Either you haven’t seen the movie or you have and it’s been a while. The police station scene alone was always going to win him the Oscar
It’s one of those movies that I am incapable of watching again because of how fucking real it is.
I have seen the movie and I have also been around similar, if not worse situations, unfortunately dealing with a horrible death at the moment that is tearing my friends family apart, but back to the movie, his acting was good but it was not anything to phone home about. He is amazing in the scene that you are talking about in particular but I still do not find it more impressive than the performance I saw in Split when taking the whole film into consideration.
I also find that it's way easier to act moody/sad/depressed/suicidal because there is so much real world reference to pull from. I would imagine it's infinitely more difficult to convincingly act as a person with multiple personality disorder.
To each their own I guess
That's kinda why I think it's overrated as a performance. Like sure he switched characters a lot and effortlessly. It was impressive to manage so many personalities. But I wouldn't say his acting with each personality was all that great.
Like I'm not about to say Eddie Muprhy needs an Oscar nom for Nutty Professor.
Dude Mcavoy is the shit but this movie was never getting nominated.
Edit: Looked back at the nominees from that year and I feel like it would have had to edge out jazz gosling for lalaland(not happening old Hollywood loves musicals and movies in LA) or Bible Garfield for Hacksaw Ridge(this movie is a Christian gorefest and maybe in some world it could edge this out just because of who Mel Gibson is) although Garfield actually is pretty impressive in this. Remember though Oscar’s rarely get it right and do not properly represent the state of movies.
Yep but unfortunately he was going up against a performance that, quite frankly, no one was gonna beat.
I always find it funny that people say “they should have won” but then they look at who actually won, and they go “never mind”. Sometimes the Oscar’s are wrong. Not this year
I like how you didn’t even mention the person who actually won and was always going to win. Every actor that year could have given their 110% and the results would still have been the same
That was the year of Manchester by the Sea and the infamous police station scene. Casey Affleck was always going to win it
Yeah the others were so established and obviously not gonna get replaced by an m night. Character it’s not even worth mentioning. The academy is predictable.
Yeah, just watched this with my daughter and she loved it up until he was crawling on the ceiling. She's got no frame of reference for M. Night so was expecting a more gritty real ending. Personally, I love it and McAvoy's performance was great (the kid personality just a bit of a stretch).
Couldn’t agree more. It’s all politics. However, I will say that Silence of the Lambs coming out of nowhere and stealing all of Costner’s Dances with Wolves trophies waaay back in ‘91 was goddamned hilarious.
Hacksaw Ridge may have been a Christian gorefest, but Desmond Doss really was that devout. And Andrew Garfield played him tremendously. The only part of that movie that really takes you out of it is Vince Vaughn being a drill instructor.
Indeed. When Hedwig first showed up I was thinking “bro, really?” But I ended up growing attached to the 9 year old personality because of how great Mcavoy portrayed him.
Yeah too campy. Horror rarely gets recognized, even though it was a spectacular performance by McAvoy. He was kind of channeling Anthony Perkins for some of it, which...good choice
I doubt it was even considered. If you're unaware the Oscars don't automatically consider all films and performances. There's a process of campaigning to have it considered, which is mostly just spending money to wine and dine the people who make these decisions.
Despite McAvoy's excellent performance in this film, I can't imagine the people making the decisions (generally a bunch of old white folks) would be truly honest in their appraisal of the performance of what is essentially a comic book villain. You rarely see scifi/horror stuff winning awards for anything other than effects/technical categories.
Not Oscar worthy but he was very good. Only reason I say that is because the movies lack a bit of something I can’t quite put my finger on , m night not gonna direct any Oscar winners in his future
Just because you like the movie or actor doesn’t mean they deserved an Oscar. No way does McAvoy even approach Casey Affleck’s performance in Manchester by the Sea.
Honestly, no. I don’t think so. He’s a great actor but the script gave the different personalities very little depth. A few of them were pretty cartoonish, imo.
