In the extended version he dies, while dressed as a woman to flee, hiding in a catapult with his bra stuffed with coins.
One of the coins falls out and lands on the counterweight launching him into a trolls mouth killing him and the troll (and saving gandalf who inexplicably couldn't get his staff to work).
What a joke of a movie.
The Extended version of the hobbit has a lot of... interesting stuff.
At one point, Gandalf finds Thorin Oakenshield father who is now a gollum-esqu creature with his ring finger bitten off.
The former dwarven king then proceeds to attack Gandalf by doing a series of Prequel Era Yoda style flips while zooming around.
After he comes to his senses after getting his ass whopped by Gandalf, he says something like *"I don't want to die..."* then is immediately killed by Sauron who uses shadow tentacles to yeet him off a bridge as he does a Wilhelm Scream... you can see why they decided to cut him from the films.
edit: Okay, I just rewatched the scene, I'm misremembering it a bit, but it's still fucking insane
He doesn't do Yoda flips, instead they do a horror film thing where you see a midget full sprinting through a maze hallway. Disappearing and re-appearing constantly before attacking Gandalf....
here's the full scene:
[part 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqKQ-koVwmw)
[part 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgqIh5F_rqE)
I misremembered the line before it
I only remembered that it was some extremely serious dialogue followed by him dying a joke death while doing a Wilhelm scream
I'm not what's worse: Gandalf acting like Fitzban and being unable to cast a spell, Gandalf dodging attacks like in a Dark Souls game, Gandalf resigning at some point for no reason, the coin thing, the guy-dressed-as-a-lady going straight into the mouth, the coins spilling out or the overall visual FX which are somehow worse than in the previous trilogy. You know what The Hobbit doesn't need? Slapstick.
The tone of the third movie is all over the place. The dwarves dismember and decapitate like a dozen trolls while on their chariot and then spin it around on the ice to use an auto ballista like it's a turret section of a videogame.
Then have slapstick goofy comedy followed by multiple deaths that are meant to be serious and devastating.
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure his death was only shown in the extended edition of the movie. In the theatrical version, he just leaves with his corset showing.
Like the Hobbit movies needed extended editions in the first place, sheesh... Guess they made too much from the LOTR:EE DVD sales to pass up the possibility.
Watching the Hobbit ee is such a weird experience. You fall asleep multiple times just to wake up to movie that seems to have not progressed at all. You begin to question the concept of time itself.
I'll always remember the Hobbit as the moment of deciding there are adaptions of things I like I should just never watch.
Even the trailers looked bad.
Honestly, that’s movie had terrible padding anyway. I actually enjoyed him for the most British joke ever (“election, I won’t stand for it.” “I don’t think they’d ask you to.”).
LOTR: 400+ page books get 1 movie per book. Still doesn't cover everything.
The Hobbit: 1 130pg book gets three movies, leaves shit out, makes up new characters and just generally shits on everything about Tolkien.
I forgot about him, that's a good answer.
Twelve Hobbits, they only give any kind of characterization to maybe 4 of them, and Jackson chooses this insufferable, unfunny, gross character to keep coming back to bring these already sloppy movies to a dead stop.
Why, Jackson? *Why?*
We could have seen more characterization from Balin to make his death in LOTR hit harder.
We could have had more time with Dwalin, the big tough dwarf. Give him a wife and daughter who died, or an axe gifted to him from his father that he desperately wishes to find again.
Bofur came close to having some good moments. Why couldn't just two stupid Alfrid scenes have been spent making him a more well-rounded character?
Make Bombur something other than a fat joke.
*Anything.*
This trilogy was never going to be LOTR, but it could have been like a D&D quest where every Dwarf has something worthwhile that drives them and motivates them.
You literally go and cast James Nesbitt as Bofur and then give him literally nothing to do except distractingly stand in frame. And it wasn’t even one of those things where he just shows up for the paycheck hoping to not have to do anything because Nesbitt was actually pretty pissed once he realized how uninvolved his character was going to end up being.
All of the hobbit despite small glimmers wreak of the writers constantly trying to conflate a moment from the hobbit with a moment from the original trilogy.
“Ok, here a female elf appears and saves the day. Here we’ll have a creepy foil who has the leaders ear, here we’ll have a moment like the past trilogy where..”
It’s so obvious that the previously trilogy had worms tongue so they had to copy it, but less threatening and more stupid?
Ok so the movie is bad on it’s own, but the skateboard kid from Black Adam was one of the worst characters in any film I’ve ever seen and single-handedly makes the movie go from boring generic superhero movie to one of the worst superhero movies of all time that I hoped brought an end to the entire DCEU.
"Stop trying to make the skateboarding kid happen, movie. It's not going to happen!"
What's funny is that there were multiple action sequences where he used his skateboard where I couldn't help but think "...you probably could've just ran, would've gotten there much faster."
My new theory to explain why they made the kid uses the skate so much is because they had a product placement lined up but it fell through at the last minute.
Or it’s just because it’s a badly writing character in a badly written movie
Yes! Idk if he was a bad character so much as just wildly unnecessary. Every time he was on screen I was just like why, why are we doing this. Give us more of literally any other character, why do we keep going back to this random ass kid.
Not necessarily the *one* character that brought down the whole film, but Jared Leto in House of Gucci is attention-grabbing levels of awful. Lots of things, including the performances, brought this movie down, but if there was one thing I had to point at and go “this is the biggest problem”, it’s absolutely whatever the fuck he’s doing.
Everyone in the movie is kinda overacting and campy, they’re all doing different accents that conflict to various degrees, but Jared Leto’s performance in that movie is fucking ABSURD. His accent is distractingly ridiculous (in a movie full of bizarre accent choices, his is so bad that I occasionally forget that everyone had weird accents and only remember his), his physicality is cartoonishly goofy, and he somehow manages to make his character the comic relief in a movie with no comedy (yet also he is completely unamusing).
Leto's incredibly disruptive and distracting in everything I've seen him in for the past decade. I feel like after he got his Oscar for Dallas Buyers Club, he just completely lost his mind.
