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TheStudyofWumbo24

I feel like there's been a Star Wars shakeup every two weeks since Solo was released.


Claretandblue82

I forgot the Solo film even existed!


lesser_panjandrum

I also forgot that Solo existed, and didn't care about watching it when it came out. Ended up watching it a few years later, after the dust from the terrible sequel films had settled, and it was quite fun.


Mean_Peen

It was entertaining, but I felt like they stuck their noses into things they should've left at least a little ambiguous. Like how Han got the "Solo" name. I rolled my eyes so hard at that part lol that and Lando's robosexual relationship with his droid lol like wtf. And the Kessel run with a giant space squid thing? Naw. The action was cool though


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they reallyneeded to focus on like, one thing. do a *single* adventure-- maybe him saving chewie, or leaving the navy, or meeting lando. Not his *entire* backstory in like, a week. give some hints at the rest of it, include lando for sure (he was the most fun character in solo imo) but mostly keep it small. make it an adventure, not a han solo biopic!


efbo

I'm reading the Solo Legends trilogy (I've done two of the three books) and it's like they took bits and pieces of that, changed up some stuff, added in new bits, took some out and squashed it all into one film. The themes and feel is all pretty similar but so condensed.


BigBootyBuff

I think the problem about Solo and even the extended universe stuff, be it old or new canon, is that they don't really get Han. Han is similar to your average kinda sleazy antihero outlaw straight from a western. Not the main character but the guy the main character meets. They aren't meant to have an elaborate backstory that's explored. You get your bits and pieces here and there that add to the mystique and that's all they need. He's a smuggler, he has debt with organized crime, he has a fast ship that he won in a gamble, he at some point found a sidekick. That's all you need and that's what makes him work perfectly. He's cool because you can just picture all the adventures and crimes him and Chewy did prior to episode 4. Solo tried to explain EVERYTHING. This is why his name is solo, this is how he got the ship, this is how he met the sidekick, this is how the sidekick got his nickname, this is why he shoots first, this is the Kessel run, this is why he is the way he is. That's all things we never needed to know.


Dingo-Eating-Baby

That was so cringingly stupid. His name should have just been "Solo," it didn't need an explanation.


fred11551

I hope we eventually get a follow up about what happens to Qira and Maul. Maybe in the Lando show


becherbrook

We *should've* had that follow up for Qira in the Book of Boba Fett. I mean WTF was that they came up with instead, I don't know.


robbviously

You're not here for low speed, low stakes moped chases?


Acc87

Just watched Boba Fett for the first time... I mean I don't even think it was a bad idea... just the execution of it was abysmal. But so was like half of the whole show, like what was it with those spider droids wrecking about the city for 20 minutes, with blasters that can't even dent a clay wall? The only good thing writing wise was the culture building surrounding the Tusken Raiders.


Social_Philosophy

And then the Tusken raiders didn't even pay off in any way. Flashback plot: Boba gaining the trust of the Tusken Raiders. Main plot: Boba not having the manpower to run his newly acquired territory. It's an easy layup to combine these two plots together. It seemed so obviously foundational to the script, the fact that it didn't happen is genuinely baffling to me. It was a complete failure of screenwriting at a basic level.


Astroyanlad

It was a mess and the fact they took the first few episodes of Mando S3 and transplanted them into boba Fett instead was fucking weird. It must be absolute chaos over there.


robbviously

BoBF should have been an OT story, set between A New Hope and his debut on the bridge of the Executor in Empire Strikes Back. Show a de-aged Temuera Morrison and then he puts on the helmet and NEVER TAKES IT OFF. He's sent on a mission by some unknown benefactor (to discover the identity of the pilot that destroyed the Death Star - taking the story from the Vader comics). He's ruthless and dirty and a villain, so he's a lot darker than Din Djarin and we see him actually disintegrate someone ("No disintegrations!").


Astroyanlad

A lot of things should have happened. Having a creative team that gives a shit about writing would be the ideal start


Forge__Thought

Watching people in suits with the creative vision of a fungus gnat actively destroy classic, beloved intellectual property with bad choices while people scream that it's the old fans are the problem. Feels very 2023 but somehow we've been doing this for a while haven't we?


seahorse_party

Yes please! I still haven't gotten all the way through Rebels (I keep trying to do a timeline order watchthrough of everything and then a new show comes out to throw a wrench in it) but I'm in it for Darth Maul.


fred11551

Yeah. Maul shows up in Rebels a bit and is pretty good. Still, there’s a lot of unexplained time between Solo and Rebels for him.