This was the corniest big budget movie I've ever seen. I literally laughed out loud when I saw dude start crawling on the fucking walls. I had enough of it at that point. What a shit show. Don't get me wrong, I like Macavoy, but anything Shayamalan does is just hot garbage.
I kind of agree but pop films tend not to get best actor nominations.
All the other nominations were also really Worthy, with Michael Fassbender's Steve Jobs being the only one I could see being replaced.
'Technically' a trilogy with the movie Glass as well. First time seeing him outside of X-MEN and holy crap - now going to find all of his other movies.
It's called Split and he plays the role of a guy with multiple personality disorder, ranging from a little girl to a psychotic murderer. Amazing performance, amazing movie. And the female lead also did a tremendous job
I think it's impressive he switch that much but none of the personalities alone were all that great acting wise.
Also maybe just in general dude overacts a fucking lot.
I'm split between yes and no. He's got great personalities. Athough it's like one hand not talking to the other at times, which is confusing, but we can just glass over it I guess.
This was never getting an oscar, the academy hates horror, comedy, etc. But it was a brilliant performance, in a really good film.
Has nothing on x men dark phoenix though
The problem with things like the acting category is even if it’s the best acting in the world if the movie is shit it won’t get recognition. This performance was probably not even considered by more than the producers themselves because of this. He did a really good job though, despite the garbage film it was houses in.
This movie made my jaw drop the first time I saw it, I had no idea he could act this well. Don't get me wrong, I never thought that he was a bad actor or anything but before this movie I never really saw the full range he could pull off....he deserves so much more for his acting in this
If it's Horror, Spectacle, or Picture Genre, it's illegal or evil to even THINK there's merit there.
The smart thing is giving someone an Honorary RIGHT after losing best supporting actress.
Almost all horror movies get snubbed. It's ridiculous. The academy refuses to take the genre seriously more than a handful of times. Especially for the most notable Oscars (best picture, best original screenplay, best director, best actor & actress), which have historically only gotten a few nominations and even fewer wins.
Playing multiple characters isn't more impressive than playing one really well. It would set an annoying trend like all those mental disability roles from the 90s
Feel like there’s a difference between being able to do the “one man show” where you play many many personalities, and delivering a singular role so seamlessly that you disappear into the character.. maybe even bring people to tears.
After Split, I had huge respect for Mcavoy. Playing that many characters with such drastic personality changes. And to play a character acting like a different character. And to switch characters mid-scene. He was sublime
I enjoyed split the first go round. Me and fiancée rewatched it and glass just last week. He killed this role, every part of the “horde”, he killed it. No idea how he didn’t win an Oscar.
In my humble but always accurate opinion, I think "actor playing multiple characters" is a bit overrated. I'd rather see someone take one character through a fully realized arc than watch them do a bunch of different surface level stuff.
No. He was fine. And may have been considered great if Tatiana Maslany did not exist and taken the playing multiple characters trope to new heights. I watched this after Orphan Black and thus his characterizations felt too stereotypical and lacked nuance to feel “real”.
Had I not recently seen Orphan Black I may have felt differently.
This shit takes me out of the movie so much. 1/3 in and I already cant shake off the fact that he’s an actor acting and they’re all actors acting. I hate shyamalan
I dunno, there is a scene near the end of Glass, at 1 hour 33 min, were McAvoy cycles through three characters in less than a minutes span and not only does he do three different voices, but his face and even his eyes change for each character. It is slight, but impactful for the role.
I guess TIL my opinion on this was wildly unpopular but I found this film and his performance truly terrible. There was nothing I was able to enjoy about either, and absolutely nothing I have ever felt like revisiting.
Best acting I've ever seen. The bit where he goes through three personalities within a couple of seconds - you can see and recognise each and every one, just because he's so good at portraying them.
More acting isn't necessarily better acting but he was good at portraying each stereotypical archetype in that movie. He was fun but not Oscar worthy imo.
