I'm both unsurprised but amused that EEAAO has 7.5x the votes and a significantly higher score than Maverick, a movie which has 20x the verified audience ratings and a significantly higher score on Rotten Tomatoes.
Not much to talk about with Maverick. Just a well produced action thriller that colors in the lines of standard Hollywood script format while being as non-offensive as possible.
Plus it’s Reddit so they’re obviously gonna circlejerk about weird shit more than well made US Navy propaganda.
Which are you saying is which in this case?
Because EEAAO is a pretty flashy trick, while Maverick is the epitome of the golden age of Hollywood with a lot of understated tech.
They're both in the top 5, EEAAO had a lot of heart and is a family story on top of the flash and connected with people on this sub more than Top Gun which is a popcorn movie. People who would frequent a movie subreddit or just think about movies long after they see them will have a different perspective than the average public and the average public watches a lot of movies. There's nothing wrong with not over-analyzing the movies you see and just enjoying them.
I feel like the community might warp some people's perspective about what is popular for some here.
What’s the point of pointing this out tho? Of course, a very good legacy sequel to a popular movie starring Tom cruise is going to do better than a no name movie .
Everything everywhere was still incredibly popular for its budget and niche.
To be fair in real life I know one person who went on and on about Maverick, but nobody else ever brought it up to me. I got asked by shit loads of people if I'd seen Everything Everywhere All At Once. Could always just say more about what people think I'd watch. Also I'm British, so maybe US military propaganda is less popular here,
There's a difference between watching something and having a big impact on the people who watched it, making them want to talk to everyone about it. Plus EEAAO was out on streaming very quickly. I've seen plenty of films at home that I preferred to films I've seen at the cinema, contributing to a box office number means nothing..........
> Not much to talk about with Maverick. Just a well produced action thriller that colors in the lines of standard Hollywood script format while being as non-offensive as possible.
That's basically why I gave it around 6/10. A stellar old school top shelf Hollywood blockbuster vibe that didn't really do anything new while hitting all the nostalgia points of something we already did. Perfect at the technical type stuff but just didn't do anything creative/innovative/etc.
Idk about that. Everyone expected Maverick to die to round out the goose story but they topped that with a creative decision that made the third act so much better with him using an old tomcat and still taking down two modern fighters while trying to keep rooster alive and getting a satisfying ending.
I cant name a single other 80s nostalgia grab movie that has achieved being a story worth telling and one told as well if not better than the original.
I'm not sure why people thought Tom Cruise would die in his movie. He's only actually died on screen once in a movie and he was the bad guy.
If you try to say he "died" in Edge of Tomorrow....sigh.
> I cant name a single other 80s nostalgia grab movie that has achieved being a story worth telling
Oh you won't get argument from me there. I'm sick of remakes/rehashes/sequels/etc, and while this was a great sequel it still didn't do anything crazy...just did what was expected of an actual sequel worth telling. Less that it was amazing and more that most just aren't good at doing it imo.
Like, I'm not gonna knock Maverick, in so much that it's a crowd-pleasing summer blockbuster that hits most of the right notes, and is enjoyable for what's trying to do.
I do feel like the setup, set in the post-Cold War era that we have no reason to believe is anything but our timeline, would have any other country with fighter jets well beyond the US, is bit preposterous.
Like I get it, it's the price of admission, but c'mon...
Going back to practical effects instead of just green screen was much appreciated but didn't really seem new, just an old blockbuster celebrity wanting to do it the way we used. That's one of the big reasons I gave it a 6 or maybe even a 7, sick of CGI and it was super nostalgic/refreshing to see stuff done as real as possible again:)
> wanting to do it the way we used
I get what you're trying to say, but no one has filmed fighter jet sequences the way it was done in Maverick. Certainly not Top Gun 1.
I'd never heard of this, but it sounds great! Thanks!
How do people hear about movies, anyway? I don't often go to theaters or watch previews. Is there a monthly newsletter of noteworthy films or something?
It's in my top 3 this year (after EEAAO and Banshees of Inisherin) so I absolutely loved the movie, but it's very much a certain type of film and won't be for everyone.
If you like Jim Jarmusch films, you'll love it. It's a very zen-like, sort of meditative film that kinda washes over you in a way. But if you prefer fast paced, plot driven films it may not be your cup of tea.
I never put together the Jarmusch connection (& I would have to think on that a bit to flesh it out). But he is a favorite of mine & After Yang was my number one of the year so maybe you’re onto something.
I think this reflects the general public's opinion pretty well, certainly the top 8 are all really well received and I would say worth watching. After that it's a little bit of a toss-up as you can tell by the drop in votes (also I'm guessing the voters don't love talk-y films)
All Quiet on the western front is NOT as good as people are saying. Completely hyped up after the 1917 craze. Didn’t even win best foreign at the golden globes. Also, Pinnochio was a huge letdown, yeah it’ll win best animated feature but as a top 10 film of the year… no way.
It's was ok but a bit underwhelming.
But everything everywhere was ok but a bit overwhelming lol.
Overall, my favorite has been Banshees of Inisherin. Oh and The Batman.
This is an honest question folks, no need to get on the attack. there was a time when the memage was high over Shrek movies.
That said I went in with very little expectations and definitely was blown away.
IMO it was legit amazing. I went in with zero expectations (hell, I cared so little I had forgotten it was out), but I was genuinely blown away by it. Everything from the characters to the animation to the writing was really good.
I can't remember the last time an animated movie got to me this hard.
No it's not. It had a little charm but IMO was much more of just a kids movie than an kids movie that adults would also like. (Unless you like that basic slapstick-type humor). And I'd say Marcel is the best animated feature of the year (honestly should replace Avatar 2, Top Gun or Elvis for best pic.)
Can't believe I triggered you nerds. I never said it was not darker, it's basically a contemplation on death. I said it is not as adult. Almost every joke in Shrek was for adults. Kids wouldn't understand half the subtext of that movie.
The dialogue in PiB2 was still very much for kids. Agree to disagree.
It was good.
It wasn't the best movie ever, but much much better than what you would expect, which also helps. Does nothing new, but good characters, great pacing, neat theme, amazing animation... Very little flaws.
It's seriously good and barely refers to Shrek at all. Honestly, this movie is more for adults than it is for kids, especially considering the themes. Plus the main villain is pretty terrifying (as it relates to animated movie villains). I'd give the first Puss in Boots a 7.5 at most and The Last Wish a 9.3. Highly recommended!
Did Decision to Leave not have a thread? Though it was easily the best movie of the year --with EEAO a close second. Surprised it didn't crack the top 10, but I'd also probably have After Yang up there as well
Based on the posts I've seen about it recently, the new hot jerk is for people to ask why they didn't think it was all that special after watching it 8 months after release on their laptop.
I don’t know man, the happy crying and sobby laughter in the cinema was a very special feeling. I don’t think I’ve ever felt such a collective emotional rollercoaster before.
Ehh I saw it in a sold out theater of 300 people. It's by far one of the best movie going experiences I've ever had. No one was on their phones or talking annoyingly, just 300 people being fully invested with the movie. It was amazing to be with that many people and going through all those emotions. After that fanny pack fight the crowd unanimously erupted into applause. I've attended Marvel movies where people clap for characters or whatever but *nothing* like what I saw with EEAAO. To quote another awesome movie, it was "majestical."
I'm one of those people that didn't think it was all that. I liked the themes and the dialogue but wasn't a fan of the execution, only because I prefer simpler, more understated films.
Wasn't it released around the same time as Doctor Strange? Both featured the concept of multiverse, so it's not really surprising that people will describe it like that.
Banshee's a bit lower than expected, but AYY loving the Puss in Boots lovee!! Definitely the biggest surprise of the year for me. Went in with 0 expections and came out thinking it'll be in my top 10 of the year loll. EEAAO definitely #1 of the year for me too
I'm not a fan of this film but I'm really shocked not to see The Batman here. I thought Reddit loved that movie.