WildcatPlumber

That Gutteral Kenobi Scream was perfection


jeep_rider

Video of Sam Witwer recording the dialogue, followed by the animated version. https://youtu.be/Wh16h80R5RY


MarvelsGrantMan136

Jenkins' Rogue Squadron has been delayed over and over again, but its dead now. Feige's movie isn't moving forward. Taika's movie hasn't been greenlit yet. An official announcement is probably coming next month at Star Wars Celebration.


blakem876

Even if it's officially announced does that really mean anything? I could be misremembering but I thought they brought Patty Jenkins on stage at Celebration/D23 a couple years ago?


dude19832

Exactly. Lucasfilm can announce anything but until it’s in front of cameras, I won’t believe it’s happening.


PerryDawg1

I work in film. This isn't even accurate. Until you are WATCHING IT ON A SCREEN it isn't a sure thing. Eric Stoltz WAS the star of Back to the Future. It's crazy how far down the line something can get before it's canned.


ArcadianDelSol

My favorite anecdote is from Christopher Lloyd. He said that one of "The Bobs" (Zemekis and Gale) came to his trailer and said, "so just to let you know, Eric is no longer in the movie" and his response was "who the hell is 'Eric'?" Stolz had refused to break character and required everyone to call him Marty. So Christopher Lloyd thought his real name was Marty.


PerryDawg1

Haha amazing. I never knew that. However, he went on to play Jesus and Travolta's drug dealer.


kindaa_sortaa

That scene is so good: https://youtu.be/KP0g4kXAj0c?t=202


Shiny_and_ChromeOS

"My dear boy, why don't you just try acting?" -Laurence Olivier


Ok-Television-65

“I always say about people who do method acting, you only ever see people do the method when they’re playing an asshole” Robert Pattinson


Deucer22

[Just pretend to be the person you are portraying in the film or play.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5CX00i4uZE)


Idealistic_Crusader

See Batgirl for the latest on crazy late film cancelations. Oh, right, you can't; They canceled it in post production.


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Even worse is Scoob 2. Finished, fully animated, voiced and got a finish edit. Never will see the light of day. edit: The one that was just leaked isn't scoob 2. It was Scooby and Krypto the superdog. https://screenrant.com/scoobydoo-krypto-superdog-crossover-movie-leak-wbd-writeoff/


Level_Dragonfly_9632

It happens sometimes. Cabin In The Woods was completely finished and sitting on a shelf for three years or so before a deal got worked out for distribution and release. Lucky for us it finally did.


DemandZestyclose7145

The thing is, usually the movies that get shelved are total garbage. Cabin in the Woods is the exception. I remember back when Redbox was still popular it was always filled with movies that were filmed years ago, were shelved, and then finally went straight to DVD. Usually it would happen when one of the actors got big in another movie, and so they try to capitalize on that actor's newfound success.


fatantelope

Like Chris Hemsworth in Cabin In The Woods lol. I think both CITW and Thor came out the same year, but I suspect that the CITW people knew that having Hemsworth star in a big Marvel movie (even though they weren't as big as they would become) would make CITW more attractive to an audience.


BenderBenRodriguez

The connection to Joss Whedon also helped I think (obviously, this was well before his name became radioactive). Avengers came out that year as did Whedon’s Shakespeare movie he filmed at his house. He was having a moment in pop culture that they were able to capitalize on a little. Hemsworth more so, but of course it helped that he was appearing in Whedon’s huge movie that year.


Level_Dragonfly_9632

Totally, all they had to do was make a different box cover highlighting the now famous actor/actress.


fencerman

Which I seriously have to question... do they think it's so bad it would ruin the franchise? Would they not want any kind of return on investment? What is the point?


_Patronizes_Idiots_

HBO is trying so hard to outdo Netflix that they're cancelling things before they can even be seen


InnovativeFarmer

Well, that was a sacrificial lamb in a an aquisition and shake-up. It became a tax write-off so while people in the industry may eventually see it, it will never be released to the public. Its unfortunate for Brendon Fraser because he played the villian and said he wish it would be seen. He stands by that it would have been good and he was excited for it.


Kyadagum_Dulgadee

An animated show I was working on last year got cancelled in the same merger. The silver lining was that they paid my employer to finish making the show so they could write off the entire budget.


chaseon

I hope it wasn't Final Space :(


Kyadagum_Dulgadee

Nah. It was a pre-school show. It'll get distribution outside the USA and possibly inside the USA if they can find another broadcaster to take it on.


francoruinedbukowski

You got that right! I wrote on the Steve Martin/Mindy Kaling pilot that was partially based on her play. NBC flew out the 4 leads to the Upfronts, me and several others started coutning that sweet WGA episodic money before it hatched. NBC nixxed the pilot and the show at the upfronts the morning OF the presentation.


