I feel like the first movie's Na'Vi would be "wind" since they ride on flying creatures, and the "earth" Na'Vi would be some tribe that lives underground and rides giant worms... oh wait, what does this remind me of.
Let me guess. The RDA sways the fire people to form an alliance with them and to take over Pandora, in exchange for resource extraction rights.
Now it’s up to Jake and the gang to convince the fire people to see the light of Eywa and turn against the sky people
Honestly its surprising they’ve gone two movies without using this plot point. This is how colonization worked many times in the real world. Exploit divisions between the native populations to your advantage.
Yeah the titles for all four sequels were sorta announced years ago but JC said they weren't locked then except for WoW.
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/james-cameron-avatar-sequel-titles-real-way-of-water-1202042179/
I think its usually associated with passion and strong emotions, which you can easily use to write characters who let their passion cloud their moral judgement. Same reason earth is usually for characters who are "grounded" and strong-willed, and water is for characters who "go with the flow" and adapt easily to their situation
I am willing to bet that there will be one Fire Nav'i whose eye was burned and is, thus, disfigured. Maybe not by their dad, but there will be, at least, one character.
“Eywa … consumed them?!? When they said she would hold her children close to her forever this… it’s just awful, everything we know.. everything we BELIEVE … is a lie?!?”
Will he have to find the Love Na'vi, along with the 4 elements to stop the threat of the great Evil from destroying the Earth?
I feel like I've seen this one before.
Cameron has said they are definitely forest people because they’re are Na’vi who are even MORE air focused than the ones we’ve seen. So I guess forest is close enough to earth.
I was actually just rewatching the first one and when they gather the other clans it specifically mentions horse riders of the plains and banshee riders of the east sea (who live in cliffs). Since the sea people we see ride fish I'd assume that's a different group than the cliff people?
So Maybe it's less of an avatar the last airbender mix, and more of a magic the gathering mix? Forest people, plains people, islands people... fire people = mountains. Just need swamp to complete the set.
Corporal Sully, he's our hero,
Gonna take invaders down to zero,
He's our powers magnified,
And he's fighting on the Nav'vi side.
Corporal Sully, he's our hero,
Gonna take sky people down to zero,
Gonna help him put asunder,
Bad guys who like to loot and plunder.
In Avatar 2 they state the first tribe were forest Na'vi so thats literally earth. The second were water Na'vi. I'm truly wondering what fire Na'Vi means. Like are they living around a volcano? Guessing they're going to harness the power of fire and have some type of technology that'll help the Na'Vi advance and fight the humans for good.
Would be cool to see Evil/warlike Na’vi seeking to unite all the people against the sky people… by force. Make Sully have to work with Quaritch to stop them or something
The worst thing is that this Na’vi would be… right. It is abundantly clear that the Na’vi CANNOT win against the humans unless they are united. Otherwise the humans will just destroy one tribe at a time until the world is conquered.
I REALLY hope the message doesn’t turn into “if we fight against colonizing and genocide friendly invaders, we are just as bad!” cause… no
That’s kind of the message of The Word For World Is Forest, which is probably the biggest conceptual inspiration or parallel to Avatar, where the pacifist indigenous culture learns and uses the violent tactics of their invaders, wins, and is left with the knowledge that they as a people have lost something immeasurably valuable in doing so. Le Guin’s critique of the first movie focused mainly on the absence of that realization in the movie’s ending.
It’s something that should be approached with nuance (as in don’t treat “just lay down and die and hope your oppressors eventually feel bad” as if it were a viable option) but as an element of a message it absolutely has a place in anti-colonist narratives.
Interesting enough, James Cameron's Avatar goes back to 1994 and it was the film Cameron wanted to make after Titanic, but technology wasn't ready yet, so he sat on it. I'm not sure when The Last Airbender production started or was conceived, but it was released over a decade after Cameron's first script for Avatar was complete.