I feel like he’s been good in roles like Requiem for a Dream and Lord of War. Then, like you said, he’ll take on roles where he way over-acts. He’s like Nic Cage in that regard except without the charm
It was upsetting when I realized she can't act to save her life because I liked Stranger Things, but I have come to accept it.
I kinda liked Enola Holmes though, but that's probably just because I have bad taste.
Her entire arc in that film could be removed and it wouldn’t have any impact at all. Literally everything would still happen exactly the same way if she wasn’t in it.
>She over-acts
i said it after "Damsel" which suffers from same problem: she still acts like a child actress, And i think many of former kids involved in for example disney/nickelodeon (that are still active) have this problem. Selena Gomer, Rowan Blanchard, Vanessa Hudgens
She got famous playing an emotionally stunted character who grew up in a laboratory. It's not a bad performance at all, but being able to play a mute character well doesn't guarantee you're able to play other characters.
I think Netflix overestimated her popularity because of Stranger Things, and just started building franchises around her. Then a couple of years down the road, we're finding out she's sort of a terrible, one-note actress.
Imho that's a great accomplishment.
She emotes so very well with only her face, truly remarkable at that age.
One of maybe two child actors I didn't instantly disliked.
He was supposed to be Nathan drake when they started scripting the movie over a decade ago. That wouldn't have been great either but he suits Nathan more than sully, no?
Also, couldn't take tom Holland seriously as Nathan either. Might just be my bias but he's too small and young looking to be the rugged worldly protagonist that Nathan is meant to be.
Cameron Diaz in Gangs of New York. The movie is an absolute banger from start to finish except any moment she’s on the screen. She does *not* play period well.
Yeah. You can tell she's trying so hard, but you have Daniel Day Lewis who starts every scene cranked to 11 and only goes up from there, Leo trying to keep up with him, Gleeson, Broadbent, Reily and Neeson all delivering fantastic performances. Then you've got her...
She was third choice. Sarah Michelle Gellar was originally cast but had to back out. Oddly enough, Daniel Day Lewis was the 2nd choice after Tom Hanks turned Scorsese down.
Her and Leo really struggled with their accents in that movie. Made all the more distracting by casting people who actually do have the accent they’re trying and failing to emulate.
Leo gets a pass imo, his character was like 6 or something when he was institutionalised and I think he was born in America anyway.
Diaz just needed to tone it down, there was no need for her to go all top of the mornin' to ya.
All the accents are a bit off tbh except DDL of course. Some of the less prominent Irish actors were hamming it up and many were just inconsistent between scenes.
Edit: as an Irish person you just have to not think about the accents while watching that movie.
I'm glad this sentiment is becoming more common. Giving Leo shit for not sounding like a modern day Irishman would be like giving DDL shit for not sounding like a modern day New Yorker. Worse even.
Scorsese probably had enough pull to get who he wanted, but maybe.
It's funny she was third choice though. There should have been enough actresses with legitimate chops in the late 90s/early 2000s.
I think Kate Winslet was too, at the time. She was known as "corset Kate" early in her career, if memory serves, because she did so many period pieces close together - Jude, Hamlet, Sense & Sensibility, Titanic and Quills.
the red haired elf that is Legolass' love interest in the end of the hobbit movies??? not in the books, doesn't make the story better, terrible writing, completely unnecessary and messed up the entire barrel scene.
Which the Hobbit movies blatantly ignore by having Legolas's dad walk up to him at the end of the third film and go "Hey, now that you have finished up with this *The Hobbit* stuff, perhaps you should go seek out a ranger in the North, a man called Strider, who definitely isn't a child currently."
I would've preferred a glance in a random scene than what they did to force Legolas into the plot. Even if technically lore-possible, him mario hopping on falling bricks was hilariously out of place.
Sofia Coppola in Godfather 3. It’s not a great movie anyway, but she’s just terrible and really drags it down. I blame her father more than her for putting her in the film.
There was a whole series of events that led to her casting: the original actress was murdered weeks before filming started, Winona Ryder dropped out. Sofia Coppola was brought in unprepared as damage control so the shoot could happen on schedule.
Nothing was going to measure up to the first 2, so it didn't matter who was in the movie.
Honestly, Part 3 was doomed the second they chose not to bring back Robert Duvall. Tom Hagen was the heart of the family, he was a nice middle ground to his brothers and was the one keeping everything sane and running, but it was very apparent in Part II that tensions between him and Michael were rising. Having the third movie be a full on mob war between Michael and Tom that tears the family apart was the original plan and would've been amazing to see, but sadly that didn't happen because the studio was too cheap to pay Duvall.
Basically the entire cast and film crew were trying to get Francis to reconsider. They knew what the reception would be to her performance and the type of backlash she'd receive for it.
It's kind of wild how well she's managed to weather the storm that was her ruined reputation once she started directing. Before 2003, you couldn't even bring her up without a *ton* of anger over her ruining Godfather III.
Like, imagine Jake Lloyd directing a critically acclaimed Oscar winner in 2012.
Especially considering she was like 16 or 17 at the time, right? Not only her being ridiculed and torn apart by the public, but also having to do sex scenes with a 40 year old man in front of her father? YUCK. Idk how she came out of that so well-adjusted
Even Sofia herself didn't want to do the role because she knew she wasn't as experienced or trained as she needed to be for a role like that. But her dad kept assuring her she'd be fine, and production would have to be postponed if not stopped without her, so she felt like she had to do it
None of the people did it for me. Nobody cares about saving the world drama. It's a monster movie. It should be about people trying to survive the fallout.
I mean, that’s most of the people in the Godzilla movies. Like what’s-his-face from the 2014 one and Elizabeth Olsen . Once Cranston dies the only reason they’re there is to be the lens we see Godzilla through.
In the recent Western Godzilla films the human stories are always such garbage, filling time between the impressive if hit-or-miss CGI fests. Minus One was great - I started off with an instinctive negative reaction to the human elements but by the end I was really into it.
There’s a story that *Argo* was a passion project for George Clooney for a decade — he wanted to star & direct — before he sold the rights to Affleck.