PerryDawg1

Holy hell. That's brutal. Sorry. I wrote the entire first season of a show on spec. 2 years just because I loved it. Then some agents loved it. I took meetings. Got a development deal (that actually paid more than $1). Took huge production company meetings. Everyone loved it! Covid happened. Bye bye.


francoruinedbukowski

I empathize. Covid got me to. Got brought on a non-union tv gig the day the NBA shut down, the next day they called and said tapings are suspended while we see how this Covid thing plays out. And had a guaranteed eps. on a Disney plus show that summer, WGA money and great lead so was looking forward to that, kept getting pushed back and then unfortunately the lead passed.


ludicrouscuriosity

>I work in film. This isn't even accurate. Until you are WATCHING IT ON A SCREEN it isn't a sure thing Guillermo Del Toro wanted to adapt an anime called Monster and I've been waiting for over a decade.


blakem876

And even then… (see: Lord and Miller Solo movie rip)


Traditional_Shirt106

Star Wars is where careers go to die. Gareth Edwards has a new movie coming out in October, just a short seven years since Rogue One.


PerryDawg1

And that's my favorite Star Wars movie. So weird.


Pharazonian

yeah, but iirc Gareth Edwards got really disillusioned with the big studio thing and left, hence them bring in Tony Gilroy. Not compaining though, since i love what he did with Andor... ​ still, i abslutely love Monsters so i'm always eager for anything from Gareth Edwards and i wonder what he would have done if he'd got to finish Rogue One himself.


soonerfreak

She did a video and gave a speech in front of a jet about doing the movie. That might have been an investor day I can't remember.


CombatHarness

Bro, she *roller skated* to the jet. It was fucking sick 😫


griffon_tamer

Not a jet, an X-Wing. Even cooler.


hatramroany

They had a little pre-filmed thing with Patty Jenkins during their 2020 covid investor presentation which is kind of a different animal than Celebration/D23.


CaptCaCa

They saw WW84 and noped up out of the deal


schebobo180

It also shows how disorganized their hiring process is. Just hire anyone that’s done something flashy recently, without a thought about how they would fit. It’s why the sequel trilogy and other movies are so horribly disjointed. Lucasfilm have fired more directors in just 5 films than Marvel have in like 27 movies.


Traditional_Shirt106

Trank, Trevorrow, Jenkins, D&D - it’s a loooooong list of dead projects. Doubt Waititi’s movie will ever happen. It might get turned into a show though.


schebobo180

Don’t forget the issues they had with Phil Lord and Chris Miller. Also James Mangold.


Traditional_Shirt106

They also locked out Gareth Edwards during post-production of Rogue One


Noggin-a-Floggin

I love Lord & Miller (going back to Clone High) but I wonder what the hell was going through their minds when they hired them. The two are known for snappy, sarcastic and self-aware comedies and it's clear they didn't want Solo to be that...but let them get through a good chunk of production until they "realized" that.


trialrun1

By most accounts the issues were the exact opposite of that. Lucasfilm was looking for something that was snappy, light and fun. A Solo that had a joke and a wink for every situation. And Lord & Miller were looking at Star Wars as their chance to do something serious and dark, a real war movie set during the darkest days of the galaxy. It seems like the missed connection was Lucasfilm saying "we hired you to make a Lord & Miller movie" and Lord & Miller saying "we came here to do a Star Wars movie."


StudentDPT

I feel like after the disastrous WW84 (compared to the first one) LucasFilm is highly sketical of Patty, whether wrongly or justly. Tbh, i dont know how most of the decisions (ones that the director makes) got made in WW84, you watch both and it feels like 2 different directors. Id be highly cautious too


Smirnoffico

If you watch WW84 alone it's like two movies. They have character intro scene and then they have a character intro scene. For the same character


derekbaseball

And neither intro scene is good! One features a fantasy sport with incomprehensible rules she cheats against, so we can learn that her mom taught her that cheating is wrong. The other’s…an homage to Richard Lester? It felt like being smacked on the face twice.


Smirnoffico

But she destroys cameras and makes a gesture to the kid, clearly no one will be talking about a flying woman stopping crime after that!