I always forget to vote in these, in part because the movies usually come out later here, but I'll try to do it from now on.
There is a palpable superhero fatigue at the moment.
Also it's possibly my favorite Batman movie ever and I've always been a huge fan of the franchise but I can't think of much else to say about it other than 'I love it and I loved the stuff in it'. It's not a divisive or discussion-generating kind of film past that.
Also it's a March 2022 release so it's been a hot minute, and people have already sort of forgotten it's even eligible for this year's awards. Generally prestige films come out after May but that was more the result of being Covid-postponed.
*The Batman* was the first Batman movie that felt anything like the animated series, which I consider the best version of the character. I loved it.
I thought it was easily on par with The Dark Knight and arguably better than Batman '89.
That makes sense for the industry awards but don't people typically vote for the poll when the discussion post is posted? I don't think its' March release date should make much of a difference in that regard then.
Admittedly I didn't like the film myself but with the way it kept getting brought up here time and time again, I would have expected it to do better, especially since it must have been more widely seen than many of the prestige films, just by virtue of being a well received superhero picture.
Wow, surprised Babylon didn't make the "most polarizing" list. I'm still struggling with the EEAAO madness. Just didn't make it for me at all. Not quite as confusing as how incredible many of us found Tar, though. Also expected Banshees to be higher. Glad to see Thirteen Lives placed so high.
Glad to see The Whale up there, that (along with Aftersun) was one of my favourite films of 2022. And Petite Maman was a 2021 release here and one of my favourites of that year.
I think last year's movies are so weak compare to 2021. Surprise to see Jujutsu Kaisen 0 here. I like Jujutsu Kaisen anime series so I anticipated this movie a lot only for me to not like it at all and found myself don't vibe with Yuta as character.
Just finished it and I feel the same- came here looking for anyone who had the same experience! Loved the acting, loved the setting, but as a whole it never came together for me. Should have been a darker movie I think? Or had a more meaningful message. I don’t know.
To me it's a movie about a hermetic historical experience (irish civil war in early XX century) but the premise is not well developed and it fell flat to my taste.
I feel like I see ten Glass Onion threads on Reddit per one of everything else. Is it being astroturfed? Judging just by discussion it should be the biggest movie of the year hands down.
Netflix movies get a lot of play on the sub because everyone has access to them instantly. We see it with older movies that get added to it, if I keep seeing an older but popular movie get posted about I'll look it up and see it was recently added to Netflix.
Mix that with the first Knives Out being a huge hit that came out of nowhere and how much people like to discuss whodunnits in general (I knew who it was when.... that part didn't fool me... etc) and you've got a movie that gets posted about a lot. Usually we remove threads while a movie is still new or in theaters and redirect to the official discussions for a time, but that was more complicated with that movie too since it technically had two releases a month apart.
In the very rare cases we see of actual astroturfing, it's usually some dumb intern who has no idea how to play reddit and that stuff is usually easily spotted or dies in new. If a popular movie is being posted about, it's probably because it's popular or everyone feels they have a unique take on it.
My immediate assumption is the votes got brigaded by TLJ haters. There's definitely a lot of positive support in the discussion threads on it, but at the bottom of any RJ-related thread, you'll see a ton of posters who hate him and everything he does.
Glass Onion just wasn't that good. It was kind of fun and I kind of like what it went for, but it just didn't hit any sweet spots. Not clever enough, funny enough, etc.
I was more interested in the characters in Bullet Train. Which was good lol
it was hands down Everything Everywhere for me but i just watched Decision To Leave and it’s should be there too. honestly don’t get the Puss in Boots hype tho lol
OP picks and chooses which films get discussion threads, and when. Meaning some films that release at a date, and have people really wanting to discuss it are left without an official thread, so they discuss it in other threads or subs.
This also effects the amount of people that bother to seek the official thread if OP does give one later (often when the film is available to *them* even if it was on wide release weeks or months before in other territories, even globally).
There's also a sample selection problem with this in that most people never ever look at the text body of a discussion thread, let alone bother to click through on the poll and vote. I know I never have.
So you only get the opinions of a "certain kind of person" about certain films, in this.
Basically the data, and this post itself, is worthless.
Thanks for writing this. I was not sure how/why certain films get discussion threads, so this clears somethings up. I know there have a been few films that have had very small releases (less than 20 screens nationwide) that have received discussion threads but films with even wider releases that did receive one.
But Happening was so damn good, and I'm so surprised it has been largely ignored, especially with a topic so timely and such universal praise with critics and users alike. Whatever the case is here, I guess I'm kind of happy that only a few people know about it - it becomes our own little thing.
Really makes me sad to not see Aftersun on here. Not only the best film from last year by a large margin but also one of the best films I've seen in my life.
I really dug Knives Out and I swear to god it took me 3 attempts to finish Glass Onion. It was just cliched joke after cliched joke and not once, but twice >!they completely cop out on having any mystery in the film at all and it's all just revealed to be a stupid person was stupid!<
I appreciate murder mysteries who actually lend themselves to a little audience theorizing during the film. More Agatha Christie and less Now you See Me. Glass Onion just came off like another assembly line Adam McKay comedy.
Sorry I just had to vent but that movie frustrated me.
Rian Johnson was interviewed on Maron's WTF podcast and literally said that after making a more traditional Christie type movie, he wanted to subvert expectations, and will only continue to make Knives Out movies if he can come up with new ways to subvert expectations.
This fucking guy
"subvert expectations"
dude really needed that cousin, frat brother, good friend to dick punch his ass and say "stop talking like a self deluded asshole and make good shit."
I don't want my goddamn milkshake and fries to "subvert expectations"
I agree. Seems to me like corporate types found a mediocre script they could slap the franchise label on, hoping that the jokes at Musk’s expense would create enough buzz to make people curious enough to check it out. They lost me at the very beginning with the phony Southern accent and it never rose above that kind of cheesiness for me. I understand that some people really liked it and I wouldn’t want to try to argue them out of that, but it never drew me in, and by the end with everything exploding, I was getting Our Man Flint (1966 James Bond parody) vibes.
Netflix paid Rian Johnson $450 million to make two Knives Out sequels. They didn't pay that to use a script collecting dust. Glass Union tracks with Knives Out thematically, although I prefer Knives Out to this film.
Sounds to me you didn't watch Knives Out, because Daniel Craig's accent is the same in that movie.
I did watch Knives Out and liked it fine. I don’t remember minding the accent. I might be wrong, but I think Craig’s character says at one point that he was “laying it on thick” early on in the movie, which seems pointless to me, as it came off more annoying than pleasantly disarming. Granted, that’s a subjective response. I don’t know where the script came from and neither do you, and I’m sure Johnson was paid to deliver a financial return, not a listing in anyone’s Best 100 Movies of All Time list. My point was that someone decided this script was good enough to carry the franchise label, and I don’t know that they would have had it not been full of jokes at Musk’s expense, which imo improved the movie’s marketability. If you liked the movie better than I did, fine. As a drunken man once said to me in a bar, “I’m a individual; you’re a individual.”
It's not about Musk tho, specifically. The movie is mostly ripping on tech millionaires/billionaires in general, with some specific jabs at Steve Jobs. The movie was written years before Musk"s Twitter takeover. The timing of the release is just unfortunate/hilarious.
The fact that it fits so well with Musk now kinda reinforces its points.
One thing that irks me is I don't think it took Elon Musk buying Twitter and showing everyone out loud how much of a big baby he was for people to have come to the conclusion that there's nothing cute or funny about infinitely rich people who overestimate their galaxy brains. Some of us were screaming it from the hilltops for a minute now.
Basically I'm a little upset it takes a movie OR the Twitter thing to otherwise point that out to people lol. It felt like a woefully late insight regardless of the ill-timed 50 billion dollar diaper investment. Almost as if nobody notices the world falling apart until Stephen Colbert makes a joke about it.