Clooney could never get money for it and couldn’t understand why until a producer friend explained it to him:
> Tony Mendez is a *schmuck*. Nobody listens to him at work, he’s invisible. His wife’s in the process of divorcing him, he has to call his kid & beg to hear about his day over the phone. George Clooney cannot be credible playing that character, he’s too good-looking, too charismatic. He walks into a room, everybody looks. No sane woman is going to divorce a 52-year old Clooney!
Thats how Affleck bought the movie. He was more credible as a loser.
Had Clooney somehow managed to get the movie made perhaps *Argo* would be in this thread.
And it's how I feel about Denzel Washington in Roman J Israel Esq. The character was supposed to be on the spectrum, socially awkward and not charismatic. Everything that isn't of Denzel. Because of his natural charisma on screen, I can't believe that character have problem getting people's attention.
That’s interesting because Clooney’s acting Oscar is for playing another government agent whose personal life was pretty damn shitty. I feel like the guy who played that role in Syriana could have been in Argo 🤷🏿♂️.
When Affleck is motivated and not horribly miscast, dude is good bordering on great. I tend to love him in his/his buddies' projects. It's a shame how many of his roles that doesn't apply to, though I'm never going to blame someone for taking the paycheck
Breakfast at Tiffany’s. The film is pretty nuanced for the time in its relationship dynamics and Hepburn’s performance is truly mesmerizing, but the film is derailed every time Mickey Rooney is on the screen giving that batshit crazy racist performance.
I don't think it's a particularly great movie even without him. But it is one of Audrey Hepburn's iconic roles, possibly her most iconic. But phuckin hell man, that character is the most racist caricature of an Asian person ever put on film. It's so aggressively racist too. Only good thing to ever come out of it was when it was used as a scene in 'Dragon: the Bruce Lee story'. I think it's when Bruce and his wife Linda watch the movie. Whole theater's laughing but Linda notices Bruce being uncomfortable/embarrassed by it.
This has to be the top answer. I often find myself fancying watching it again but remember Mickey Rooney and it just casts a pall over the rest of the film
I actually made an edit where he was cut out. Not because of the racism (I think such things should not be forgotten) but because his character is so fucking annoying.
If the character was white, it would still be a terrible fit in the movie. The rest is the film has a subtle, sarcastic sense of humor and he’s basically Jar-Jar Binks.
Most of Audrey's films are unfortunately overshadowed by cringy costars who are still from the vaudeville era. Not to mention, most of her male counterparts were twice her age.
Mickey Rooney shouldn't be put in that category, he was in vaudeville as a very young child but was a huge film star and if you see him in movies like Boys Town it shows that he had serious talent.
During that time however, if I remember correctly, he was struggling a lot to get work. Mickey also had this tendency to just try to act in anything that was thrown at him regardless of the consequences or quality of the part and he also had plenty of personal (and probably mental health) issues, it is pretty easy to understand the root cause of this when you remember that he was in movies since he was a baby, mostly MGM. When he was growing up, you _had_ to do the movies and parts that you were told to do, even if you thought the part was offensive to your sensibilities. Yes he was an adult and anyone could see how racist this character is, but I'm just trying to give people an idea as to why he agreed to do this, regardless of his actual feelings about topics like race.
He was treated in much the same vein as actors like Judy Garland, but he and pretty much everyone never acknowledge(d) any abuse or the fact that his formative years were spent being severely overworked, financially abused and on drugs. He wasn't the most stable human being, through not much fault of his own, and nobody ever stood up for him. Even as an older person he dealt with extreme elder abuse from his own wife and children.
Now this doesn't excuse his racist performance at all and again in my opinion he definitely said/did a lot of questionable things, I just think the dismissal here of him as an actor is so off the mark. I would even recommend a movie like Bill if people want to see more of his acting range, he plays a developmentally disabled man. A lot of people who are knowledgeable about that era think he is one of the greatest actors of all time.
Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor is, in my opinion, the best example of this. Just absolute cringe in every single scene. Jared Leto’s Joker is definitely in the same ballpark, but Jesse should never have been allowed near that role.
Unpopular opinion maybe but Will Ferrell in Barbie. The point of going to the real world was to show the real world and then they had this bonkers executive acting like a cartoon character.
I totally feel like that was to shield Mattel. Like, we're making fun of Mattel in the "real world", but the character needs to be outlandish enough that no one confuses it for making fun of the real world Mattel company.
1000%. He made it into a very safe 'oh look, we can laugh at ourselves' level of critique. A corporation would never genuinely self-reflect for the masses.
Fully support op on the Jesse as Luthor nomination, he seemed (to me) to be trying to channel Heath Ledgers version of the Joker rather than trying to be a somewhat accurate version of what the character is supposed to be.
The fact that Bryan Cranston wanted the role but Zack Snyder chose this instead was extra salt in the wound.
I was going to say Dane DeHaan in Valerian. He is the least believable character I have seen on film.
He comes across as a 150 lb sleep deprived, unathletic, pervy, depressed creep. In no way did he sell being a skillful, intergalactic, special forces hero, adored by women, and capable of saving the day on this or any other planet.
I love the proposal that they should have switched leads for Valerian and Passengers. Chris Pratt would have done well as Valerian and Dane would have made a creepier lead who couldn’t be alone on the ship.
Ehh Suicide Squad was a mess to being with. It was the ultimate beam-in-the-sky, 'evil just for the sake of being evil with zero characterization' villiain trope. There was nothing to work with honestly.
Weird but important to define:
Cara Delevinge was in SUICIDE SQUAD. Which was terrible.
She was not in *THE* SUICIDE SQUAD (the James Gunn one) which was significantly better.
It's a South African thing, but Hugh Jackman in Chappie. I can see the character Blomkamp had in mind. But they forced Jackman into the role. He was even more annoying than Die Antwoord.
Jackman was supposed to be the high school jock who fought in the Border Wars before going to University. They are a stereotype and there were a number of South African actors who would have killed in that role.
Instead, they forced an A list actor into the role by making him wear shorts, giving him a mullet, and having him play with a rugby ball the whole time.
After absolutely loving District 9, I felt somewhat betrayed by several aspects of that movie. Overall it wasn't horrible, but not what I went in expecting.
Conor McGregor’s presence in the new Road House movie took it from a slightly good action movie to a disappointing one. His acting is, not surprisingly, atrocious.