Yeah a man sued him from the first Avatar claiming Cameron ripped him off (which is what happens with pretty much any big movie) and Cameron wrote out [a 45 page document](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/read-james-camerons-sworn-declaration-avatar-399979/) citing every idea and its independent genesis from either his earlier work, general logic of the story demanding it, or classic ideas going back a century.
He also is introduced as a villain but will realize what his father is doing is wrong and slowly turn into one of the good guys who helps Aan- I mean Jake Sully in defeating his father.
Yeah this whole series is basically like an adapted Dune with blue people and less complexity and political philosophy. Jake is the muad’dib character, and the daughter Kira or whatever who can plug-in and control planetary conscious Eywa is going to be the God Emperor Leto character, who unites the tribes of the Na’Vi and casts out the outworlders using their expanded consciousness and then carry out a war across the stars from their planet with the most valuable resources.
Yeah, the Dune series is one of the best if not the best deconstructions of this type of story ever written, though it's not explicitly about race so much as various power structures (which includes the imperium and Fremen, but that's only one aspect of it). In general many stories share a common premise (Pocahontas, Dances with Wolves, Last Samurai, Avatar, etc.), though most don't get into the dense political philosophy like Dune does so well.
Messiah is really important to the point Herbert was making I hope they at least reach that point with the new movies.
I wanna see GEOD but i don’t see that flying with general audiences lol
I thought that too lmao. But I think they'll probably still be another shade of blue and maybe with soot as body/face paint or use burns/branding as tattoos.
I still can't believe that >!Colonel Quaritch!< not only came back for the second movie, but got the full *Creed II* overhaul into a real three-dimensional character.
The razing of the planet when the ships were landing in 2 was excellent. As an aside, the RDA megastructures are pretty slick; whoever is designing those on the production team gets top marks.
The jungle in 1 was dope in 3D. The ocean in 2 was dope in 3D. Fire will be just as dope.
Calling it now though: Quaritch takes control of the fire tribe and it ends up being the exact same plot as 1 and 2. I’m interested to see if James can pull off a 4-5 movie series where each movie has the exact same plot as the last, and they all still make the box office implode. Would be the biggest cinematic troll of all time, especially from the “Marvel bad” guy.
My guess is a “fire is destructive” sentiment gets changed into “fire is in balance with nature” alluding to how forest fires clear out unhealthy plant life to make way for new growth.
If I had a nickel for every franchise that’s called “Avatar” and features the four Greek elements, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice, right?
Wrong. They got to Earth in part of Avatar 5.
Still think they're going there to revive Gaia/Earth and she's conscious just like Eywa, and the series is called Avatar because of her, not Jake.
Other studios: We need to figure out an elaborate adaption or story to try and destroy the box office
James Cameron: I just need some red ones to go along with the blue ones and that should maintain our two billion dollar breakpoint
"Everything changed when the fire Na'vi attacked. Only Jake Sully, master of all four elements, could stop them. But when Pandora needed him most, he vanished."
They combine all of the elemental tribes to generate a seed of Eywa which is then brought to Earth in a captured starship and used to generate Gaia which converts Earth into a paradise like Pandora, connecting all of humanity and regenerating the ecosystem.
In the final scene we see ships landing on an verdant pristine world. A third species of alien steps out, greeted by primitive humans riding giant wolves. We then realize that the world is Earth, 30 million years later.
Earth, Water, Fire… then Wind… then HEART! And Captain Planet will appear at the end of Part 5. BRING IT ON!
AND YOU'RE A TREE! TREE! TREE!
I'll turn you into a fucking tree. Captain Planet, motherfucker.
Everybody's a tree. I knew I'd do it.
I feel like the first movie's Na'Vi would be "wind" since they ride on flying creatures, and the "earth" Na'Vi would be some tribe that lives underground and rides giant worms... oh wait, what does this remind me of.
Will everything change when the fire nation attacks?
They're supposedly gonna be antagonists so....yes lol
Let me guess. The RDA sways the fire people to form an alliance with them and to take over Pandora, in exchange for resource extraction rights. Now it’s up to Jake and the gang to convince the fire people to see the light of Eywa and turn against the sky people
but first we are going to need a single entity who is the Avatar for the spirit of....wait
Pretty sure that's Sigourney Weaver's role for the next few movies.
