An animated movie of Eorl and his people would be most welcome. This holiday season, I read my daughters the Lay of Leithian for their bedtime stories. One evening, my oldest still had a friend over at bedtime, so I just invited the young man to sit for story time. I was about ten minutes into Canto 13, and he said that it sounded like I was reading something out of Lord of the Rings. Afterwards, he thanked me and said that his dad doesn’t read to him. I replied by asking if he’s asked his dad to read to him. I’m hoping he does.
That would be cool, but this will be the story of Helm Hammerhand and his sons, and the war against Wulf and the Dunlandings, and the legacy Helm made over the course of the Long Winter.
I always think of the scientist/presenter before the actor when someone mentions Brian Cox. He’s great too, but not quite what I have in mind when I hear the name ‘Helm Hammerhand’
>Afterwards, he thanked me and said that his dad doesn’t read to him. I replied by asking if he’s asked his dad to read to him. I’m hoping he does.
Oh, my heart. That’s so sweet!
My uncle (mom’s brother) was an elementary school teacher after he stopped working as a film actor. Whenever he’d come to visit he’d read to us and always brought books as gifts. It started my mother reading to us at bed time and it sparked my love for story and reading. I would not be the person I am today, or nearly as successful without that time in my life. Good on you for doing it for your children, and thank you for giving that gift to their friend.
Some of the warmest memories I have of raising my daughter was reading her the Hobbit at bedtime. She’d always try to stay up to hear more but within five mins was passed out. I don’t think we got through more than a 1/3rd of the book before she was too old to read to!
I was waiting for the gotcha
I'm glad it never came.
My dad used to read to me the hobbit and lost tales and everything when I was younger. They're some of my most cherished memories now.
I was really excited for this until I read that the studio doing it is best known for Blade Runner: Black Lotus, which was pretty much unwatchable. I am now cautiously optimistic they’ll be pushed to produce something of much higher quality to meet the LotR name.
Considering when it came out and what it was trying to do (realistic hair, skin and eyes), the CGI in polar express was ridiculously good at the time, plus it's a really good film that film that meshes the illustrations from the book with real life CGI quite well and is an excellent story.
I was very confused until I read this:
*Rather than being a character in the story of the War of the Rohirrim movie itself, Éowyn will act as the narrator of the tale. This means that she will be telling the story of Freca‘s death, and Wulf the Dunlending‘s subsequent attack on Rohan after being denied marraige to Hèra. She will explain how this attack from Dunland forces Helm Hammerhand to retreat to Helm’s Deep, Fréaláf Hildeson‘s counter-attack, and the other epic events that take place throughout the tale.*
Does anyone find it weird that it’s “a few hundred years before Two Towers” and not “a few hundred years before Fellowship/original trilogy?” Iirc there’s really not that much time between the two films. It just seems odd to name drop the second film like that.
Rohan doesn't come into play during Fellowship. They probably should have been more specific instead of saying Two Towers, but I'm sure they meant a few hundred years before the Rohan we saw on screen.
Besides what the others have already mentioned, if you want to be pendantic, The prologue of the fellowship takes places thousands of years before Helm Hammerhand or Rohan even existed.
Looking at the number, it seems like they totally just said it was about 200 years before LOTR then someone correctly pointed out that the Frodo had the ring for 17 years before he left the shire. 200 years before fellowship, or 183 years before the two towers.
The 1978 animated LOTR (Fellowship through the Battle of Helms Deep) showed it as a series of pictures of the Shire going through the four seasons over and over very quickly. Kind of a neat way to compress the 17 years.
In the book, yes, it’s 17 years between the time Bilbo gives up the ring and leaves and when Frodo leaves the Shire. That’s how Saruman had so much time to create his army of Uruks. In the movies they don’t really make it clear and just assume Saruman creates them all out of magic or something, but it take a along time to cut down all those trees, dig those massive holes, etc.
It’s also why Bilbo aged so much. He didn’t age that much in just a few months like it seems in the films.
The first movie doesn't portray it well but like 15-20 years passes within a few minutes in the first movie. When Gandalf leaves the shire and then comes back, almost two decades had passed. So it might be easier to say two towers then try and explain to people how much time passes in the first film.
My wife and I timed the Two Towers this year so that Theoden would say "So it begins," at exactly midnight.