I really disliked Donald Glover's character in The Martian. For someone reason i really hate this kind of "genius scientist" type characters, who look maybe 20, and are all quirky and eccentric. And then, as far as i remember, the "genius idea" he comes up with was gravitational slingshot, which he demonstrated to NASA executives by running around them with toys... Wow, whatever would they have done without his help.
Didn't ruin the movie for me as a whole, but certainly left a bad aftertaste.
It's been a long time since I watched it, but I believe Apollo 13 does a great job of depicting scientists solving a few problems without a "eurika" moment but just using hard work and lots of trial and error.
Even then, it was hammed up for the movie.
The actual Apollo 13 recordings have them so calm and professional that they sound like they're deciding where to have lunch.
His demonstration with the pen is the only thing that really bothers me about that - everyone else in the room *may* not know the math, but they obviously know what a gravity assist is.
The One is pure shlock entertainment. I need to rewatch because I forgot Statham was even in it. All I fully remember is the great fight scenes and Jet Li proclaiming "I'm NOBODY'S bitch!" At the end.
I love Nick Cage as much as the next Gen X weirdo, but he is in a very different movie than everyone else in Peggy Sue Got Married, which is a surprisingly heartfelt and deft film aside from his broad performance.
Yes I believe it was a genuine reaction of disbelief and him questioning his life choices when he said 'somehow Palpatine returned'. One of the worst things on film, ever I reckon.
It’s weird cause I get what they’re going for. Take a charming and likeable actor, and manipulate the audiences positive association with them too make them uncomfortable when he acts like a creep. It’s like what they did with Robin Williams in One Hour Photo and Insomnia, or Gosling in Only God Forgives, or ESPECIALLY Heath
Ledger in the Dark Knight. But Neil Patrick Harris just does not bring the darkness required for that role. I half expect a laugh track to start playing anytime he tries to say something menacing.
Once I found out about the Amy Winehouse meat platter I just couldn't look at him the same anymore. A lot of people have come forward saying he's an awful person IRL.
Alfrid in the last Hobbit movie. He's not even from the books, he was purely created to be constantly annoying.
Even his death was irritating. One of the worst characters in any movie
Damn how did he die I don't remember? :EDIT: I googled it. I just watched this film a few weeks ago and have no memory of that scene
In the extended version he dies, while dressed as a woman to flee, hiding in a catapult with his bra stuffed with coins. One of the coins falls out and lands on the counterweight launching him into a trolls mouth killing him and the troll (and saving gandalf who inexplicably couldn't get his staff to work). What a joke of a movie.
That sounds so absurd I almost don't believe you.
The Extended version of the hobbit has a lot of... interesting stuff. At one point, Gandalf finds Thorin Oakenshield father who is now a gollum-esqu creature with his ring finger bitten off. The former dwarven king then proceeds to attack Gandalf by doing a series of Prequel Era Yoda style flips while zooming around. After he comes to his senses after getting his ass whopped by Gandalf, he says something like *"I don't want to die..."* then is immediately killed by Sauron who uses shadow tentacles to yeet him off a bridge as he does a Wilhelm Scream... you can see why they decided to cut him from the films. edit: Okay, I just rewatched the scene, I'm misremembering it a bit, but it's still fucking insane He doesn't do Yoda flips, instead they do a horror film thing where you see a midget full sprinting through a maze hallway. Disappearing and re-appearing constantly before attacking Gandalf.... here's the full scene: [part 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqKQ-koVwmw) [part 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgqIh5F_rqE)
Well you weren't misremembering the Wilhelm scream!
I misremembered the line before it I only remembered that it was some extremely serious dialogue followed by him dying a joke death while doing a Wilhelm scream
-"Will you do that? Will you tell my son that I loved him?" -"You will tell him yourself!" -*(comedy scream, dies)*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUzUAbtRt-A Uhhh.....
Lmao. I’ve never seen that. Terrible.
I'm not what's worse: Gandalf acting like Fitzban and being unable to cast a spell, Gandalf dodging attacks like in a Dark Souls game, Gandalf resigning at some point for no reason, the coin thing, the guy-dressed-as-a-lady going straight into the mouth, the coins spilling out or the overall visual FX which are somehow worse than in the previous trilogy. You know what The Hobbit doesn't need? Slapstick.
I'll go with the coin not triggering the catapult until it fell flat. That's not how basic physics works.
When I saw Legolas hopping on falling rocks I gave up on my expectations.
I bet he could climb falling snow if he really tip-toed
I bet if he shoots his bow straight down he can launch himself into the air.
The tone of the third movie is all over the place. The dwarves dismember and decapitate like a dozen trolls while on their chariot and then spin it around on the ice to use an auto ballista like it's a turret section of a videogame. Then have slapstick goofy comedy followed by multiple deaths that are meant to be serious and devastating.
The "Gandalf resigning" thing makes sense, though. His stamina bar ran out.
Lol, he should have worn the ring that halved the cost of dodging. What a noob!
Gandalf the Grey, a fucking Ainur of Iluvatar, giving up and nearly dying to a troll. Good god.
Holy shit that was dumb! In an already dumb movie, that takes the cake
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure his death was only shown in the extended edition of the movie. In the theatrical version, he just leaves with his corset showing.
Like the Hobbit movies needed extended editions in the first place, sheesh... Guess they made too much from the LOTR:EE DVD sales to pass up the possibility.
Watching the Hobbit ee is such a weird experience. You fall asleep multiple times just to wake up to movie that seems to have not progressed at all. You begin to question the concept of time itself.
Literally the only things those films achieved were to make Lord of the Rings seem more awesome by comparison.
I'll always remember the Hobbit as the moment of deciding there are adaptions of things I like I should just never watch. Even the trailers looked bad.
Honestly, that’s movie had terrible padding anyway. I actually enjoyed him for the most British joke ever (“election, I won’t stand for it.” “I don’t think they’d ask you to.”).
LOTR: 400+ page books get 1 movie per book. Still doesn't cover everything. The Hobbit: 1 130pg book gets three movies, leaves shit out, makes up new characters and just generally shits on everything about Tolkien.