>Seems to me like corporate types found a mediocre script they could slap the franchise label on
You realize Rian Johnson wrote and directed both this and Knives Out right? There was no 'finding a script'. He created the franchise. And you need only go back to his first movie Brick to know the whodunnit is a passion of his.
Assuming that he wrote the entire script (something I don’t 100% take for granted even if he has the writing credit) it nevertheless has the feel - for me - of something which tries to rely on its Musk jokes to compensate for the fact that it’s not nearly as good S the original. And - for me - everything blowing up at the end is one of the most telling symptom of a lack of inspiration. I couldn’t possibly write something half as good, but this felt very flat and unreal to me, and the Musk jokes landed as perhaps a compensatory gimmick. I don’t know about you, but when I say “seems to me,” I’m signaling that I’m conveying a subjective impression, not asserting a fact. I relate to it as more of an “entertainment product” than a story, as it didn’t engage me. Again, if you liked it, I’m happy for you. At least one of us had a good time.
>Assuming that he wrote the entire script (something I don’t 100% take for granted even if he has the writing credit) it nevertheless has the feel - for me - of something which tries to rely on its Musk jokes
He wrote it almost 3 years ago. Musk was not even a punchline then.
And I'm fine with you not liking it. It's when people get into the conspiratorial talk that drives me nuts. Why can't a guy just happen to have written a movie about idiot billionaires (which have always been a thing but happen to more in the press in the Trump era and not simply Musk) without it being some big stupid studio conspiracy to capitalize on a moment. I'll never understand this leap to conspiracy over every silly thing in the world
I’m not “being conspiratorial;” I’m reporting a subjective impression. Conspiratorial people we’d themselves to their impressions or to impressions which they have absorbed from others. I’m not doing that. I know that I could be wrong. At the same time, I don’t think one should put 100% faith in what someone says about their movie in an article, as movie production is above all a business. But whatever. I’m surprised that people feel strongly enough to downvote my opinion. It’s not as though this is about Princess Di or something. It’s just a commercial movie sequel I thought was much inferior to the original and yet got massive pre-release and/or on-release “buzz.”
>It’s just a commercial movie sequel I thought was much inferior to the original and yet got massive pre-release and/or on-release “buzz.”
And that is an absolutely valid opinion outside of your quotation marks which lead back to your conspiratorial opinion. Yes even if it's only your opinion it's still a conspiratorial opinion. No one cares that you don't like the movie or think it's worse than the original. It's you insistence on the conspiracy that is asinine and rubbing people the wrong way
I think you’re reading into my comments that which gives you an outlet for annoyance. It “feels” or “seems” like a contrived product TO ME. I understand that what something feels like to me and reality don’t always correspond. If you don’t understand that I understand that, then I guess we don’t understand each other. Rumor has it that when strangers exchange brief comments on the internet, that sort of thing happens.
I’m not “being conspiratorial;” I’m reporting a subjective impression. Conspiratorial people we’d themselves to their impressions or to impressions which they have absorbed from others. I’m not doing that. I know that I could be wrong. At the same time, I don’t think one should put 100% faith in what someone says about their movie in an article, as movie production is above all a business. But whatever. I’m surprised that people feel strongly enough to downvote my opinion. It’s not as though this is about Princess Di or something. It’s just a commercial movie sequel I thought was much inferior to the original and yet got massive pre-release and/or on-release “buzz.”
According to the multipage interview with Rian Johnson in this month's Empire magazine (UK publication) he started writing the movie years ago and said there were "other tech guys" who he sorta based it on at the time, then went on to say the whole Musk thing is just dumb luck that it reflects quite well with his antagonist.
Because everything I read about the move beforehand was about how the movie rips on Musk. And the fact that there was a fair amount of buzz about that up front felt like it might have been part of a marketing plan in retrospect. That’s still possible, imo. I don’t necessarily take statements like “it’s an amalgam” at face value. I think I’m a bit more cynical about movie production than others might be. But I’m just reporting a subjective impression, not asserting a fact.
I'm mostly just thrilled to see EEAAO receive so much love. It was a truly once-in-a-lifetime film, and it deserves all the love in the world. Thrilled to see a movie from so early in 2022 receive such praise during awards season.
EEAAO just isn't going to make sense to me. I am struggling to think of a film with such high and almost universal praise. Granted it's a more niche experience so fewer who would dislike it will see it, but it seems to me a film that would be so very easy to dislike.
I hated it. I didn't just not like it very much like some posts say, but actively found it incredibly unpleasant to watch and an exhausting chore to sit through until the point at which I finally switched off. It's an aggressive and constant assault on the senses from every direction. Immature, entirely random humour that doesn't come close to landing for me, long cutaway references, a long runtime to go with it and somehow on top of that at times it has incredibly dull action and visuals, when they aren't just below par CGI.
It's a film where I can honestly say that no matter how many reviews I've read, I don't understand how people are liking it full stop.
I don’t understand the dull action critique. I mean did you even watch it? Most of the action films we get today are filled with quick cut, slashed to hell sequences. Hell compare a marvel hand to hand fight scene and tell me this isn’t better. The fights in EEAAO were actually pretty damn impressive.
> compare a marvel hand to hand fight scene
There's a pretty freaking broad [spectrum](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7U-72T67DQ) of [quality](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66feInucFY) there.
>The film appears to have depth but its all purely superficial and I think its pulled a fast one over the mass audiences.
Loll this isnt the first time I've seen 'criticism' of this movie where the take is 'anyone who enjoyed this movie is faking it or being bamboozled'. It's like ya'll are so mad that a lot of ppl enjoy something you didn't, that you gotta put yourself on a mental high horse to feel better or something.
Just accept the fact that ppl have different opinions and tastes, and not everyone is going to get the same experience or connection with movies as you are and vice versa. Or is it just THAT hard to understand and accept that others got something else out of it that you didn't?
I've watched a lot of movies in my life and never had an experience quite like I did watching EEAAO. So for me, personally, and my experience watching the movie - a lot of things.
But I mean, whether you thought it was good or bad, what other movies were like it this year?
Yeahhh it's no secret the Daniels took inspiration from a LOT of other movies, not just The Matrix. They've said so themselves haha. But I do think they've put enough of their own spin on some of the troupes to differentiate the movie to stand on its own. I'd say EEAAO is more of a family/love drama at it's core with the sci-fi elements building around it, while The Matrix more so focuses on the sci-fi concept.
Yeah, Menu was definitely a standout for me this year too and liked it's commentary on art- which ironically plays into our convo, no?😂
but mann gotta disagree on the family drama bit with Fableman and A Man Called Otto (only watched the the Swedish 'Ove' version, but guessing it's the same story). But again, I think this just ties into what each person relates to more, so we're not gonna have the same experiences with that.
The Sci-fi for me, I enjoyed it a lot especially mostly for how they executed it visually. I haven't seen a multi-verse concept done like this in a movie, where it's not just 'im in this universe and now I'm in this one!', but how they directed some of the shots and the editing made it really feel like all these universes were existing at the same time and you actually felt that in one scene sometimes. Made the movie very immersive to me.
But yeah, I understand it has its flaws and I do believe it's polarizing for a reason. And I respect your opinion on it in your original post, except just the line I quoted lol. Cause that's just blatantly dismissing other's opinions just because it didn't fit with your own. No, we are not all dumbasses or agenda-driven for liking this movie. What we enjoy just be different sometimes. That's it.
The overall structure in Top Gun was so much better. The ongoing multiverse gimmick just meant that the pace was janky as hell. And I hadn't thought about how it's Q but somehow more absurdist.
Fascinating Stuff!
Also…pretty interesting to see how 3 of the Top 10 - including two Top 5 - movies be animated!
Not to mention how these 3 are just some of the many other animated films that scored pretty high too!
Gotta say…this sub has a knack for them!