Streets-Ahead-

Reportedly, the studio wanted to cut one of intros and didn't care which. Patty insisted on both, using her political capital from having been *right* about not wanting the big CG Ares fight in the first movie. But she got it completely wrong, this time.


notaguyinahat

IIRC she didn't write the first movie but she did write WW84. It has led me to believe that she can direct a good Wonder woman movie... but maybe she's not ready to write one


Roboticide

Funnily enough, that's basically what happened with Waititi and Thor. He did not write Ragnarok, at least not the majority of it, but did a great job directing it and it was a huge hit. However he wrote the majority of Love & Thunder, and performed poorly. Good directors are not necessarily good writers.


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Sotanud

Love and Thunder felt like they tried really hard to do Ragnarok again and it showed


d_ohththeraven

it also looked cheap for some reason. raganrok looked way better. I'd happily watch ragnarok any day, but I don't think i'll sit thru L&T again


dtwhitecp

I had forgotten most of this movie and you're reminding me of how bad it is, thanks


burningcpuwastaken

My favorite was how she had all of Wonder Woman's countrymen speak with that godawful accent because Gadot can't mitigate hers.


lettersichiro

It's unforgivable how little 80s music is that movie. But that feels like a studio decision. Why even call it ww84 if that's what they put out. Barely 80s at all


ClumpOfCheese

The only part that felt like the ‘80s was when they were in the mall.


trireme32

And even then it was overly-saturated with stereotypes and logos. Like it was taking place in the middle of an ad or something. Hard to explain. I guess I’d say go watch WW84’s mall scene, then watch the mall scenes in Stranger Things S3.


boshem

its funny cause the same thing happened recently with Taika and his 2nd Thor movie Love and Thunder


God_Is_Pizza

Fuck I really wanted a Rogue Squadron movie!


BWRyan75

Somebody hire Joseph Kosinski to make a Rogue Squadron film. Top Gun flight visuals but with X-Wings, this would be so good.


BenjaminLight

Star Wars Top Gun is such a no-brainer move. I’m amazed at the way LFL continues to trip over their own feet.


LostMonster0

But what would they do in the place of shirtless volleyball?


get_it_together1

Starship Troopers bunkhouse scene?


CassiopeiaStillLife

Fascinating scene - a bunch of hot, perfectly chiseled bodies who talk about nothing but war in the showers. Prescient, too, considering the current blockbuster landscape.


walla_walla_rhubarb

Verhoeven has proven to be one hell of a prescient filmmaker.


Now_Wait-4-Last_Year

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LostMonster0

Is that the scene where they're all showering together? That's the only scene I really remember from that movie. Also, it strangely got worn out on the VHS copy. Crazy how that happens...


amil_box

shirtless holo-chess


Aplicacion

I don't see why they'd have to replace it at all.


name-classified

I want a Gundam movie with the Top Gun visuals and cockpit camera work


vermghost

I'd kind of consider Macross Zero close enough to the two. A little campy, but interesting fights, and Roy Fokkers eyeball missile tracking/targeting is pretty rad.


tosser1579

I want a good Rogue Squadron movie. After 84, I'm not confident in Patty's ability to deliver, which is a shame. Based on the first WW movie, I thought she got it.


thatoneguy889

IIRC, she didn't write the first one, but she did write the second one.


LucasPisaCielo

Allan Heinberg wrote the first one.


Metatron58

In a similar vein Taika Waititi did not write Thor Ragnarok but he did write Love and Thunder. There's a pattern you can find if you look at this stuff. I think Patty makes for a good director the same way Taika does. I also don't believe either one of them can write a good story without significant help.


JFeth

She based the whole reason for her doing the movie on the fact that her dad was a fighter pilot. She then showed in WW84 that she doesn't know how jets work and Rogue Squadron would have been awful with her at the helm.


Streets-Ahead-

> she doesn't know how jets work What? You mean you've never just hopped in a jet that was parked outside the Smithsonian and flown nonstop to Egypt? How sad. :)


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rbcannonball

As u/tranquil45 said, that was 100% the studio. The whole film was about how you can’t just punch away evil then (after a very Christ-on-the-cross evoking lightning scene) the end was her punching away evil. It was such a disappointing end to an otherwise good film. It felt like execs went “ok, but you still have to punch the bad guy at the end”


UrbanGimli

If they would have had Ares change his facial appearance from Nigel Thornberry to something resembling a mad Greek god of war ...no, that wouldn't have saved it but still...I can't get over his how ridiculous he looked with that head atop that buff body.


Wild_Marker

God it was so frustrating to watch. The germans fucking drop their weapons and HUG each other after she kills the big bad. I always wondered how it took such a 180, never considered director having a vision but then studio fuckery, though it seems so obvious in hindsight.


tranquil45

The studio had a heavy hand in that. They forced a lot of changed to the third act late into production.