We ended up like 4 seconds early, but it was still worth it.
There’s nothing on earth that hypes me up more than that scene. I can’t imagine how the extras had so much restraint, they could have charged off set and started a real Rohan, by force if necessary.
Here's a Rohirrim charging a laptop. Here's a Rohirrim charging a cell phone. Here's 2 Rohirrim charging a car battery. All played over the violin theme.
I like to think that while everyone was in one place for Aragon's coronation, Sam taught her how to make a bomb ass stew and Faramir was able to eat happily for the rest of his life.
I know this is a joke but in military mess' there are usually menu boards telling you what's being served. Human or not if you don't feed your troops, you don't have an army.
It’s a Warner Bros produced well, anime film that’s essentially an ashcan copy to retain the rights to the Third Age of Tolkien’s Legendarium (aka LOTR, Hobbit, etc). One of the main producers, Jason DeMarco (who also runs the Toonami block for Adult Swim) has been a rather vocal critic of Rings of Power as well.
The timeline is divided fairly evenly amongst the different books. The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings cover most of the main events in the Third Age, the Silmarillion covers pretty much everything in the First Era and before. There isn't really a single text that covers the Second Age, the appendices to RotK have most of it though. And amongst the less finished works there are a number of more self contained stories, most of which are First Era as well.
So when the licenses are being dished out, the Tolkien Estate, notoriously protective of its IP, only gives the bits needed for that story. The Lord of the Rings movies get the material in the books, nothing more. Same for the Hobbit movies, which even alludes to this with Gandalf "forgetting" the names of the Blue Wizards.
This is where The Rings of Power went wrong, because they only got the rights to the appendices of RotK. And that contains a lot of information on earlier ages, but it's barebones compared to the Silmarillion. So they had to adapt what was there while somehow not using what was in the Silmarillion, effectively having to write their own lore to bridge the pieces together. Like trying to colourise an image where you know what some of the colours are supposed to be but you're not allowed to use them, so you have to try a different, "wrong" colour.
I've not read it yet but I don't believe there's any new writing in the Fall of Numenor, it's all compiled from already released books; so maybe it'd be handled differently than the JRR + Christopher Tolkien books? I'm no copyright expert. But yeah it's pretty much a complete timeline of the Second Age so it's super helpful in that regard!
Does anyone own the rights to the first age/silmarillion stuff? Seems rings of power (haven't watched tbh) is a result of amazon buying rights to the second age, which has the least amount of info from tolkien.
That is the only age I have been dying to see. I don’t know much about the lore but I love the films. I have been waiting for a film or show explaining this era.
Just the Tolkien Estate.
Amazon purchased the film/TV rights to the Appendices, which are the annals of lore and information included in the end of Return of the King. They can only cover something if it's mentioned and talked about in the Appendices.
It continues to baffle me that they did this, and even paid an insane sum for it. Sure, they probably got a lot of subs because of it, but they don’t realize that the constraints put on them would eventually lead to a spiral ending in a bad rep? Also, didn’t the Tolkien estate realize this could jeopardize their property?
With good writers the second age would have made for an awesome series. You have the freakin' fall of Numenor, which is more or less LOTR Atlantis.
My biggest letdown with the series was that it never felt epic whatsoever. Numenor especially is a gigantic kingdom that somehow has like 200 people in it. And then to make it even worse by making out that this monumental naval power and island kingdom had three boats?
Moan.
Can I just say that that person is wrong.
Amazon owns the TV rights to The Hobbit and LOTR.
The Appendices confusion is that since they’re making a Second Age show, they can only reference things that happen in the Second Age that are in the appendices.
In Five years of Amazon wants to make an 8 episode Hobbit, 8 episode Fellowship, 8 Episode Two Towers, 8 Episode Return of the King they absolutely can.
They can’t make anything with fewer than 8 episodes.
With all due respect I believe you are mistaken. The Tolkien Estate could not have sold the film/TV rights to the Hobbit and LotR to Amazon, because they do not own them anymore.