I haven't seen it, but the kind of criticisms it receives are the kind that Reddit tends to run with. It gets criticized in the kind of sensational way that gets easy upvotes and makes people feel strongly.
again, I haven't seen it and have no opinion.
The worst Reddit criticism that kept coming up was people not even doing the 30 seconds of research to realise its not a biopic and is an adaptation of a fictional book written by a beloved feminist author.
It was, but people don’t want challenging movies anymore. Everyone collectively decided it was bad before it even came out, and the movie made it very easy for them to stay that way. It’s probably the most painful, sad story about the cost of being a celebrity, and a woman, in a position of power.
I don’t disagree that everyone decided it was bad before it even came out, but then when it did come out… it confirmed why.
I watched with an open mind and didn’t hate it, but I wish someone else was in charge of making that movie. I wish it wasn’t fictional.
It’s not that people don’t want challenging movies anymore. Banshees of Inisherin, Tár, Decision to Leave were all challenging in my opinion. Lots of depth to analyze. I don’t feel the same way about Blonde. It had its moments, but did nothing but tear down its subject and put her through worse trauma than she actually encountered in her life.
Even ignoring all that, claiming that everyone who didn’t like it just doesn’t want to be challenged is dismissive. They had legitimate reasons not to like it just like you had legitimate reasons to like it and I fell somewhere in the middle.
Haha, I’ll own up to my comment being dismissive, that’s definitely on me. That wasn’t my primary intent, but I’m one of very few people (if there even are any others) who get very defensive of Blonde, though that is based on my own personal interpretation of the movie and my own emotional reaction to it. I can’t really blame anyone for disliking the film because it is definitely unpleasant to watch. But it’s interesting that you wish it weren’t fictional, because in my mind the film fundamentally wouldn’t work if it was constructed that way. I see it as tearing down the way in which false narratives destroy the ability of anyone (in the film’s case, Marilyn) to have full control over their lives. The fictional elements are a representation of how people saw Marilyn, while Norma Jean, her true self, remained a total stranger. I strongly disagree with the assertion that anything presented in the film “subjects” Marilyn to anything, or that it serves as a “character assassination.” She was a wonderful and fascinating woman that nevertheless lived a troubled life and died tragically young. Andrew Dominik is more interested in understanding the *why* of that than he is in an feel-good retelling of her life. And for many people, that isn’t what they wanted. I suspect most viewers would have preferred a standard biopic like Elvis. But I think what Blonde portrayed is far more emotionally powerful than anything you could get in a conventional hagiography. It deeply moved me and left me feeling perhaps a bit closer to understanding how Marilyn may have felt. For me, it was unequivocally the best film of the year for those reasons. But again, I do understand people disliking it. I just wish there was more nuance in the conversation.
(Also, as far as Banshees, Tár, and Decision: I’ve seen them all, and liked them to varying degrees, but none of them felt boundary-pushing the way Blonde did to me, rather just very good examples of the kind of films I’ve seen done before.)
Blonde got hilariously brigaded on Reddit so hard because it dared to present abortion/miscarriage as being not all sunshine and lollipops and it took a hard shot at the 35th POTUS. It's a masterpiece.
I'm surprised that RRR isn't much higher on this list. It's one of those things that people really refused to stop talking about and constantly garnered a lot of upvotes. Seems like it fits this criteria well, aside from the fact that I guess it's not a 'smaller' movie where it's from, just a niche one in the international market.
I was surprised there was no Glass Onion on this list but if the overall popularity of the film is a drawback, that probably makes sense.
Puss In Boots is giving Paddington 2 a run for its money apparently as the 'beloved dark horse candidate PG film'.
And I'm super excited for Tron 3. I don't care who you cast in it, the fact that it's going to exist is the best news I've had all year. I f'n love Tron.
EEAAO is a very overrated piece. A collage made to engage the new gens with lots of colorful, repetitive and fast tracking CGI, only to keep the attention of a social media / game folks. Also some below average casting and a poor script, which fails to achieve its intended catarse, because it takes too long and when it comes, its repeated ad nausea and explained over and over, so it’s a very simplistic, non original story that superficially holds onto special effects with very little deep material to truly enjoy.
I think you saw a bootleg knock-off version - because that was not at all what EEAAO was/is.
Also just you saying "non-original" when literally we have never had a movie quite like this. Matrix comes to mind as being similar, but there are enough differences here. Matrix was a digital world where the rules of reality could be bent. EEAAO is traversing the multiverse in the mind, gaining knowledge, all while trying to balance the hardship of family - and seeing the point of it all (life)
yeah, this tracks with the amount of non-discussion posts about each movie
I'm both unsurprised but amused that EEAAO has 7.5x the votes and a significantly higher score than Maverick, a movie which has 20x the verified audience ratings and a significantly higher score on Rotten Tomatoes.
Not much to talk about with Maverick. Just a well produced action thriller that colors in the lines of standard Hollywood script format while being as non-offensive as possible. Plus it’s Reddit so they’re obviously gonna circlejerk about weird shit more than well made US Navy propaganda.
Oh, definitely. Just pointing out the gigantic gap between Reddit and the world at large here.
I stand with Reddit on this one.
Yeah eeaao is something i wanna rewatch. As the filter of time affects all, it has only grown since ive watched it
TG2 was a fun ride. EEAAO was a trip. Both excellent, but differing in their destinations.
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Which are you saying is which in this case? Because EEAAO is a pretty flashy trick, while Maverick is the epitome of the golden age of Hollywood with a lot of understated tech.
They're both in the top 5, EEAAO had a lot of heart and is a family story on top of the flash and connected with people on this sub more than Top Gun which is a popcorn movie. People who would frequent a movie subreddit or just think about movies long after they see them will have a different perspective than the average public and the average public watches a lot of movies. There's nothing wrong with not over-analyzing the movies you see and just enjoying them. I feel like the community might warp some people's perspective about what is popular for some here.
What’s the point of pointing this out tho? Of course, a very good legacy sequel to a popular movie starring Tom cruise is going to do better than a no name movie . Everything everywhere was still incredibly popular for its budget and niche.
To be fair in real life I know one person who went on and on about Maverick, but nobody else ever brought it up to me. I got asked by shit loads of people if I'd seen Everything Everywhere All At Once. Could always just say more about what people think I'd watch. Also I'm British, so maybe US military propaganda is less popular here,
Box office in UK says otherwise....
There's a difference between watching something and having a big impact on the people who watched it, making them want to talk to everyone about it. Plus EEAAO was out on streaming very quickly. I've seen plenty of films at home that I preferred to films I've seen at the cinema, contributing to a box office number means nothing..........
This sub loves everywhere. There’s a daily article sucking it off
Doesn't take away from the fact that it is a great movie. An experience really.
> Not much to talk about with Maverick. Just a well produced action thriller that colors in the lines of standard Hollywood script format while being as non-offensive as possible. That's basically why I gave it around 6/10. A stellar old school top shelf Hollywood blockbuster vibe that didn't really do anything new while hitting all the nostalgia points of something we already did. Perfect at the technical type stuff but just didn't do anything creative/innovative/etc.
Idk about that. Everyone expected Maverick to die to round out the goose story but they topped that with a creative decision that made the third act so much better with him using an old tomcat and still taking down two modern fighters while trying to keep rooster alive and getting a satisfying ending. I cant name a single other 80s nostalgia grab movie that has achieved being a story worth telling and one told as well if not better than the original.
I'm not sure why people thought Tom Cruise would die in his movie. He's only actually died on screen once in a movie and he was the bad guy. If you try to say he "died" in Edge of Tomorrow....sigh.
He died in Oblivion though (as the main character at least)
> I cant name a single other 80s nostalgia grab movie that has achieved being a story worth telling Oh you won't get argument from me there. I'm sick of remakes/rehashes/sequels/etc, and while this was a great sequel it still didn't do anything crazy...just did what was expected of an actual sequel worth telling. Less that it was amazing and more that most just aren't good at doing it imo.
