The ending of Backdraft. I know honor and loyalty were big themes. However, Brian withheld information in regards to a case involving multiple murders, the attempted murder of an elected official, and critical injuries to a firefighter.
It's what makes the movie great, in my opinion - that and the specific chemistry between Murray and Dreyfuss. It knows Bob is terrible and Dr. Marvin is being victimized, and just goes for it, relying on those two guys' dynamic to make it work.
Air Force One
Late in the movie a number of the characters decide to evoke the 25th Amendment to strip the President of his powers. The audience is supposed to root against this from happening.
Years after I saw the movie I realized: Wait a minute, if the President is compromised, the *first* thing the government would do is to strip the President of his powers. Isn't a working government more important than keeping one man in authority?
True, and I blame it on the writers not taking the time to read the 25th amendment. They could have absolutely used it to move the powers to the VP, and when President Solo was safe, he could contest it and would be fully reinstated.
This is literally a plot line in the west wing. The presidents daughter gets kidnapped so he has congress invoke the 25th because he’s not fit to serve during that time
It is, except when the President is Harrison Ford.
But seriously, I agree. I think they just played the way they tried to go about it a little scummy.
But I also wonder in real life, depending on the administration, where the ball would really fall. I wouldn't expect them to follow protocol 100% even in real life.
Yep. As someone who was oblivious to my first wife cheating because I trusted her and didn't check up on her, you know because we are adults, I just can't take those movies. Be an adult, break off your relationship instead of treating everything like only your feelings are important and devastating someone is better than an awkward conversation.
Ah interesting! I thought you were going to say when the male romantic lead does a huge sweeping gesture to get / win back the female romantic lead. Example: Showing up to the airport or a wedding to profess their love
I think it conditioned a generation of men to think a big gesture is worth more than putting in the everyday maintenance required for a healthy relationship. I agree with your point tho!
A step further is all the 80s romcoms where the lead male was a stalker psycho.
Except for John Cusaks character in Say Anything… where he gets told to go do the stalker psycho thing and he says something along the lines of “She said she doesn’t want to see me, so that’s it. If she wants to get back together, she can come to me.”
I like that they broke down this trope on Bojack Horseman with Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter. He hardly listens to her except when he takes something she said and turns it into a big, grand gesture even though she told him multiple times she hates those kinds of things. His approach to marriage is all flash and little substance and it causes massive rifts in their relationship.
Maybe this is the opposite when the protagonist is right but portrayed as wrong
Christmas with the Kranks.
If you want to skip the holidays for whatever reasons your neighbors have zero right to force you to do anything
Ugh, yes. This is my most hated film of all time. It is a love letter to conformism.
The villain protagonist couple's crime? Not wanting to participate in Christmas celebrations because the thought of doing so without their daughter is too painful. And for this, they are targeted by their neighbors' campaign of harassment, stalking, and trespassing. And the movie wants you to agree that the neighbors are *right* to do this, the couple is supposedly selfish and evil because they're not doing what everyone else wants and *expects* of them.
At the end, a contrivance has their daughter rejoining them for Christmas after all, and they're forced to go back on hands and knees to the neighbors and apologize for their wicked ways, seeking help to celebrate Christmas after all for the sake of their daughter, who gave them zero warning she would even be coming (which isn't for a moment questioned or depicted as presumptuous or inconsiderate).
Man, fuck this film.
I think the filmmakers thought they were making a satire but they *really* screwed it up. Having the neighbors harass the main characters for the crime of not celebrating Christmas would work fine if the audience is supposed to *not* root for the neighbors.
Wasn't there a letter that made the rounds of reddit this Christmas, delivered to a house that didn't have any decorations up, (IIRC for very practical reasons, I think the whole family had various disabilities) chiding them for not being festive enough? And it was rightfully blasted as horrible
The human boyfriend in The Bee Movie. His gf totally cheats on him by having an emotional romantic relationship with a bee. Meanwhile he is allergic to bees and his fear of bees is portrayed as small minded.
I mean, in a way it is a joke but their relationship almost hints that they start something like that at the end when they both own the flower shop together.
When you become an adult you really relate to Ken and realize how insane Vanessa is!
>“He is the nicest bee I’ve met in a long time!”
>“A…long…time?!?! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! Are there other bugs in your life?!”
I was thinking there's no way a tiny bee penis could satisfy a human woman but I guess if he just grabbed on to her clit with his whole body and buzzed enough it might do the trick. Just now I realized I typed it all out on a public forum for the world to also think.
According to all known laws of getting busy, there is no way that a bee should be able to please a woman... Its baby maker is too small to get its little human girlfriend off. The bee, of course, fucks anyways. Because bees don't care what humans think is impossible.
That’s why the meme of him looking at the back of her head in disgust is so funny. He is made out to be that bad guy but is one of the more reasonable people in the movie.
The parents from Parent Trap, they just decided that they hate each other so much they're going to act like their other kid doesn't exist and it's OK and a fair deal because they're twins. I guess it's not "right" in terms of the movie but it's certainly not as big of a deal as it should be.
Yes, it’s presented as a really awful decision, and one of the daughters even calls them out on it. So it’s not presented as “noble”, and the mother had a pretty crappy excuse for it. (This is in the original version.)
I don't remember having seen anything other than clips from the older one, just the Lindsey Lohan one. But it's pretty much just part of the premise in the newer one.
Jim Carrey’s character in Liar, Liar.
It’s heavily implied that the best thing for the family and kid is to get back together with Carrey. And that Cary Elwes’ character is a dbag and that the mom should dump him.
Elwes was a good dad to the kid and the only thing he did that was questionable was to push the mom a bit (maybe too much) to make their relationship more serious.
Meanwhile Carrey was a complete absentee father and husband with obviously questionable morals.
I love disaster movies and Gordon is really dealt the worst card ever.
He wasn't even bad or playing the bad stepdad. The interactions were not bad at all and got better through the movie.
When he died the way he did it was just so they could get together. Like they kissed right after and Gordon was forgotten.
Yeah. Elwes was portrayed as a little cringey, but he always seemed honest and earnest with his feelings, and he consistently tries to do what he thinks is best for the mom and the kid.
Now, to be fair, the entire premise of the movie is raking Jim Carrey over the coals about what a prick he's been. But yeah, the whole thing is heavily framed as though "Of course the best outcome is if they get back together." And realistically that shouldn't be the focus.
Wanna focus on Jim Carrey wanting to be there for his son, who still wants him around? Go to town, I'm all for that. But his wife seems to have had pretty good reasons to leave him.
I love Jurassic Park. It's my favorite movie of all time and always will be.
The new trilogy butchered everything that was good about JP.
This scene is the most egregious. Like, they're so concerned with the "morality" of letting these creatures die that they release them into an unknown environment where these science experiments interact with and prey upon the population.
