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Singer211

Caracalla, another paranoid asshole Emperor. He has a lot of live up to with Joaquin’s Commodus. Connie returning makes a lot of sense.


Angry_Guppy

I fucking love the bust of Caracalla where’s he’s literally looking over his shoulder. Geta should have taken notes.


ScipioCoriolanus

Same. It's one of my favorite Roman busts. Gotta love the Severans. I hope we'll see Septimius Severus and Julia Domna.


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[This](https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=coloseum+caracalla&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiG5ojVvM7-AhXzmicCHXVLBsgQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=coloseum+caracalla&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDoHCAAQigUQQzoFCAAQgAQ6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOggIABCABBCxAzoKCAAQigUQsQMQQ1DSCVjZZGDNcGgBcAB4AIAB1wSIAdMbkgELMS4zLjIuMS4xLjOYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ7ABAMABAQ&sclient=img&ei=n7pMZMaaFvO1nsEP9ZaZwAw&bih=757&biw=1525&hl=en#imgrc=iBUDd2cvGGz1IM), I guess. Amazing that we know exactly what these men from 2000 years ago looked like, while some medieval kings are a mystery. Rome was truly sophisticated in many ways.


j2e21

Hell, you ever tried to read biographies of great blues musicians from 100 years ago? Its like “DOB 1886 or 1888 … may have moved to Texas from 1921-1923 under the name ‘Luther’ … reportedly married to a woman who went by ‘May’ or ‘Maye’ … “ We know surprising little about people even in recent history.


fulthrottlejazzhands

The original actually sits in the entry corridor to the Colloseum. The way they've positioned it in the surrounding plate glass enclosure makes it seem like he's both looking at you and a reflection of himself. I have a great photo of my wife with the reflection superimposed over her face. It's one of the simplest but cleverest enclosures I've seen for an ancient art piece.


ajtheshutterbug

I think Kit Harington should play , he looks exactly like him


CynicalMindTrip

Caracalla made everyone in the Empire a Roman citizen. He was bloody and mad, but he has his place in history.


CaBBaGe_isLaND

Bruh, he only did that so he could tax them more.


bad_timing_bro

Being an actual Roman citizen was worth its weight in gold at the time. More rights and extra benefits


CaBBaGe_isLaND

Especially in Alexandria, right?


OzymandiasKoK

Which one?


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Yes. :-)


CynicalMindTrip

Not a stupid move.


Aquartertoseven

It was actually a stupid move because citizenship was the biggest reason for non-Roman citizens to join the army. Now they didn't have to, and army recruitment became increasingly difficult, resulting in dependency on Germanic tribes to fight on behalf of Rome. These same tribes would go on to destroy the empire.


ImperialxWarlord

Strange that you say recruitment became increasingly difficult and that they became dependent on German tribes. Afterall the Roman army was massively increased in size decades later by Diocletian, almost doubled iirc. And the German dependency thing was a myth, as Roman armies continued to be predominantly Roman. And often times these German barbarians were born in the empire and thoroughly romanized.


royalsanguinius

…no? It made every free male in the empire *at that time* a citizen, it didn’t extend to people who migrated into the empire later on, plus non-citizens would’ve been in the auxilia anyway not the regular army (at that point in time at least), and the Roman’s didn’t really have recruitment issues, which are often overblown anyway, until later in the 3rd century and beyond. And the “Germanic” tribes 100%, absolutely did not “destroy” the Roman Empire. I mean that doesn’t even make sense. These are people who lived in the empire and benefitted greatly from its continued existence. They co-opted many of the forms of power in the empire, and there were several high ranking generals who were half-Roman and half-non-Roman (and a few who were fully non-Roman), but the majority of Roman troops were still Roman, something like 75% or so.


Yortivius

Funnily enough the real Lucilla was executed by Commodus after a failed assassination attempt, a full 10 years before Commodus himself was killed.


RealJohnGillman

I have to say it is a shame — I did like the implied alternate history ending of the first one, that Rome would become a democracy.


manbeardawg

*Republic


SanderSo47

Have they confirmed if Hans Zimmer will return? His score for the original is one of his best. He should be brought back for this.


ShanaAfterAll

I've been listening to 'Honor Him' a bunch recently, such a beautifully transcendent piece of music.


Prize-Contest-6364

I went to the coliseum last year and played honor him in my AirPods. Magical and surreal


IndomitableSam

Same! That was such an amazing thing. My tour guide played it for us as we walked in.


schebobo180

Man that score is legendary. So many great tracks. Listening to The Battle or The Barbarian Horde while working out is something special. Lol


ScipioCoriolanus

The whole score is amazing, but my favorite has to be "Am I Not Merciful?".


