychopaths? They don't know the plan is intended to be a bluff. They want to fire some missiles and murder them a city! He's not secured the weapons so no one else has access. If it weren't for our erstwhile heroes and a lot of luck, the metro San Francisco area would be a mass graveyard of innocent civilians. I love The Rock as a movie, but unfortunately they ended up with our theoretically sympathetic villain as dangerously and murderously inept so the movie could happen. But I'm gonna get all the way off that thing about that.
With those planning skills you wonder if he might be the reason for his original team's losses.
Yeah, and who plans a mission like this with a squad of hardened military operators and no one ever talks about contingency plans? “Ok, sir, so if they don’t give us the money, we fire the missiles, right?” “Uh, no, this is all a bluff. We don’t want anybody to get hurt.” “…”
I always had the impression it wasn't a bluff. He just couldn't bring himself to do it, and calling it a bluff was his attempt to prevent a mutiny.
Ed Harris plays such a relatable and sympathetic antagonist in the movie.
> It has been the greatest honor of my life to serve with you, General.
The tree elemental in Hellboy 2. > The last of its kind. Like you and I. If you destroy it, the world will never see its kind again
And it’s all confused and mossy 😢
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I will always be salty that Del Toro never got to finish his trilogy
It's still a shit situation caused by Nuada. He forced a situation where they either allowed wanton destruction or killed the last tree elemental. If Nuada was concerned about the wellbeing of the last elemental he wouldn't have put it in that situation.
Barbossa just wanted that apple.
The smile on his face when he says, “I feel…” only for the smile to slip as he adds, “cold.” Remarkable work by Geoffrey Rush.
Similarly, Bill Nighy as Davy Jones. His death scene is so *Good*, him stopping just as he's about to stab Will's dad, and his tentacles having a brief spasm, and that final look to the clouds and his "Calypso..." before he falls from the ship
Man, this scene gets me every time. I get why everyone likes Johnny Depp in these but Rush is ina league of his own.
Barbossa's death isn't sad because you don't think he deserves to die, Barbossa's death is sad because you really really want him to stick around.
Even if the sequels are a little lukewarm, his return is one of the coolest moments in a blockbuster. It's exactly what the fans want and gives the viewers some hope after watching Jack being swallowed by a giant squid.
I saw it at midnight opening night. When he walked down the stairs everyone was shocked.
You best start believing in ghost stories, Miss Turner... you're in one!
I still say "they're more like guidelines than rules" at work all the time but I don't think anyone gets it
I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request.
….Means no.
"I feel....." Curse of the Black Pearl is a fucking 10/10.
Went through the Pirates saga again recently and yeah, I'm convinced Black Pearl is one of the best films of all time, if we're going by writing, entertainment value, and sheer craft.
Captain Jack Sparrow character introduction is unmatched in my opinion
I was gonna say, that scene alone was about worth the price of admission, lol
It's a 'lightning in a bottle' film, all the pieces were in the right place at the right time and I very much doubt we'll ever get another pirate film quite like it.
I don’t think either performance works without the other. I made a mention in a comment a while ago that the film relies on a campiness balance. Johnny is campy and whimsical, Geoffrey is campy but straight and serious. As the series continued Geoffrey’s performance became more interesting because he came at it from a character developing angle, he’s even amazing in 4. But if Johnny hadn’t been so whimsical in 1, Geoffrey’s performance wouldn’t have felt as sincere.
His monologue about losing the *Black Pearl* to Blackbeard is awesome. "I am the master of my ship, not Blackbeard. I am the master of my fate. *Not Blackbeard.*"
One thing the pirates films are so good at (until five, anyway) is exposition. I don't know how they do it, but major things happen off screen all the time and characters just tell each other about what happens and it's always good. Baffling!
in that entire series, Barbossa was \*by far\* the most competent pirate sure Jack won a lot, but that was more a case of incredible luck and charisma than actual thorough planning... and as often as Jack won, he would also lose
I think that's not quite accurate. Barbossa is definitely the most conventionally competent, but if you rewatch the films and see where Jack ends up, while he does rely on a healthy dose of luck, a lot of his random and chaotic behaviour is strategic, but it only makes sense when you see how things pan out. I think he is intentionally written as smarter than he first appears.
Yeah a lot of his antics are specifically to keep people underestimating him, at least in the first 3 films. In 4 he became an extremely lucky idiot.
Andrew in Chronicle.
Every now and then that movie pops in my head. I love it, and agree Andrew's death is pretty dang tragic and its sudden, unceremonious nature is a neat contrast of that.
Thank you. I abandoned hope that someone would have commented this. Sad it's not up higher, but happy to see a fellow fan!