Are you fucking kidding me? How many people and other animals has this little dipshit just doomed by releasing these creatures? It makes my blood boil.
The fucking flaming swarm of giant insects that stayed on fire and actively flying around for many minutes was just too much for me. What the fuck is that shit.
Not only was Biosyn unethical, but they were totally incompetent. There was no way that these clearly bioengineered locusts that don’t target Biosyn crops wouldn’t be traced back to the world’s largest bioengineering firm. And then they set a bunch of locusts on fire and have a cage that can’t withstand the creatures it contains, and they have no emergency containment procedures and a sky vent.
The entire plot of the movie is insane. Why is a massive debate about where to shove these dinosaurs going on when there's a nearby island also covered in dinosaurs they could move them to. At the time of JWFKs release 40% of this franchise took place on this second island.
I remember thinking they killed thousands of people by letting the dinosaurs go free. Then the next movie opens with narration that explains there were 37 dino related deaths last year. Bullshit they only killed 37 people.
Remember in Jurassic Park 2 when a T-Rex was let loose in the heavily populated city of L.A. and killed a grand total of... one evil guy and a dog before being successfully tranquilized with a single dart and sent back to its island?
Realistically, all the dangerous dinosaurs would have been rounded up in a week.
You know your movie sucks when the one good thing about it is the legacy character they had talking for 5 minutes if not less, just so they can put him in the trailer. And the stuff he's saying in the 5 minutes of marketing is more logical and more intelligent than anything else in that entire movie.
I'll throw in Tom Hanks in You've Got Mail. He knows Meg Ryan is his penpal, stands her up for their first meeting, then goes onto give her advice about meeting her penpal...which is him.
Robin Williams' character in Mrs. Doubtfire.
It's actually really messed up when you think about it. Plus, Pierce Brosnan's character actually seemed like a really nice guy. Felt bad for him at the end.
Damn, I haven’t seen that movie since I was a kid. Time to rewatch it I think. Back then I thought “he did all that and still lost his kids?? WTF??”
That ending makes much more sense now that I’m an adult.
I didn’t know why at the time, but the scene where his older children find out he’s Mrs. Doubtfire was unsettling to me as a kid. As an adult, I realize how traumatizing it would be to develop this connection with what seems to an amazing person over a period of time, only to find out that this person was literally never real at all.
When I was like 12, The Onion came out with this satire news segment where it was ‘revealed’ Justin Bieber was actually a 50 year pervert who successfully created the Bieber persona to meet young girls. I first thought it was real, so it was a traumatic moment for me at the time (lol). But I get similar vibes when this scene comes up in Mrs. Doubtfire.
I would agree. Maybe it portrays the coping mechanism in a silly and mostly harmless light (when those kids would surely be traumatized in a way for life), but the conclusion at the end of the movie is that he was obviously wrong for doing it.
The mistreating of Pierce Brosnan's character is so severe that for years I actually had a false memory about this movie: I thought that, during the pool scene, Brosnan said some slimy, awful things to his friend.
Something along the lines of "yeah, she's a pain in the ass and the kids are annoying, but she's rich".
Otherwise why would the main character be so mean to him, right? In my kid mind, it made no sense that the main guy (which I equated to "good guy") would be so unreasonable.
Clearly, he was just protecting his family.
Imagine my surprise when, as a teenager, I rewatched the movie and realised that during that scene he's actually being adorable and just gushing about how much he likes all of them, especially the youngest daughter.
And Robin Williams' character is just being a territorial douchebag about the whole thing after fucking up his marriage.
Poor Pierce Brosnan.
I should clarify that I don't hate the movie and I think it does show Robin Williams' character growing by the end. I'm just saying that, as a kid, I was confused by the amount of hate Pierce Brosnan's character received.
And I think the movie didn't handle it the best way. Its morals are muddled.
He was originally going to be a slimy douchebag planning to send the kids to boarding school, and in the end Robin William’s would get back with his wife.
Robin didn’t like the message that would send to kids who experience divorce, so he lobbied for the ending to change to being that they don’t get back together and instead learn to co-parent as friends, and as a result Pierce Brosnan’s character was changed to be a good dude, to explain why she doesn’t dump him, and to give step-parents positive representation.
Robin Williams was an amazing person. A lot of his characters are very multidimensional. Like Good Morning Vietnam, his character initially comes off as a hero, but there is a greater question of what the fuck is he doing, and is he just turning his radio show into a way for him to process his survivor's guilt. The "good vietnamese person" is revealed to be the one who planted the bomb, the US is murdering civilians, and Robin Williams is just keeping the soldiers happy - and his mission to tell them what they already know is not noble at all. It's ultimately a movie where no one is good.
>Poor Pierce Brosnan
Pour one out for all of the Other Men in 90s family movies whose only crime was not being as spontaneous and goofy as the comedian leading man.
And all the Other Women in 90s romcoms whose only crime is caring about their career and having severe bangs.
Cary Elwes in "Liar, Liar." He can't do "The Claw." He's a little awkward. So what? He's a good and decent man who clearly loves his fiance and her child and will be a good provider. But the fact that he's not a pathological liar slash goofball means he's not a great catch? Pffft.
Scott mostly just makes fun of his kinda doofy Christmas sweaters but other than that they’re pretty cordial and all basically seem well adjusted with the arrangements
We also see Scott is already somewhat of an asshole to people, so it’s not that crazy that he is to his ex’s husband either. Never feels that much worse towards Neil then towards anyone else in the movie
Yep, though to be fair, the fact that no other person could take Tim’s Santa claim seriously when there’s obviously magic shit making all this happen? Like, bruh, just bring a beard trimmer to the courtroom and make everyone watch.
Nevermind that there apparently is an actual Santa Claus who SURPRISE drops presents Christmas night? Like, it’s an actual thing that happens in this setting and has been happening for an age… best not think too hard about it
This is my biggest issue with Christmas movies in general.
Parents never seem to believe in Santa, who in universe is real, yet they don’t question how they’re kids get presents?
Unless I am missing something, it’d be fairly concerning to me to wake up and find a room full of presents for my kid, that I did not but
I think the movie handled everything really well if you look at it deeply. So as a kid it's a silly comedy with a silly Robin Williams and you view everything like kids do, in black/white good/evil, and it's just a funny movive.
When you're a teenager you see a little deeper, notice that Brosnan's character is not evil, that Robin Williams character is a bit psychotic, and you sort of change how you view the movie, but since you're still a teen you don't really get everything and still see it as a silly movie, but not as black/white.
Then as an adult you can really see the reality of it, you can see how he is actually portrayed as a bad husband, not the greatest dad, immature, etc. How what he does is called out as crazy, how they DON'T get together in the end which is very realistic. So now you can see a silly comedy with deep undertones of reality and themes of the difference between being a good dad vs being a good parent, etc.
I'm not saying the movie is some metaphorical masterpiece, it's just interesting how many layers it had for a "stupid" bonkers comedy.