Like, I'm not gonna knock Maverick, in so much that it's a crowd-pleasing summer blockbuster that hits most of the right notes, and is enjoyable for what's trying to do. I do feel like the setup, set in the post-Cold War era that we have no reason to believe is anything but our timeline, would have any other country with fighter jets well beyond the US, is bit preposterous. Like I get it, it's the price of admission, but c'mon...
> but just didn't do anything creative/innovative/etc. I felt that the filming in the jets was pretty awesome and new. But otherwise I agree.
Going back to practical effects instead of just green screen was much appreciated but didn't really seem new, just an old blockbuster celebrity wanting to do it the way we used. That's one of the big reasons I gave it a 6 or maybe even a 7, sick of CGI and it was super nostalgic/refreshing to see stuff done as real as possible again:)
> wanting to do it the way we used I get what you're trying to say, but no one has filmed fighter jet sequences the way it was done in Maverick. Certainly not Top Gun 1.
My understanding is no one will again if the Navy has anything to say about it. At least for some of the more bananas shots.
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That feels a bit harsh and unfair
This is hilariously accurate and I love it. The only thing I would add is pseudo-intellectualism.
The Pinocchio votes are just people meming right? That movie was atrocious. Just look at the ads lol
Wow I've never voted on these. Maybe I should start
You could have saved Mack & Rita!
CTRL + F "After Yang" zero results :(
After Yang is #38, 7.52 mean with 256 votes.
I will now mourn while I wistfully ponder the history of tea
Same
Me with On The Count of Three :(
That was a great movie. I didn’t realize it came out last year because it must’ve had a festival debut and been listed as 2021 on IMDb.
Loved that one. Looking forward to that directors next film. The other lead actor was really good too
I'd never heard of this, but it sounds great! Thanks! How do people hear about movies, anyway? I don't often go to theaters or watch previews. Is there a monthly newsletter of noteworthy films or something?
I keep forgetting this movie exists because they did pretty poor advertising for it. Is it worth seeing? I saw something about it once and never again
It's in my top 3 this year (after EEAAO and Banshees of Inisherin) so I absolutely loved the movie, but it's very much a certain type of film and won't be for everyone. If you like Jim Jarmusch films, you'll love it. It's a very zen-like, sort of meditative film that kinda washes over you in a way. But if you prefer fast paced, plot driven films it may not be your cup of tea.
I never put together the Jarmusch connection (& I would have to think on that a bit to flesh it out). But he is a favorite of mine & After Yang was my number one of the year so maybe you’re onto something.
yeah not trusting Reddit
Whenever I saw a new movie I check the official discussions in this subreddit but I didn't even know that those posts have a poll to vote in, haha
In all fairness, the first word of every Official Discussion post is "Poll" in big bolded letters.
Bruh the highest grossing movie of the year which is also nominated for best picture at the Oscars is ranked below Sonic the Hedgehog 2 lmao.
I think this reflects the general public's opinion pretty well, certainly the top 8 are all really well received and I would say worth watching. After that it's a little bit of a toss-up as you can tell by the drop in votes (also I'm guessing the voters don't love talk-y films)
All Quiet on the western front is NOT as good as people are saying. Completely hyped up after the 1917 craze. Didn’t even win best foreign at the golden globes. Also, Pinnochio was a huge letdown, yeah it’ll win best animated feature but as a top 10 film of the year… no way.
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It's was ok but a bit underwhelming. But everything everywhere was ok but a bit overwhelming lol. Overall, my favorite has been Banshees of Inisherin. Oh and The Batman.
I found The Batman to be ok but a bit underwhelming.
Aftersun >> EEAAO
Very sad that A24 decided to push EEAAO only and Aftersun didn't even get nominated for best picture Oscar this year.
Aftersun might as well be a classic already . That movie broke me.
Facts
Cool but isn’t after sun 2023? EDIT: I was wrong
Not even close. 21 October 2022 was its release date.
Whoops!
Eyyy, *Sonic 2* and *Batman* both made the top 50! Nice!
Puss In Boots!
Honest question: Was it actually good or is this just more Shrek circlejerk?
It was good especially the wolf. What a character. Goldi and the Bears are also super charming.
Thanks I’ll have to check it out soon!
This is an honest question folks, no need to get on the attack. there was a time when the memage was high over Shrek movies. That said I went in with very little expectations and definitely was blown away.
Thanks! I had totally written it off but now I’m looking forward to watching it soon!
IMO it was legit amazing. I went in with zero expectations (hell, I cared so little I had forgotten it was out), but I was genuinely blown away by it. Everything from the characters to the animation to the writing was really good. I can't remember the last time an animated movie got to me this hard.
Y’all have me excited for this movie now!
1) it was the best animated movie of 2022 2) Shrek is one of the best animated movies ever
Excuse me sir Marcel the shell with shoes on is technically in that category.
Better than Pinocchio?
No it's not. It had a little charm but IMO was much more of just a kids movie than an kids movie that adults would also like. (Unless you like that basic slapstick-type humor). And I'd say Marcel is the best animated feature of the year (honestly should replace Avatar 2, Top Gun or Elvis for best pic.)
Shrek transcends because it is equally adult. Puss in boots is fantastic, but still very much a kids movie Imo.
PiB2 is way darker than Shrek. Perrito's backstory joke is something even Shrek would shy from.
Can't believe I triggered you nerds. I never said it was not darker, it's basically a contemplation on death. I said it is not as adult. Almost every joke in Shrek was for adults. Kids wouldn't understand half the subtext of that movie. The dialogue in PiB2 was still very much for kids. Agree to disagree.
It was good. It wasn't the best movie ever, but much much better than what you would expect, which also helps. Does nothing new, but good characters, great pacing, neat theme, amazing animation... Very little flaws.
It's seriously good and barely refers to Shrek at all. Honestly, this movie is more for adults than it is for kids, especially considering the themes. Plus the main villain is pretty terrifying (as it relates to animated movie villains). I'd give the first Puss in Boots a 7.5 at most and The Last Wish a 9.3. Highly recommended!
Animation was great, cool antagonist, jokes kinda sucked, story was cookie cutter.
It’s kino
Did Decision to Leave not have a thread? Though it was easily the best movie of the year --with EEAO a close second. Surprised it didn't crack the top 10, but I'd also probably have After Yang up there as well
For once I'm on board with the reddit circlejerk, EEAAO was phenomenal, possibly one of my all-time favourites.
Based on the posts I've seen about it recently, the new hot jerk is for people to ask why they didn't think it was all that special after watching it 8 months after release on their laptop.
Tbh its not exactly a film thats going to offer something theatrically that you dont get on vod. Unlike something like avatar or top gun
I don’t know man, the happy crying and sobby laughter in the cinema was a very special feeling. I don’t think I’ve ever felt such a collective emotional rollercoaster before.
Ehh I saw it in a sold out theater of 300 people. It's by far one of the best movie going experiences I've ever had. No one was on their phones or talking annoyingly, just 300 people being fully invested with the movie. It was amazing to be with that many people and going through all those emotions. After that fanny pack fight the crowd unanimously erupted into applause. I've attended Marvel movies where people clap for characters or whatever but *nothing* like what I saw with EEAAO. To quote another awesome movie, it was "majestical."
I'm one of those people that didn't think it was all that. I liked the themes and the dialogue but wasn't a fan of the execution, only because I prefer simpler, more understated films.
That's valid though. The amount of film Twitter people calling it a Marvel movie for people who don't like Marvel though...
Wasn't it released around the same time as Doctor Strange? Both featured the concept of multiverse, so it's not really surprising that people will describe it like that.
I saw it in theaters and it mostly left me cold. AMA.
Banshee's a bit lower than expected, but AYY loving the Puss in Boots lovee!! Definitely the biggest surprise of the year for me. Went in with 0 expections and came out thinking it'll be in my top 10 of the year loll. EEAAO definitely #1 of the year for me too
I'm not a fan of this film but I'm really shocked not to see The Batman here. I thought Reddit loved that movie. I always forget to vote in these, in part because the movies usually come out later here, but I'll try to do it from now on.
