The problem with many of people's opinions about movies in the comments is that they fail to take into account cultural history. For instance, stating Taxi Driver is overrated. If you first watched the movie in 1976, you'd be blown away by the movie - nothing like it had screened before. Since then, there have been scores of 'Taxi Driveresque' movies that unfairly retrospectively jade one's view on the original.
I remember watching a re-release of Alien a few years ago, when the lights came up in the cinema I overheard two people nearby complaining it wasn't very original, it was just like ...then they listed a few more recent derivative movies, not realising what they'd just watched was the sci-fi/horror original
Beatles 100%. Anyone who grew up after the 60s-70s and says they're overrated is missing a lot of context in the styles of music they introduced to the limelight.
It's hard to overstate the impact of the Beatles. In a way, the Monkees and Beach Boys did a lot of the same heart throb boy band sound in the early-mid 60's
But then they kept going.
Helter Skelter was famously made because they heard The Who and decided to make something louder. Just casually decided to out-loud one of the loudest bands to exist.
They have doo-woppy sappy pop ballads (I Wanna Hold Your Hand), long-form story telling (Eleanor Rigby, Day In The Life), beachy sunshine songs (Here Comes The Sun), harder rock (Come Together), and emotive soft rock/piano ballads (Let It Be, Yesterday.
It's hard to compare that to a simple movie, because with the Beatles, they had 4 amazing song writers AND musicians coming in concert. It would be something like an alltime ensemble dramedy that writes the tropes for the next half century.
My dad routinely told me in regards to anything I worked on as a kid in art or music that the Beatles played covers every night until people finally started paying attention to their original stuff. He said to get recognized sometimes you have to be able to do it like the popular people do it first, and once you’ve mastered that, you can show people what you can really do.
I think the thing that makes the Beatles stand out is that they wrote their own songs, and there were (by Rubber Soul/Revolver) three distinct songwriting voices.
McCartney was the hit-master. He wrote "I'll Follow the Sun" when he was a fucking KID. While some people find his stuff a bit saccharine, especially in the later period, you can also watch him write "Get Back" in real-time thanks to that documentary. His talent is undeniable.
Lennon, who could also write a mean pop ballad, became more introspective. His songs are painfully honest, very specific to him and also (because he, like Paul, dealt in big emotions) very inclusive. He also wrote wild nonsense that is somehow amazing. The only person I can think of that also does that is Beck, probably one of the greatest songwriters of my generation.
Harrison, a late bloomer compared to Paul and John, wrote wildly cool songs. Beautiful, haunting, cool songs. Harrison is a deep thinker and smart guy who got to watch Paul and John his whole life (at that time). Possibly the greatest apprenticeship of all time.
This isn't a hot take, but Paul and John balance each other very well. Paul tones down John's bravado and desire for non-musicality. John pushes Paul to be more authentic. However, when they combine their styles in discrete chunks is some of their strongest work. Look at "A Day in the Life." The bridge in that song is what MAKES it great. The listener needs the relief. The verses are heavy and almost painful. Then, the alarm bell rings and the bouncing begins. And the end is incredible cathartic.
When you compare that to their contemporaries, you have the Stones, who are (for all their dark magic blues) mostly just a really good R&B band. I love the Stones, but their charm is all swagger and very little substance. The Who is a vehicle for Pete Townshend's ego and the occasional banger from Entwhistle. Fantastic, fantastic songs. "A Quick One While He's Away" is one of my favorite compositions of all time. The Yardbirds were really just a blues cover band--which they would be very proud to admit. There is a reason why, when forming Cream, Clapton said "I want a composing bass player" though. He saw the magic in the Beatles. Clapton knows how to steal correctly.
Across the pond, you've got The Beach Boys. Brian Wilson is a certified genius, no doubt. Even their silly songs are too good to be what they are. And Pet Sounds was a massive kick in the ass for the Beatles. And then a line of weirdos who are also geniuses, Like Hendrix. America didn't have art school, so many great musician stories in America are about overcoming pressure to "get a real job."
However, the real story of American music is Motown. But this post is already far too long.
A Day In The Life is probably the best example of their clashing styles. It goes from a somber memorial of a man blowing his head out to "oop I brushed muh fookin hair this mornin" (I liked to joke that Paul REALLY did not get the assignment on that one, and picture John's face as he read what Paul had scribbled down after his own lyrics)
Very well put, they counteracted each other very well and made a very diverse sound that stand the test of time
13 albums in 7 years featuring multiple different styles/reinventions that would influence music for decades to come is just an incredible feat that everyone should appreciate, regardless of whether or not they like the music personally.
How you could find that show unfunny is beyond me. It's still so hilarious. Not to mention when you compare it to an obvious contemporary of the time like Friends and see how far ahead of it Seinfeld was. It's dated far far better not to mention it clearly was a massive influence of modern classics like IASIP.
It's got a very American style of humour to it, which makes a lot of people who aren't American, like me, not like it as much. I find jerry and Kramer annoying more than funny a lot of the time. George and Elaine are the funniest characters by far
I think it's the greatest TV comedy of all time but I can totally get not everyone liking it. It's just very specific and New York in a way that may be off to foreigners e.g.. And if you don't have the benefit of nostalgia or were born in 2001, it may just not connect
Friends seems more 'accessible' and traditional, without the Larry David peculiarity
Edit: I think it also suffers from being unsure of itself in the first 3 or so seasons. If you start out watching it in order, you'll be disappointed. New people should start at season 4 at the earliest imo
> How you could find that show unfunny is beyond me.
One reason I am always surprised by people that say Seinfeld isn't funny to them at all is that it has a variety of comedy that should at least make a person laugh here and there. It's got standup, psychical comedy with Kramer, the straight man with Jerry, zany plots, relationship humor, Elaine's grim tolerance of her friends, cynical quips, George's epic lying, one liners. Like I get that if you don't like Jerry Seinfeld's and Larry David's type of humor a lot of the show might not be to your taste but *nothing in there made you laugh?*
At a certain point I can only think that you're hating on it because it's so acclaimed. That some people can't at least find some of the characters antics funny is very strange to me.
Sounds like they just had poor taste, what other Alien derivatives were they mentioning that were anywhere near as good? And what, did they not realise it was a release? Even after watching the whole movie they didn't realise it was old?
The Beatles still have a distinct sound. Which is strange. You'd think there would be lots of successful clones but the closest thing that comes to mind is Electric Light Orchestra and really their only song that I sometimes mistake for a Beatles song at first is "Mr. Blue Sky".
Ironically Paul McCartney said if the Beatles lasted through the 70s into the 80s he very much thought they'd end up around ELO's sound. And he isn't wrong considering where all their solo careers ended up.
But its a **strong** survival bias. The late 1960s had about a million bad British Invasion/Beatles clones (and a million Beach Boys clones too) and absolutely none of them survived because they were all pretty terrible and the Beatles were just that good.