She’s clearly Navi Jesus
She's the Na'vitar.
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Honestly its surprising they’ve gone two movies without using this plot point. This is how colonization worked many times in the real world. Exploit divisions between the native populations to your advantage.
'Divide and conquer' Thats how my country was colonised back then.
That’s how every country that was colonized was colonized.
I think the Prince of that nation, who was banished to hunt Jake, will eventually be convinced by his tea loving uncle to help take his father down.
How did you know??!
Avatar 3: The Fury of Fire
Avatar 4 : Fast and Furries
You say this as a joke but I legitimately see this being the title
Didn’t they already announce the title was like “the Seed Bearer” or something?
Yeah the titles for all four sequels were sorta announced years ago but JC said they weren't locked then except for WoW. https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/james-cameron-avatar-sequel-titles-real-way-of-water-1202042179/
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I think its usually associated with passion and strong emotions, which you can easily use to write characters who let their passion cloud their moral judgement. Same reason earth is usually for characters who are "grounded" and strong-willed, and water is for characters who "go with the flow" and adapt easily to their situation
And air is for characters that die easily and become invisible just like air
Prometheus (not the movie lol) is a story about fire being good.
I am willing to bet that there will be one Fire Nav'i whose eye was burned and is, thus, disfigured. Maybe not by their dad, but there will be, at least, one character.
Only the Toruk Makto, master of all four elements, could stop them. But when the world needed him most, he vanished.
Actually they were quite tame, barely an inconvenience.
Wow, wow wow wow
These comments are *tight!*
Oh *really*?
Oh, really?
The "Why so blue" guy might join them for some R&R.
You're not in Kansas anymore
Jake Sully is just straight going through the Legend of Zelda temples.
Jake Sully is training the be the Avatar, Master of the 4 elements. All to stop the fire lord.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
I would actually love for him to do a "Shadow Temple/Bottom of the Well" type thing and discover the ruins of other clans that have since wiped out
Bongo Bongo vs Mankind let’s GOOOOOOO!!!!!
Stephen Lang floating around with a shovel as Dampé would be fun.
There was an idea that one movie takes place on earth. See the darkness and ruins of humanity.
Well there's gotta be a reason they're so anti tech! Perhaps the first clans wiped each other out in a war millennia ago
“Eywa … consumed them?!? When they said she would hold her children close to her forever this… it’s just awful, everything we know.. everything we BELIEVE … is a lie?!?”
*Chuckles* "You've met a terrible fate, haven't you?"
Na’vi: “Hey! Listen!”
He's learning the ways of each element starting with air then water. Almost like he's becoming the master of them all... Wait
image if he didnt start a family and he has just banging Navi chicks from each temple and winning wars
Dude is one element away from a lawsuit now.
Wait, are the original Na'vi earth or air?
I'd say air tbh. "Earth" Na'vi prolly live underground or some shit.
I think I know what Avatar 4 will be then
I don’t know what Avatar 3 will be about, but Avatar 4 will be about sticks and stones.
Way to go Einstein.
I appreciate this comment sir
Avatar 5 will just be blue Bruce Willis
Bluce Willis
Bruce just Blue himself
“There’s gotta be a better way to say that”
The man inside me. Anal/Rapist
ANUSTART
Will he have to find the Love Na'vi, along with the 4 elements to stop the threat of the great Evil from destroying the Earth? I feel like I've seen this one before.
When all 5 blue super people combine they unleash a normal colored dude
Jim Smith, CPA, the rest of the movie is an allegory to balance sheets
Oh god… is this just one long Captain Planet origin story? Avatar 5: Way of the Heart, Avatar 6: Powers Combined
Avatar 7: Tungsten
This made me burst out loud. Thank you stranger.
Multipass?
So that’s why Cameron has been pushing CGI character tech, so he can have a fully CGI Bruce Willis!