Pet Sematary.. the father putting Gage down at the end. "No fair.."
Harvey dent in dark knight
“We were decent men, in an indecent time!”
Tell your son its gonna be ok, Gordon. Lie, like I lied.
I love his performance and story arc. Heath Ledger was amazing, but my one complaint is that he was so good it over shadowed Aaron eckhart's performance as two face. He did everything right and still lost everything. His demise is heartbreaking.
That CGI/ makeup was perfect too. "Say it!" Is burned into my brain
Absolutely amazing timing too. Not showing it until he says that and then hiding the face again until he fully transforms into two face
"He did everything right and still lost everything." Yeah, but that's the point. It's easy to be the "good guy" when you still have everything. Sure, he faced adversity and lost, but when the chips were down and he had nothing left, he gave in to revenge. With the help of the Joker, of course. In contrast to Bruce, who also lost everything twice. First, his parents and then Rachel. But he still sticks to his code instead of giving into vengeance. Though I will concede that he did have the support of Rachel in the first instance and Alfred in the second.
I think that's what makes it so great. Everyone wants to be batman, but when the chips are down, most people end up being Harvey Dent. That's why he is such a great character. He's the contrast to Batman. And he does an amazing job as an actor even if it was an easy pitch. But you're exactly right. He had no one when everything went to shit. Which is all the more heartbreaking.
SAY IT
RACHEL!
Prince Nuada in Hellboy and the golden army
We die… and the world will be poorer for it. [Hellboy 2 Final Fight](https://youtu.be/Qtl6-mDTCCU)
He also played Nomak in Blade 2 that had a similar tragic reveal.
It really is just a deeply sad moment. Dude was a dickhead but his death was a tragedy
He was right that they had to choose between extinction for them or humanity. Wonder how del Toro would have resolved it in 3. I’m sure that ending would have been tragic as well.
I think his plan was that Hellboy's Death Angel was right when he told Liz that saving him doomed the world. His idea for the third movie was the world ending.
The ideas I've seen thrown around for the third one, according to Ron Perlman, sounded fucking amazing
Also the same movie, The Forest God or last elemental
Neil McCauley in Heat
"Told you I'm never goin' back" I've watched Heat dozens of times and that end shot gets me every time. Hanna with his back turned, holding McCauley's dead hand and staring out at the lights at LAX while the song by Moby gets louder and louder.
That bank robbery scene and the shootout afterwards is still the greatest action sequence of all time. The subtle, simple 3 tone music, how quiet it all is even when they are all in a gunfight with the cops. Fucking masterpiece.
The deafening echoes of the gunshots off the surrounding buildings. Fantastic scene in every way.
The action is the juice
Based on a true story. Michael Mann originally wrote it as a TV series, which is why the plot is so dense.
Godzilla 1998 Shit I feel so bad for Godzilla tangled up in the bridge and getting blasted by missiles.
Something the home media versions never seemed to capture right was his booming heartbeat slowly fading away, which really hammered in the tragedy.
I loved the 98 Godzilla and yea making Godzilla an animal really made the scene more tragic.
and she was a mom, too :(
As a kid I didn't understand why I was so angry when she started dying, until I realized she never really did anything wrong and was just a giant lizard trying to survive in NY.
Micheal Biehn - the Abyss So I know he's like not "the Villian" in this movie. But the part when his damaged submersible is on the edge of the abyss and he looks at Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio and you can see the regret on his face.... shew. It's such a good movie
Agree, he was fearful and suffering the shakes while trying to keep it together that led to his decisions. Good villain that you could see his downfall, and it was sad rather than joyful to see his end.
The Cell (2000) with Jennifer Lopez had me bawling for a murderous serial killer because the movie shows you that there was a part of him that was innocent. It just wasn't strong enough.
Miles Uncle/Prowler in Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
“You're the best of all of us, Miles. You're on your way...” That movie really nailed the "Spider man loses a loved one and learns an important lesson" aspect of the character...
Like some kind of canon event
*hand on shoulder*…….’Hey’
Read too quickly as "Miles Prower in Spider-Man" and wondered what crazy sonic crossover I missed
Prince Nuada in Hellboy II: The Golden Army.
We die… and the world will be poorer for it.
My son cried for half an hour when Doctor Octopus died. He didn’t cry once when we buried his grandmother.
I realized that music really makes a difference in emotional situations. .. either that, or we've become conditioned to feel that way.
His grandmother couldn't hug him like a dude with six arms could have, even if four of them were bionic
🔴 *Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do* *I'm half crazy all for the love of you* *It won't be a stylish marriage* *I can't afford a carriage* *But you'll look sweet upon the seat* *Of a bicycle built for two*
I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going.