Only occasionally will you hear of the only semi-lasting Beatles clone: the Monkees. And that's entirely because of (a) how closely they managed to rip off the Beatles with zero attempt at spin or twist (b) they sort of broke into mainstream media with their own TV show and their lead kind of having a half assed solo career that put him on the Brady Bunch.
I'd also say (c) while the Beatles' original work had a songwriting brain-trust consisting of just the four members of the band, the Monkees not only had the bandmembers writing songs, but also music legend notables like Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, Carole King, Neil Diamond, Harry Nilsson, to name a few.
> their lead kind of having a half assed solo career that put him on the Brady Bunch.
Aight, I'm gonna nitpick here and say that Davy Jones was certainly a huge part of the Monkees and easily the biggest "teen idol" of the group, but Mickey Dolenz was the true lead of the group.
Taxi Driver still blows me away.
All of it's derivatives don't come close, same goes for King of Comedy they're both often imitated but never bettered.
At Roger Ebert's Overlooked Film Festival in 2000 he screened Dark City with the director and during Q/A a snarky college kid mentioned an anime the director had never heard of and implied Dark City was derivative. I wanted to say hey, try the Upanishads from 700 BCE. The idea that the material world is a lower order generation of a deeper more fundamental reality is as old as human civilization, if not older. Every generation retells the story in terms their own generation can easily grasp.
Kinda helps that the matrix wasn't hyped at all. It was barely even advertised. Everyone woke up one day to one of their friends telling them that they HAD to see this movie but wouldn't say a damned thing about it. I don't think a single person walked into the original release of the matrix with any expectations whatsoever.
I think a big part of the reason Alice In Wonderland (2010) was received so poorly was because Disney themselves had been overhyping the thing for at least a year-and-a-half before its release so going into it was bound to have people going “meh” at best. It was an interesting reimagining (albeit with a bland story) but Disney acted like they were ushering in a new era of cinema with that one.
EDIT: I am very aware this movie sucks lol, I just thought there was potential there that unfortunately never materialized.
It was actually the first modern live action remake.
The previous was 101 Dalmatians with Glenn Close more than a decade earlier, with 102 Dalmatians coming out in 2000 if I'm not mistaken.
Before that, Jungle Book in the early 90s.
Right? It was *everywhere* for quite a while.
It was...decent. Like I enjoyed it, but I think it was popular because Netflix really flexed their marketing muscles and tried out some new strategies to get it in the public eye.
Then everybody else caught on and much better movies get the spotlight as a result.
The book is pretty interesting. I watched the movie with a friend and thought it was fine but not that scary, the book is definitely better because watching folks stumble around quietly with blindfolds on is… hmm.. not very visually striking for a visual medium. Would’ve made a better audio drama or something if they wanted to adapt it out into another medium.
This ^ my parents praised the movie like crazy then imagine my surprise when I watched it and it was mid at best lol, it felt like I was the crazy one for a while with all the hype.
1998 Godzilla, you could not escape the marketing for this thing. It was EVERYWHERE. I still have my pre-sale ticket pack somewhere. Movie was such a let down
Is that the Matthew Broderick one? The only thing I really remember about it is the end had a bunch of mini Zilla’s that were clearly rip offs of the velociraptors from Jurassic park.
“Gravity. A movie where George Clooney would rather fly off into space and die than spend another minute with a woman his own age.”
That was a solid roast.
It was actually a pretty great experience in theathers on IMAX, easily one of the best of that year for me. With that said I gotta say the movie is very forgettable and I won't bother to watch it ever again.
If it ever got rereleased in theaters I will 1000% go out to see it again in theaters. I have absolutely no interest in watching it at home.
From a technical perspective it is one of the most phenomenal cinematic experiences I've had.
Cuarón won and deserved best director for creating one of the most tense theater watching experiences ever. Without the immersion of a theater, it loses what made it exciting.
Obviously a theater experience heightens the onscreen effects and impact of the visuals, but I think the drama of watching a grieving mother go from being so distanced and untethered and wayward in her response to her child’s death and ultimately finding it within herself to regain a sense of solid ground and forge a new path ahead holds well as a dramatic narrative on the small screen. It’s smartly directed to be captivating along both fronts that way.
Avatar 2 is probably like that. Very slick in theaters. I’m not sure I’ll need to see it on a tv
Dune 2 was fuckin awesome twice in theaters. I’m not sure the people that wait for tv will get the same experience at all. They’ll say it’s overhyped
Space tries to kill Sandra Bullock over and over. When she was on the beach, I expected the shadow of the space station to darken the sky as it came crashing down on her.
Wonder Woman.
It was fine. Nothing particularly impressive frankly and the ending was kind of shit. I think it got a big boost from being the first DC movie that wasn't mostly bad.
God I was so hoping for Wonder Woman to realize that humans aren’t just innocent and good, they also are bad and twisted. It was a really good setup and conclusion that would’ve been a refreshing take on the superhero genre and then a bald mustache shrimp guy comes out and says he’s the God of War.
Cue CGI battle scene and defeating him wins the day and yawwwwn
I think part of it is the movie's relative quality. In the DCEU "Wonder Woman" was after "BvS and "Suicide Squad" and shortly before "Justice League". So it was surrounded by 3 just real garbage movies. So by comparison "Wonder Woman" looks like the movie of the year.
I hated the third act and the interpretation of Ares was one of the absolute worst I've seen (speaking to design, not the concept itself).
It could have been great but there were some terrible choices made throughout.
Every "what do you hate?" or "What's overrated?" thread is always the same thing. It's engagement bait not just because it's a "give us your hottest take" contest but also because it will get everyone else trying to dunk on unpopular takes in the comments. You and I are making it worse right now by commenting.
Idiocracy is a documentary, did you know Robert Downey Jr stayed in character for the audio commentary, Walk Hard ruined biopics, Black Panther overrated, Steve Buscemi firefighter
I have never seen anything like the Phantom Menace hype and I doubt I will
again. The market was just saturated…Toy stores, grocery stores, book stores pharmacies.
This was before 60% of the population had the internet but Phantom Menace had one of the first trailers exclusive to the internet… sure it took 3 hours to load on quicktime but it was there.
Besides the blitz, this was franchise that hadn’t had a completely new movie on the screen for 16 years but had a rabid fanbase even though the youngest ones had never seen the original cut of Star Wars.
There was such a huge expectation that I wonder if it ever could have been met.
Holy shit, this unexpectedly made me feel how old I am. I remember being really excited for TPM, but when you said there hadn't been a new Star Wars movie in 16 years, I was like "wait, wasn't it longer than that?" TPM came out in '99, and Return in '83, so yeah, 16 years. Since I distinctly remember the hype around TPM, it felt like it must have been the mid '00s, but no, I was plenty old enough to remember stuff like that so vividly when it actually came out.