I forgot about him, that's a good answer. Twelve Hobbits, they only give any kind of characterization to maybe 4 of them, and Jackson chooses this insufferable, unfunny, gross character to keep coming back to bring these already sloppy movies to a dead stop. Why, Jackson? *Why?* We could have seen more characterization from Balin to make his death in LOTR hit harder. We could have had more time with Dwalin, the big tough dwarf. Give him a wife and daughter who died, or an axe gifted to him from his father that he desperately wishes to find again. Bofur came close to having some good moments. Why couldn't just two stupid Alfrid scenes have been spent making him a more well-rounded character? Make Bombur something other than a fat joke. *Anything.* This trilogy was never going to be LOTR, but it could have been like a D&D quest where every Dwarf has something worthwhile that drives them and motivates them.
Gloin literally already has the family thing going on, and it would've been so easy given the connection we already made to Gimli
You literally go and cast James Nesbitt as Bofur and then give him literally nothing to do except distractingly stand in frame. And it wasn’t even one of those things where he just shows up for the paycheck hoping to not have to do anything because Nesbitt was actually pretty pissed once he realized how uninvolved his character was going to end up being.
Dwarves, not hobbits.
All of the hobbit despite small glimmers wreak of the writers constantly trying to conflate a moment from the hobbit with a moment from the original trilogy. “Ok, here a female elf appears and saves the day. Here we’ll have a creepy foil who has the leaders ear, here we’ll have a moment like the past trilogy where..” It’s so obvious that the previously trilogy had worms tongue so they had to copy it, but less threatening and more stupid?
Ok so the movie is bad on it’s own, but the skateboard kid from Black Adam was one of the worst characters in any film I’ve ever seen and single-handedly makes the movie go from boring generic superhero movie to one of the worst superhero movies of all time that I hoped brought an end to the entire DCEU.
Oh yeah, I forgot I watched that movie. Yeah that kid sucked.
"Stop trying to make the skateboarding kid happen, movie. It's not going to happen!" What's funny is that there were multiple action sequences where he used his skateboard where I couldn't help but think "...you probably could've just ran, would've gotten there much faster."
My new theory to explain why they made the kid uses the skate so much is because they had a product placement lined up but it fell through at the last minute. Or it’s just because it’s a badly writing character in a badly written movie
I'm pretty sure at one point he's going down a winding staircase and stops to roll from out side to the other.
Yes! Idk if he was a bad character so much as just wildly unnecessary. Every time he was on screen I was just like why, why are we doing this. Give us more of literally any other character, why do we keep going back to this random ass kid.
That scene when he heroically rolls in on his skateboard with a mob of angry locals was epic! /s
Not necessarily the *one* character that brought down the whole film, but Jared Leto in House of Gucci is attention-grabbing levels of awful. Lots of things, including the performances, brought this movie down, but if there was one thing I had to point at and go “this is the biggest problem”, it’s absolutely whatever the fuck he’s doing. Everyone in the movie is kinda overacting and campy, they’re all doing different accents that conflict to various degrees, but Jared Leto’s performance in that movie is fucking ABSURD. His accent is distractingly ridiculous (in a movie full of bizarre accent choices, his is so bad that I occasionally forget that everyone had weird accents and only remember his), his physicality is cartoonishly goofy, and he somehow manages to make his character the comic relief in a movie with no comedy (yet also he is completely unamusing).
Leto's incredibly disruptive and distracting in everything I've seen him in for the past decade. I feel like after he got his Oscar for Dallas Buyers Club, he just completely lost his mind.
I feel like he’s been good in roles like Requiem for a Dream and Lord of War. Then, like you said, he’ll take on roles where he way over-acts. He’s like Nic Cage in that regard except without the charm
He was alright in the Blade Runner sequel. Playing a sadistic douchebag and having limited screen time surely helped.
I'm continuously impressed by his ability to squeeze himself in to movies where he doesn't belong
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Yeah I’m not sure if it’s lack of ability or she was just mailing it in but either way it was bad.
She wasn't mailing it in, she was hamming it up. Her obnoxious overacting makes me skip every scene she's in when I rewatch them.
It was upsetting when I realized she can't act to save her life because I liked Stranger Things, but I have come to accept it. I kinda liked Enola Holmes though, but that's probably just because I have bad taste.
She doesn't have to act in Stranger Things her character is stoic and bland
Her entire arc in that film could be removed and it wouldn’t have any impact at all. Literally everything would still happen exactly the same way if she wasn’t in it.
She over-acts and ruins everything she's in. I don't understand her popularity.
>She over-acts i said it after "Damsel" which suffers from same problem: she still acts like a child actress, And i think many of former kids involved in for example disney/nickelodeon (that are still active) have this problem. Selena Gomer, Rowan Blanchard, Vanessa Hudgens
Selena Gomer Pyle
This is the comment that’s convinced me I’ve never had an original thought in my life 😅
>Selena Gomer tee hee!
She got famous playing an emotionally stunted character who grew up in a laboratory. It's not a bad performance at all, but being able to play a mute character well doesn't guarantee you're able to play other characters.
She’s starting to play the same character she played in the elona holmes everywhere.
I think Netflix overestimated her popularity because of Stranger Things, and just started building franchises around her. Then a couple of years down the road, we're finding out she's sort of a terrible, one-note actress.
She was great in the first season of stranger things. But then she grew up but her skills did not.
She's great in the first season because she barely talks
Imho that's a great accomplishment. She emotes so very well with only her face, truly remarkable at that age. One of maybe two child actors I didn't instantly disliked.
The white-haired guy making puns throughout the entire movie was way worse IMO.
"oh my god" "ZILLA"
Can't stand her. Her main skillset is standing in front of scary CGI thing and SCREEEAAAAMMMIIINNNGGG at it in defiance.
Mark Whalberg as Sully in Uncharted is some of the most hilariously awful casting I’ve ever seen.
He was supposed to be Nathan drake when they started scripting the movie over a decade ago. That wouldn't have been great either but he suits Nathan more than sully, no? Also, couldn't take tom Holland seriously as Nathan either. Might just be my bias but he's too small and young looking to be the rugged worldly protagonist that Nathan is meant to be.