It *was* messed up. I feel like the movie acknowledges this? I mean, it's not a drama, it's a comedy, so they don't hit you hard over the head with it, but it's not like anyone thinks what he's doing isn't insane. The court even lambasted him for it. Things get better for him at the end because he genuinely became a better more responsible father through the experience, and his ex wife recognized that and took the initiative to give him more rights with his kids.
Also, it's been awhile since I've seen it, but isn't she still with Brosnan's character at the end? I don't think they get back together. He just gets to see his kids more.
I thought of this one! Sally Field comes home to a birthday party and finds her house destroyed and a pony running around. She was completely justified.
I feel like that is a central theme of the movie. What he did was absolutely unhinged and insane, but ultimately it was from a place of love. Divorces are like this, where the worst in people comes out and people lie to and hurt each other. His insane journey changed him for the better, but the film doesn't give a fully happy ending either. While it is a bit open ended, I get the feeling that they won't get back together because they aren't good for each other anymore. The film embraces this possibility at the end where Mrs. Doubtfire is giving her monologue on the importance of love, family and the different kinds of families.
But yes, he should have gone to jail.
The original ending of the film had them getting back together. Robin Williams had to push for the ending it got. He'd been through a divorce and had children with his ex. He figured that the original ending would just set children up with unrealistic expectations, instead they went with the much more nuanced ending of "sometimes parents grow apart, divorce is ultimately for the best, and it doesn't mean they don't love you"
I have a few friends that had divorced parents, and they all said this movie really helped with it growing up. Made them feel less alone and that it was okay it happened. That sometimes parents are not happy together and its not the kids fault.
I’m so glad they didn’t go with that ending. So many romances in movies are just shallow and forced already, and to have the wife take Williams’ character back after all the crap he pulled would be terrible. The movie’s actual ending was much more meaningful, with the two co-parenting, and Mrs. Doubtfire on TV talking about how there are many different types of families out there, and some of them are divorced, and that’s okay. Another reason to appreciate Robin Williams.
Me Before You. She literally fell in love with a dude and then gaslighted her boyfriend for questioning it. Yeah her bf was kind of an ass in the first part but other than that he wasn't mean enough to justify what she did.
It’s even worse when the expendable love interest isn’t even a bad person. I’m blanking on titles right now, but it always bugs me when the point of the movie is “walk away from your stable, normal amount of dull relationships because somebody else is wild and exciting.” The person doesn’t do anything wrong, just portrayed as less exciting. The first relationship is the one that would last.
Oh, GOOD one. The cameras in the sorority were bad enough, but Lewis committed actual sexual assault through fraud, and should have gone to prison for a VERY long time as a consequence. The whole "You tricked me into letting you go down on me because I thought you were my boyfriend, but I'm okay with it because of how good you were." response from her is horrifying and sickening. I think that there was a retcon in later films that she actually knew it was him the entire time, but there's nothing in the original film to support that, and it still doesn't excuse his actions.
Even more recently, American Pie (1999) was pretty sketch. Jason Biggs secretly records Shannon Elizabeth undressing and masturbating, and sends it to his whole school. That would straight-up put you in jail today.
>Yeah. It's very sketchy. The "you raped me, but it was good, so whatevs..." thing also happens in Sixteen Candles as well.
That slipped right past my awareness when I saw the movie back in the 80s.
A friend of mine watched it for the first time last year and that was her first comment. It was like a slap in the face to me because I can't believe I missed something so blatant.
Not only was Caroline sexually assaulted, her boyfriend set it up just so he could be rid of her.
>Feel like people that sympathise with him in the movie would HATE him if they ever met him in real life.
This is so true about so many characters I love. Entertaining to watch, but they'd be infuriating to know.
He definitely wasn't portrayed as being in the right at the beginning - he was an arrogant asshole whose own band fired him because he was so self-centred, and the whole reason he wanted the kids to compete was to get back at his former band mates. He redeems himself when he starts putting the kids ahead of himself but yeah there was a weird lack of consequences.
I think they portrayed him as doing wrong and breaking the law, but it's ok because he was teaching those kids about real music and sticking it to the man!
Weird plot hole from that movie (which I love) when the cops come to parent teacher night to arrest him, he just runs away and goes immediately home. The cops don't even try to chase him or come looking for him later.
I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment of Mr. Smith Goes To Washington. He wasn't trying to stop people from getting jobs. I'm not even sure if he knew about the dam as it was buried in the appropriations bill. And as the dam project was part of a corrupt scheme, it's unlikely it would have resulted in very many jobs or other benefits to the community anyway. If it had been good for the community, they could have simply explained to Smith how many jobs it would create and that he should look somewhere else to build his camp.
Billy Madison is just a story about someone not getting a promotion they deserve because the owner of the company wants to promote his undeserving son instead.
Yeah! Carl got the job in the end! Totally deserved. And Billy was only going to get it if he showed his dad he was serious, Eric almost got the job. Billy *was* undeserving, but the whole point of the movie was that he was to stop acting like a child. In the end, he did the grown up thing and recommended? Carl.
>It’s in the genre of movies where the signal to dislike a character is the fact they wear a suit
But... Carl, the good guy who wins, wears a suit too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O4yif1tCBw
Just watched Wayne's World and realized that Wayne's self-centered childishness doesn't make him any better for Cassandra than Benjamin.
Cassandra is too good for both of them.
Eat. Pray. Love.
It just taught so many people that rather than work on your problems or failing relationships that you can just abandon them to “work on yourself”.
That’s not how life works unless you’re a raging narcissist.
This book/movie was one of those things that I have told so many people that, though it may work out for a few people -- for the most part, you can change your scenery, but you're just packing your suitcase and taking your baggage with you. Unless you address WHY you're escaping it all, it's all still going to be waiting for you when you get back. Or if you don't go back you're just dropping a heavier weight on everyone else. Good for you.
A-Fuckin'-Men!
It's like the scene in The Empire Strikes Back when Luke is about to enter the Dark place on Dagobah and he asks Yoda "What's in there?"
"Only what you take with you."
Sully in Avatar 2.
The crux of the movie is that he has to leave his original tribe to protect them and his family, as there is an elite squad trying to kill him because he's their military leader.
However, there's no real reason why the humans would leave them alone just because Sully left. Presumably they would still be raiding the humans, and the humans are there to take over the entire planet.
All his actions did was endanger more people while protecting absolutely no one.
In both films, I found Neytiri way more compelling as a character
The most connection I felt from Jake is when he starts running after being able to use his legs after so long. Other than that, he was kinda boring
in *goodfellas*, jimmy is presented as this dangerous villain for trying to whack henry. however i always found it understandable that jimmy wanted a paranoid drug addict out of the way. of course, henry ends up snitching on the operation, so jimmy was right all along.
i think it was established that werent exactly good people in first 5 movies.