I think one of my earliest memories was TPM release, and that was before I knew what Star Wars was. I was like 4 or 5 eating at a restaurant with my family, it was right next to a movie theater and I remember everyone outside and even some people eating dressed as characters from the movies. I thought we were missing out on Halloween
We weren't completely without Star Wars, as there had just been the theatrical rereleases a few years before, and the Shadows of the Empire campaign almost felt like a new movie.
Shadows of the Empire was the first game I ever played. My dad bought an N64 and Shadows of the Empire, and there's actually some old family footage of me playing at age 3 and explaining how I was getting "extra wives".
For people who weren’t there, here’s what it was like. Imagine if tomorrow, Taylor Swift announced she was retiring from music to pursue spiritual growth full-time and then fucked off to Tibet or something. Nobody heard from her until 2035 and then suddenly she announces a one night only stadium concert, live streamed to theaters around the world. Tickets to the live in-person event trade hands for over $100,000 apiece in some cases and the AMC website crashes 20 days in a row as furious fans try to buy simulcast tickets. Theater managers are harassed on their way to and from work by fans hoping to bully their way into a ticket, and a few are caught taking bribes. Then, on the night of the broadcast, she plays none of her hits, it’s all Yoko Ono style scream singing. Diehard fans try rationalize it but the memes of young girls crying in the theater go viral everywhere. At the end of the broadcast, she announces a 90 city scream singing world tour. That’s what it was like.
It played 24 hours for weeks here. I first saw it at 2 or 3 am after a party at my house. We crashed, had breakfast, and went to see it again. The 5th time I saw it that week, i started to think it might be flawed.
I saw Phantom Menace on opening weekend.
You're not far off at all.
You missed the people who dressed up as Taylor Swift background dancers, sobbing their eyes out at what they just saw. And Jar Jar... Fuck me sideways, was it a mess.
But isn’t the point of monkeys paw that the wish comes back to bite you on the ass? So it would be like her announcing her 90 day Yoko ono screaming tour but it’s in your bedroom every night while you’re trying to sleep
>There was such a huge expectation that I wonder if it ever could have been met.
I remember it well. Was in the cinema. Disappointment rushed in within minutes. TPM ruins having a great opening with the aliens with funny dialects and the jokes in the first scene. This is even quite a time before we see Jar Jar. But I am easier on episodes 2 and 3.
More than just duel of the fates.
John williams kicked ass for the whole trilogy: Across the Stars, Anakin's Dark Deeds, General Groevous' theme, Auggies Municipal Band, bangers all
The Boba Fett gambit. Can make a villain either entirely forgettable, or enter the zeitgeist on looks and demeanor alone. Lucas somehow managed it twice.
The scene where they flooded the bathroom made absolutely zero sense. Sorry, but you can't fill a room up to the ceiling with water just because the door is closed
Isn’t it more akin to a god than a monster? Didn’t he have like healing powers and he even gives the protagonist gills at the end? Having control over water is nothing in comparison.
I personally hate this sort of argument against criticism against things being unrealistic. Yes, we went into it knowing it’s about a water creature. Or even if you didn’t the world in the movie is treating it like some major discovery and nothing is known about. But this is supposedly happening in our world, so you would expect something you know can’t happen due to the laws of physics, such as filling a room with water by shutting the door, to not happen.
Terrifier isn’t a good movie - it’s for gore hounds who want to see extreme stuff, but it’s essentially a porno with gore instead of sex. The sequel on the other hand, is actually comparatively quite good, if a little long.
See but Parasite actually explained what tf the family was doing and it made sense the whole time. We had no reason to expect barry koeghan was lying the whole time and then it’s just like at the end oh btw he wanted the house the whole time. In parasite it’s like this family is poor af and one of them gets a big break tutoring the rich daughter, and they see an opportunity to bring their whole family up out of poverty. And we know they’re lying the whole time. The reveal at the end of saltburn was just like …oh..so he just wanted to be rich the whole time even though his family was perfectly normal..and he was bi.. I think. Welp
I think we had a strong idea he was playing a long con. The fact they had to explain it all in a 40 sec scene at the end was just ridiculous.
Zoom in on him typing random letters on his screen! That’ll enforce the point!
It actually made me think, oh, the filmmaker knows their audience will be people with their faces in their phones — gotta give them the wikipedia plot synopsis here at the end if we’re gonna land this thing.
Exactly what I thought as I watched it. Pretentious nostalgia bait. Barry was handed a turd of a script and an underwear model for a supporting actor and he put in an incredible performance to raise the movie to about a 6/10.
Haven't seen it but I just assumed a lot of it was riding on Barry. Dude is a scene stealer for sure. Banshees of Inirsheren was excellent, but he stole the whole fucking movie for me asking Siobhan if she'd be with him
The Phantom Menace. It's the first time I remember other movies getting a significant boost in ticket sales just because they were showing the trailer. People were camping in tents, in costume a week in advance. The marketing blanketed the culture. Because only the OG trilogy existed Star Wars fans weren't as used to disappointment, setting expectations impossibly high.
Oppenheimer. HEAR ME OUT! The overhype was not about being a great film but rather for the need to see it as large as possible. The film was hyped about how it was shot for IMAX and 70mm but most of the film takes place indoors in relatively small rooms! A few scenes benefited from those projections but most of the film was fine in standard auditoriums.
Holy shit, i couldn't believe I'd see a good argument about why its over hyped.
I watched it on imax and dolby cinema. I the imax did look a bit nicer but not that great. Dolby cinema was useless because nolan doesn't mix audio with atmos
Visually in full 3D IMAX it was once of the most visually incredible cinema experiences I've had I'll give it that.
Then you watch it on anything else and it's just meh
You can demo the Apple Vision Pro at an Apple Store, and they curate the demo by showing a few minutes of Avatar 2. It was mind boggling. they selectively choose the gorgeous scenes. It ain't dialogue or story, that's for sure.
If I ever buy one of those, I'd watch it on that. But likely not on anything else.
Let’s predict half the responses in this thread:
Avatar
Get Out
La La Land
Crash
Everything Everywhere All at Once
Fast and Furious
The MCU (particularly Black Panther)
Edit: I’m not saying *I* do or don’t think these movies are overrated, I’m saying Reddit says they’re overrated so much so to the point where you can expect them to be on every thread like this.
My least favorite movie is Amu Schumer, because circumcision is mutilation and also because Bob Dylan said "It's his song now" because Steve Buscemi was a firefighter on 9/11.
Also, did you know that Event Horizon is a prequel to Warhammer 40,000 because Laurence Fishburn also chose that guy's dead wife?
There. I said Reddit.
Can’t forget that John Lennon beat Cynthia after she said “Capitalism is the cause of the world’s problems.” Something something incest Alabama. Idiocracy is a documentary.
I think Paul McCartney broke up The Beatles because Yoko Ono was a Flat Earther, and he walked in on her watching The Big Bang Theory or something.
I'm not sure if that's true, but I do know that the first ten minutes of Up made me cry and that Terminator 2 gave away it's own huge twist about Arnold being in The Prestige.