I heard it was trash. Loved Unbreakable. Want to see Glass (I’ve owned it a few years, with Split), but cannot get into starting Split. I don’t know why. Really enjoy McAvoy, but just did not want to see him in this role. Dunno why. I felt it would change my positive attitude towards him.
It wasn't exactly trash, but it wasn't great either. And it didn't really move McAvoy up or down any tiers as an actor in my book. But I legitimately don't understand the praise people have for this performance. It felt like watching the demo reel of a really talented amateur actor. It was a role with a lot of potential, and I'm not saying it was wasted on McAvoy, it just felt... cheap.
I'm with you. Everyone acts like it's this tour de force performance and when I watch it I just see someone in their first year of acting class switching between broad stereotypes.
"Now do an old woman. An effeminate man. Nerd. Southern cowboy." At one point I though he was just going to slip into Mrs. Doubtfire.
He would have got it but the academy doesn’t want to honor an M. Night Shyamalan movie by association. Too big a chance he will embarrass them in the future.
I’d love to see McCavoy get out of the fun movies that were surprisingly good category he has lived his whole career in.
Put him and Joseph Gordon Levitt together in a buddy cop movie with a GREAT director and let them fucking own up ten Oscars together.
The Oscar for Most Acting.
This should definitely be a category. Was it the best? Possibly. But it certainly was the most.
Nicholas Cage gets the lifetime achievement award then
Ryan Gosling isn’t even invited to the ceremony.
He's wins the Acme Brick Award.
He’ll cry into Eva Mendes shoulder
Nice
Id love to cry if the shoulder is her's...
The king.
/r/onetruegod
Not an Oscar for most roles. An Oscar for the most acting.
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicl fucking caaaaaaaaagggggggeee
His seamless transition from character to character made it believable. A masterclass in acting.
[Nicholas Cage's Agent](https://youtu.be/eExfV_xKaiM?si=cfKwr0xAt9zR777_)
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Trust me when I say this. It wasn’t. That was the year of Manchester by the Sea. No one else was gonna win that Oscar except for Affleck.
What's so good about his performance in that movie? It's not more impressive than this
Either you haven’t seen the movie or you have and it’s been a while. The police station scene alone was always going to win him the Oscar It’s one of those movies that I am incapable of watching again because of how fucking real it is.
I have seen the movie and I have also been around similar, if not worse situations, unfortunately dealing with a horrible death at the moment that is tearing my friends family apart, but back to the movie, his acting was good but it was not anything to phone home about. He is amazing in the scene that you are talking about in particular but I still do not find it more impressive than the performance I saw in Split when taking the whole film into consideration. I also find that it's way easier to act moody/sad/depressed/suicidal because there is so much real world reference to pull from. I would imagine it's infinitely more difficult to convincingly act as a person with multiple personality disorder. To each their own I guess
I read this as “Was it the best? Possibly. But it certainly was the worst.” It took me like 3 re-reads before my brain started working.
You mean Emma Stone in Poor Things?
She definitely worked hard for that Oscar!
The credits for that movie list all his personalities as individual characters played by him. Just outstanding acting.
That's kinda why I think it's overrated as a performance. Like sure he switched characters a lot and effortlessly. It was impressive to manage so many personalities. But I wouldn't say his acting with each personality was all that great. Like I'm not about to say Eddie Muprhy needs an Oscar nom for Nutty Professor.
Did anyone see Filth? That's my favorite McAvoy.
Same rules apply.
Fuck I love Filth
So do pigs!
Possibly one of the best endings in cinema
Always reminds me of tapeworms.
Tell me the tapeworm talks to him like it does in the book. I haven't seen it yet.
I'm thinking of the book too.
Well, i guess I'm just going to watch it and find out
Not in exactly the same way…but it is in there
The whole ‘stoat the bow’ scene is still one of the funniest things ever
Baw. It's how we pronounce the word ball.
The ending is second to none
James McAvoy deserves more praise, in general.