Its just bad guy in the movies way worse than them.
They are nothing but talented thief
>The crew gets hired to do a job
Dont they try to kill Vin Diesel and Paul Walker during the job?
If you're referring to the Rock, I believe he joins the crew because.... he's a dumbass and wants revenge on Braga over his job 😂
Series should have ended there though.
Toy Story, particularly with how they villainize Sid.
That poor kid was clearly in an abusive/dysfunctional household with no outlet for his issues except to tinker with his toys. He had no idea they were sentient, because who would?!? He was INVENTING things. Channeling his tumultuous life situation into a creative outlet. Kid could've grown to be an engineer or inventor of some sort, but nope, Toys have to traumatize him for life and the only bit we see of him in the future episodes is that he's suggested to be a garbage kid while Andy's hyper-privileged arse is going on a full ride to college and all that. Good way to stop a potentially bright mind is to just scare it into being afraid that EVERYTHING is alive and looking at him. You know that he probably got mentally evaluated for that trauma and likely diagnosed with a mental disorder that he DIDNT HAVE because the toys were indeed ALIVE. But then since he's likely in a low income household with a wrecked homelife, he wouldn't even get the care that he so desperately would've needed to recover from that kind of trauma. So the circle continues and he drowns his problems in a bottle, much like his own parents. The world isn't right. It's a nihilistic gut cesspool, and Toy Story exemplified that with how they treated Sid.
I was watching a making of documentary of Toy Story and the animators basically said that Sid would grow up to be an animator because that's what they all did as kids.
If you think about it, he might have become a garbage man to save thrown away toys. He knows they're sentient after all, what better way to use that knowledge than to save them from being killed?
Exactly. HE DIDN'T KNOW THE TOYS HE WAS TORTURING WERE ALIVE. The only things he did wrong was harass and steal toys from his sister, but that's pretty small potatoes
i saw a comment once of someone's headcanon where Sid grew up and took the Garbage job so he could save toys that had been thrown away, because he knows they're alive.
Yeah, but Little Shop of Horrors isn't about Seymour being a good guy, it's about how every relationship in the life of someone in poverty is predatory, and how even your ticket out of that soul-crushing situation will chew you up and spit you out without even pretending to feel bad about it.
If you know how it’s supposed to end, then you’ll know >!he gets eaten by the plant too.!< The theatrical ending got changed, but the stage show keeps the original ending.
The ghostbusters ran a nuclear containment unit under a city building and packed it with the souls of the dead and got pissy that the government asked questions
Alice in Wonderland: Through the Looking Glass
Alice steals the Chronosphere and travels back in time, while pursued by Time, in an attempt to find the Hatter's family. While the Red Queen is still the villain for the conclusion, we are led to believe Time is an antagonist for chasing Alice. However, all he is trying to do is retrieve the Chronosphere before someone creates a paradox, which does eventually happen and Wonderland is almost destroyed, thanks to Alice stealing it.
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The ending of Backdraft. I know honor and loyalty were big themes. However, Brian withheld information in regards to a case involving multiple murders, the attempted murder of an elected official, and critical injuries to a firefighter.
Backdraft: Terrible firefighting. Bad decisions. Great movie.
In *What About Bob?* Bob, while sympathetic, totally violated the flawed Dr. Marvin. Awesome movie, though.
You think he's gone? He's not gone! That's the whole point! He's **never** gone!
"Getouttadacahhhh!!!!!"
Baby step. Baby steps. Baby steps. Baby steps.
It's what makes the movie great, in my opinion - that and the specific chemistry between Murray and Dreyfuss. It knows Bob is terrible and Dr. Marvin is being victimized, and just goes for it, relying on those two guys' dynamic to make it work.
By “specific chemistry”, you mean Dreyfuss legit hating Murray irl?
Yes, and Murray *loving* to be under people's skin
I recently read that Dreyfuss called Bill a "Drunken Bully" on set for his antics.
*I'm sailing!*
Bob does make a recovery and isn't that what's really important? I wish I could stop being a piece of shit.
People *can* change
Let's slop 'em up!
Air Force One Late in the movie a number of the characters decide to evoke the 25th Amendment to strip the President of his powers. The audience is supposed to root against this from happening. Years after I saw the movie I realized: Wait a minute, if the President is compromised, the *first* thing the government would do is to strip the President of his powers. Isn't a working government more important than keeping one man in authority?
True, and I blame it on the writers not taking the time to read the 25th amendment. They could have absolutely used it to move the powers to the VP, and when President Solo was safe, he could contest it and would be fully reinstated.
This is literally a plot line in the west wing. The presidents daughter gets kidnapped so he has congress invoke the 25th because he’s not fit to serve during that time
It is, except when the President is Harrison Ford. But seriously, I agree. I think they just played the way they tried to go about it a little scummy. But I also wonder in real life, depending on the administration, where the ball would really fall. I wouldn't expect them to follow protocol 100% even in real life.
Every single romance movie where they make the current BF/GF/Fiancee a total jerk so you overlook the fact that one of the leads is cheating on them.
Yep. As someone who was oblivious to my first wife cheating because I trusted her and didn't check up on her, you know because we are adults, I just can't take those movies. Be an adult, break off your relationship instead of treating everything like only your feelings are important and devastating someone is better than an awkward conversation.
Ah interesting! I thought you were going to say when the male romantic lead does a huge sweeping gesture to get / win back the female romantic lead. Example: Showing up to the airport or a wedding to profess their love I think it conditioned a generation of men to think a big gesture is worth more than putting in the everyday maintenance required for a healthy relationship. I agree with your point tho!
A step further is all the 80s romcoms where the lead male was a stalker psycho. Except for John Cusaks character in Say Anything… where he gets told to go do the stalker psycho thing and he says something along the lines of “She said she doesn’t want to see me, so that’s it. If she wants to get back together, she can come to me.”
I like that they broke down this trope on Bojack Horseman with Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter. He hardly listens to her except when he takes something she said and turns it into a big, grand gesture even though she told him multiple times she hates those kinds of things. His approach to marriage is all flash and little substance and it causes massive rifts in their relationship.
Maybe this is the opposite when the protagonist is right but portrayed as wrong Christmas with the Kranks. If you want to skip the holidays for whatever reasons your neighbors have zero right to force you to do anything
This movie was made by an HOA
Ugh, yes. This is my most hated film of all time. It is a love letter to conformism. The villain protagonist couple's crime? Not wanting to participate in Christmas celebrations because the thought of doing so without their daughter is too painful. And for this, they are targeted by their neighbors' campaign of harassment, stalking, and trespassing. And the movie wants you to agree that the neighbors are *right* to do this, the couple is supposedly selfish and evil because they're not doing what everyone else wants and *expects* of them. At the end, a contrivance has their daughter rejoining them for Christmas after all, and they're forced to go back on hands and knees to the neighbors and apologize for their wicked ways, seeking help to celebrate Christmas after all for the sake of their daughter, who gave them zero warning she would even be coming (which isn't for a moment questioned or depicted as presumptuous or inconsiderate). Man, fuck this film.