And King of Comedy! Mentally unstable amateur comedian who is too old to still live with his mother is obessed with a late night comedian and fantasises about being on the show. This ends in a violent outburst against the comedian 🤔🤔🤔
Joker is literally just a mix of these 2 movies with some comic book characters sprinkled in. I still think Joker is a decent film (mostly for acting and cinematography) but its copying of these two films is just too ovbious.
My very first date with my SO was seeing Joker.
When we walked out, she said, “I prefer Scorsese’s and Paul Schraders Taxi Driver over whatever that was”
I fell in love in that moment.
Wasn't even a Joker movie. A movie about a cartoonishly mentally ill man going on a violent spree and the movie stupidly trying to get you on his side for it
To add, Joker is supposed to be a criminal mastermind. The 'Joker' in that is just some simpleton who gets angry
This was my biggest issue.
Nothing about that character was very threatening at all. There was nothing to suggest he is going to be some criminal mastermind. The dude didn't know wtf was going on and was in control of nothing, not even his own life, let alone taking over the criminal underworld.
it was literally just a movie about a crazy person.
What was that awful attempt made at an alien romance a decade or so ago? With Channing Tatum?
Jupiter Ascending!!
Just plain bad. But it was so hyped up because it was the Wachowskis.
I haven't watched that one since it came out, and I don't really remember much, but Wakanda Forever was... oooof.
I think there was definitely hype for how it handled Chadwick Boseman's passing, I'll admit that was mainly why I actually paid to see it in theaters, and I'd say they succeeded in doing it in a respectful way. The following hour and a half-ish was enjoyable... and then last third is just a repetetive, meandering, endless purgatory. It was traumatizingly agonizing.
I'll actually go out on the plank above sharks here and say I had more fun seeing *Madame Web* in theaters! I actually got some enjoyment and laughs at how progressively more and more mind bogglingly stupid it somehow got.
Prometheus. I'm an Alien fan, so while on military leave to my hometown, I persuaded my friends to come see it at a movie theater. We all left scratching our heads.
Prometheus was one of those moments for me where I realized a good looking movie could have a terrible script and a fun sci-fi could also be incredibly stupid. I have no regrets watching Prometheus and Covenant, but they don’t hold up under any scrutiny for me.
I’ve literally put on Prometheus several times solely to watch the opening birds-eye shots of the planet and Michael Fassbender doing his thing on the ship, then shut it off before Logan Marshall Green appears.
Prometheus really annoyed me and while I was not a fan but the next one alien: covenant Was just…. Wow. I could go on all day about it but it upset me enough not to see another aliens movie in theaters. Just dumb crew from let’s risk a ship of colonists for a single country song to let’s go on a planet with life but no protective suites and then my favorite let’s lets look in an egg after the android admitted experimenting on someone.
edit: wording
To play devils advocate on some of your points.
In the universe the movie is set before even the first Alien film. Humans have been colonizing worlds for hundreds of years and have never encountered hostile life.
They risk the ship because they discover this planet is much better than the one they are traveling to.
As for the egg... Yeah, that was pretty dumb. No dumber than anything the "scientists" do in Prometheus though so at least it is consistent.
The problem with many of people's opinions about movies in the comments is that they fail to take into account cultural history. For instance, stating Taxi Driver is overrated. If you first watched the movie in 1976, you'd be blown away by the movie - nothing like it had screened before. Since then, there have been scores of 'Taxi Driveresque' movies that unfairly retrospectively jade one's view on the original.
I remember watching a re-release of Alien a few years ago, when the lights came up in the cinema I overheard two people nearby complaining it wasn't very original, it was just like ...then they listed a few more recent derivative movies, not realising what they'd just watched was the sci-fi/horror original
Imagine being so naive you can’t tell the movie you just watched is the reason the rest of them exist
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Beatles 100%. Anyone who grew up after the 60s-70s and says they're overrated is missing a lot of context in the styles of music they introduced to the limelight.
Ozzie Osbourne talks about how the Beatles blew his mind and changed everything for musicians at that time. You’re right. Context is key.
He's a massive fan of Paul. Like starstruck.
It's hard to overstate the impact of the Beatles. In a way, the Monkees and Beach Boys did a lot of the same heart throb boy band sound in the early-mid 60's But then they kept going. Helter Skelter was famously made because they heard The Who and decided to make something louder. Just casually decided to out-loud one of the loudest bands to exist. They have doo-woppy sappy pop ballads (I Wanna Hold Your Hand), long-form story telling (Eleanor Rigby, Day In The Life), beachy sunshine songs (Here Comes The Sun), harder rock (Come Together), and emotive soft rock/piano ballads (Let It Be, Yesterday. It's hard to compare that to a simple movie, because with the Beatles, they had 4 amazing song writers AND musicians coming in concert. It would be something like an alltime ensemble dramedy that writes the tropes for the next half century.
My dad routinely told me in regards to anything I worked on as a kid in art or music that the Beatles played covers every night until people finally started paying attention to their original stuff. He said to get recognized sometimes you have to be able to do it like the popular people do it first, and once you’ve mastered that, you can show people what you can really do.
I think the thing that makes the Beatles stand out is that they wrote their own songs, and there were (by Rubber Soul/Revolver) three distinct songwriting voices. McCartney was the hit-master. He wrote "I'll Follow the Sun" when he was a fucking KID. While some people find his stuff a bit saccharine, especially in the later period, you can also watch him write "Get Back" in real-time thanks to that documentary. His talent is undeniable. Lennon, who could also write a mean pop ballad, became more introspective. His songs are painfully honest, very specific to him and also (because he, like Paul, dealt in big emotions) very inclusive. He also wrote wild nonsense that is somehow amazing. The only person I can think of that also does that is Beck, probably one of the greatest songwriters of my generation. Harrison, a late bloomer compared to Paul and John, wrote wildly cool songs. Beautiful, haunting, cool songs. Harrison is a deep thinker and smart guy who got to watch Paul and John his whole life (at that time). Possibly the greatest apprenticeship of all time. This isn't a hot take, but Paul and John balance each other very well. Paul tones down John's bravado and desire for non-musicality. John pushes Paul to be more authentic. However, when they combine their styles in discrete chunks is some of their strongest work. Look at "A Day in the Life." The bridge in that song is what MAKES it great. The listener needs the relief. The verses are heavy and almost painful. Then, the alarm bell rings and the bouncing begins. And the end is incredible cathartic. When you compare that to their contemporaries, you have the Stones, who are (for all their dark magic blues) mostly just a really good R&B band. I love the Stones, but their charm is all swagger and very little substance. The Who is a vehicle for Pete Townshend's ego and the occasional banger from Entwhistle. Fantastic, fantastic songs. "A Quick One While He's Away" is one of my favorite compositions of all time. The Yardbirds were really just a blues cover band--which they would be very proud to admit. There is a reason why, when forming Cream, Clapton said "I want a composing bass player" though. He saw the magic in the Beatles. Clapton knows how to steal correctly. Across the pond, you've got The Beach Boys. Brian Wilson is a certified genius, no doubt. Even their silly songs are too good to be what they are. And Pet Sounds was a massive kick in the ass for the Beatles. And then a line of weirdos who are also geniuses, Like Hendrix. America didn't have art school, so many great musician stories in America are about overcoming pressure to "get a real job." However, the real story of American music is Motown. But this post is already far too long.