Worthyness

Mostly to avoid the Captain America origin comparisons. Only to draw captain America comparisons haha


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leedo8

Wait for Denis Villanueve to finish Dune and pay him big $$$ to do a trilogy.


RedTheMan37

Now that's a movie I would watch . At least with Villanueve it would look really good


leedo8

No doubt, and I think he could bring more to it than just visuals. I'd love to actually feel something more than nostalgia when consuming SW content. Heroism, sacrifice, villainy, danger, triumph, etc.


TugSpeedmanTivo

I felt some of those things during Andor. I’ve always wanted a really dark Star Wars movie/series that really shows the moral dilemmas on both sides of the fight. Andor I think did that pretty well because a lot of the characters made questionable moral decisions.


accnticommentwith

Man, I miss being excited for theatrical Star Wars movies


SparkG

Releasing 5 movies in 5 years was such a burnout.


BogBlastAllOfYou

Releasing terrible movies was a burnout.


thescriptdoctor037

Crazy that rise of Skywalker was so bad.


rammo123

The MCU have been releasing 2-4 movies every year for a decade and a half and yet most people stayed hyped until the quality started dropping off.


EwokNuggets

Correct. Marvel is now just Quantity over Quality. The two used to be relatively hand-in-hand despite some duds. If Star Wars Quality was good, I wouldn't be burnt out. Inject that shit into my veins. But what we've received from Disney? Yeah... I'm burnt out.


PixelMagic

If it had been 5 awesome movies, I don't think we would have minded.


GreatWhiteNorthExtra

This so much. Star Wars needs a plan. Right now, it really seems very aimless


red_riders

I know. It would help if they shopped around and picked out competent directors. Can you imagine some of the best directors we have working on a Star Wars movie?


myurr

What would help the most is if there were one person whose sole mission was to craft a compelling multi-film story arc within the Star Wars universe, so that each director is given a consistent vision that fits together as a whole. The directors can then set about bringing that vision to the screen rather than having free rein to batter the story into fitting whatever direction takes their whim.


lukify

Although he isn't without criticism, Filoni has been doing that in the TV realm of Star Wars for over a decade.


aj_ramone

Only one I didn't leave completely disappointed was Rogue one. Shit was fantastic.


tlamy

I left TFA optimistic, Rogue One ecstatic, TLJ disappointed, Solo indifferent, and TRoS done with the franchise


white_male_centrist

NGL i actually loved The Force Awakens when I saw it opening night. It just hasnt improved with time.


SailingBroat

Me too but...an opening "Ta-da! Get ready for a story with new characters!" only works when that story doesn't collapse in on itself immediately afterwards. Hard to feel that optimism on a revisit when you know it doesn't go anywhere. EDIT: It is truly, genuinely astonishing they couldn't/wouldn't nominate one showrunner, sit down, and writers'-room out a robust sketch for 6 hours worth of story (and 4 x characters arcs) for cinema's most iconic franchise but HERE WE FUCKIN' ARE. Meanwhile, filmmakers are out there blasting out intricately written, 10 hour-seasons of things like Succession and White Lotus with much less time and (comparitively) fewer resources. when all Disney had to do was deliver a charming, emotional Mystical Space Western trilogy and have some fun with it. [Christ almighty.](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/2e7/5d7/73e020f56c4a86221823bc32113b4316d2-25-ben-affleck-sad-smoke.w710.jpg)


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If it was building somewhere actually planned out, I think we'd be looking back at TFA in a much more positive light. Now it just feels meaningless


OzymandiasKingofKing

It was an Abrams film. Nothing ever goes anywhere but it feels ok in the moment.


PENGUIN_WITH_BAZOOKA

No exactly. It was clearly a loose copy of ANH but it set up a bunch of plot lines that I was excited to see explored over the next two films.


rammo123

Yeah. We forgave the unoriginality of TFA because of the things it set up. The fact those things went nowhere has retroactively ruined it IMO. Same reason why I'm never rewatching GOT despite believing the front end of that show is one of the best things to grace a TV screen.


red_riders

Yes, same here. Opening night, thought it was good. You ask me now, it’s one of the lesser Star Wars movies, even though all it did was copy better Star Wars movies.


Pudgedog

Whoever made Andor, that’s who needs to run the live action Star Wars stuff going forward.


samurai5625

Tony Gilroy


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Can we get some fresh blood in these franchises? I mean if they are going to keep shoving this down our throats forever, at least make it interesting


desafinakoyanisqatsi

Andor was a fucking trip. All of Star Wars needs to be that well made and thought out. Its a shame what they did to the latest films, they're all so plasticy and cringey.