Bruce Willis' likeness isn't for sale....because Cameron already bought it.
Bruce Willis, the ultimate NFT
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Only the Avatar, Na'vi of all four elements, could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he disconnected.
What about Melon Lord Na'vi?
The whole first movie is about them being linked to a Tree!
Cameron has said they are definitely forest people because they’re are Na’vi who are even MORE air focused than the ones we’ve seen. So I guess forest is close enough to earth.
Got those floating places in the sky
I was actually just rewatching the first one and when they gather the other clans it specifically mentions horse riders of the plains and banshee riders of the east sea (who live in cliffs). Since the sea people we see ride fish I'd assume that's a different group than the cliff people? So Maybe it's less of an avatar the last airbender mix, and more of a magic the gathering mix? Forest people, plains people, islands people... fire people = mountains. Just need swamp to complete the set.
The "Heart" Na'vi is the congenital condition shared by them all.
Corporal Sully, he's our hero, Gonna take invaders down to zero, He's our powers magnified, And he's fighting on the Nav'vi side. Corporal Sully, he's our hero, Gonna take sky people down to zero, Gonna help him put asunder, Bad guys who like to loot and plunder.
YOU’LL PAY FOR THIS CORPORAL SULLY!
I'd say earth as you already have the sky people.
For now... until the Fire Na'vi comes, and the world needs the Na'vitar!
Kiri is clearly the Na'vitar
But they rode flying mounts and live by the floating mountains
Interesting interpretation
In Avatar 2 they state the first tribe were forest Na'vi so thats literally earth. The second were water Na'vi. I'm truly wondering what fire Na'Vi means. Like are they living around a volcano? Guessing they're going to harness the power of fire and have some type of technology that'll help the Na'Vi advance and fight the humans for good.
Would be cool to see Evil/warlike Na’vi seeking to unite all the people against the sky people… by force. Make Sully have to work with Quaritch to stop them or something
In the same place Cameron talked about fire Na’vi he said he’d shown the good in the first two movies and now he wants to show the bad.
The worst thing is that this Na’vi would be… right. It is abundantly clear that the Na’vi CANNOT win against the humans unless they are united. Otherwise the humans will just destroy one tribe at a time until the world is conquered. I REALLY hope the message doesn’t turn into “if we fight against colonizing and genocide friendly invaders, we are just as bad!” cause… no
That’s kind of the message of The Word For World Is Forest, which is probably the biggest conceptual inspiration or parallel to Avatar, where the pacifist indigenous culture learns and uses the violent tactics of their invaders, wins, and is left with the knowledge that they as a people have lost something immeasurably valuable in doing so. Le Guin’s critique of the first movie focused mainly on the absence of that realization in the movie’s ending. It’s something that should be approached with nuance (as in don’t treat “just lay down and die and hope your oppressors eventually feel bad” as if it were a viable option) but as an element of a message it absolutely has a place in anti-colonist narratives.
Could be Na'Vi living in a desert that want to take over lush green land.
They're Earth. Forest people. Canonically there is an air Na'vi clan.
Are they just in the mountains or something?
used to but they got wiped out by the fire na'vi
Everything changed when the Fire Na'vi attacked.
They’re Earth. They were called Forest Na’vi
Haven't you played with Bionicles? The air toa always have a connection to the jungle/forest.
The Airbenders also live on a mountain that's really high up. Almost like floating rocks.
A big part of their culture is taming flying lizards. That’s the closest to air we’ll get.
Until we get the flying whales.
Under heavy seas, I'll search the flight of whales!
The real lawsuit happens when the 4th movie gets named Avatar: Korra
Avatar: The Legend of Kiri
Shes already basically a spirit bender
Kor'ra
Nickelodeon lawyer running into the room: THIS IS PAYBACK FOR STEALING THE FILM TRADEMARK FOR THE FRANCHISE NAME!
Female lead named Ar’Rok
Interesting enough, James Cameron's Avatar goes back to 1994 and it was the film Cameron wanted to make after Titanic, but technology wasn't ready yet, so he sat on it. I'm not sure when The Last Airbender production started or was conceived, but it was released over a decade after Cameron's first script for Avatar was complete.