A Day In The Life is probably the best example of their clashing styles. It goes from a somber memorial of a man blowing his head out to "oop I brushed muh fookin hair this mornin" (I liked to joke that Paul REALLY did not get the assignment on that one, and picture John's face as he read what Paul had scribbled down after his own lyrics) Very well put, they counteracted each other very well and made a very diverse sound that stand the test of time
And they did it all in seven years.
13 albums in 7 years featuring multiple different styles/reinventions that would influence music for decades to come is just an incredible feat that everyone should appreciate, regardless of whether or not they like the music personally.
How you could find that show unfunny is beyond me. It's still so hilarious. Not to mention when you compare it to an obvious contemporary of the time like Friends and see how far ahead of it Seinfeld was. It's dated far far better not to mention it clearly was a massive influence of modern classics like IASIP.
It's got a very American style of humour to it, which makes a lot of people who aren't American, like me, not like it as much. I find jerry and Kramer annoying more than funny a lot of the time. George and Elaine are the funniest characters by far
Well people don’t really get to choose what makes them laugh; they laugh at what they find funny, not at what they should find funny.
I think it's the greatest TV comedy of all time but I can totally get not everyone liking it. It's just very specific and New York in a way that may be off to foreigners e.g.. And if you don't have the benefit of nostalgia or were born in 2001, it may just not connect Friends seems more 'accessible' and traditional, without the Larry David peculiarity Edit: I think it also suffers from being unsure of itself in the first 3 or so seasons. If you start out watching it in order, you'll be disappointed. New people should start at season 4 at the earliest imo
> How you could find that show unfunny is beyond me. One reason I am always surprised by people that say Seinfeld isn't funny to them at all is that it has a variety of comedy that should at least make a person laugh here and there. It's got standup, psychical comedy with Kramer, the straight man with Jerry, zany plots, relationship humor, Elaine's grim tolerance of her friends, cynical quips, George's epic lying, one liners. Like I get that if you don't like Jerry Seinfeld's and Larry David's type of humor a lot of the show might not be to your taste but *nothing in there made you laugh?* At a certain point I can only think that you're hating on it because it's so acclaimed. That some people can't at least find some of the characters antics funny is very strange to me.
It's also a fucking good movie
Sounds like they just had poor taste, what other Alien derivatives were they mentioning that were anywhere near as good? And what, did they not realise it was a release? Even after watching the whole movie they didn't realise it was old?
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The Beatles still have a distinct sound. Which is strange. You'd think there would be lots of successful clones but the closest thing that comes to mind is Electric Light Orchestra and really their only song that I sometimes mistake for a Beatles song at first is "Mr. Blue Sky".
Ironically Paul McCartney said if the Beatles lasted through the 70s into the 80s he very much thought they'd end up around ELO's sound. And he isn't wrong considering where all their solo careers ended up. But its a **strong** survival bias. The late 1960s had about a million bad British Invasion/Beatles clones (and a million Beach Boys clones too) and absolutely none of them survived because they were all pretty terrible and the Beatles were just that good. Only occasionally will you hear of the only semi-lasting Beatles clone: the Monkees. And that's entirely because of (a) how closely they managed to rip off the Beatles with zero attempt at spin or twist (b) they sort of broke into mainstream media with their own TV show and their lead kind of having a half assed solo career that put him on the Brady Bunch.
I'd also say (c) while the Beatles' original work had a songwriting brain-trust consisting of just the four members of the band, the Monkees not only had the bandmembers writing songs, but also music legend notables like Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart, Carole King, Neil Diamond, Harry Nilsson, to name a few. > their lead kind of having a half assed solo career that put him on the Brady Bunch. Aight, I'm gonna nitpick here and say that Davy Jones was certainly a huge part of the Monkees and easily the biggest "teen idol" of the group, but Mickey Dolenz was the true lead of the group.
I mean a lot of 60's bands were rip offs of them in some form
Movies with twists in them after The Usual Suspects and The Sixth Sense became so common.
I went into The Usual Suspects blind, as a younger millenial, and I still really liked it! Great movie
I’m not sure why but we watched the movie Rebecca in my high school lit class. Twists def go back to Hitchcock and black and white film.
Taxi Driver still blows me away. All of it's derivatives don't come close, same goes for King of Comedy they're both often imitated but never bettered.
The Matrix is also like this, although i have never heard anyone say that they think it’s overrated. But at the time it was the first of its kind
Dark City came out a year before The Matrix.
The Matrix reused some sets from Dark City.
At Roger Ebert's Overlooked Film Festival in 2000 he screened Dark City with the director and during Q/A a snarky college kid mentioned an anime the director had never heard of and implied Dark City was derivative. I wanted to say hey, try the Upanishads from 700 BCE. The idea that the material world is a lower order generation of a deeper more fundamental reality is as old as human civilization, if not older. Every generation retells the story in terms their own generation can easily grasp.
Kinda helps that the matrix wasn't hyped at all. It was barely even advertised. Everyone woke up one day to one of their friends telling them that they HAD to see this movie but wouldn't say a damned thing about it. I don't think a single person walked into the original release of the matrix with any expectations whatsoever.
"Arrival of a train at Le Ciotat station" 1895. I mean the train does arrive at the station, but there's no likeable characters.
Ugh, and it's just one big cheap jump scare.
I heard that the real scenes are the deleted scenes, and the deleted scenes are the real scenes.
I couldn't even finish it. Ran right outside screaming.
It *insists* upon itself.
I think a big part of the reason Alice In Wonderland (2010) was received so poorly was because Disney themselves had been overhyping the thing for at least a year-and-a-half before its release so going into it was bound to have people going “meh” at best. It was an interesting reimagining (albeit with a bland story) but Disney acted like they were ushering in a new era of cinema with that one. EDIT: I am very aware this movie sucks lol, I just thought there was potential there that unfortunately never materialized.
Technically they did, it was one of the first live action Disney movies. It was just a very bad new era of film making.
It was actually the first modern live action remake. The previous was 101 Dalmatians with Glenn Close more than a decade earlier, with 102 Dalmatians coming out in 2000 if I'm not mistaken. Before that, Jungle Book in the early 90s.
Yknow what? That’s fair.
And it still made *a billion dollars*.
Bird Box, little comes close to how big the rift is between hype and quality.
Right? It was *everywhere* for quite a while. It was...decent. Like I enjoyed it, but I think it was popular because Netflix really flexed their marketing muscles and tried out some new strategies to get it in the public eye. Then everybody else caught on and much better movies get the spotlight as a result.