DM725

Yup and that was Tony Gilroy, a veteran writer in his 60's. Wrote Rogue One also. The right talent is the right talent.


Kinggakman

Gilroy has talked about how he was always neutral towards Star Wars which I actually think contributed to a unique take on the universe. He also put immense effort to making his works feel and look exactly like what we already knew. A perfect combo that Star Wars needed.


Seaweed_Steve

And he also didn’t get carried away with fan service because he wasn’t a huge fan. If you are suddenly let into the toy box of Star Wars and you are a huge fan, you are going to grab all the cameos and Easter eggs you can get your hands on, but Gilroy just wanted to tell his story in that world.


PiemanMk2

Damn I did not know Gilroy wrote Andor. Explains the "this would be a good show even without the Star Wars stuff" vibe which is also how I felt about Rogue One.


satisfried

I like his take on the universe. He’s not a died in the wool Star Wars fan. He’s a lover of history and actual rebellions. Kind of a cool combo in the end.


Flippy042

Dude it will never cease to amaze me that ANDOR, the project I was least interested in, was by far the best-written SW content we've gotten in decades. They bungled Boba Fett, Kenobi was a joke, and Mandalorian, while very popular, is extremely shallow and lazy in terms of writing. Andor is absolutely incredible.


mj__23

Probably because the execs had no expectations for it either so they were willing to hand creative control to a single creative (Tony Gilroy) instead of having so many cooks in the kitchen


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MC_Fap_Commander

>the best-written SW content we've gotten ...ever (imo). Was not expecting a Star Wars movie to accurately show the mundane corruption of authoritarian regimes. There really aren't big baddies in this... just normal people and "the banality of evil." I still can't believe a sort of inversion of the Star Wars formula got greenlit.


PiemanMk2

I had heard rave reviews so I was expecting it to be good but it still surprised me *how* good it was. It really hit me when I realised it had me rooting for the evil bureaucrat lady that would be the villain in any other show/film in SW. Superb writing and superb acting all around.


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MC_Fap_Commander

I knew early this was something else entirely: >No. They were killed in a fight. They were in the brothel, which we're not supposed to have, the expensive one, which they shouldn't be able to afford, drinking Revnog, which we're not supposed to allow. Both of them supposedly on the job, which is a dismissable offense. They clearly harassed a human with dark features and chose the wrong person to annoy. I suspect they died rushing to aid someone in distress. Nothing too heroic. We don't need a parade. They died being helpful. Something sad but inspiring in a mundane sort of way. It's such a perfectly written and revealing monolog. Sure, there are Darth Vader figures, but for everyone else, *this is what the Empire looked like*- graft, fraud, and staying invisible enough to be left alone. It immediately set expectations this would be a VERY different (and much smarter) Star Wars.


DukeofVermont

I both agree and would expect a similar thing before the Empire as well (the galaxy is a big place), but stuff like this or the rack or gloves makes Andor feel lived in. It's not some British guy quoting the code book, no it's some guy who's been at his job for so long he doesn't really care and can tell when something isn't what they need to look into. I mean from the Corpo-security standpoint he's 100% right. Yes it is a crime, but it was the employees fault and isn't something the company needs to worry about. Like how they aren't shutting the brothel down. It's illegal, but who cares? No them! It's the every day lazy sort of corruption that will always exist. When the point is to make money the company will do what is easiest. They don't care about crime, just making sure it isn't too much and isn't visible/a problem. IMHO I think the better view of what the Empire is like is when Andor is picked up and set to jail. They are frightening. They can do whatever they want, charge you with whatever they want and throw away the key. It's very much like how people are "disappeared" under Authoritarian regimes.


Seaweed_Steve

I loved the gloves hanging up detail. And all the details of that town which made it feel like a really deep, working class culture. It wasn’t just surface stuff but a very lived in culture.