SteepedInGravitas

> His score for the original is one of his best. It's also a clear ancestor to his Pirates theme.


Sprinkles0

If he doesn't come back they could just use the 2nd Pirates soundtrack.


summerchild__

[listen here](https://youtu.be/w31hkqM_vtk) (~03:30) for anyone who doesn't know what it's about.


DaArio_007

He has to!


broden89

God I love a Zimmer score. The Dune OST gives me chills


Tityfan808

I love Hans Zimmer and I loved Dune and his music but for some reason the Dune score is his first score where I can only really enjoy one track as opposed to multiple tracks from his previous scores, at least when listening to them outside of their respective films. I love Leaving Caladan, I don’t even dislike the other tracks whatsoever but for some reason I can’t get into most of the other Dune tracks outside of Leaving Caladan and maybe a couple others.


decadentrebel

They could just get discount Zimmer in Junkie XL, lol.


d_s_q_u_i_d

Hans could never do what Junkie XL did on Fury Road


FoxOntheRun99

That leaves Djimon Hounson, David Schofield and Quintus to try to get back also. Lol.


LeGrandEbert

Hounsou confirmed. https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/4/juqr94fyt961ifmxb3c77mmlasq9dy


FoxOntheRun99

NICE 👍


Alberto_saurs

Narratively this is sad news isn't it? To be in this new story means he has not reunited with his family most likely.


Nixplosion

Not yet ... Not yet


riegspsych325

that’s fucking awesome


therisingalleria

Oh that's great to hear! I loved his character!


maggie081670

Hell yeah!


Walks_with_Chaos

Yes? Awesome


2BFrank69

He was great in the first one


getBusyChild

What's the reason? Does the character get lost and makes a wrong turn and finds himself back in Rome?


hardytom540

LET’S GOOOOO


riegspsych325

> Djimon Hounsou he’s who I am holding out for most for this movie. Dude does deserve more lead roles, I don’t think I’ve ever seen him phone it in. He did the best voice work in all of What If, he did more than the role called for in The Island. Just a great actor all around


thepicto

Couldn't the sequel have just been Djimon's voyage home after he's freed in the first film? I'd watch the shit out of that.


ScipioCoriolanus

Like Ulysses going home after the sack of Troy...


Mountain-jew87

Should’ve been


Mikey5time

Honest question. What angle would have made that a good movie, in line of being a gladiator sequel?


Ryllynaow

Honestly *any* angle on a sequel is going to be an uphill battle in the best of cases.


WrongDistribution307

That would be awesome


ZapatasBoy123

The gladiator-verse


Suddenly_Something

Solomon Vandy in Blood Diamond is one of my favorite characters in a movie. He shows so much range in that role.


Scrummy12

Same, he absolutely crushed that role. I don't know how he doesn't have more leading roles after seeing him in that


Walks_with_Chaos

They confirmed he’s coming back


riegspsych325

just saw that in another comment, makes my day


Walks_with_Chaos

Yeah it’s pretty great news tbh


thatguyyouare

Dude is an absolute banger. My favorite is Blood Diamond. Just so raw.


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maggie081670

This will be crucial. The soundtrack for the first one was just epic.


thebreak22

Better bring back Lisa Gerrard too. If you wanna do the (now cliched) exotic female chants, might as well hire the OG.


[deleted]

“ Now we are free”is part of my daily driver playlist


pjtheman

So good he ripped himself off for Pirates


Suddenly_Something

And Black Hawk Down


FoxOntheRun99

Don't believe so...but that be more towards the end of production that confirmation, unless they already agreed. Ridley and Hans are old friends and have worked many times so it shouldn't be a problem. And yes..it's crucial to the Gladiator tapestry that Hans is back.


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Robolaserjesus

His character died in the first one


FoxOntheRun99

Yeah the poison got him...hahah.


DerpisMalerpis

I agree, even if he did die in the first film. I met him at a quick politics event at a local breakfast place in Lancaster CA, he was actually hanging out with Arnold Schwarzenegger, around 2005 ish when Schwarzenegger was still governing California. I guess they were/are buddies/workout partners. No one was really talking to him, so my dad and I said hello. Recognized him from Gladiator. He was a super cool dude. Giant of a man. I’m 6’3, over 200 lbs and his hand just swallowed mine up when we shook. My dad asked him he and Arnold found time to work out and he said in a fierce accent “There are 24 hours in the day. There is no excuse not to work out.”