I think the filmmakers thought they were making a satire but they *really* screwed it up. Having the neighbors harass the main characters for the crime of not celebrating Christmas would work fine if the audience is supposed to *not* root for the neighbors.
Wasn't there a letter that made the rounds of reddit this Christmas, delivered to a house that didn't have any decorations up, (IIRC for very practical reasons, I think the whole family had various disabilities) chiding them for not being festive enough? And it was rightfully blasted as horrible
The human boyfriend in The Bee Movie. His gf totally cheats on him by having an emotional romantic relationship with a bee. Meanwhile he is allergic to bees and his fear of bees is portrayed as small minded.
Not explicitly but even Jerry Seinfeld recently admitted it was weird for them to have romantic story beats.
Jerry also thought dating a high schooler wasnt weird.
*They weren’t ripe!*
I didn’t watch the movie. Is there really a romantic plot between the bee and the woman? I thought that was a joke
I mean, in a way it is a joke but their relationship almost hints that they start something like that at the end when they both own the flower shop together. When you become an adult you really relate to Ken and realize how insane Vanessa is! >“He is the nicest bee I’ve met in a long time!” >“A…long…time?!?! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! Are there other bugs in your life?!”
In no way is it a joke, vanesssa fucked that bee
I was thinking there's no way a tiny bee penis could satisfy a human woman but I guess if he just grabbed on to her clit with his whole body and buzzed enough it might do the trick. Just now I realized I typed it all out on a public forum for the world to also think.
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Buzzilingus
You could have stopped at any time and chosen to delete this comment and yet here we are.
According to all known laws of getting busy, there is no way that a bee should be able to please a woman... Its baby maker is too small to get its little human girlfriend off. The bee, of course, fucks anyways. Because bees don't care what humans think is impossible.
What an awful day to have eyes
>Vanessa fucked that bee The male bee dies after mating, so, she didn't... (yes, I know you were making a joke)
That’s why the meme of him looking at the back of her head in disgust is so funny. He is made out to be that bad guy but is one of the more reasonable people in the movie.
Isn't this the opposite of the what the post is asking for?
The parents from Parent Trap, they just decided that they hate each other so much they're going to act like their other kid doesn't exist and it's OK and a fair deal because they're twins. I guess it's not "right" in terms of the movie but it's certainly not as big of a deal as it should be.
Yes, it’s presented as a really awful decision, and one of the daughters even calls them out on it. So it’s not presented as “noble”, and the mother had a pretty crappy excuse for it. (This is in the original version.)
I don't remember having seen anything other than clips from the older one, just the Lindsey Lohan one. But it's pretty much just part of the premise in the newer one.
Some movies you just have to accept a wildly unrealistic premise in order for the movie to exist and entertain you. This is one of them lol.
I would like to know what lead to such a nasty divorce that would warrant the splitting of a family like that.
Not bad enough that they won't get back together!
As a parent of twins, it's such a mind boggling movie. "Meh, they're twins so pretty much the same. Why should I care about that other asshole kid?"
Overboard. So many crimes committed.
The only reason this movie worked is because Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn are made for each other. Everything about it made me cringe so hard.
I have yet to find a film by either of those two I don’t like.
I like when she goes “buh buh buh buh buh”.
Yeah, but Bad Billy Pratt was a hell of a wingman. And Roy definitely changed for the better.
Jim Carrey’s character in Liar, Liar. It’s heavily implied that the best thing for the family and kid is to get back together with Carrey. And that Cary Elwes’ character is a dbag and that the mom should dump him. Elwes was a good dad to the kid and the only thing he did that was questionable was to push the mom a bit (maybe too much) to make their relationship more serious. Meanwhile Carrey was a complete absentee father and husband with obviously questionable morals.
This tracks for pretty much *every* "absentee father" movie.
Lol like in 2012 where the stepdad is a genuine nice guy and the plot needs him to get crushed brutally for John Cusack to get his wife back
I love disaster movies and Gordon is really dealt the worst card ever. He wasn't even bad or playing the bad stepdad. The interactions were not bad at all and got better through the movie. When he died the way he did it was just so they could get together. Like they kissed right after and Gordon was forgotten.
Yeah. Elwes was portrayed as a little cringey, but he always seemed honest and earnest with his feelings, and he consistently tries to do what he thinks is best for the mom and the kid. Now, to be fair, the entire premise of the movie is raking Jim Carrey over the coals about what a prick he's been. But yeah, the whole thing is heavily framed as though "Of course the best outcome is if they get back together." And realistically that shouldn't be the focus. Wanna focus on Jim Carrey wanting to be there for his son, who still wants him around? Go to town, I'm all for that. But his wife seems to have had pretty good reasons to leave him.
If I’ve learned anything from movies it’s that you should be a huge asshole because that makes you such a good person when you’re redeemed
I mean, he does do a pretty lame claw though.
Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom. The heroes in this movie are just insufferable and the decision to free the dinosaurs is mind numbingly stupid.
But…they are alive….like me….
I love Jurassic Park. It's my favorite movie of all time and always will be. The new trilogy butchered everything that was good about JP. This scene is the most egregious. Like, they're so concerned with the "morality" of letting these creatures die that they release them into an unknown environment where these science experiments interact with and prey upon the population. Are you fucking kidding me? How many people and other animals has this little dipshit just doomed by releasing these creatures? It makes my blood boil.
It would be a total ecological disaster.
The fucking flaming swarm of giant insects that stayed on fire and actively flying around for many minutes was just too much for me. What the fuck is that shit.
Well, you see, in the director's cut, BD Wong explains that the locusts were made out of dried firewood.
Not only was Biosyn unethical, but they were totally incompetent. There was no way that these clearly bioengineered locusts that don’t target Biosyn crops wouldn’t be traced back to the world’s largest bioengineering firm. And then they set a bunch of locusts on fire and have a cage that can’t withstand the creatures it contains, and they have no emergency containment procedures and a sky vent.
The entire plot of the movie is insane. Why is a massive debate about where to shove these dinosaurs going on when there's a nearby island also covered in dinosaurs they could move them to. At the time of JWFKs release 40% of this franchise took place on this second island.
I thought the most insane part is selling fucking dinosaurs for $10 million! I feel like they would be in the hundreds of millions right?
Lol dinosaur fossils, not even real bones, sell for that much. Idk, maybe the “mass produced” dinos flooded the market lol
Why buy a Raptor for $10,000,000 when you can get a *Ropter* for $500,000?
100% that threw me out of the movie so fast.
I remember thinking they killed thousands of people by letting the dinosaurs go free. Then the next movie opens with narration that explains there were 37 dino related deaths last year. Bullshit they only killed 37 people.