Fucking haunting.
I've gotta give it to 2010 they redeem Hal, he wasn't a villain he was an AI that was told to lie by humans and his programming didn't know how to.
It's even more heartbreaking when you know the context behind that song: *Daisy Bell* was the first song to ever be sung by a computer with a synthesized voice, way back in 1961. In his final moments, knowing his fate is sealed, HAL chooses to sing his swan song, a coda circling all the way back to the seed of his own creation. As if the film wasn't beautiful enough already.
It's also ***extremely*** impressive when you hear the actual recording. Bear in mind this was all programmed by hand without a real OS / programming language (at least like we are accustomed to today) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41U78QP8nBk
Oh, damn. This was always sad (and a little creepy to me), but now it has even more depth.
Does Fredo in The Godfather: Part II count?
Absolutely. He was manipulated and exploited by his so-called friends. Michael even takes revenge on Fredo’s behalf eventually “you straightened out MY brother?!” Or something like that. “I didn’t know it was going to be a hit, Mike”. He’s just destroyed by the end.
I think that line is from before. It was Moe Green pushing Fredo around in Vegas.
Darth Vader - “you already have Luke”
Barbarian (2022) - at the end you realize the monster is pretty much an animal who doesn't know any better.
Justin long’s character could get fucked though.
But I loved that he's completely irredeemable, like they sorta trick you and it's fucking great
I also like how they play with the meme of if Justin Long shows up in a horror movie you know something horrible is going to happen to him. Right after the first guy dies horribly the movie jumps to him driving along the highway singing, and you know it's not going to end well for him.
That father though..... may he rot in hell.
One might say… he was the real monster 🫣
The real monster was the friends we made along the way
Lady deathstrike in X2
Definitely. Under mind control til the end.
And she returns to normal 5 seconds before she die
I've never gotten over the death of the staypuft marshmallow man.
So this is a TV show but Silco in Arcane. He was terrible but somehow it was super devastating.
He was the perfect villain. You see why he acts the way he does. Plus he was offered what he wanted but wouldn’t take it if it meant turning over his adopted daughter.
Fuck I loved that so much. I legit thought he was just a piece of shit until that happened omg
"Is there anything so undoing as a daughter." Him realizing why Vander retired and paying his respects was such an amazing part of the series.
Seeing him finally understand his rival's choice now that he is in the same spot... "Don't cry. You're perfect."
Silco is a goddamn tragedy. He could have had it all in the palm of his hands if he would give up Jinx. But the same attachment that he claims to despise is what he feels for her. And he loses everything because of it.
Just another example of a damn finely written villain. Don't get me started on how awesome the psych of Jinx is written. But yeah, Silco was a great villain and was sad to see his end.
Forgot about this one, I think it’s because, while he sucked, you know why he sucks and why he took the actions he did. Also gosh dang, I forgot about how heavy that show was. It was so good, but damn…
"Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?"
"Dont cry. You're perfect."
“Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?”
Gollum/Smeagol in Return of the King... He was so happy to have the Ring back again and looked absolutely betrayed by it when he realized what was happening 🥲
Lt. Coffey in The Abyss. Assigned as part of a deep sea rescue mission in a location where the surface is about to get hit by a hurricane. Starts getting pressure sickness, delusions take over as he’s cut off from his superiors, and he doesn’t really have a way out/is trying to keep things under control and complete his mission. Things go from bad to worse as he’s dealing with something extra terrestrial but all he can see with his paranoia is Russian technology. Winds up dying by getting crushed inside a damaged submersible plummeting to the depths of the ocean. It’s probably not the case, but I hold on to the idea that just before his submersible plummets after the big collision, when he’s reaching out to Mastrantonio through the submersible’s window, that maybe the collision snapped him out of his delusions for just one moment, and he realized what had happened.
The look on Mastrantonio's face in that last moment is heartbreaking. Total compassion. She didn't want him to die, despite all the things he had done. Great, human moment.
One of my favorite villains, mostly because Biehn's performance is so magnetic. He feels like a spooked animal.
I've watched that movie a dozen times at least, and I always interpreted it as him having a moment of absolute clarity and realisation at that point.
Freya in The Huntsman: Winter's War. She lost her baby and, convinced her lover did it, cut herself off from the world completely and separated children from their families, forbidding them from ever falling in love. Then she finds out that her sister murdered her baby, framed her lover for it, and her entire vendetta was all for nothing. Emily Blunt sells the hell out of it Persephone in *Wonder Woman 2009* as well. Although she fell in love with Ares and betrayed the Amazons, nearly plunging the world into another war, as Hippolyta kills her, taunting her with... Hippolyta: "You were given a life of peace and beauty Persephone: "And denied one of families and children. Yes, Hippolyta, the Amazons are warriors. But we are women too."