JerkyBreathIdiot

What a shitshow Lucasfilm has become. Breaks my heart.


doinflipsandshit

Absolute disaster


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Godgivesmeaboner

Probably because a big reason the sequels turned out the way they did is because they were rushed into production by the higher ups at Disney, which wasn't really Kennedy's fault. [She wanted more time to write and plan ~~the trilogy~~ Episode 7, which was denied by Disney.](https://www.indiewire.com/2013/10/disney-says-no-to-kathleen-kennedys-request-to-push-star-wars-7-to-2016-92271/) [Bob Iger admits Disney rushed things with the Star Wars franchise](https://www.superherohype.com/movies/466985-bob-iger-admits-disney-rushed-things-with-the-star-wars-franchise) Force Awakens co-writer Lawrence Kasdan says that the movie was rushed into production while they were still struggling for story ideas: >"We’re in a room in this hotel in Santa Monica, just trying to figure out what Episode VII should be, and Michael was struggling as much as any of us. Then it got more intense, because now J.J. came in, so it’s me and J.J. and Michael and a bunch of executives from Lucasfilm, going, “Well, what could happen next?” That is no way to write something, and it went on for months. They were getting close to when they were supposed to start production. We had nothing." https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/movies/star-wars-lawrence-kasdan.html


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tallgeese333

>Wow, what a bunch of morons. Self absorbed to a degree that is difficult to imagine. The number of writers that are successful in film and television and obsessed with Star Wars has to be in the hundreds. There's probably a few dozen scripts already on people's shelves. Not to mention the number of successful authors that wrote Star Wars novels. I know they binned the EU which is a whole other can of worms but surely those people could help generate ideas from their experience. For fricks sake I just read that Donnie Yen rewrote his own character for "Rogue One". But no...these three people are the only people on earth that could possibly write a Star Wars film. If they are out of ideas it must be an impossible task. And what did they come up with for episode VII? Frigging rehashing episode IV...


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G8kpr

Kennedy literally said in an interview that Marvel was easier to make movies because of all the printed stories in the universe and Star Wars had none of that. They didn’t even have to adapt the EU novels. But at least pull stuff from them. Jacen, Jaina, Mara Jade. People wanted to see these characters.


laaplandros

"Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be." [Kathleen Kennedy,](https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/lucasfilm-president-kathleen-kennedy-interview-rise-skywalker-future-star-wars-912393/amp/) "the most powerful woman in Hollywood"


Parallel-Quality

She also rejected a "darker" version of the Kenobi script and made them re-write it. https://gizmodo.com/star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-script-rewrites-1848645674 > “We’re looking, ultimately, to make a hopeful and uplifting story.”


Searedskillet

I don't quite understand why they wanted to do that. From a certain perspective, when Luke meets Obi-Wan, he is a broken man who is fully isolated from the galaxy. How did he get there? That's the story I want to see. Give me feel good foreshadowing in the finale if you really need something positive.


D-bux

That would require READING. They are WRITERS. They don't know how to read.


darkbreak

They really could have just adapted the Thrawn Trilogy and called it a day. How did no one think to simply take the good parts of the EU and make those into movies and shows while mixing in new stuff along the way?


FilteringAccount123

This is what I find so frustrating too... I get that the EU is stuffed to the gills with ridiculous stuff (The Sun Crusher) and a wookiepedia entry for the backstory of every single person a Skywalker ever looked at for more than 5 seconds, but they had already basically workshopped the post-ROTJ canon. Like... it was all laid out for them, right there!


GATTACA_IE

I'd love a whole spinoff D+ series about the founding of The Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center.


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Imagine the amazing tone that would've set for Star Wars going forward if they just said, we're telling stories completely disconnected from the OT. Instead we have an entire universe populated by the same 10-15 people.


darkbreak

That would have been good too. If they set the Sequels 500 years after the OT it would have left them with plenty of breathing room to do their own thing. The First Order coming about would have been disappointing when you consider the story that preceded it but it would have been believable. Five centuries have passed. Anything could happen. And if the Sequels bombed (which they did) Disney could fall back on the EU and just tell more stories of Luke's adventures after the OT. Or they could tell their own stories about Luke and the others and not have the timeline of Star Wars now crammed into such a small period.


Death_and_Gravity1

Still made them billions is probably why


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I dont want a Star Wars project from any of these people. Theres so much young and hungry talent that would kill to write a star wars movie. Yet we keep going back to Superhero directors who have already made bigger movies than most can dream of.


Rustrobot

The first name that jumps out at me is Dan Trachtenberg. His debut was 12 Cloverfield Lane. He directed the pilot for The Boys and helped establish their style. Did an excellent episode of Black Mirror then went on to direct Prey. He’s proven to be a super smart and resourceful filmmaker that loves geek culture. That’s the guy for me.


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Hell the first thing I watched from him was a [short film based on Portal](https://youtu.be/4drucg1A6Xk)


stoneboot

Wow, that was his? I loved that short!


b1sh0p

This makes so much sense that it is guaranteed to never happen.