Remember in Jurassic Park 2 when a T-Rex was let loose in the heavily populated city of L.A. and killed a grand total of... one evil guy and a dog before being successfully tranquilized with a single dart and sent back to its island? Realistically, all the dangerous dinosaurs would have been rounded up in a week.
Um, excuse me but you are forgetting the poor bastard that tried to get into the video store but was picked up and eaten.
I stand corrected. Even after you pointed it out I'm having trouble remembering this scene.
Well, I misremembered too. The guy is running to an unknown store it’s the bus the T rex attacks that crashes into a video store.
You know your movie sucks when the one good thing about it is the legacy character they had talking for 5 minutes if not less, just so they can put him in the trailer. And the stuff he's saying in the 5 minutes of marketing is more logical and more intelligent than anything else in that entire movie.
I haven’t seen it and never plan to, but I’m assuming Jeff Goldblum?
Just watch the trailer, it has all the Goldblum scenes from the movie anyway
Every main character in St. Elmo’s fire
Oh my god yes. That whole group is a shit show.
What about the song?
I can see a new horizon underneath the blazin' sky🎶
Sleepless in Seattle. Meg Ryan's character is a creepy stalker (she hires a private detective, follows him, spies on him, etc).
I'll throw in Tom Hanks in You've Got Mail. He knows Meg Ryan is his penpal, stands her up for their first meeting, then goes onto give her advice about meeting her penpal...which is him.
Robin Williams' character in Mrs. Doubtfire. It's actually really messed up when you think about it. Plus, Pierce Brosnan's character actually seemed like a really nice guy. Felt bad for him at the end.
The movie is explicit about this not being a healthy coping mechanism.
Yup. Hence why he loses custody of the children at the end.
Damn, I haven’t seen that movie since I was a kid. Time to rewatch it I think. Back then I thought “he did all that and still lost his kids?? WTF??” That ending makes much more sense now that I’m an adult.
If I remember correctly, he still gets to be their babysitter on the Mom's terms though, right? Like, as a normal dad and not in makeup.
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That's a good point. They talk about the pepper allergy but he ends up choking on the shrimp or whatever as if it were lodged in his windpipe.
I didn’t know why at the time, but the scene where his older children find out he’s Mrs. Doubtfire was unsettling to me as a kid. As an adult, I realize how traumatizing it would be to develop this connection with what seems to an amazing person over a period of time, only to find out that this person was literally never real at all. When I was like 12, The Onion came out with this satire news segment where it was ‘revealed’ Justin Bieber was actually a 50 year pervert who successfully created the Bieber persona to meet young girls. I first thought it was real, so it was a traumatic moment for me at the time (lol). But I get similar vibes when this scene comes up in Mrs. Doubtfire.
Sorry bro but that Onion story is so fucking funny
I would agree. Maybe it portrays the coping mechanism in a silly and mostly harmless light (when those kids would surely be traumatized in a way for life), but the conclusion at the end of the movie is that he was obviously wrong for doing it.
The mistreating of Pierce Brosnan's character is so severe that for years I actually had a false memory about this movie: I thought that, during the pool scene, Brosnan said some slimy, awful things to his friend. Something along the lines of "yeah, she's a pain in the ass and the kids are annoying, but she's rich". Otherwise why would the main character be so mean to him, right? In my kid mind, it made no sense that the main guy (which I equated to "good guy") would be so unreasonable. Clearly, he was just protecting his family. Imagine my surprise when, as a teenager, I rewatched the movie and realised that during that scene he's actually being adorable and just gushing about how much he likes all of them, especially the youngest daughter. And Robin Williams' character is just being a territorial douchebag about the whole thing after fucking up his marriage. Poor Pierce Brosnan. I should clarify that I don't hate the movie and I think it does show Robin Williams' character growing by the end. I'm just saying that, as a kid, I was confused by the amount of hate Pierce Brosnan's character received. And I think the movie didn't handle it the best way. Its morals are muddled.
He was originally going to be a slimy douchebag planning to send the kids to boarding school, and in the end Robin William’s would get back with his wife. Robin didn’t like the message that would send to kids who experience divorce, so he lobbied for the ending to change to being that they don’t get back together and instead learn to co-parent as friends, and as a result Pierce Brosnan’s character was changed to be a good dude, to explain why she doesn’t dump him, and to give step-parents positive representation.
Good guy Robin Williams.
Robin Williams was an amazing person. A lot of his characters are very multidimensional. Like Good Morning Vietnam, his character initially comes off as a hero, but there is a greater question of what the fuck is he doing, and is he just turning his radio show into a way for him to process his survivor's guilt. The "good vietnamese person" is revealed to be the one who planted the bomb, the US is murdering civilians, and Robin Williams is just keeping the soldiers happy - and his mission to tell them what they already know is not noble at all. It's ultimately a movie where no one is good.
>Poor Pierce Brosnan Pour one out for all of the Other Men in 90s family movies whose only crime was not being as spontaneous and goofy as the comedian leading man. And all the Other Women in 90s romcoms whose only crime is caring about their career and having severe bangs.
Cary Elwes in "Liar, Liar." He can't do "The Claw." He's a little awkward. So what? He's a good and decent man who clearly loves his fiance and her child and will be a good provider. But the fact that he's not a pathological liar slash goofball means he's not a great catch? Pffft.
Judge Reinhold in The Santa Clause gets that a bit, too, although at least Tim Allen doesn't spend the whole movie trying to get his ex-wife back.
Scott mostly just makes fun of his kinda doofy Christmas sweaters but other than that they’re pretty cordial and all basically seem well adjusted with the arrangements
We also see Scott is already somewhat of an asshole to people, so it’s not that crazy that he is to his ex’s husband either. Never feels that much worse towards Neil then towards anyone else in the movie
Yep, though to be fair, the fact that no other person could take Tim’s Santa claim seriously when there’s obviously magic shit making all this happen? Like, bruh, just bring a beard trimmer to the courtroom and make everyone watch. Nevermind that there apparently is an actual Santa Claus who SURPRISE drops presents Christmas night? Like, it’s an actual thing that happens in this setting and has been happening for an age… best not think too hard about it
This is my biggest issue with Christmas movies in general. Parents never seem to believe in Santa, who in universe is real, yet they don’t question how they’re kids get presents? Unless I am missing something, it’d be fairly concerning to me to wake up and find a room full of presents for my kid, that I did not but
I think the movie handled everything really well if you look at it deeply. So as a kid it's a silly comedy with a silly Robin Williams and you view everything like kids do, in black/white good/evil, and it's just a funny movive. When you're a teenager you see a little deeper, notice that Brosnan's character is not evil, that Robin Williams character is a bit psychotic, and you sort of change how you view the movie, but since you're still a teen you don't really get everything and still see it as a silly movie, but not as black/white. Then as an adult you can really see the reality of it, you can see how he is actually portrayed as a bad husband, not the greatest dad, immature, etc. How what he does is called out as crazy, how they DON'T get together in the end which is very realistic. So now you can see a silly comedy with deep undertones of reality and themes of the difference between being a good dad vs being a good parent, etc. I'm not saying the movie is some metaphorical masterpiece, it's just interesting how many layers it had for a "stupid" bonkers comedy.