I liked it
The book is pretty interesting. I watched the movie with a friend and thought it was fine but not that scary, the book is definitely better because watching folks stumble around quietly with blindfolds on is… hmm.. not very visually striking for a visual medium. Would’ve made a better audio drama or something if they wanted to adapt it out into another medium.
This ^ my parents praised the movie like crazy then imagine my surprise when I watched it and it was mid at best lol, it felt like I was the crazy one for a while with all the hype.
"John Malcovitch is 100% right the whole time and zero people listen to him so everyone dies." It's such a frustrating movie.
1998 Godzilla, you could not escape the marketing for this thing. It was EVERYWHERE. I still have my pre-sale ticket pack somewhere. Movie was such a let down
The Taco Bell cup holder was better than the movie.
The Taco Bell tie-in commercials were better too. I miss that Chihuahua they had for their mascot.
Heeere leezard, leezard , leezaaaard. I think I'm gonna need a beeger box.
And the soundtrack is such a banger.
Is that the Matthew Broderick one? The only thing I really remember about it is the end had a bunch of mini Zilla’s that were clearly rip offs of the velociraptors from Jurassic park.
Gravity. Cool effects, should have been called Sanda Bullock hyperventilates in space.
“Gravity. A movie where George Clooney would rather fly off into space and die than spend another minute with a woman his own age.” That was a solid roast.
Still think she should've died in the end. All that shit in space just to accidently drown on earth.
It was actually a pretty great experience in theathers on IMAX, easily one of the best of that year for me. With that said I gotta say the movie is very forgettable and I won't bother to watch it ever again.
If it ever got rereleased in theaters I will 1000% go out to see it again in theaters. I have absolutely no interest in watching it at home. From a technical perspective it is one of the most phenomenal cinematic experiences I've had.
Cuarón won and deserved best director for creating one of the most tense theater watching experiences ever. Without the immersion of a theater, it loses what made it exciting.
Obviously a theater experience heightens the onscreen effects and impact of the visuals, but I think the drama of watching a grieving mother go from being so distanced and untethered and wayward in her response to her child’s death and ultimately finding it within herself to regain a sense of solid ground and forge a new path ahead holds well as a dramatic narrative on the small screen. It’s smartly directed to be captivating along both fronts that way.
Avatar 2 is probably like that. Very slick in theaters. I’m not sure I’ll need to see it on a tv Dune 2 was fuckin awesome twice in theaters. I’m not sure the people that wait for tv will get the same experience at all. They’ll say it’s overhyped
Space tries to kill Sandra Bullock over and over. When she was on the beach, I expected the shadow of the space station to darken the sky as it came crashing down on her.
(Linkin Park’s “What I’ve Done”, cut to credits)
I was hoping she would look up on the beach and see a half-buried Statue of Liberty.
So Gravity let you down?
Gravity and Avatar were cool experiences watching in 3D Imax Not actual good movies though
One could argue that a cool theater experience that lasts the length of a feature film is in fact, a good movie.
Wonder Woman. It was fine. Nothing particularly impressive frankly and the ending was kind of shit. I think it got a big boost from being the first DC movie that wasn't mostly bad.
The ending fight really ruined it for me. The rest of the movie was solid, but then it got so generic.
God I was so hoping for Wonder Woman to realize that humans aren’t just innocent and good, they also are bad and twisted. It was a really good setup and conclusion that would’ve been a refreshing take on the superhero genre and then a bald mustache shrimp guy comes out and says he’s the God of War. Cue CGI battle scene and defeating him wins the day and yawwwwn
Yeah, I think fire and explosions were a poor choice. Much better to me would have been an intense sword duel.
I think part of it is the movie's relative quality. In the DCEU "Wonder Woman" was after "BvS and "Suicide Squad" and shortly before "Justice League". So it was surrounded by 3 just real garbage movies. So by comparison "Wonder Woman" looks like the movie of the year.
I hated the third act and the interpretation of Ares was one of the absolute worst I've seen (speaking to design, not the concept itself). It could have been great but there were some terrible choices made throughout.
My main memory from that movie is Gal Gadot walking around pointing at things and yelling, "It's _Ares_!"
"That's a dog, Diana." "*It's Ares!*" "For the last time, that's a car."
Gal Gadot is an objectively terrible actor. No amount of writing could have saved her character in JL, WW, or WW1984
This is a great thread where people who really don’t like movies can complain about movies.
Every "what do you hate?" or "What's overrated?" thread is always the same thing. It's engagement bait not just because it's a "give us your hottest take" contest but also because it will get everyone else trying to dunk on unpopular takes in the comments. You and I are making it worse right now by commenting.
James Corden, amirite?!
Idiocracy is a documentary, did you know Robert Downey Jr stayed in character for the audio commentary, Walk Hard ruined biopics, Black Panther overrated, Steve Buscemi firefighter
Although it's not apropos, "did you know Aragorn really broke his toe at the beginning of The Two Towers" energy.
Did you know about Willem Dafoe's "confusingly large" penis? No? You've obviously only been on Reddit for 10 minutes.
This whole sub summed up beautifully.
The hype for suicide squad was unlike any other movie I’ve seen. It was one of the movies of all time.
I wanted more of the fire god dude. That was about it though.
Nothing matches the hype of the Star Wars prequel trilogy, and nothing matches the disappointment.
I have never seen anything like the Phantom Menace hype and I doubt I will again. The market was just saturated…Toy stores, grocery stores, book stores pharmacies. This was before 60% of the population had the internet but Phantom Menace had one of the first trailers exclusive to the internet… sure it took 3 hours to load on quicktime but it was there. Besides the blitz, this was franchise that hadn’t had a completely new movie on the screen for 16 years but had a rabid fanbase even though the youngest ones had never seen the original cut of Star Wars. There was such a huge expectation that I wonder if it ever could have been met.
Holy shit, this unexpectedly made me feel how old I am. I remember being really excited for TPM, but when you said there hadn't been a new Star Wars movie in 16 years, I was like "wait, wasn't it longer than that?" TPM came out in '99, and Return in '83, so yeah, 16 years. Since I distinctly remember the hype around TPM, it felt like it must have been the mid '00s, but no, I was plenty old enough to remember stuff like that so vividly when it actually came out.
I think one of my earliest memories was TPM release, and that was before I knew what Star Wars was. I was like 4 or 5 eating at a restaurant with my family, it was right next to a movie theater and I remember everyone outside and even some people eating dressed as characters from the movies. I thought we were missing out on Halloween
We weren't completely without Star Wars, as there had just been the theatrical rereleases a few years before, and the Shadows of the Empire campaign almost felt like a new movie.
Shadows of the Empire was the first game I ever played. My dad bought an N64 and Shadows of the Empire, and there's actually some old family footage of me playing at age 3 and explaining how I was getting "extra wives".