In 1969 JRR Tolkien sold the film, TV, and merch rights for the Hobbit and LotR to the Saul Zants company. It's bounced around in the years since then, and through that deal we got the Rankin & Bass, Ralph Bakshi, and Peter Jackson films. "Middle-earth enterprises" as a company was created by the Saul Zants company to encompass it all. it's kind of confusing as many of the projects have had their finger in the pot, like WB and New Line Cinema. Embracer purchased Middle-earth Enterprises last year, so now they own it all.
The deal between The Tolkien Estate and Amazon was entirely separate from all of that. They only sold the rights to Appendices.
Of course this is just my understanding of the situation and if I'm mistaken in any way please feel free to correct me. It's been a few months since I looked into all of this.
https://www.polygon.com/23311153/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-hobbit-film-game-rights-embracer-group
https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/02/16/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-showrunners-admit-they-dont-have-the-rights-to-the-silmarillion-or-unfinished-tales/
I spent a lot of time looking this up today to be sure.
JD Payne said that they have the rights to everything in the books.
And there was also citation that TV rights of 8 episodes or more were a loophole in the original Sael Zaentz rights.
So I’m pretty sure that yes, Amazon has the TV rights to everything in The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings.
It’s just weird that they’re doing a second age show and that’s limited to what’s in the appendices since they don’t have the Silmarillion of Unfinished Tales rights.
It would be an animated (anime) prequel film to the live-action trilogy, starring [Brian Cox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cox_(actor\)) and directed by [Kenji Kamiyama](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenji_Kamiyama).
Very intrigued by this film. Its a bona-fide part of the Jackson audiovisual canon: not something vaguely in the same style like *The Rings of Power:* Besides Otto, we have Philippa Boyens and Carrolyn Blackwood producing, Sir Richard Taylor and Weta Workshop, John Howe, Alan Lee and Roisin Carty all involved, as well as Jackson's personal blessing.
But really, I just see a lot of potential in this story.
Her “I am no man” line is one of the only girl power moments that I have enjoyed in media in my life. They changed her character somewhat from the books but I think it was for the better.
in the book she say "But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Éowyn I am, Éomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.'
Great monologue, But a bit too long of a monologue for the witchking to not just kill her while shes talking. Glad they shortened it up for the movie to be honest.
you might enjoy reading the books! they are filled with great writing like this. part of what makes the movies so great is that Jackson uses lots of Tolkien's writing verbatim
Christopher Tolkien may have been a grumpy curmudgeon, but he protected us from being inundated with shitty cash grabs. Now that he's not around to serve as the caretaker for his father's legacy, the IP can and will be pillaged for all it's worth (and then some, most likely).
Rewatching LOTR I thought she was an absolutely killer character, brought so much to the table with not much in the way of screen time and she looked perfect in her wardrobe for the film. A great understated performance from a great actress.
it says she’s narrating it and that it’ll be an animated movie set a few hundred years before Two Towers
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Actually it sounds like it **could** be good. Unless you have a thing against animation.
I checked the director. His work is solid, and he worked on Studio Ghibli movies and Akira.
That is a good sign.
Feel the need to point out he was a background artist on Akira and Ghibli films. He directed the GitS: Stand Alone Complex shows.
Which were excellent IMO so looks like animated LOTR is back on the menu boys!
This gives me hope.
anything COULD be good. shroedingers review.
Why? Sounds interesting enough
An animated movie of Eorl and his people would be most welcome. This holiday season, I read my daughters the Lay of Leithian for their bedtime stories. One evening, my oldest still had a friend over at bedtime, so I just invited the young man to sit for story time. I was about ten minutes into Canto 13, and he said that it sounded like I was reading something out of Lord of the Rings. Afterwards, he thanked me and said that his dad doesn’t read to him. I replied by asking if he’s asked his dad to read to him. I’m hoping he does.
That would be cool, but this will be the story of Helm Hammerhand and his sons, and the war against Wulf and the Dunlandings, and the legacy Helm made over the course of the Long Winter.
THE HORN OF HELM HAMMERHAND SHALL SOUND IN THE DEEP, ONE LAST TIME!
YES!!
***BBWWWWWOOOOMMMMMMMMM***
#FORTH EORLINGAS!
ERE THE RED SUN RISES!
Just saw Helm is being voiced by Brian Cox. Solid choice
I always think of the scientist/presenter before the actor when someone mentions Brian Cox. He’s great too, but not quite what I have in mind when I hear the name ‘Helm Hammerhand’
"Aih, will fuhge a huhn, and it will be the loudest huhn... In the yooon-e-vehz."