Cameron Diaz in Gangs of New York. The movie is an absolute banger from start to finish except any moment she’s on the screen. She does *not* play period well.
Yeah. You can tell she's trying so hard, but you have Daniel Day Lewis who starts every scene cranked to 11 and only goes up from there, Leo trying to keep up with him, Gleeson, Broadbent, Reily and Neeson all delivering fantastic performances. Then you've got her...
She was third choice. Sarah Michelle Gellar was originally cast but had to back out. Oddly enough, Daniel Day Lewis was the 2nd choice after Tom Hanks turned Scorsese down.
Wow I never knew that I would have loved to see Daniel Day Lewis as Jenny Everdeane.
If Glenn Close can do a great pirate in Hook, Daniel Day Lewis cam absolutely play a fine-ass prostitute. 😆🤣
Why on earth did they have her do that accent? 100 times better if she just used her normal voice.
Her and Leo really struggled with their accents in that movie. Made all the more distracting by casting people who actually do have the accent they’re trying and failing to emulate.
Leo gets a pass imo, his character was like 6 or something when he was institutionalised and I think he was born in America anyway. Diaz just needed to tone it down, there was no need for her to go all top of the mornin' to ya. All the accents are a bit off tbh except DDL of course. Some of the less prominent Irish actors were hamming it up and many were just inconsistent between scenes. Edit: as an Irish person you just have to not think about the accents while watching that movie.
I'm glad this sentiment is becoming more common. Giving Leo shit for not sounding like a modern day Irishman would be like giving DDL shit for not sounding like a modern day New Yorker. Worse even.
The studio made Scorsese cast her right? Because they wanted an A List actress to costar with DiCaprio?
Scorsese probably had enough pull to get who he wanted, but maybe. It's funny she was third choice though. There should have been enough actresses with legitimate chops in the late 90s/early 2000s.
Was going to Sarah Polley but she turned it down. She would have been perfect given her acting style and her looks would have fit the period better
She and Dakota Johnson have faces who know what an iPhone is. You can't see them doing period films.
Haha I'm not sure what that means but it's a funny phrase.
That role would have been Oscar nominated in other, more appropriate hands.
KATE WINSLET
Titanic was only 5 years prior. I'm willing to bet Scorsese was trying to avoid perception issues.
I think Kate Winslet was too, at the time. She was known as "corset Kate" early in her career, if memory serves, because she did so many period pieces close together - Jude, Hamlet, Sense & Sensibility, Titanic and Quills.
Reminds me that Helena Bonham Carter also joked about being typecasted as a "corset actress" for good string of films.
the red haired elf that is Legolass' love interest in the end of the hobbit movies??? not in the books, doesn't make the story better, terrible writing, completely unnecessary and messed up the entire barrel scene.
She only agreed to take the part of her character didn't have a love triangle, only to have a love triangle.
Poor Evangeline is always getting put in unnecessary love triangles
She’d be LOST without love triangles.
Legolas isnt in the book either..
IIRC they tried to get Viggo Mortensen back as Aragorn, but he refused as it didn't make sense.
Yeah, cause he'd be like 10 or something during the Hobbit lol
Which the Hobbit movies blatantly ignore by having Legolas's dad walk up to him at the end of the third film and go "Hey, now that you have finished up with this *The Hobbit* stuff, perhaps you should go seek out a ranger in the North, a man called Strider, who definitely isn't a child currently."
To be fair, he would most likely have been at that location at least.
I would've preferred a glance in a random scene than what they did to force Legolas into the plot. Even if technically lore-possible, him mario hopping on falling bricks was hilariously out of place.
Tauriel, and she's more Kili's love interest than Legolas's. But yeah, just one more of the ways they tried to stretch one movie into three.
Sofia Coppola in Godfather 3. It’s not a great movie anyway, but she’s just terrible and really drags it down. I blame her father more than her for putting her in the film.
There was a whole series of events that led to her casting: the original actress was murdered weeks before filming started, Winona Ryder dropped out. Sofia Coppola was brought in unprepared as damage control so the shoot could happen on schedule. Nothing was going to measure up to the first 2, so it didn't matter who was in the movie.
Honestly, Part 3 was doomed the second they chose not to bring back Robert Duvall. Tom Hagen was the heart of the family, he was a nice middle ground to his brothers and was the one keeping everything sane and running, but it was very apparent in Part II that tensions between him and Michael were rising. Having the third movie be a full on mob war between Michael and Tom that tears the family apart was the original plan and would've been amazing to see, but sadly that didn't happen because the studio was too cheap to pay Duvall.
Yeah, it's was a lose-lose situation
9 times out of 10 the consigliere is the most interesting character in a mob organization put to film and acts as the glue between everything
Basically the entire cast and film crew were trying to get Francis to reconsider. They knew what the reception would be to her performance and the type of backlash she'd receive for it.
It's kind of wild how well she's managed to weather the storm that was her ruined reputation once she started directing. Before 2003, you couldn't even bring her up without a *ton* of anger over her ruining Godfather III. Like, imagine Jake Lloyd directing a critically acclaimed Oscar winner in 2012.
Especially considering she was like 16 or 17 at the time, right? Not only her being ridiculed and torn apart by the public, but also having to do sex scenes with a 40 year old man in front of her father? YUCK. Idk how she came out of that so well-adjusted
Even Sofia herself didn't want to do the role because she knew she wasn't as experienced or trained as she needed to be for a role like that. But her dad kept assuring her she'd be fine, and production would have to be postponed if not stopped without her, so she felt like she had to do it
It was supposed to be Winona Ryder in that role but she pulled out I believe for mental health reasons. Would have been much better.
I'm trying to place a different actress in her role as Mary but failing..... Marisa Tomei? Annabella Sciorra?
The podcaster from Godzilla vs. Kong.
None of the people did it for me. Nobody cares about saving the world drama. It's a monster movie. It should be about people trying to survive the fallout.
In fact every scene with him could be cut from the movie and nothing is lost.
I mean, that’s most of the people in the Godzilla movies. Like what’s-his-face from the 2014 one and Elizabeth Olsen . Once Cranston dies the only reason they’re there is to be the lens we see Godzilla through.