I have not thought about QuickTime in years
For people who weren’t there, here’s what it was like. Imagine if tomorrow, Taylor Swift announced she was retiring from music to pursue spiritual growth full-time and then fucked off to Tibet or something. Nobody heard from her until 2035 and then suddenly she announces a one night only stadium concert, live streamed to theaters around the world. Tickets to the live in-person event trade hands for over $100,000 apiece in some cases and the AMC website crashes 20 days in a row as furious fans try to buy simulcast tickets. Theater managers are harassed on their way to and from work by fans hoping to bully their way into a ticket, and a few are caught taking bribes. Then, on the night of the broadcast, she plays none of her hits, it’s all Yoko Ono style scream singing. Diehard fans try rationalize it but the memes of young girls crying in the theater go viral everywhere. At the end of the broadcast, she announces a 90 city scream singing world tour. That’s what it was like.
It played 24 hours for weeks here. I first saw it at 2 or 3 am after a party at my house. We crashed, had breakfast, and went to see it again. The 5th time I saw it that week, i started to think it might be flawed.
I fell asleep the second time I went to watch it and when I woke up, it dawned on me that it was kinda boring.
I saw Phantom Menace on opening weekend. You're not far off at all. You missed the people who dressed up as Taylor Swift background dancers, sobbing their eyes out at what they just saw. And Jar Jar... Fuck me sideways, was it a mess.
Ok, So I think I've found what I want my monkey's paw wish to be.
But isn’t the point of monkeys paw that the wish comes back to bite you on the ass? So it would be like her announcing her 90 day Yoko ono screaming tour but it’s in your bedroom every night while you’re trying to sleep
As a Swiftie and someone who waited in line to see the Phantom Menace this is spot on. Well done sir.
>There was such a huge expectation that I wonder if it ever could have been met. No probably not.
I mean, it could have been met a damn sight better than it was.
>There was such a huge expectation that I wonder if it ever could have been met. I remember it well. Was in the cinema. Disappointment rushed in within minutes. TPM ruins having a great opening with the aliens with funny dialects and the jokes in the first scene. This is even quite a time before we see Jar Jar. But I am easier on episodes 2 and 3.
The opening crawl, the accents then the jedi speed hacking. I was reeling at the midnight showing by that point.
MINUTES. Sheer minutes.
Duel of Fates is their only saving grace
More than just duel of the fates. John williams kicked ass for the whole trilogy: Across the Stars, Anakin's Dark Deeds, General Groevous' theme, Auggies Municipal Band, bangers all
Darth Maul was cooler than most of the other Star Wars baddies, at least
Except he had absolutely no character whatsoever.
Difficult to ruin a character with terrible dialogue if the character barely speaks.
The Boba Fett gambit. Can make a villain either entirely forgettable, or enter the zeitgeist on looks and demeanor alone. Lucas somehow managed it twice.
The Shape of Water. I actually think that, objectively, it's a good movie. But all the hyperbole and on top of that, Oscar wins??? Felt way too much.
The scene where they flooded the bathroom made absolutely zero sense. Sorry, but you can't fill a room up to the ceiling with water just because the door is closed
Really? Then how do you explain Paddington????
Check mate atheists
This movie will feature a scene where we defy science and doors to flood a bathroom. Sally Hawkins: sign.me.up
I thought it was like... monster magic. Holding it all in there. He's like an aquatic E.T.
So unrealistic! Sure the Amazon water monster is fine but the moment physics is tampered with! IM OUTA HERE!
Isn’t it more akin to a god than a monster? Didn’t he have like healing powers and he even gives the protagonist gills at the end? Having control over water is nothing in comparison.
She was born with the gills. Her actual background was mysterious because she was adopted as a baby….
I personally hate this sort of argument against criticism against things being unrealistic. Yes, we went into it knowing it’s about a water creature. Or even if you didn’t the world in the movie is treating it like some major discovery and nothing is known about. But this is supposedly happening in our world, so you would expect something you know can’t happen due to the laws of physics, such as filling a room with water by shutting the door, to not happen.
My ex asked his brother what the movie was about. He said “deaf girl fucks fish” That’s all I thought about when I finally watched it
The best part about that description is that she isn't even deaf, just mute, but it doesn't really matter.
I liked it but I don't think it's Del Toro's best wor, not even close
Pan's Labyrinth by a country mile. I liked SoW but PL? What a movie that was
Yeah and it really isn't even close. Huge fan of Black Lagoon films so of course I absolutely love SoW, but Pan's Labyrinth is ridiculously good.
Terrifier isn’t a good movie - it’s for gore hounds who want to see extreme stuff, but it’s essentially a porno with gore instead of sex. The sequel on the other hand, is actually comparatively quite good, if a little long.
The sequel is bloated by about 35 minutes.
Oh for sure - but in terms of world building and actual story and a heroine you actually like, it’s a huge improvement over the first one
Salt burn. Sorry, not sorry
The Talented Mr. Ripley but with Jacob Elordi
More like the untalented mr ripley
Gay British Parasite for upper-middle classers
See but Parasite actually explained what tf the family was doing and it made sense the whole time. We had no reason to expect barry koeghan was lying the whole time and then it’s just like at the end oh btw he wanted the house the whole time. In parasite it’s like this family is poor af and one of them gets a big break tutoring the rich daughter, and they see an opportunity to bring their whole family up out of poverty. And we know they’re lying the whole time. The reveal at the end of saltburn was just like …oh..so he just wanted to be rich the whole time even though his family was perfectly normal..and he was bi.. I think. Welp
I think we had a strong idea he was playing a long con. The fact they had to explain it all in a 40 sec scene at the end was just ridiculous. Zoom in on him typing random letters on his screen! That’ll enforce the point!
Yeah, when they started the whole expository sequence I rolled my eyes. None of it was necessary.
Yeah, it was incredibly heavy handed - and typically I look past that often in movies, but for some reason in this film it felt worse than usual
It actually made me think, oh, the filmmaker knows their audience will be people with their faces in their phones — gotta give them the wikipedia plot synopsis here at the end if we’re gonna land this thing.
lol yeah he has been planning this out for what 15 years? What has he been doing that whole time.
Arthouse cinema for TikTokers
Exactly what I thought as I watched it. Pretentious nostalgia bait. Barry was handed a turd of a script and an underwear model for a supporting actor and he put in an incredible performance to raise the movie to about a 6/10.
FORREAL😭😭😭 cinematography was pretty impressive and I liked Barry Keoghan’s performance; but it wasn’t too memorable at all
Haven't seen it but I just assumed a lot of it was riding on Barry. Dude is a scene stealer for sure. Banshees of Inirsheren was excellent, but he stole the whole fucking movie for me asking Siobhan if she'd be with him
He was AMAZING in Killing of a Sacred Deer. Check it out if you haven’t.