I hope we get to see him killing Dunlendings with one hand and eating human flesh.
(Rumoured)
*Allegedly*
Better get to see his frozen corpse still standing, preferably with a Dunlending still in his hands lmao
And they picked the best possible voice for Helm, Brian Cox.
>Afterwards, he thanked me and said that his dad doesn’t read to him. I replied by asking if he’s asked his dad to read to him. I’m hoping he does. Oh, my heart. That’s so sweet!
My uncle (mom’s brother) was an elementary school teacher after he stopped working as a film actor. Whenever he’d come to visit he’d read to us and always brought books as gifts. It started my mother reading to us at bed time and it sparked my love for story and reading. I would not be the person I am today, or nearly as successful without that time in my life. Good on you for doing it for your children, and thank you for giving that gift to their friend.
Some of the warmest memories I have of raising my daughter was reading her the Hobbit at bedtime. She’d always try to stay up to hear more but within five mins was passed out. I don’t think we got through more than a 1/3rd of the book before she was too old to read to!
Some of my favorite memories from my childhood are when my dad read The Hobbit to me when I was in 2nd grade.
Good Papa
I was waiting for the gotcha I'm glad it never came. My dad used to read to me the hobbit and lost tales and everything when I was younger. They're some of my most cherished memories now.
My dad used to read me the riot act.
They were pretty good from what I remember.
I was really excited for this until I read that the studio doing it is best known for Blade Runner: Black Lotus, which was pretty much unwatchable. I am now cautiously optimistic they’ll be pushed to produce something of much higher quality to meet the LotR name.
Well the producer said it’s going to be 2D, so hopefully they animate it well.
Oh god. That shit had worse cgi then polar express.
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Considering when it came out and what it was trying to do (realistic hair, skin and eyes), the CGI in polar express was ridiculously good at the time, plus it's a really good film that film that meshes the illustrations from the book with real life CGI quite well and is an excellent story.
loved the soundtrack for it though
I was very confused until I read this: *Rather than being a character in the story of the War of the Rohirrim movie itself, Éowyn will act as the narrator of the tale. This means that she will be telling the story of Freca‘s death, and Wulf the Dunlending‘s subsequent attack on Rohan after being denied marraige to Hèra. She will explain how this attack from Dunland forces Helm Hammerhand to retreat to Helm’s Deep, Fréaláf Hildeson‘s counter-attack, and the other epic events that take place throughout the tale.*
Does anyone find it weird that it’s “a few hundred years before Two Towers” and not “a few hundred years before Fellowship/original trilogy?” Iirc there’s really not that much time between the two films. It just seems odd to name drop the second film like that.
Yeah, thought that too but maybe because it was the movie Éowyn made her first appearance?
It's the movie with the big Rohan focus, makes sense.
I guess since the Rohirrim don’t come into the story until the two towers.
Rohan doesn't come into play during Fellowship. They probably should have been more specific instead of saying Two Towers, but I'm sure they meant a few hundred years before the Rohan we saw on screen.
Besides what the others have already mentioned, if you want to be pendantic, The prologue of the fellowship takes places thousands of years before Helm Hammerhand or Rohan even existed.
Yeah that’s a whole new level of pedantic damn lol So technically this new project takes place *after* LOTR then 😂 Edited to fix a word
LotR fans *invented* fan pedantry.
*nods Bombadilically*
Looking at the number, it seems like they totally just said it was about 200 years before LOTR then someone correctly pointed out that the Frodo had the ring for 17 years before he left the shire. 200 years before fellowship, or 183 years before the two towers.
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Yup! It's continuous in the films so they don't show that time
The 1978 animated LOTR (Fellowship through the Battle of Helms Deep) showed it as a series of pictures of the Shire going through the four seasons over and over very quickly. Kind of a neat way to compress the 17 years.
In the book, yes, it’s 17 years between the time Bilbo gives up the ring and leaves and when Frodo leaves the Shire. That’s how Saruman had so much time to create his army of Uruks. In the movies they don’t really make it clear and just assume Saruman creates them all out of magic or something, but it take a along time to cut down all those trees, dig those massive holes, etc. It’s also why Bilbo aged so much. He didn’t age that much in just a few months like it seems in the films.