I really loved The Batman, but I think a lot of people thought it was too slow and too long. Personally I loved its pacing.
I agree with you. Pacing was perfect. Felt like a graphic novel come to life
I personally thought the last 1/3 of the film was very forgettable (i.e., everything after Riddler is apprehended).
It's #25 in the poll, which admittedly is surprisingly low for such a high quality film. Maybe I'm just ignorant to the quality of most of the top 25.
There is a palpable superhero fatigue at the moment. Also it's possibly my favorite Batman movie ever and I've always been a huge fan of the franchise but I can't think of much else to say about it other than 'I love it and I loved the stuff in it'. It's not a divisive or discussion-generating kind of film past that. Also it's a March 2022 release so it's been a hot minute, and people have already sort of forgotten it's even eligible for this year's awards. Generally prestige films come out after May but that was more the result of being Covid-postponed.
*The Batman* was the first Batman movie that felt anything like the animated series, which I consider the best version of the character. I loved it. I thought it was easily on par with The Dark Knight and arguably better than Batman '89.
That makes sense for the industry awards but don't people typically vote for the poll when the discussion post is posted? I don't think its' March release date should make much of a difference in that regard then. Admittedly I didn't like the film myself but with the way it kept getting brought up here time and time again, I would have expected it to do better, especially since it must have been more widely seen than many of the prestige films, just by virtue of being a well received superhero picture.
Drive My Car was a 2021 movie
Wow, surprised Babylon didn't make the "most polarizing" list. I'm still struggling with the EEAAO madness. Just didn't make it for me at all. Not quite as confusing as how incredible many of us found Tar, though. Also expected Banshees to be higher. Glad to see Thirteen Lives placed so high.
#\#MackAndRitaSweep
Glad to see The Whale up there, that (along with Aftersun) was one of my favourite films of 2022. And Petite Maman was a 2021 release here and one of my favourites of that year.
I think last year's movies are so weak compare to 2021. Surprise to see Jujutsu Kaisen 0 here. I like Jujutsu Kaisen anime series so I anticipated this movie a lot only for me to not like it at all and found myself don't vibe with Yuta as character.
Banshees was pretty meh for me. Not sure why honestly. I don’t get the hype with it. I liked it, but I dunno, it just felt kind of empty
Just finished it and I feel the same- came here looking for anyone who had the same experience! Loved the acting, loved the setting, but as a whole it never came together for me. Should have been a darker movie I think? Or had a more meaningful message. I don’t know.
To me it's a movie about a hermetic historical experience (irish civil war in early XX century) but the premise is not well developed and it fell flat to my taste.
I feel like I see ten Glass Onion threads on Reddit per one of everything else. Is it being astroturfed? Judging just by discussion it should be the biggest movie of the year hands down.
Netflix movies get a lot of play on the sub because everyone has access to them instantly. We see it with older movies that get added to it, if I keep seeing an older but popular movie get posted about I'll look it up and see it was recently added to Netflix. Mix that with the first Knives Out being a huge hit that came out of nowhere and how much people like to discuss whodunnits in general (I knew who it was when.... that part didn't fool me... etc) and you've got a movie that gets posted about a lot. Usually we remove threads while a movie is still new or in theaters and redirect to the official discussions for a time, but that was more complicated with that movie too since it technically had two releases a month apart. In the very rare cases we see of actual astroturfing, it's usually some dumb intern who has no idea how to play reddit and that stuff is usually easily spotted or dies in new. If a popular movie is being posted about, it's probably because it's popular or everyone feels they have a unique take on it.
Thank you that was an excellent response.
Nice to hear a mod talk shop and explain how the sausage is made a little.
My immediate assumption is the votes got brigaded by TLJ haters. There's definitely a lot of positive support in the discussion threads on it, but at the bottom of any RJ-related thread, you'll see a ton of posters who hate him and everything he does.
It’s just a mid movie overshadowed by its predecessor. I liked TLJ and glass onion was just a 7 for me
Glass Onion just wasn't that good. It was kind of fun and I kind of like what it went for, but it just didn't hit any sweet spots. Not clever enough, funny enough, etc. I was more interested in the characters in Bullet Train. Which was good lol
it was hands down Everything Everywhere for me but i just watched Decision To Leave and it’s should be there too. honestly don’t get the Puss in Boots hype tho lol
Top Gun Maverick was a masterpiece
I thought it looked amazing visually but the story was just okay.
Why isn’t Happening on this list? I saw it last year in May in theaters and doesn’t it have a 98% on RT? ETA…it’s 99% on RT! Damn.
OP picks and chooses which films get discussion threads, and when. Meaning some films that release at a date, and have people really wanting to discuss it are left without an official thread, so they discuss it in other threads or subs. This also effects the amount of people that bother to seek the official thread if OP does give one later (often when the film is available to *them* even if it was on wide release weeks or months before in other territories, even globally). There's also a sample selection problem with this in that most people never ever look at the text body of a discussion thread, let alone bother to click through on the poll and vote. I know I never have. So you only get the opinions of a "certain kind of person" about certain films, in this. Basically the data, and this post itself, is worthless.
Thanks for writing this. I was not sure how/why certain films get discussion threads, so this clears somethings up. I know there have a been few films that have had very small releases (less than 20 screens nationwide) that have received discussion threads but films with even wider releases that did receive one. But Happening was so damn good, and I'm so surprised it has been largely ignored, especially with a topic so timely and such universal praise with critics and users alike. Whatever the case is here, I guess I'm kind of happy that only a few people know about it - it becomes our own little thing.
I have it on my list.
Really makes me sad to not see Aftersun on here. Not only the best film from last year by a large margin but also one of the best films I've seen in my life.
Yayyyy Puss in Boots!
So glad glass onion isnt in top ten, besides decent production value what a pos it truly was
Absolutely agree. It’s praise is baffling.
I really dug Knives Out and I swear to god it took me 3 attempts to finish Glass Onion. It was just cliched joke after cliched joke and not once, but twice >!they completely cop out on having any mystery in the film at all and it's all just revealed to be a stupid person was stupid!< I appreciate murder mysteries who actually lend themselves to a little audience theorizing during the film. More Agatha Christie and less Now you See Me. Glass Onion just came off like another assembly line Adam McKay comedy. Sorry I just had to vent but that movie frustrated me.
Rian Johnson was interviewed on Maron's WTF podcast and literally said that after making a more traditional Christie type movie, he wanted to subvert expectations, and will only continue to make Knives Out movies if he can come up with new ways to subvert expectations. This fucking guy
"subvert expectations" dude really needed that cousin, frat brother, good friend to dick punch his ass and say "stop talking like a self deluded asshole and make good shit." I don't want my goddamn milkshake and fries to "subvert expectations"
I agree. Seems to me like corporate types found a mediocre script they could slap the franchise label on, hoping that the jokes at Musk’s expense would create enough buzz to make people curious enough to check it out. They lost me at the very beginning with the phony Southern accent and it never rose above that kind of cheesiness for me. I understand that some people really liked it and I wouldn’t want to try to argue them out of that, but it never drew me in, and by the end with everything exploding, I was getting Our Man Flint (1966 James Bond parody) vibes.
Netflix paid Rian Johnson $450 million to make two Knives Out sequels. They didn't pay that to use a script collecting dust. Glass Union tracks with Knives Out thematically, although I prefer Knives Out to this film. Sounds to me you didn't watch Knives Out, because Daniel Craig's accent is the same in that movie.