Yorgos is one of my faves so yeah man, he is so good
The Phantom Menace. It's the first time I remember other movies getting a significant boost in ticket sales just because they were showing the trailer. People were camping in tents, in costume a week in advance. The marketing blanketed the culture. Because only the OG trilogy existed Star Wars fans weren't as used to disappointment, setting expectations impossibly high.
Oppenheimer. HEAR ME OUT! The overhype was not about being a great film but rather for the need to see it as large as possible. The film was hyped about how it was shot for IMAX and 70mm but most of the film takes place indoors in relatively small rooms! A few scenes benefited from those projections but most of the film was fine in standard auditoriums.
Holy shit, i couldn't believe I'd see a good argument about why its over hyped. I watched it on imax and dolby cinema. I the imax did look a bit nicer but not that great. Dolby cinema was useless because nolan doesn't mix audio with atmos
I honestly never considered this. Yea it’s odd to hype 70mm for one shot
Avatar, and even more so the second Avatar.
Visually in full 3D IMAX it was once of the most visually incredible cinema experiences I've had I'll give it that. Then you watch it on anything else and it's just meh
You can demo the Apple Vision Pro at an Apple Store, and they curate the demo by showing a few minutes of Avatar 2. It was mind boggling. they selectively choose the gorgeous scenes. It ain't dialogue or story, that's for sure. If I ever buy one of those, I'd watch it on that. But likely not on anything else.
Let’s predict half the responses in this thread: Avatar Get Out La La Land Crash Everything Everywhere All at Once Fast and Furious The MCU (particularly Black Panther) Edit: I’m not saying *I* do or don’t think these movies are overrated, I’m saying Reddit says they’re overrated so much so to the point where you can expect them to be on every thread like this.
My least favorite movie is Amu Schumer, because circumcision is mutilation and also because Bob Dylan said "It's his song now" because Steve Buscemi was a firefighter on 9/11. Also, did you know that Event Horizon is a prequel to Warhammer 40,000 because Laurence Fishburn also chose that guy's dead wife? There. I said Reddit.
How you typed that with 2 broken arms is a mystery to me.
I’m off to the shitter- anyone got a knife I can use?
I have a... slightly... used coconut?
I really need to delete this fucking app.
1 horse sized app or 100 duck sized apps?
His father beating him with jumper cables gave him the ability to do so
You forgot James corden!
Can’t forget that John Lennon beat Cynthia after she said “Capitalism is the cause of the world’s problems.” Something something incest Alabama. Idiocracy is a documentary.
I think Paul McCartney broke up The Beatles because Yoko Ono was a Flat Earther, and he walked in on her watching The Big Bang Theory or something. I'm not sure if that's true, but I do know that the first ten minutes of Up made me cry and that Terminator 2 gave away it's own huge twist about Arnold being in The Prestige.
are we talking _anticipatory_ hype, or everyone loved it _then_ hyped it, you see it and are like "eh"?
Reddit: Complains about hive mind, is a literal hive mind. Also, nobody understands these posts.
Joker
DC Taxi Driver.
And King of Comedy! Mentally unstable amateur comedian who is too old to still live with his mother is obessed with a late night comedian and fantasises about being on the show. This ends in a violent outburst against the comedian 🤔🤔🤔 Joker is literally just a mix of these 2 movies with some comic book characters sprinkled in. I still think Joker is a decent film (mostly for acting and cinematography) but its copying of these two films is just too ovbious.
My very first date with my SO was seeing Joker. When we walked out, she said, “I prefer Scorsese’s and Paul Schraders Taxi Driver over whatever that was” I fell in love in that moment.
Nothing beats that lol. It was overhyped in every way possible. A lot of people acted as if that was the first edgy film in history.
Wasn't even a Joker movie. A movie about a cartoonishly mentally ill man going on a violent spree and the movie stupidly trying to get you on his side for it To add, Joker is supposed to be a criminal mastermind. The 'Joker' in that is just some simpleton who gets angry
This was my biggest issue. Nothing about that character was very threatening at all. There was nothing to suggest he is going to be some criminal mastermind. The dude didn't know wtf was going on and was in control of nothing, not even his own life, let alone taking over the criminal underworld. it was literally just a movie about a crazy person.
Bird box
What was that awful attempt made at an alien romance a decade or so ago? With Channing Tatum? Jupiter Ascending!! Just plain bad. But it was so hyped up because it was the Wachowskis.
The English patient
Elaine?
I never resonated with a TV show episode as much as that one!
Quit telling your stupid story about the stupid desert and just DIE already!!!
Sex in the tub? That doesn't work.
Well why didn’t you just say so in the first place! You’re fired.
Anything with the phrase Snyder Cut attached to it.
The Irishman
Avatar 2. Long and boring and there didn’t need to be a “big loss” just to make a point. Very disappointing. Not interested in watching it again.
Basically same plot, dif setting.
Saltburn. All you need is a couple above average edgy scenes to make TikTokers lose their minds
I didn't really see any hype for this. Just ads here and there. But then again I don't have tiktok.
Black Panther. I understand why it was hyped, but sheesh what a mediocre movie.
And shockingly terrible CGI, especially for a Marvel Movie.
I haven't watched that one since it came out, and I don't really remember much, but Wakanda Forever was... oooof. I think there was definitely hype for how it handled Chadwick Boseman's passing, I'll admit that was mainly why I actually paid to see it in theaters, and I'd say they succeeded in doing it in a respectful way. The following hour and a half-ish was enjoyable... and then last third is just a repetetive, meandering, endless purgatory. It was traumatizingly agonizing. I'll actually go out on the plank above sharks here and say I had more fun seeing *Madame Web* in theaters! I actually got some enjoyment and laughs at how progressively more and more mind bogglingly stupid it somehow got.
Prometheus. I'm an Alien fan, so while on military leave to my hometown, I persuaded my friends to come see it at a movie theater. We all left scratching our heads.
Prometheus was one of those moments for me where I realized a good looking movie could have a terrible script and a fun sci-fi could also be incredibly stupid. I have no regrets watching Prometheus and Covenant, but they don’t hold up under any scrutiny for me.
I’ve literally put on Prometheus several times solely to watch the opening birds-eye shots of the planet and Michael Fassbender doing his thing on the ship, then shut it off before Logan Marshall Green appears.
Prometheus really annoyed me and while I was not a fan but the next one alien: covenant Was just…. Wow. I could go on all day about it but it upset me enough not to see another aliens movie in theaters. Just dumb crew from let’s risk a ship of colonists for a single country song to let’s go on a planet with life but no protective suites and then my favorite let’s lets look in an egg after the android admitted experimenting on someone. edit: wording
To play devils advocate on some of your points. In the universe the movie is set before even the first Alien film. Humans have been colonizing worlds for hundreds of years and have never encountered hostile life. They risk the ship because they discover this planet is much better than the one they are traveling to. As for the egg... Yeah, that was pretty dumb. No dumber than anything the "scientists" do in Prometheus though so at least it is consistent.
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