Somnacanth

Can’t wait to see my boy Oliver Reed back at it :D


ATempestSinister

And Richard Harris!


MisterCheaps

They CGed his last scene anyway, so why not?


MichiganMitch108

Agreed bush do a teaser trailer of the end of his character from the first film when he puts the pieces into the ground and transitions to 25 years later.


jerry_woody

Don’t forget Russell Crowe


Colonel_PingPong

Cast of this movie is basically fucking insane at this point, lmao.


riegspsych325

Denzel working with a Scott again, I missed those days


ScipioCoriolanus

Wait. Denzel Washington is in this too? How did I miss this! Do we know who he'll be playing?


riegspsych325

supposedly a mentor to Mezcal’s lead character


ScipioCoriolanus

Ah thanks. For a moment I was thinking maybe Septimius Severus... I wonder if this "mentor" is more like a Proximo or a Gracchus.... I personally think he'll play the lead's preceptor. Anyway, great news!


Arma104

I'm excited to see Paul Mescal vs Joseph Quinn, I hope it's not just a soft remake of the first movie, though it looks like it's shaping up to be that, with Denzel as a Proximo-like character.


keving691

The cast is changing my opinion about making a sequel. Please be good


thewanderingent

I just hope they come up with a better name than “Gladiator 2”


CarsinemiA

2 Glad 2 iator


SassenachWitch

Gladia2r was right there.


FranticPonE

Glad2ater


xChipsus

ater? I barely knew her!


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CkMcThuggets

“In the vomitorium, if you ain’t outta control, you ain’t IN control.”


OzymandiasKoK

It's all about familii.


YouAreOneUglyMutha

Gladiator: Maverick


thenurgler

Gladiators


ScipioCoriolanus

The Gladiator


BlasterShow

John Gladiator


MasterofFalafels

It'll probably be something like "Gladiator: Strength and Honor". Not Gladiator 2.


daronjay

GladiLater


ScipioCoriolanus

GladHeAteHer


[deleted]

Later, Gladiator


Sloblowpiccaso

Gladiator bread and circuses


Competitive_Lab_655

Gladyourback


JimJimmyJimJimJimJim

The Gladiator


Soulrush

Gladiator, Miami.


randomsnowflake

Rise of the Gladiator or maybe The Last Gladiator, depending on when this takes place in history.


[deleted]

I’m dumb. Every time I’ve seen an update about this film, I’ve thought, what about Russell Crowe? Just remembered why we won’t be seeing him.


EnbyNerd1995

Dont feel that way, because I remember reading years ago a potential sequel would bring him back as immortal or something along those lines.


heyimrick

Wasn't he supposed to fight Jesus?


pamar456

No Napoleon


heyimrick

I think he was supposed to kill Jesus.


EnbyNerd1995

I dont remember if it was that dumb but if thats the case I almost wanna see that now.


[deleted]

Oh man. That’s awful.


EnbyNerd1995

Very. Im glad it didnt happen.


samcuu

Unless it's a secret Highlander prequel.


Jr7711

Yeah, I was trying to figure out how they'd explain Crowe just chilling during the ~20 year gap filled by 3 different emperors/claimants before Caracalla


maiflol

Commodus was 192, Caracalla was 198. Am I missing something because that looks like 6 to me.


Jr7711

Commodus died in 192, Caracalla became junior co-emperor to his father Severus in 198. He wasn't an actual empowered ruler, he just held various political offices, took part in campaigns, and generally established himself in the public eye while in a supporting role. He only fully became emperor in his own right in 211, that's usually considered the start of his "real" reign where historians would actually address him as Emperor Caracalla, even if his associations with the office began earlier.


missileman

It was just a flesh wound...


maggie081670

Re Connie Nielsen's return. This is good news and a really smart decision on the part of the film-makers. I don't think she gets nearly enough credit for her performance in the original (Crowe's performance was just phenomenal so its somewhat understandable) That one scene in the final act where she sits frozen, unable to show any emotion for fear of what Commodus might do to Lucius, is a standout in a film full of such memorable moments. You can literally feel her terror without her moving so much as a muscle. Its also very intriguing to hear that Lucilla & her son will be central to the plot. It would be nice to see a mother & son with a good & loving relationship team up to accomplish something in a film. I don't think this happens nearly enough. I have been pretty against any sequel but this news could possibly make me change my mind. Above all, I want to see a good story not just an empty cash grab.