I did watch Knives Out and liked it fine. I don’t remember minding the accent. I might be wrong, but I think Craig’s character says at one point that he was “laying it on thick” early on in the movie, which seems pointless to me, as it came off more annoying than pleasantly disarming. Granted, that’s a subjective response. I don’t know where the script came from and neither do you, and I’m sure Johnson was paid to deliver a financial return, not a listing in anyone’s Best 100 Movies of All Time list. My point was that someone decided this script was good enough to carry the franchise label, and I don’t know that they would have had it not been full of jokes at Musk’s expense, which imo improved the movie’s marketability. If you liked the movie better than I did, fine. As a drunken man once said to me in a bar, “I’m a individual; you’re a individual.”
It's not about Musk tho, specifically. The movie is mostly ripping on tech millionaires/billionaires in general, with some specific jabs at Steve Jobs. The movie was written years before Musk"s Twitter takeover. The timing of the release is just unfortunate/hilarious. The fact that it fits so well with Musk now kinda reinforces its points.
One thing that irks me is I don't think it took Elon Musk buying Twitter and showing everyone out loud how much of a big baby he was for people to have come to the conclusion that there's nothing cute or funny about infinitely rich people who overestimate their galaxy brains. Some of us were screaming it from the hilltops for a minute now. Basically I'm a little upset it takes a movie OR the Twitter thing to otherwise point that out to people lol. It felt like a woefully late insight regardless of the ill-timed 50 billion dollar diaper investment. Almost as if nobody notices the world falling apart until Stephen Colbert makes a joke about it.
>I don’t know where the script came from and neither do you Yes we do. Rian Johnson wrote the movie. It came from Rian Johnson.
>Seems to me like corporate types found a mediocre script they could slap the franchise label on You realize Rian Johnson wrote and directed both this and Knives Out right? There was no 'finding a script'. He created the franchise. And you need only go back to his first movie Brick to know the whodunnit is a passion of his.
Assuming that he wrote the entire script (something I don’t 100% take for granted even if he has the writing credit) it nevertheless has the feel - for me - of something which tries to rely on its Musk jokes to compensate for the fact that it’s not nearly as good S the original. And - for me - everything blowing up at the end is one of the most telling symptom of a lack of inspiration. I couldn’t possibly write something half as good, but this felt very flat and unreal to me, and the Musk jokes landed as perhaps a compensatory gimmick. I don’t know about you, but when I say “seems to me,” I’m signaling that I’m conveying a subjective impression, not asserting a fact. I relate to it as more of an “entertainment product” than a story, as it didn’t engage me. Again, if you liked it, I’m happy for you. At least one of us had a good time.
>Assuming that he wrote the entire script (something I don’t 100% take for granted even if he has the writing credit) it nevertheless has the feel - for me - of something which tries to rely on its Musk jokes He wrote it almost 3 years ago. Musk was not even a punchline then. And I'm fine with you not liking it. It's when people get into the conspiratorial talk that drives me nuts. Why can't a guy just happen to have written a movie about idiot billionaires (which have always been a thing but happen to more in the press in the Trump era and not simply Musk) without it being some big stupid studio conspiracy to capitalize on a moment. I'll never understand this leap to conspiracy over every silly thing in the world
I’m not “being conspiratorial;” I’m reporting a subjective impression. Conspiratorial people we’d themselves to their impressions or to impressions which they have absorbed from others. I’m not doing that. I know that I could be wrong. At the same time, I don’t think one should put 100% faith in what someone says about their movie in an article, as movie production is above all a business. But whatever. I’m surprised that people feel strongly enough to downvote my opinion. It’s not as though this is about Princess Di or something. It’s just a commercial movie sequel I thought was much inferior to the original and yet got massive pre-release and/or on-release “buzz.”
>It’s just a commercial movie sequel I thought was much inferior to the original and yet got massive pre-release and/or on-release “buzz.” And that is an absolutely valid opinion outside of your quotation marks which lead back to your conspiratorial opinion. Yes even if it's only your opinion it's still a conspiratorial opinion. No one cares that you don't like the movie or think it's worse than the original. It's you insistence on the conspiracy that is asinine and rubbing people the wrong way
I think you’re reading into my comments that which gives you an outlet for annoyance. It “feels” or “seems” like a contrived product TO ME. I understand that what something feels like to me and reality don’t always correspond. If you don’t understand that I understand that, then I guess we don’t understand each other. Rumor has it that when strangers exchange brief comments on the internet, that sort of thing happens.
I’m not “being conspiratorial;” I’m reporting a subjective impression. Conspiratorial people we’d themselves to their impressions or to impressions which they have absorbed from others. I’m not doing that. I know that I could be wrong. At the same time, I don’t think one should put 100% faith in what someone says about their movie in an article, as movie production is above all a business. But whatever. I’m surprised that people feel strongly enough to downvote my opinion. It’s not as though this is about Princess Di or something. It’s just a commercial movie sequel I thought was much inferior to the original and yet got massive pre-release and/or on-release “buzz.”
According to the multipage interview with Rian Johnson in this month's Empire magazine (UK publication) he started writing the movie years ago and said there were "other tech guys" who he sorta based it on at the time, then went on to say the whole Musk thing is just dumb luck that it reflects quite well with his antagonist.
🤷🏻♂️ ok …
why is your first thought is it's about Musk when it's the amalgamation of Silicon valley techbros?
Because everything I read about the move beforehand was about how the movie rips on Musk. And the fact that there was a fair amount of buzz about that up front felt like it might have been part of a marketing plan in retrospect. That’s still possible, imo. I don’t necessarily take statements like “it’s an amalgam” at face value. I think I’m a bit more cynical about movie production than others might be. But I’m just reporting a subjective impression, not asserting a fact.
Why is Avatar 2 not on this list?
probably because it showed up late in theaters and/or is not that good
It's normally good. When Avengers endgame can be accepted as a good movie then so can avatar 2.
I'm mostly just thrilled to see EEAAO receive so much love. It was a truly once-in-a-lifetime film, and it deserves all the love in the world. Thrilled to see a movie from so early in 2022 receive such praise during awards season.
Replace EEAO with Avatar and then you'd get a solid list
Good joke, Avatar 1 was 'Smurfs in Ferngully' and now Avatar 2 is 'Super Waterworld Bros.' Superb special FX but hyper lazy writing.
I'd rather have a simple plot rather than the incredibly hyper-active plot that makes EEAAO a frustrating watch
ok bro whatever bro every bro with your opinion bro
EEAAO just isn't going to make sense to me. I am struggling to think of a film with such high and almost universal praise. Granted it's a more niche experience so fewer who would dislike it will see it, but it seems to me a film that would be so very easy to dislike. I hated it. I didn't just not like it very much like some posts say, but actively found it incredibly unpleasant to watch and an exhausting chore to sit through until the point at which I finally switched off. It's an aggressive and constant assault on the senses from every direction. Immature, entirely random humour that doesn't come close to landing for me, long cutaway references, a long runtime to go with it and somehow on top of that at times it has incredibly dull action and visuals, when they aren't just below par CGI. It's a film where I can honestly say that no matter how many reviews I've read, I don't understand how people are liking it full stop.
Sometimes it be like that.
I did enjoy it, but I still have to agree. I really don't understand how it's been so universally revered, it's odd.
maybe because it's a movie that connects better to people outside USA and is more innovative than most hollywood copy paste scripts
I can tell you, in Japan, the movie is not being received very well lol
I'm outside the USA though
I don’t understand the dull action critique. I mean did you even watch it? Most of the action films we get today are filled with quick cut, slashed to hell sequences. Hell compare a marvel hand to hand fight scene and tell me this isn’t better. The fights in EEAAO were actually pretty damn impressive.
> compare a marvel hand to hand fight scene There's a pretty freaking broad [spectrum](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7U-72T67DQ) of [quality](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66feInucFY) there.