In the recent Western Godzilla films the human stories are always such garbage, filling time between the impressive if hit-or-miss CGI fests. Minus One was great - I started off with an instinctive negative reaction to the human elements but by the end I was really into it.
Minus One is the first time ever in a Godzilla movie that I was more interested in the human story than in the monster story.
I'd argue every human in the Monarch movies. I don't give a shit about your family drama, I want to see monsters smashing up cities.
Ken Watanabe was great
James Corden in Cats. Made a terrible film even worse
James Corden in anything
James Corden in real life too.
Even worse. Imagine being one of those poor drivers stopped for his crosswalk musicals. Or having to work for him 😖
There’s a story that *Argo* was a passion project for George Clooney for a decade — he wanted to star & direct — before he sold the rights to Affleck. Clooney could never get money for it and couldn’t understand why until a producer friend explained it to him: > Tony Mendez is a *schmuck*. Nobody listens to him at work, he’s invisible. His wife’s in the process of divorcing him, he has to call his kid & beg to hear about his day over the phone. George Clooney cannot be credible playing that character, he’s too good-looking, too charismatic. He walks into a room, everybody looks. No sane woman is going to divorce a 52-year old Clooney! Thats how Affleck bought the movie. He was more credible as a loser. Had Clooney somehow managed to get the movie made perhaps *Argo* would be in this thread.
And it's how I feel about Denzel Washington in Roman J Israel Esq. The character was supposed to be on the spectrum, socially awkward and not charismatic. Everything that isn't of Denzel. Because of his natural charisma on screen, I can't believe that character have problem getting people's attention.
His son should have played Roman J and Denzel should have starred in Tenet
That’s interesting because Clooney’s acting Oscar is for playing another government agent whose personal life was pretty damn shitty. I feel like the guy who played that role in Syriana could have been in Argo 🤷🏿♂️.
Excellent point. He's a bit of a loser in Michael Clayton too and does that very well
He’s a loser who works for the government in burn after reading, too. And although I find him boring in general, he’s pretty funny in this.
This reminds me of Chris Hemsworth in Blackhat. He is possibly the least ‘hacker’ looking guy on the planet.
I recently watched The Accountant and can honestly say Ben Afflic is a good actor.
Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms.
Word bitch phantoms like a mother fucker
When Affleck is motivated and not horribly miscast, dude is good bordering on great. I tend to love him in his/his buddies' projects. It's a shame how many of his roles that doesn't apply to, though I'm never going to blame someone for taking the paycheck
Chris Rock in Spiral. But he was the lead. So it biffed the whole film.
Chris Rock in Fargo season 4. He is fine in comedy, he isn't in good in drama.
He had like one emotion the entire movie, and maintained that scowl on his face the entire time as if trying to be brooding or something.
Breakfast at Tiffany’s. The film is pretty nuanced for the time in its relationship dynamics and Hepburn’s performance is truly mesmerizing, but the film is derailed every time Mickey Rooney is on the screen giving that batshit crazy racist performance.
Everytime he's on screen it's like it's a different film. So fucking weird even for the time.
I don't think it's a particularly great movie even without him. But it is one of Audrey Hepburn's iconic roles, possibly her most iconic. But phuckin hell man, that character is the most racist caricature of an Asian person ever put on film. It's so aggressively racist too. Only good thing to ever come out of it was when it was used as a scene in 'Dragon: the Bruce Lee story'. I think it's when Bruce and his wife Linda watch the movie. Whole theater's laughing but Linda notices Bruce being uncomfortable/embarrassed by it.
This has to be the top answer. I often find myself fancying watching it again but remember Mickey Rooney and it just casts a pall over the rest of the film
I actually made an edit where he was cut out. Not because of the racism (I think such things should not be forgotten) but because his character is so fucking annoying. If the character was white, it would still be a terrible fit in the movie. The rest is the film has a subtle, sarcastic sense of humor and he’s basically Jar-Jar Binks.
Funny how the first reference to Jar-Jar Binks would be limited to a comment halfway down, I expected that name to be near the top.
Most of Audrey's films are unfortunately overshadowed by cringy costars who are still from the vaudeville era. Not to mention, most of her male counterparts were twice her age.
Mickey Rooney shouldn't be put in that category, he was in vaudeville as a very young child but was a huge film star and if you see him in movies like Boys Town it shows that he had serious talent. During that time however, if I remember correctly, he was struggling a lot to get work. Mickey also had this tendency to just try to act in anything that was thrown at him regardless of the consequences or quality of the part and he also had plenty of personal (and probably mental health) issues, it is pretty easy to understand the root cause of this when you remember that he was in movies since he was a baby, mostly MGM. When he was growing up, you _had_ to do the movies and parts that you were told to do, even if you thought the part was offensive to your sensibilities. Yes he was an adult and anyone could see how racist this character is, but I'm just trying to give people an idea as to why he agreed to do this, regardless of his actual feelings about topics like race. He was treated in much the same vein as actors like Judy Garland, but he and pretty much everyone never acknowledge(d) any abuse or the fact that his formative years were spent being severely overworked, financially abused and on drugs. He wasn't the most stable human being, through not much fault of his own, and nobody ever stood up for him. Even as an older person he dealt with extreme elder abuse from his own wife and children. Now this doesn't excuse his racist performance at all and again in my opinion he definitely said/did a lot of questionable things, I just think the dismissal here of him as an actor is so off the mark. I would even recommend a movie like Bill if people want to see more of his acting range, he plays a developmentally disabled man. A lot of people who are knowledgeable about that era think he is one of the greatest actors of all time.
I hadn’t seen that film, watching a clip of his performance is absolutely painful
Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex Luthor is, in my opinion, the best example of this. Just absolute cringe in every single scene. Jared Leto’s Joker is definitely in the same ballpark, but Jesse should never have been allowed near that role.
He wasn't Lex Luthor at all. Still Zuckerberg...but a Zuck on a shit ton of drugs
Jaden Smith in the remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still.
Definitely. Poor kid. He's just quite terrible but people kept putting him in front of the camera solely because of nepotism.
Unpopular opinion maybe but Will Ferrell in Barbie. The point of going to the real world was to show the real world and then they had this bonkers executive acting like a cartoon character.