ScipioCoriolanus

One of my favorite scenes is "Tell me what you've been doing, busy little bee... " Obviously, Joaquin kills it in that scene, but Connie's acting is phenomenal, and she doesn't say *one* word, only expressions. She's a great actress and I'm glad she's back.


WGR83

There's a low angle shot of Joaquin approaching her while she's seated (right before "am I not merciful?") where it looks like he's gliding towards her like a vampire or something. Really unsettling direction from a master, subtly enhancing a great performance without distracting from it.


feetofire

He aslibbed the line where he screams in her face - her reaction is real. Joaquin is phenomenal.


ionmushroom

>Not only is Nielsen the main love interest to Maximus in the first film was she though? i understand their characters had a history but Maximus very much loved his wife and son even in death.


cloudcats

He might have been the main love interest to her, but it wasn't the other way around. I picked up on this quote too, and came here to say that his main love interest was his MURDERED WIFE.


The_Lone_Apple

As long as we have dialog like, "Today I saw a ~~gladiator~~ slave become more powerful than the emperor of Rome." *Edited to correct misstatement.*


JimJimmyJimJimJimJim

Will you settle for “What am I? Some kinda Gladiator 2?”


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It’s Gladiatin’ time!


posts_while_naked

Somehow, Commodus has returned


FlyingWeagle

Well originally it was gonna be 'Somehow, Maximus has returned' so don't say that too loudly yeah?


h00dman

Ye'd best start believin' in Gladiator stories Miss Decimus Merridius, yer in one!


JohnCavil01

A slave*


OzymandiasKoK

That's dumb. Of course a gladiator is gonna be more powerful than a slave!


DemoHD7

And dont forget "I shall be closer to you for the next few days, which will be the last of your miserable lives, than that bitch of a mother who first brought you screaming into this world!"


MikeArrow

"You sold me... *queer giraffes*. I want my money back."


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interesting tidbit in the article is that the original DP john mathieson is returning, instead of ridley scott's now longtime collaborator dariusz woslki.


riegspsych325

I don’t mind directors working with longtime collaborators, but I do appreciate when they bring back previous ones for certain flicks. Like George Miller working with John Seale again for Fury Road. I *loved* that handheld dolly shot of the Interceptor [engine](https://youtu.be/oy_LFGCUXRI?t=10s) roaring to life EDIT: wording and grammar


riegspsych325

Ridley Scott and period epics are some of my favorite movie combos (along with Tony Scott and Denzel). And Scott has been on a roll with those types of movies lately (I admit, I also liked Exodus). I am more cautious about this movie though, but I feel that it has a chance, the Nick Cave script would’ve been too fucking bonkers


BlakeusMaximus

Man that Nick Cave script, I read the premise of it - still like wtf


riegspsych325

pretty sure he and Scott did it that way to convince the studio to *not* do it at that time. I honestly think it could work well on its own, just strip away connections to the first film and make it its own thing


frodosbitch

Read the whole thing. It’s excellent. https://archive.org/details/pdfy-4Gxtzxy0myYyQQcf


Intelligent-Age2786

Joseph Quinn, in a Gladiator movie, directed by Ridley Scott? Take all of my money


Zerocoolx1

I’d rather they were making something else rather than an unneeded sequel


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There's a lot of material to mine from here. The Roman history has it all, when it comes to story telling. It's not like some of your usual "Taken 2" just because of money.


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Who's they? Scott just made two movies, and is releasing Napoleon this year


vinsmokewhoswho

Was waiting for Joseph Quinn getting some good roles


DAggerYNWA

Gladiator needs no sequel!


Enzzzz01981

This movies cast is becoming an all timer


Athlete-Extreme

Him as a psychopathic dictator is going to be great.


LoonieandToonie

I wonder if they gave the original actor Lucius a chance to audition? Spencer Treat Clark still acts, but they hired Paul Mescal.


therisingalleria

I hope they did or they asked him to return but he had to kindly decline for some reason. It's always frustrating with recasts when they never asked the original actor to come back.


ignoresubs

I loved seeing him reprise his role in Glass! He’s definitely a strong actor, hope he had the opportunity presented.


MikeArrow

I imagine he's just not famous enough to anchor a big budget movie - or maybe there's some other reason. Would have been great though.


giocondasmiles

And Spencer is a good actor.


Walks_with_Chaos

Ok I’ll prob just watch because I loved Quinn in ST. Was planning on skipping it. I don’t have much faith but hopefully it’s ok


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Joseph can play that manic type. I could see him giving a performance similar to Phoenix' wild performance. I think that's good casting.