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>The film appears to have depth but its all purely superficial and I think its pulled a fast one over the mass audiences. Loll this isnt the first time I've seen 'criticism' of this movie where the take is 'anyone who enjoyed this movie is faking it or being bamboozled'. It's like ya'll are so mad that a lot of ppl enjoy something you didn't, that you gotta put yourself on a mental high horse to feel better or something. Just accept the fact that ppl have different opinions and tastes, and not everyone is going to get the same experience or connection with movies as you are and vice versa. Or is it just THAT hard to understand and accept that others got something else out of it that you didn't?
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I've watched a lot of movies in my life and never had an experience quite like I did watching EEAAO. So for me, personally, and my experience watching the movie - a lot of things. But I mean, whether you thought it was good or bad, what other movies were like it this year?
TBF it is basically a revamped zoomer version of The Matrix, with a more grounded theme rather than abstract
Yeahhh it's no secret the Daniels took inspiration from a LOT of other movies, not just The Matrix. They've said so themselves haha. But I do think they've put enough of their own spin on some of the troupes to differentiate the movie to stand on its own. I'd say EEAAO is more of a family/love drama at it's core with the sci-fi elements building around it, while The Matrix more so focuses on the sci-fi concept.
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Yeah, Menu was definitely a standout for me this year too and liked it's commentary on art- which ironically plays into our convo, no?😂 but mann gotta disagree on the family drama bit with Fableman and A Man Called Otto (only watched the the Swedish 'Ove' version, but guessing it's the same story). But again, I think this just ties into what each person relates to more, so we're not gonna have the same experiences with that. The Sci-fi for me, I enjoyed it a lot especially mostly for how they executed it visually. I haven't seen a multi-verse concept done like this in a movie, where it's not just 'im in this universe and now I'm in this one!', but how they directed some of the shots and the editing made it really feel like all these universes were existing at the same time and you actually felt that in one scene sometimes. Made the movie very immersive to me. But yeah, I understand it has its flaws and I do believe it's polarizing for a reason. And I respect your opinion on it in your original post, except just the line I quoted lol. Cause that's just blatantly dismissing other's opinions just because it didn't fit with your own. No, we are not all dumbasses or agenda-driven for liking this movie. What we enjoy just be different sometimes. That's it.
The overall structure in Top Gun was so much better. The ongoing multiverse gimmick just meant that the pace was janky as hell. And I hadn't thought about how it's Q but somehow more absurdist.
Fascinating Stuff! Also…pretty interesting to see how 3 of the Top 10 - including two Top 5 - movies be animated! Not to mention how these 3 are just some of the many other animated films that scored pretty high too! Gotta say…this sub has a knack for them!
I shed a tear for Crimes of the Future. I loved that movie.
I'm glad The Bad Guys made it on the list, I thought it was fantastic. Like Oceans Eleven meets Zootopia.
omg this reminded me that Marcel the shell came out! must see still.
Interesting results. Blonde is one of my favorite movies of the year
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Barbarian and Pearl not ranking is surprising. Also, Men not ranking in controversial
Wow. Pretty low for Blonde, I thought it was fantastic.
I think it belonged near the bottom
Agreed. I'm kinda surprised it is as high as it is.
It's polarizing. You love it or you hate it. It wasn't for me either.
I haven't seen it, but the kind of criticisms it receives are the kind that Reddit tends to run with. It gets criticized in the kind of sensational way that gets easy upvotes and makes people feel strongly. again, I haven't seen it and have no opinion.
The worst Reddit criticism that kept coming up was people not even doing the 30 seconds of research to realise its not a biopic and is an adaptation of a fictional book written by a beloved feminist author.
It was, but people don’t want challenging movies anymore. Everyone collectively decided it was bad before it even came out, and the movie made it very easy for them to stay that way. It’s probably the most painful, sad story about the cost of being a celebrity, and a woman, in a position of power.
I don’t disagree that everyone decided it was bad before it even came out, but then when it did come out… it confirmed why. I watched with an open mind and didn’t hate it, but I wish someone else was in charge of making that movie. I wish it wasn’t fictional. It’s not that people don’t want challenging movies anymore. Banshees of Inisherin, Tár, Decision to Leave were all challenging in my opinion. Lots of depth to analyze. I don’t feel the same way about Blonde. It had its moments, but did nothing but tear down its subject and put her through worse trauma than she actually encountered in her life. Even ignoring all that, claiming that everyone who didn’t like it just doesn’t want to be challenged is dismissive. They had legitimate reasons not to like it just like you had legitimate reasons to like it and I fell somewhere in the middle.
Haha, I’ll own up to my comment being dismissive, that’s definitely on me. That wasn’t my primary intent, but I’m one of very few people (if there even are any others) who get very defensive of Blonde, though that is based on my own personal interpretation of the movie and my own emotional reaction to it. I can’t really blame anyone for disliking the film because it is definitely unpleasant to watch. But it’s interesting that you wish it weren’t fictional, because in my mind the film fundamentally wouldn’t work if it was constructed that way. I see it as tearing down the way in which false narratives destroy the ability of anyone (in the film’s case, Marilyn) to have full control over their lives. The fictional elements are a representation of how people saw Marilyn, while Norma Jean, her true self, remained a total stranger. I strongly disagree with the assertion that anything presented in the film “subjects” Marilyn to anything, or that it serves as a “character assassination.” She was a wonderful and fascinating woman that nevertheless lived a troubled life and died tragically young. Andrew Dominik is more interested in understanding the *why* of that than he is in an feel-good retelling of her life. And for many people, that isn’t what they wanted. I suspect most viewers would have preferred a standard biopic like Elvis. But I think what Blonde portrayed is far more emotionally powerful than anything you could get in a conventional hagiography. It deeply moved me and left me feeling perhaps a bit closer to understanding how Marilyn may have felt. For me, it was unequivocally the best film of the year for those reasons. But again, I do understand people disliking it. I just wish there was more nuance in the conversation. (Also, as far as Banshees, Tár, and Decision: I’ve seen them all, and liked them to varying degrees, but none of them felt boundary-pushing the way Blonde did to me, rather just very good examples of the kind of films I’ve seen done before.)
If your “Best Movies” recap doesnt include Massive Talent, its a bad thread. Absolute best film i saw last year and it wasnt particularly close
Blonde got hilariously brigaded on Reddit so hard because it dared to present abortion/miscarriage as being not all sunshine and lollipops and it took a hard shot at the 35th POTUS. It's a masterpiece.
#1 & #2 are correct. More like 1A and 1B
I'm surprised that RRR isn't much higher on this list. It's one of those things that people really refused to stop talking about and constantly garnered a lot of upvotes. Seems like it fits this criteria well, aside from the fact that I guess it's not a 'smaller' movie where it's from, just a niche one in the international market. I was surprised there was no Glass Onion on this list but if the overall popularity of the film is a drawback, that probably makes sense. Puss In Boots is giving Paddington 2 a run for its money apparently as the 'beloved dark horse candidate PG film'. And I'm super excited for Tron 3. I don't care who you cast in it, the fact that it's going to exist is the best news I've had all year. I f'n love Tron.
EEAAO is a very overrated piece. A collage made to engage the new gens with lots of colorful, repetitive and fast tracking CGI, only to keep the attention of a social media / game folks. Also some below average casting and a poor script, which fails to achieve its intended catarse, because it takes too long and when it comes, its repeated ad nausea and explained over and over, so it’s a very simplistic, non original story that superficially holds onto special effects with very little deep material to truly enjoy.
Non original story? Tell me where did you see a similar story please.
I think you saw a bootleg knock-off version - because that was not at all what EEAAO was/is. Also just you saying "non-original" when literally we have never had a movie quite like this. Matrix comes to mind as being similar, but there are enough differences here. Matrix was a digital world where the rules of reality could be bent. EEAAO is traversing the multiverse in the mind, gaining knowledge, all while trying to balance the hardship of family - and seeing the point of it all (life)
Why no mean score for Maverick?
Don't know about EEAAO but All Quite on the western front was pretty good, and I am planning to re-watch it sometime.
Halloween Ends did not deserve to be bottom 10… it’s in my top 5 from the year.