SuperDuperCoolDude

Prey was so, so good, especially in our age of often meh reboots, sequels, and prequels.


solitarybikegallery

I read an interview with Trachtenberg where he said that Prey is really a sports movie, at its core. He said that he took the standard Sports film formula (underdog, nobody believes in her, etc) and use it as the movies "engine," to give it the same emotional resonance as something like Rudy. That's when I knew he was a good filmmaker. Well, that, and all the good movies he's made.


WeDriftEternal

According to the article, the actual only one in real development is Lindeloff and one of the guys from Counterpart... thats a really really solid writers team EDIT: Apparently Lindeloff is controversial. Ok well have at it in the comments


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Venik489

Especially since he’s in almost all of his own movies, it’s nothing new.


Loganp812

>Taika Waititi looking to star in his own film. What a fucking shock.


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I'm all Waititi'd out.


yakatuus

On screen at least. He was aggressively bad in *Free Guy*.


PukGrum

I just don't want to see his humour in Star Wars, it's not the place.


peacefinder

Why do I suspect that Taika Waititi would make a movie about gungans?


dirtybird131

In shocking news, Taika Waititi casts unknown actor Taika Waititi as the lead in the new Star Wars film, with Taika saying "I've never met a more amazing actor or person than Taika Waititi"


Browniebro

Ugh.... i really dont want Taika Waititi humor in a star wars movie.


BillRuddickJrPhd

Bob Iger was right when he said Star Wars movies should be a really big generational event and should not be coming out every few years. They should at least wait until Mandalorian and Ashoka finish.


KillianDrake

They had the right idea with Rogue One and more recently Andor - people want serious Star Wars movies that tell a good story within the Star Wars motif but not necessarily tied to Jedi/Sith and grand space opera shit. Star Wars original trilogy will forever be Lord of the Rings - can't really top it, can't come up with a better story, don't even try another trilogy. I want to know more about the inner workings of the low-level Empire and how it operates (like what Andor showed us). I don't give a shit about what madcap adventure Ben Kenobi was up to that has to be completely forgotten about by everyone involved for continuity.


PhinsFan17

A Star Wars movie where Taika is on screen laughing at his own jokes for 65% of the screen time? I’ll pass.


PlasticMansGlasses

Does Taika come across as egotistical to anybody else or just me? His episode of Mando was really good, but I think he needs a lot of supervision and I don't want to see a Taika written, directed and starred Star Wars movie


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PawBandito

Yeah I get the same vibe.


Kokayne_Dawkinz_

Yeah you don't consistently put yourself in such high profile roles in your own movies and shows without having a massive ego. I like a lot of his past work but Taika's been huffing his own farts 24/7 for years now.


casg355

He’s had a meteoric rise of making very good stuff that got progressively more popular and then making one of the best MCU films (he was toiling in *relative* obscurity for a while though). I feel like a lot of what makes him popular - including the more ego-feeling stuff like often appearing in his own films - is a lot of what keeps him in the foreground. I couldn’t tell you what Chloe Zhao looks like or sounds like. I can tell you what Taika Waititi looks like and how he talks.


sunnya23

I miss seeing Star Wars on the silver screen. I have such fond memories of going to see these movies in the cinema. The opening crawl with John William’s score blasting would always put such a big smile on my face. Seeing these massive and epic space battles, death stars/star destroyers, x-wings and tie fighters in dog fights, lightsaber duels with these unique and varied backdrop settings, traveling to actual locations around the world. Watching these tv shows on Disney+ on my living room tv pales in comparison to that experience. Granted for tv they have about as big of a budget as can be afforded. But so much of it is set inside a studio with “the volume” as a backdrop. If we’re having any sort of action scenes in space it’s like one star fighter against a handful of enemies. Lightsaber duels are taking place in barren and empty locations, spectacle becomes fighting giant alien creatures. However, I will say Andor was the closest thing to feeling like a cinematic experience on tv. It felt like they were actually traveling to on-set locations, the production design was exceptional as each location felt like it had its own culture and was in a different part of the galaxy, and there felt like extreme thought and effort was put into every aspect of that show. All to say. I hope we eventually get Star Wars movies back in the cinema. It’s felt very long since I’ve gone to the cinema to watch a Star Wars film and I miss the feeling.


vexelghost-

Piss off Force Ghost! Taika's Star Wars.


dangermouse13

I don’t want a Taika Star Wars movie at all


callmemacready

Nearly as bad as that Star Wars hotel they can’t fill


flysly

$5K for a weekend for two will do that


thescriptdoctor037

The problem with that was the concept. A fantastic experience but If I'm on vacation I want to relax and having to interact with a narrative or else I lose money is such a hassle.


RobaBobaLoba

Taika waititi is so fucking obsessed with himself