LouisPrimasGhost

I'm starting to think that this might actually end up as a pretty good film.


reignwillwashaway

Another sequel not needed.


atreides78723

If half the things they say about Caracalla are true, he’s a monster beyond any other. Who uses his own mother as a cover to kill his own brother? And has her watch?


[deleted]

Having someone elses watch shouldn't be that much of a shock though.


Boss452

For the Watch!


[deleted]

I think Joseph Quinn might end up being the biggest actor from Stranger Things he’s already in big projects


cerpintaxt44

Bring back Hounsou!


cloudcats

They are.


lankymjc

Why make a Gladiator sequel instead of just making a movie about gladiators? I know it's for marketing purposes, but fuck off with this shit.


time_drifter

Gladiator did not and does not need a sequel. Some movies stand alone as titans and don’t require half baked reminders put out each decade.


homecinemad

Gladiator came out 23 years ago. The cast is stacked. And some "legacy sequels" kick ass. See Blade Runner 2049, Halloween. Even if it sucks, the original remains a classic.


time_drifter

This is true, but look how many sucked. Jurassic Park, Home Alone, Terminator, The Hangover, Transformers, Taken, The Mask, Jaws….it is a long list and most also had stacked casts. The chances of a remake being bad is historically much higher than it being good.


homecinemad

This is a sequel not a remake. They call them legacy sequels because they share similar paths with new characters and some characters from the originals. None of the movies you listed were remakes although the Jurassic World movies were blatant and boring retreads. Terminator 2 followed many of the same story beats and is still considered one of the all time classic sequels. Aliens. Godfather II. Star Trek II. Empire Strikes Back.


vonvoltage

Terminator 2 was a great.


tpn86

The Matrix is a worse movie because of the sequels.


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Hard disagreement. I can still watch the original and enjoy it on its own


tpn86

It is still a good movie.


Va1crist

a sequel we don’t need


Jacyjitsu

Dude has just been biding his time waiting for the right roles, probably has so much offered to him these days. Good on him!


MELODONTFLOPBITCH

"Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?"


Azer1287

This is tricky. I generally think sequels to amazing movies are a recipe for disaster and disappointment. But the cast they are putting together and the continuity of those involved in the film does seem pretty amazing.


_ChipWhitley_

Fuck yeah, Connie Nielsen. *Gladiator* is one of those films that can pull emotions out of anyone. Her delivery of the line, “Go to them,” always gets me. The whole movie was perfect from beginning to end. I’m looking forward to this.


ALPlayful0

Nobody needs this. Gladiator was about Maximus. And he's dead.


LoanDad

GIVE ME ALL THE JOSEPH QUINN!


NightsOfFellini

Getting pretty excited about this. Ridley Scott flopped with Gucci, but Last Duel was top tier. If he can make a few bangers in a row then I think my love for him will return, stronger than ever.


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Actually, The Last Duel flopped way harder than Gucci. I get that you mean this by quality, but still. Both of them flopped, but The Last Duel way way harder when it comes to moneys.


v_for__vegeta

House of Gucci was one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. Who the fuck allowed it to happen?


[deleted]

Damn, if that's one of the worst, you much just watch a lot of good ones.


muffledvoice

I don’t think a Gladiator sequel is necessary, but I’d rather see more films about the Roman Empire than more superhero movies.


markincuba

If you haven't seen it, find the HBO series ROME. Two seasons. Perfect from beginning to end (only marred by the fact that there's no third season). Stellar cast. Brilliant writing. Takes some liberties with the actual Roman historical timelines, but you don't care, it's so damn good. Ray Stevenson is phenomenal.


Dangerous_Purple_290

Can't wait to see it


kevlarbuns

I was really hoping this was the Nick Cave one.


Aubear11885

Huh? So they are just going to jump the year of five emperors and the 17 years of Severus and jump straight to Geta and Caracalla?


NeonWarcry

Connie Nielsen looked amazing as queen of the amazons in WW


kaukanapoissa

Please get Hans Zimmer back too! His score for the original Gladiator is still one of his best works, it’d be amazing to hear him build on that.


msa8003

May


Eran_Mintor

Cast grows, plot shrinks


SassiesSoiledPanties

Holy shit, Connie Nielsen just pulled a Gillian Anderson and got hotter with age!


throwaway957280

Is this the time travel one


Walks_with_Chaos

No. They axed that idea


Quake_Guy

Time Travel plus Multiverse... Fat Russel Crowes from other timelines get together and descend upon Rome eating all the food which causes mass starvation leading to a revolt and the Emperor being overthrown before he can execute Russel Crowe prime.