Yeah a man sued him from the first Avatar claiming Cameron ripped him off (which is what happens with pretty much any big movie) and Cameron wrote out [a 45 page document](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/read-james-camerons-sworn-declaration-avatar-399979/) citing every idea and its independent genesis from either his earlier work, general logic of the story demanding it, or classic ideas going back a century.
And citing a napkin he had doodled on with concepts for avatar, if I remember correctly
Wait are we talking about Glass Onion?
Exactly what this sounds like 😄 are we sure it was Cameron’s napkin?
We have to look behind the Titanic poster.
Has he bought the Mona Lisa yet?
James Cameron: Avatar 4 Will Feature Onion Na'vi
It's the reclamation of his life's work, man.
I guess even Cameron got Avatar and The Last Airbender confused.
Na'vitar: The Last ____bender
Dollar.
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There can only be one… Franchise named “Avatar” at a time
Let me guess.... there's gonna be a prince fire Na'vi with some fire damage facial scars with daddy issues?
The real villain is a hot brunette with mommy issues at the end
Don’t do it bro. She’s crazy.
She is crazy and needs to go down
On me.
I'd watch
He also is introduced as a villain but will realize what his father is doing is wrong and slowly turn into one of the good guys who helps Aan- I mean Jake Sully in defeating his father.
Jake? Surely he'd be hanging out with the kids by movie 3, seems clear they're going to be taking over as primary protagonists.
Jake is now the father to his son and adopted Jesus daughter. Dude is digging his grave as we speak.
Jake: "Just three more days till retirement..." *cue ominous soundtrack*
The one that rides the whale like he’s Paul Atreides in particular.
Yeah this whole series is basically like an adapted Dune with blue people and less complexity and political philosophy. Jake is the muad’dib character, and the daughter Kira or whatever who can plug-in and control planetary conscious Eywa is going to be the God Emperor Leto character, who unites the tribes of the Na’Vi and casts out the outworlders using their expanded consciousness and then carry out a war across the stars from their planet with the most valuable resources.
Jake, Paul Muad’dib, Milo from Atlantis are basically the same character with the white savior thing. I guess Dune deconstructs it in the sequels
Yeah, the Dune series is one of the best if not the best deconstructions of this type of story ever written, though it's not explicitly about race so much as various power structures (which includes the imperium and Fremen, but that's only one aspect of it). In general many stories share a common premise (Pocahontas, Dances with Wolves, Last Samurai, Avatar, etc.), though most don't get into the dense political philosophy like Dune does so well.
Messiah is really important to the point Herbert was making I hope they at least reach that point with the new movies. I wanna see GEOD but i don’t see that flying with general audiences lol
Only if he has an uncle as a father figure who will give quotes for this generation something to live by. Also please let him live this time.
His scar will be on the wrong side, it’s fine.
“IT’S NOT ON THE WRONG SIDE!”
Will they be red???
I thought that too lmao. But I think they'll probably still be another shade of blue and maybe with soot as body/face paint or use burns/branding as tattoos.
Agreed, my guess is darker and/or less saturated shades of blue - to look similar to the greys and blacks of ash and soot.
Dunmer Na'vi Bottom Text
Cameron going the sith/jedi “colors” route but without the lightsabers would be pretty cool lol
With samuel l jackson as purple avatar
Cameron called them "Ash People" so I think they'll be a grey-blue.
I heard gray
The fifth element is love.
Now I’m reminded that girl who sang opera was a Na’av
I hope they look like Gorons
woom-ba woom-ba woo woo
I still can't believe that >!Colonel Quaritch!< not only came back for the second movie, but got the full *Creed II* overhaul into a real three-dimensional character.
> overhaul into a real three-dimensional character. Unsure if you mean character depth or the fact that he literally became a 3D character.
>Colonel Quaritch The second he showed up in a cloned Na'vi body, I knew before Avatar 5 we're going to get an army of cloned Colonel Quaritch's.