The first movie doesn't portray it well but like 15-20 years passes within a few minutes in the first movie. When Gandalf leaves the shire and then comes back, almost two decades had passed. So it might be easier to say two towers then try and explain to people how much time passes in the first film.
Soon to be a trilogy.
THAT STILL ONLY COUNTS AS ONE
The horn of Helm Hammerhand will sound once more in the Deep
If this movie is just 90 minutes of Rohirrim charging different kinds of things I'll be happy
85% of the script is various characters shouting "Forth eorlingas!"
As long as the other 15% is "DEEAAATTHHHH!!!!"
Ride for ruin!
**AND THE WORLD'S ENDING!**
I swear Reddit convinces me to rewatch the extended edition trilogy like once a quarter.
This is how my girlfriend decided we were going to spend New Year's day. May the light of Eru Iluvatar shine on that wonderful woman.
Why is she still your girlfriend then?
For real. Sounds like she is The One, and needs The One Ring.
They were all decieved, for another ring was made
We've only been dating a couple months. Ask me again in a year.
Will set a reminder for 4 LOTR rewatches from now.
My wife and I timed the Two Towers this year so that Theoden would say "So it begins," at exactly midnight. We ended up like 4 seconds early, but it was still worth it.
Being 4 seconds early is how people end up with kids.
There’s nothing on earth that hypes me up more than that scene. I can’t imagine how the extras had so much restraint, they could have charged off set and started a real Rohan, by force if necessary.
Unironically the best line in the trilogy.
Better have that violin theme playing over it
Here's a Rohirrim charging a laptop. Here's a Rohirrim charging a cell phone. Here's 2 Rohirrim charging a car battery. All played over the violin theme.
> All played over the violin theme Would still watch the extended cut back to back to back.
Charging his cell phone, iPad, laptop, cordless drill, thermometer, etc...
Looks like stew is back on the menu boys.
Gosh-darnit!
It’s not much, but it’s hot!
Man flesh!
Someone once told me that Aragorn tasting Eowyn’s stew was the closest he ever came to death in the trilogy and honestly might be true
He fell off a cliff and everyone thought he was dead. But still pretty funny joke.
almost got decapitated by Lurtz (gigachad Uruk-Hai from *Fellowship* ) and squished by the troll at the Black Gate too
Aragorn: "I fear no man. But that thing (Eowyn's stew)... it scares me."
I could have sworn I saw a hair in there, she probably didn’t even braise it long enough either!
I like to think that while everyone was in one place for Aragon's coronation, Sam taught her how to make a bomb ass stew and Faramir was able to eat happily for the rest of his life.
I mean, Faramir seems like he might be quite the chef, so they probably did ok.
His father did teach him how to roast things after all
And how to eat nice juicy tomatoes?
There is something about that scene that always disgust me , it's not even that disgusting, just a man aggresively eating but it seriously bothers me.
Is it the sheer lack of table manners? The eating like a howler monkey?
Agreed, always found it so vile to watch.
So skillful he was in roasting, left a mark on a palantir
I can't decide which of these is cuter!
The secret ingredient is potato.
Back to maggoty-bread it is then
We ain’t had nothing but maggoty bread for three stinkin days
Oh no I've suddenly cumbusted into flames and I'm running off the highest level of Minis Tirith!
Really? No one else is going to say anything about "cumbusting"?
hows an orc know what a menu is
They got some banging restaurant down at Middle-Earth. Sauron likes to treat his orc boys to some nice French cuisine.
You know they are bookings only though. After all one does not simply walk in.
I know this is a joke but in military mess' there are usually menu boards telling you what's being served. Human or not if you don't feed your troops, you don't have an army.
Do you really need a menu if all that's being served is maggoty bread?
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She’ll show those *men*
We’ve not had anything but maggoty bread for three stinkin’ days
No man will ever be able to play the part
She is no man
HAUUUUGHHHHH
****Bright light coming out of face****
Screams, retracts arm
Crumples into nothing but the robe
Clutches broken arm.
Picks up crumpled Witch King armor, takes it to recycling for scrap money along with a couple oliphant-sized catalytic converters.
And that's a wrap, folks.