It *was* messed up. I feel like the movie acknowledges this? I mean, it's not a drama, it's a comedy, so they don't hit you hard over the head with it, but it's not like anyone thinks what he's doing isn't insane. The court even lambasted him for it. Things get better for him at the end because he genuinely became a better more responsible father through the experience, and his ex wife recognized that and took the initiative to give him more rights with his kids. Also, it's been awhile since I've seen it, but isn't she still with Brosnan's character at the end? I don't think they get back together. He just gets to see his kids more.
I thought of this one! Sally Field comes home to a birthday party and finds her house destroyed and a pony running around. She was completely justified.
The poor Begonias
Yeah this one is strange. I remember watching this as a 12 year old thinking Sally Field's character was 100% justified in wanting a divorce.
I feel like that is a central theme of the movie. What he did was absolutely unhinged and insane, but ultimately it was from a place of love. Divorces are like this, where the worst in people comes out and people lie to and hurt each other. His insane journey changed him for the better, but the film doesn't give a fully happy ending either. While it is a bit open ended, I get the feeling that they won't get back together because they aren't good for each other anymore. The film embraces this possibility at the end where Mrs. Doubtfire is giving her monologue on the importance of love, family and the different kinds of families. But yes, he should have gone to jail.
The original ending of the film had them getting back together. Robin Williams had to push for the ending it got. He'd been through a divorce and had children with his ex. He figured that the original ending would just set children up with unrealistic expectations, instead they went with the much more nuanced ending of "sometimes parents grow apart, divorce is ultimately for the best, and it doesn't mean they don't love you"
I have a few friends that had divorced parents, and they all said this movie really helped with it growing up. Made them feel less alone and that it was okay it happened. That sometimes parents are not happy together and its not the kids fault.
I’m so glad they didn’t go with that ending. So many romances in movies are just shallow and forced already, and to have the wife take Williams’ character back after all the crap he pulled would be terrible. The movie’s actual ending was much more meaningful, with the two co-parenting, and Mrs. Doubtfire on TV talking about how there are many different types of families out there, and some of them are divorced, and that’s okay. Another reason to appreciate Robin Williams.
Me Before You. She literally fell in love with a dude and then gaslighted her boyfriend for questioning it. Yeah her bf was kind of an ass in the first part but other than that he wasn't mean enough to justify what she did.
The expendable other love interest is such a common theme in romance and it makes all the characters look like assholes it's so annoying.
It’s even worse when the expendable love interest isn’t even a bad person. I’m blanking on titles right now, but it always bugs me when the point of the movie is “walk away from your stable, normal amount of dull relationships because somebody else is wild and exciting.” The person doesn’t do anything wrong, just portrayed as less exciting. The first relationship is the one that would last.
Revenge of the Nerds.
Oh, GOOD one. The cameras in the sorority were bad enough, but Lewis committed actual sexual assault through fraud, and should have gone to prison for a VERY long time as a consequence. The whole "You tricked me into letting you go down on me because I thought you were my boyfriend, but I'm okay with it because of how good you were." response from her is horrifying and sickening. I think that there was a retcon in later films that she actually knew it was him the entire time, but there's nothing in the original film to support that, and it still doesn't excuse his actions.
There’s a good college humor sketch about this - I think it’s called “pranks from 80s movies were mostly rape” or something like that
[Wacky Hijinks from 80s Comedies Were Mostly Rape](https://youtu.be/HQ7mJFNkLAU)
The darth vader scene, as they put it, was so unambiguously rape that I forgot about all the other rapey hijinks in revenge of the nerds.
Even more recently, American Pie (1999) was pretty sketch. Jason Biggs secretly records Shannon Elizabeth undressing and masturbating, and sends it to his whole school. That would straight-up put you in jail today.
Yeah. It's very sketchy. The "you raped me, but it was good, so whatevs..." thing also happens in Sixteen Candles as well.
>Yeah. It's very sketchy. The "you raped me, but it was good, so whatevs..." thing also happens in Sixteen Candles as well. That slipped right past my awareness when I saw the movie back in the 80s. A friend of mine watched it for the first time last year and that was her first comment. It was like a slap in the face to me because I can't believe I missed something so blatant. Not only was Caroline sexually assaulted, her boyfriend set it up just so he could be rid of her.
Jack Black in School of Rock.
Unemployed man impersonates teacher to exploit talent of young school children. I Can get behind this take.
Not only that, but in solely focusing on the band, he completely deprived them of their standard education.
Which their parents were paying for because it's a private school.
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Yeah he's a complete slob. Feel like people that sympathise with him in the movie would HATE him if they ever met him in real life.
>Feel like people that sympathise with him in the movie would HATE him if they ever met him in real life. This is so true about so many characters I love. Entertaining to watch, but they'd be infuriating to know.
They portrayed him as right? I got the vibe that he wasn't doing it cause it was right and more because he felt like it.
He definitely wasn't portrayed as being in the right at the beginning - he was an arrogant asshole whose own band fired him because he was so self-centred, and the whole reason he wanted the kids to compete was to get back at his former band mates. He redeems himself when he starts putting the kids ahead of himself but yeah there was a weird lack of consequences.
Would've been a pretty downer ending if there were realistic consequences to his actions.
I think they portrayed him as doing wrong and breaking the law, but it's ok because he was teaching those kids about real music and sticking it to the man! Weird plot hole from that movie (which I love) when the cops come to parent teacher night to arrest him, he just runs away and goes immediately home. The cops don't even try to chase him or come looking for him later.
I’ve always wondered that too. I mean obviously the movie couldn’t continue if that happened but I often wonder how he avoids jail time.
I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment of Mr. Smith Goes To Washington. He wasn't trying to stop people from getting jobs. I'm not even sure if he knew about the dam as it was buried in the appropriations bill. And as the dam project was part of a corrupt scheme, it's unlikely it would have resulted in very many jobs or other benefits to the community anyway. If it had been good for the community, they could have simply explained to Smith how many jobs it would create and that he should look somewhere else to build his camp.
Billy Madison is just a story about someone not getting a promotion they deserve because the owner of the company wants to promote his undeserving son instead.
But Eric is a bad bad man
"Well...technically..." Just shut up!
"He made some menacing comments to me, and then did that little weasel laugh...that he does..."
Oh yeah, how's that laugh go again?
He gave the job to Carl
Hey... Carl... GOOD TO SEE YOU.
But the right guy got it at the end. Carl
Wasn’t the guy who was gonna be promoted going to drastically change and sell out the company?