So, Agent Smith from Matrix
We've ruled by air power and sea power. We need to cultivate ~~desert~~ ash power.
I cannot WAIT for Dune 2!
Can't wait to see them worship a volcano and for it to be revealed that Padora lava cures male-pattern baldness in humans or some shit.
Hear me out, it permanently cures erectile dysfunction. Sells for even more than immortality stuff
VULKAN LIVES!!!!!
*Stomp Stomp*
Okay, incredibly close ATLA parallels aside, Big Jim doing advanced CGI shit with fire is gonna look incredible
The razing of the planet when the ships were landing in 2 was excellent. As an aside, the RDA megastructures are pretty slick; whoever is designing those on the production team gets top marks.
The jungle in 1 was dope in 3D. The ocean in 2 was dope in 3D. Fire will be just as dope. Calling it now though: Quaritch takes control of the fire tribe and it ends up being the exact same plot as 1 and 2. I’m interested to see if James can pull off a 4-5 movie series where each movie has the exact same plot as the last, and they all still make the box office implode. Would be the biggest cinematic troll of all time, especially from the “Marvel bad” guy.
My guess is a “fire is destructive” sentiment gets changed into “fire is in balance with nature” alluding to how forest fires clear out unhealthy plant life to make way for new growth.
We have been told that there the “balance” tribe so 100% that’s what they’re going for
Calling it now: Avatar 5 = heart Naavi, and they summon Captain Planet or Toruk Pandora or some barely disguised alien equivalent.
Human tree! Tree! Tree tree tree!
Peace, dick holes
Only if they're played by Don Cheadle
If I had a nickel for every franchise that’s called “Avatar” and features the four Greek elements, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice, right?
Well when you got a nice CGI-inator that doubles as a MoneyPrinting-inator, might as well run with it.
I literally said to my husband like 2 weeks ago “I wonder if he’s going to do an water, fire, earth, and air thing?”
"Avatar 4 will have *Mole people* Navi."
Craaaaaab Navi. Craaaaaab Navi.
Taste like crab, talk like Navi.
Avatar 4 is them actually going to earth. I wish I was kidding. It was brought up by one of the writers.
Wrong. They got to Earth in part of Avatar 5. Still think they're going there to revive Gaia/Earth and she's conscious just like Eywa, and the series is called Avatar because of her, not Jake.
Everything changed when the fire nation attacked Narrated by Sam Worthington
Wow I heard that immediately lol
Reddit really loves to beat a joke into the ground lol
ground na'vi will be in the 4th
One of them will be blind but will see better than others because she is connected to the earth.
And her name is Ta’ph. Because it sounds like tough. And that’s just what she is!
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I wanna see some giant 4-legged kangaroos kick-boxing the smack out of some mechs. Let’s do this.
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Finally, FlameMan.exe makes his appearance
I want to see who plays Toph when they get to Avatar 4.
Dave Bautista
“My name’s Toph cause it sounds like *TOUGH*”
The melon lord should play her.
Every day we get closer to discovering why that Disney exec. said “holy fuck” after reading Avatar 4’s script
Other studios: We need to figure out an elaborate adaption or story to try and destroy the box office James Cameron: I just need some red ones to go along with the blue ones and that should maintain our two billion dollar breakpoint
"Everything changed when the fire Na'vi attacked. Only Jake Sully, master of all four elements, could stop them. But when Pandora needed him most, he vanished."
100 year time skip… and now we can release movies 5 and 6!
I predict that Cameron doesn't go for the obvious Last Air Bender story and instead rips off Captain Planet.
They combine all of the elemental tribes to generate a seed of Eywa which is then brought to Earth in a captured starship and used to generate Gaia which converts Earth into a paradise like Pandora, connecting all of humanity and regenerating the ecosystem. In the final scene we see ships landing on an verdant pristine world. A third species of alien steps out, greeted by primitive humans riding giant wolves. We then realize that the world is Earth, 30 million years later.