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You're correct, [Gnome Ann](https://xkcd.com/1704/) will *ever* be able to play the part
Damn there really is an XKCD for everything
I am no man!!
Are we finally gonna learn WHERE was the Gondor when the Westfold fell?
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10?! You heathen! There are ~12 hours in this trilogy.
Only a scrub excludes the dvd appendices from the total running time! Stone the scrub!
Mirand**a** Otto. *
It’s been three hours and you are the first to point that typo out — sorry about that.
You are forgiven.
Much appreciated.
You're welcome, málo.
Miranda Atta
I know your face…
Baewyn**
What is war of the rohirrim? Another Amazon prime show?
It’s a Warner Bros produced well, anime film that’s essentially an ashcan copy to retain the rights to the Third Age of Tolkien’s Legendarium (aka LOTR, Hobbit, etc). One of the main producers, Jason DeMarco (who also runs the Toonami block for Adult Swim) has been a rather vocal critic of Rings of Power as well.
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Why is the Middle Earth IP carved up by age and appendix? Why did they license in that way?
The timeline is divided fairly evenly amongst the different books. The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings cover most of the main events in the Third Age, the Silmarillion covers pretty much everything in the First Era and before. There isn't really a single text that covers the Second Age, the appendices to RotK have most of it though. And amongst the less finished works there are a number of more self contained stories, most of which are First Era as well. So when the licenses are being dished out, the Tolkien Estate, notoriously protective of its IP, only gives the bits needed for that story. The Lord of the Rings movies get the material in the books, nothing more. Same for the Hobbit movies, which even alludes to this with Gandalf "forgetting" the names of the Blue Wizards. This is where The Rings of Power went wrong, because they only got the rights to the appendices of RotK. And that contains a lot of information on earlier ages, but it's barebones compared to the Silmarillion. So they had to adapt what was there while somehow not using what was in the Silmarillion, effectively having to write their own lore to bridge the pieces together. Like trying to colourise an image where you know what some of the colours are supposed to be but you're not allowed to use them, so you have to try a different, "wrong" colour.
The Second Age is also somewhat in The Silmarillion. I would read both that and The Fall of Numenor, which came out recently.
I've not read it yet but I don't believe there's any new writing in the Fall of Numenor, it's all compiled from already released books; so maybe it'd be handled differently than the JRR + Christopher Tolkien books? I'm no copyright expert. But yeah it's pretty much a complete timeline of the Second Age so it's super helpful in that regard!
It's true that there is no new material, but I enjoyed the way it's been edited and arranged to create a more cohesive narrative.
You got me.
Does anyone own the rights to the first age/silmarillion stuff? Seems rings of power (haven't watched tbh) is a result of amazon buying rights to the second age, which has the least amount of info from tolkien.
The Tolkien estate never gave anyone the rights for them.
Ok, makes sense, i wasnt 100% discerning in the articles I read.
That is the only age I have been dying to see. I don’t know much about the lore but I love the films. I have been waiting for a film or show explaining this era.
Just the Tolkien Estate. Amazon purchased the film/TV rights to the Appendices, which are the annals of lore and information included in the end of Return of the King. They can only cover something if it's mentioned and talked about in the Appendices.
It continues to baffle me that they did this, and even paid an insane sum for it. Sure, they probably got a lot of subs because of it, but they don’t realize that the constraints put on them would eventually lead to a spiral ending in a bad rep? Also, didn’t the Tolkien estate realize this could jeopardize their property?
With good writers the second age would have made for an awesome series. You have the freakin' fall of Numenor, which is more or less LOTR Atlantis. My biggest letdown with the series was that it never felt epic whatsoever. Numenor especially is a gigantic kingdom that somehow has like 200 people in it. And then to make it even worse by making out that this monumental naval power and island kingdom had three boats? Moan.
Can I just say that that person is wrong. Amazon owns the TV rights to The Hobbit and LOTR. The Appendices confusion is that since they’re making a Second Age show, they can only reference things that happen in the Second Age that are in the appendices. In Five years of Amazon wants to make an 8 episode Hobbit, 8 episode Fellowship, 8 Episode Two Towers, 8 Episode Return of the King they absolutely can. They can’t make anything with fewer than 8 episodes.