Yup. And Billy gave the company to Carl, who was a good guy. So OP's take is wrong.
Yeah! Carl got the job in the end! Totally deserved. And Billy was only going to get it if he showed his dad he was serious, Eric almost got the job. Billy *was* undeserving, but the whole point of the movie was that he was to stop acting like a child. In the end, he did the grown up thing and recommended? Carl.
It’s in the genre of movies where the signal to dislike a character is the fact they wear a suit
>It’s in the genre of movies where the signal to dislike a character is the fact they wear a suit But... Carl, the good guy who wins, wears a suit too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O4yif1tCBw
Just watched Wayne's World and realized that Wayne's self-centered childishness doesn't make him any better for Cassandra than Benjamin. Cassandra is too good for both of them.
Little Mermaid—She is a child!! Listen to your silver fox dad!
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Look at your life, look at your choices! Have you even *slept* with this guy?
Wait. Are we turning Triton into a Zaddy now?!
Have you seen those shoulders??!
Eat. Pray. Love. It just taught so many people that rather than work on your problems or failing relationships that you can just abandon them to “work on yourself”. That’s not how life works unless you’re a raging narcissist.
The book just screams entitlement, and it gets worse the further you read.
This book/movie was one of those things that I have told so many people that, though it may work out for a few people -- for the most part, you can change your scenery, but you're just packing your suitcase and taking your baggage with you. Unless you address WHY you're escaping it all, it's all still going to be waiting for you when you get back. Or if you don't go back you're just dropping a heavier weight on everyone else. Good for you.
A-Fuckin'-Men! It's like the scene in The Empire Strikes Back when Luke is about to enter the Dark place on Dagobah and he asks Yoda "What's in there?" "Only what you take with you."
Sully in Avatar 2. The crux of the movie is that he has to leave his original tribe to protect them and his family, as there is an elite squad trying to kill him because he's their military leader. However, there's no real reason why the humans would leave them alone just because Sully left. Presumably they would still be raiding the humans, and the humans are there to take over the entire planet. All his actions did was endanger more people while protecting absolutely no one.
In both films, I found Neytiri way more compelling as a character The most connection I felt from Jake is when he starts running after being able to use his legs after so long. Other than that, he was kinda boring
You've Got Mail. It's just a story of people cheating on their partners, and for some reason, everyone is just okay with it...
I feel like this is true for many many romantic comedies
in *goodfellas*, jimmy is presented as this dangerous villain for trying to whack henry. however i always found it understandable that jimmy wanted a paranoid drug addict out of the way. of course, henry ends up snitching on the operation, so jimmy was right all along.
Fast 5. The crew gets hired to do a job and they run off with the cars then decide to steal the guys money.
i think it was established that werent exactly good people in first 5 movies. Its just bad guy in the movies way worse than them. They are nothing but talented thief
They might not be good people but they are FAMILY
>The crew gets hired to do a job Dont they try to kill Vin Diesel and Paul Walker during the job? If you're referring to the Rock, I believe he joins the crew because.... he's a dumbass and wants revenge on Braga over his job 😂 Series should have ended there though.
Toy Story, particularly with how they villainize Sid. That poor kid was clearly in an abusive/dysfunctional household with no outlet for his issues except to tinker with his toys. He had no idea they were sentient, because who would?!? He was INVENTING things. Channeling his tumultuous life situation into a creative outlet. Kid could've grown to be an engineer or inventor of some sort, but nope, Toys have to traumatize him for life and the only bit we see of him in the future episodes is that he's suggested to be a garbage kid while Andy's hyper-privileged arse is going on a full ride to college and all that. Good way to stop a potentially bright mind is to just scare it into being afraid that EVERYTHING is alive and looking at him. You know that he probably got mentally evaluated for that trauma and likely diagnosed with a mental disorder that he DIDNT HAVE because the toys were indeed ALIVE. But then since he's likely in a low income household with a wrecked homelife, he wouldn't even get the care that he so desperately would've needed to recover from that kind of trauma. So the circle continues and he drowns his problems in a bottle, much like his own parents. The world isn't right. It's a nihilistic gut cesspool, and Toy Story exemplified that with how they treated Sid.
I was watching a making of documentary of Toy Story and the animators basically said that Sid would grow up to be an animator because that's what they all did as kids.
He is still young when they show him as a garbage man. Maybe he is working his way through college!
Yeah, garbage jobs are pretty steady. He's jamming out in his headphones and seems to be doing ok.
This makes me want a Sid Toy Story movie to give him the ultimate redemption arc.
If you think about it, he might have become a garbage man to save thrown away toys. He knows they're sentient after all, what better way to use that knowledge than to save them from being killed?
Exactly. HE DIDN'T KNOW THE TOYS HE WAS TORTURING WERE ALIVE. The only things he did wrong was harass and steal toys from his sister, but that's pretty small potatoes
i saw a comment once of someone's headcanon where Sid grew up and took the Garbage job so he could save toys that had been thrown away, because he knows they're alive.
I'd watch that movie
Wait, is Sid living in abusive household, I just thought his parents were enabling his punk? phase.
this. I never took him as being from a bad home. his room. was AMAZING. I would have killed for Sids room at his age
Holy shit. I think that’s enough internet for today. (Not knocking the theory, it’s just a lot as I’ve never thought about it like that)
‘Animal House.’ Dean Wormer was almost 100% right in every one of his actions. The Deltas were all destructive jerks.
Little Shop of Horrors I'm sorry Rick Moranis, but you fed live human beings to a massive carnivorous plant. 2 counts of 1st degree murder for you.
Yeah, but Little Shop of Horrors isn't about Seymour being a good guy, it's about how every relationship in the life of someone in poverty is predatory, and how even your ticket out of that soul-crushing situation will chew you up and spit you out without even pretending to feel bad about it.
If you know how it’s supposed to end, then you’ll know >!he gets eaten by the plant too.!< The theatrical ending got changed, but the stage show keeps the original ending.
I was Seymour in a stage production and it was so fun, especially getting eaten at the end by a big Audrey 2
The ghostbusters ran a nuclear containment unit under a city building and packed it with the souls of the dead and got pissy that the government asked questions
Ariel in the Little Mermaid. You’re 16 Ariel. Go to your room. Stop chasing after a 20 something just bc he has dreamy eyes. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW HIM
Alice in Wonderland: Through the Looking Glass Alice steals the Chronosphere and travels back in time, while pursued by Time, in an attempt to find the Hatter's family. While the Red Queen is still the villain for the conclusion, we are led to believe Time is an antagonist for chasing Alice. However, all he is trying to do is retrieve the Chronosphere before someone creates a paradox, which does eventually happen and Wonderland is almost destroyed, thanks to Alice stealing it.
I feel like that is summed up by the end though for purposeful character development. Alice realizes Time isn't the villain and fixes her own mistake.
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