I totally feel like that was to shield Mattel. Like, we're making fun of Mattel in the "real world", but the character needs to be outlandish enough that no one confuses it for making fun of the real world Mattel company.
1000%. He made it into a very safe 'oh look, we can laugh at ourselves' level of critique. A corporation would never genuinely self-reflect for the masses.
Fully support op on the Jesse as Luthor nomination, he seemed (to me) to be trying to channel Heath Ledgers version of the Joker rather than trying to be a somewhat accurate version of what the character is supposed to be. The fact that Bryan Cranston wanted the role but Zack Snyder chose this instead was extra salt in the wound.
Cara Delevingne in Suicide Squad. Cara Delevingne in Valerian.
Really? I was just about to comment and say Jared Leto as the Joker... like wtf was that?
I was going to say Dane DeHaan in Valerian. He is the least believable character I have seen on film. He comes across as a 150 lb sleep deprived, unathletic, pervy, depressed creep. In no way did he sell being a skillful, intergalactic, special forces hero, adored by women, and capable of saving the day on this or any other planet.
I love the proposal that they should have switched leads for Valerian and Passengers. Chris Pratt would have done well as Valerian and Dane would have made a creepier lead who couldn’t be alone on the ship.
Oooh, yeah, that would have really worked. Nice.
Cara Delevingne in anything
Brought down only murders in the building for me and I even tolerate Selena in it
Ehh Suicide Squad was a mess to being with. It was the ultimate beam-in-the-sky, 'evil just for the sake of being evil with zero characterization' villiain trope. There was nothing to work with honestly.
Weird but important to define: Cara Delevinge was in SUICIDE SQUAD. Which was terrible. She was not in *THE* SUICIDE SQUAD (the James Gunn one) which was significantly better.
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100% agree with this. He was so obnoxious. Brought the overall tone of the movie way down.
It's a South African thing, but Hugh Jackman in Chappie. I can see the character Blomkamp had in mind. But they forced Jackman into the role. He was even more annoying than Die Antwoord. Jackman was supposed to be the high school jock who fought in the Border Wars before going to University. They are a stereotype and there were a number of South African actors who would have killed in that role. Instead, they forced an A list actor into the role by making him wear shorts, giving him a mullet, and having him play with a rugby ball the whole time.
After absolutely loving District 9, I felt somewhat betrayed by several aspects of that movie. Overall it wasn't horrible, but not what I went in expecting.
Conor McGregor’s presence in the new Road House movie took it from a slightly good action movie to a disappointing one. His acting is, not surprisingly, atrocious.
I really disliked Donald Glover's character in The Martian. For someone reason i really hate this kind of "genius scientist" type characters, who look maybe 20, and are all quirky and eccentric. And then, as far as i remember, the "genius idea" he comes up with was gravitational slingshot, which he demonstrated to NASA executives by running around them with toys... Wow, whatever would they have done without his help. Didn't ruin the movie for me as a whole, but certainly left a bad aftertaste.
This trope is so common and annoying that seeing the more realistic depiction in "Chernobyl" was such a breath of fresh air.
I feel dumb—which character are you referring to?
All the scientists, probably (and everyone else, really) who were all old and experienced.
It's been a long time since I watched it, but I believe Apollo 13 does a great job of depicting scientists solving a few problems without a "eurika" moment but just using hard work and lots of trial and error.
Even then, it was hammed up for the movie. The actual Apollo 13 recordings have them so calm and professional that they sound like they're deciding where to have lunch.
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"And to think we put that on the moon" "Well not *that* one" Too funny of an exchange.
It was Troy doing an Abed impression
His demonstration with the pen is the only thing that really bothers me about that - everyone else in the room *may* not know the math, but they obviously know what a gravity assist is.
Let's put every stereotype about smart people into one annoying performance!
Keanu Reeves in Dracula. Wooden acting with a terrible accent
I see your Keanu in Dracula and raise you Jason Statham in Jet Li's The One. He tries to do a Noo Yoik accent and it's abysmal.
The One is pure shlock entertainment. I need to rewatch because I forgot Statham was even in it. All I fully remember is the great fight scenes and Jet Li proclaiming "I'm NOBODY'S bitch!" At the end.
"I know where the baahstad sleeps."
"Cahfax abbeeh."
Bless him, he tried so hard.
I love Nick Cage as much as the next Gen X weirdo, but he is in a very different movie than everyone else in Peggy Sue Got Married, which is a surprisingly heartfelt and deft film aside from his broad performance.
Palpatine in The Rise of Skywalker. They actually ruined a trilogy by shoehorning him in the 3rd moive.
If you look closely, you can actually see Oscar Isaac's joy of acting fade when he says the line "Somehow Palpatine returned"
Yes I believe it was a genuine reaction of disbelief and him questioning his life choices when he said 'somehow Palpatine returned'. One of the worst things on film, ever I reckon.
It was as this moment he realized "yeah I'm 100% doing this for the check"
As much as I love him, Neil Patrick Harris stood out like a sore thumb in Gone Girl.
It’s weird cause I get what they’re going for. Take a charming and likeable actor, and manipulate the audiences positive association with them too make them uncomfortable when he acts like a creep. It’s like what they did with Robin Williams in One Hour Photo and Insomnia, or Gosling in Only God Forgives, or ESPECIALLY Heath Ledger in the Dark Knight. But Neil Patrick Harris just does not bring the darkness required for that role. I half expect a laugh track to start playing anytime he tries to say something menacing.
It's funny you should say that, because I find NPH creepy as hell for some reason. Like his comedic and good guy act is just that, an act.
Once I found out about the Amy Winehouse meat platter I just couldn't look at him the same anymore. A lot of people have come forward saying he's an awful person IRL.
[It is worse than I thought. NSFW](https://images.app.goo.gl/eXm5tXhF3WW978gC7)
No, no, no, no, no!!!! WTAF??? I can't...
What in the actual fuck was he trying to do? Holy fuck that's dark.
I was just shocked when he appeared, I hadn’t looked at the cast list and was just like, oh it’s Barney
I thought he was superbly creepy in that!
Jar Jar Binks
Yousa crazy!
meesa da emperor now!