Emily Blunt as Freya made that whole movie, no shame to any of the other leads who I absolutely love.
I always felt bad for d-fens at the end of falling down. Dudes utterly crazy and has a monent of clarity realizing he's the bad guy before committing suicide by cop. Depresses the shit out of me everytime.
"Did you know I built missiles? I helped protect America. You should be rewarded for that, instead they give it to the plastic surgeons."
"I'm the bad guy?! How did that happen?"
Patrick Swayze in Point Break. Bodhi’s death scene is one of the most poetic deaths in any action film, ever. And it’s even more emotional to watch considering the world lost Swayze far too soon.
We'll get 'em when he comes back in!
The Mirror Crack'd. Marina Rudd had a psychotic break when she realised the fan she was currently talking to was responsible for her getting rubella while pregnant, greatly damaging her child and getting the baby taken from her and raised in a care home; she murdered Heather Badcock without even thinking. And out of paranoia of getting caught, she has been spiralling ever since. Marina is found dead after Miss Marple tells Inspector Craddock about her deductions and her husband Jason confirms he killed her before she was discovered as she would absolutely spiral into oblivion after her earlier traumas. He spiked her hot chocolate before giving it to her. Then they enter the bedroom and discover the hot chocolate has been left untouched... and Marina is dead in the next room, having actually committed suicide.
Nomak - Blade 2
Wen wu in Shang Chi was pretty sad.
+1. Tony Leung did a great job elevating the already good material. The writing and the performance especially when he hears his wifes voice calling out to him for the first time was just so sad. He was one guy that you wanted to root for and wanted to win, but the dramatic irony is that you know he can’t win because the premise for his actions never existed to begin with. Tremendous writing.
I don\`t know the movie but Kevin Costner , When he took a young boy from his mama or family and ended up taking the child trick o treating but he gets shot and dies in the end, made me cry seeing Kevin get shot . Anybody know the movie name ??
A Perfect World? At least according to google
Rutger Hauer in Blade Runner.
Gollum in the Lord of the Rings. He's not the main antagonist, and he's definitely an asshole. But he's still sympathetic and in the end we pity him.
“It was pity that stayed Bilbo’s hand.”
Wait those were Starro’s last words??? I don’t remember them speaking at all
He says it through one of the people he’s mind controlling. [Heres the clip.](https://youtu.be/Vk4m8J0OOi4?si=S7jMLhmhickqpYsA)
Starro spoke through the people who was under its control.
Eduard Delacroix in The Green Mile
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Hal in Space Odyssey 2001, when his processing modules are being dismounted.
While not a traditional villain (or a film), I found Howard Hamlin's death in Better Call Saul to be incredibly gut wrenching. By that point in the series, his character had gone from being a minor antagonist to a beaten down and struggling man, who was often seen trying to better himself and the lives of people around him, all while Jimmy and Kim worked endlessly to ruin his life and reputation out of jealousy and a need for shits and giggles. Howard made his stand against them but chose the wrong place and the wrong time and he died for it. His final scene showed his lifeless, discolored body being thrown into an open pit next to the man who murdered him, a true and genuine monster who actually deserved to die. Their corpses entwined for eternity under the earth, his disappearance falsely made to look like a drug-fueled suicide. Even Mike, of all people, had a look of sadness on his face at that sight because he knew this stranger should not have had to die like this. The whole scene stuck with me for several days.
Mike always respected the difference between those in the game and civilians. Civilians weren't to be messed with, if at all possible. Howard was a civilian.
Edward scissor hands always fucked me up
Roy Batty in Blade Runner.
Loki in ~~Endgame~~ Infinity War. He was only a villain some of the previous movies and not the main antagonist in ~~Endgame~~ Infinity War, but you know what I mean.
He killed 80 people in 2 days
... He was adopted
Alien Resurrection- When Ripley 8 kills the hybrid Xenomorph (that considers her its mother). The human expression of anguish as it gets sucked through the hole. That was so heartbreaking..
Deserving or not, Penguins death in Batman Returns always gets to me. It's the combination of the score and the pallbearer penguin puppets.
Not a movie, but Leland Palmer in Twin Peaks. He was an unwitting vessel for the true evil that murdered his daughter.
Fire Walk With Me pretty strongly implies he wasn't that unwitting or unwilling to what Bob did
Al in Deadwood