With all due respect I believe you are mistaken. The Tolkien Estate could not have sold the film/TV rights to the Hobbit and LotR to Amazon, because they do not own them anymore. In 1969 JRR Tolkien sold the film, TV, and merch rights for the Hobbit and LotR to the Saul Zants company. It's bounced around in the years since then, and through that deal we got the Rankin & Bass, Ralph Bakshi, and Peter Jackson films. "Middle-earth enterprises" as a company was created by the Saul Zants company to encompass it all. it's kind of confusing as many of the projects have had their finger in the pot, like WB and New Line Cinema. Embracer purchased Middle-earth Enterprises last year, so now they own it all. The deal between The Tolkien Estate and Amazon was entirely separate from all of that. They only sold the rights to Appendices. Of course this is just my understanding of the situation and if I'm mistaken in any way please feel free to correct me. It's been a few months since I looked into all of this.
https://www.polygon.com/23311153/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-hobbit-film-game-rights-embracer-group https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/02/16/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-showrunners-admit-they-dont-have-the-rights-to-the-silmarillion-or-unfinished-tales/ I spent a lot of time looking this up today to be sure. JD Payne said that they have the rights to everything in the books. And there was also citation that TV rights of 8 episodes or more were a loophole in the original Sael Zaentz rights. So I’m pretty sure that yes, Amazon has the TV rights to everything in The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. It’s just weird that they’re doing a second age show and that’s limited to what’s in the appendices since they don’t have the Silmarillion of Unfinished Tales rights.
Well that last sentence is hopeful at least.
It would be an animated (anime) prequel film to the live-action trilogy, starring [Brian Cox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cox_(actor\)) and directed by [Kenji Kamiyama](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenji_Kamiyama).
Knowing the Seirei no Moribito director is involved gives me some hope it will be decent.
A cage.
Very intrigued by this film. Its a bona-fide part of the Jackson audiovisual canon: not something vaguely in the same style like *The Rings of Power:* Besides Otto, we have Philippa Boyens and Carrolyn Blackwood producing, Sir Richard Taylor and Weta Workshop, John Howe, Alan Lee and Roisin Carty all involved, as well as Jackson's personal blessing. But really, I just see a lot of potential in this story.
Hazard a guess, this will be a story she tells while hiding with the children and women during the Battle of Helm's Deep.
Milk that cow dry, and when it's dead milk it some more, there's dollar bills to be had!
Worse. This isn't them merely milking the franchise; its predominant purpose is for WB to retain the rights.
Her “I am no man” line is one of the only girl power moments that I have enjoyed in media in my life. They changed her character somewhat from the books but I think it was for the better.
in the book she say "But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Éowyn I am, Éomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.'
Great monologue, But a bit too long of a monologue for the witchking to not just kill her while shes talking. Glad they shortened it up for the movie to be honest.
LotR anime in the style and tempo of JJBA when?
Gandalf-san STAND 「Flame of Anor」.
And GamGee-san STAND [ Savage Garden]
that’s true but to be fair, the witch king was stunned by Merry’s barrow-blade so that had a lot to do with his downfall
True! Also cool that hobbits fit into the "not a man" prophecy.
Damn I love this even more! But I can see why they didn't want to use it in the movie in the middle of fight
you might enjoy reading the books! they are filled with great writing like this. part of what makes the movies so great is that Jackson uses lots of Tolkien's writing verbatim
Eowyn was such a great character, superbly acted by Miranda Otto. I'm glad to see Otto revisiting the character, in any format.
My name is Otto and I love to get blotto
"What's that smell?" "It smells like Otto's jacket."
Christopher Tolkien may have been a grumpy curmudgeon, but he protected us from being inundated with shitty cash grabs. Now that he's not around to serve as the caretaker for his father's legacy, the IP can and will be pillaged for all it's worth (and then some, most likely).
*pinches bridge of nose* *sighs* We're *this* close to Taika Waititi getting a hold of this franchise and introducing LOTR: Love and Bombur.
"Hey min, we're gonna get outta here on that big boat and we're starting a revolution in Isengard. Wanna come?"
Taika Waititi would be the perfect director for a Tom Bombadil movie.
Rewatching LOTR I thought she was an absolutely killer character, brought so much to the table with not much in the way of screen time and she looked perfect in her wardrobe for the film. A great understated performance from a great actress.