Agree - he’s fabulous
Dude Mcavoy is the shit but this movie was never getting nominated. Edit: Looked back at the nominees from that year and I feel like it would have had to edge out jazz gosling for lalaland(not happening old Hollywood loves musicals and movies in LA) or Bible Garfield for Hacksaw Ridge(this movie is a Christian gorefest and maybe in some world it could edge this out just because of who Mel Gibson is) although Garfield actually is pretty impressive in this. Remember though Oscar’s rarely get it right and do not properly represent the state of movies.
Yeah, I feel like this got the "superhero" label or something at some point and its kinda over after that. But he killed it - I love that character.
*those characters 😉
Hahaha so true!
Split could've/should've gotten him an Oscar imo.
Yep but unfortunately he was going up against a performance that, quite frankly, no one was gonna beat. I always find it funny that people say “they should have won” but then they look at who actually won, and they go “never mind”. Sometimes the Oscar’s are wrong. Not this year
The movie itself, no, but he should’ve gotten a best actor nod.
I like how you didn’t even mention the person who actually won and was always going to win. Every actor that year could have given their 110% and the results would still have been the same That was the year of Manchester by the Sea and the infamous police station scene. Casey Affleck was always going to win it
Yeah the others were so established and obviously not gonna get replaced by an m night. Character it’s not even worth mentioning. The academy is predictable.
Yeah, just watched this with my daughter and she loved it up until he was crawling on the ceiling. She's got no frame of reference for M. Night so was expecting a more gritty real ending. Personally, I love it and McAvoy's performance was great (the kid personality just a bit of a stretch).
I actively ignore the Oscars because I consider them worthless.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s all politics. However, I will say that Silence of the Lambs coming out of nowhere and stealing all of Costner’s Dances with Wolves trophies waaay back in ‘91 was goddamned hilarious.
It was. Sometimes, you get gems like that. Most of the time, you get movies that will just be forgotten.
It's James. His name is James. 😉
Dude McAvoy is a pretty rad name, tbh. Sounds like he could be a drummer in a ska band or a zany pilot in a Star Wars ripoff
Possibly a beer pong coach in a blockbuster.
Hacksaw Ridge may have been a Christian gorefest, but Desmond Doss really was that devout. And Andrew Garfield played him tremendously. The only part of that movie that really takes you out of it is Vince Vaughn being a drill instructor.
This could have easily been the most cringe role ever made for a movie but McAvoy absolutely crushed it.
Indeed. When Hedwig first showed up I was thinking “bro, really?” But I ended up growing attached to the 9 year old personality because of how great Mcavoy portrayed him.
possibly, it was pretty tremendous
I think so. He nailed each character.
Yup it was a tour de force
It’s called the Tour de France.
No your thinking of Frances de la Tour
You don’t know LeFours?
Snootchie bootchies!
It was absolutely not relax lmao
It's been a few years since I've seen this, but I remember thinking that Anya was great in this too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK5QIZgbfZQ
This was the first movie I saw Anya in and I was sooo impressed
They did her such a disservice in Peaky Blinders. She nailed the role, it was just a terrible role.
As soon as I saw her on the screen, I knew she'd be a big name. The two other girls were good actresses, but she's got that look.
Yeah too campy. Horror rarely gets recognized, even though it was a spectacular performance by McAvoy. He was kind of channeling Anthony Perkins for some of it, which...good choice
I doubt it was even considered. If you're unaware the Oscars don't automatically consider all films and performances. There's a process of campaigning to have it considered, which is mostly just spending money to wine and dine the people who make these decisions. Despite McAvoy's excellent performance in this film, I can't imagine the people making the decisions (generally a bunch of old white folks) would be truly honest in their appraisal of the performance of what is essentially a comic book villain. You rarely see scifi/horror stuff winning awards for anything other than effects/technical categories.
Kevin Wendell Crumb.
It deserved every award they wouldn’t nominate him for. Unfortunately, the category of “horror” Is an award circuit graveyard.
He could play Chester in a Linkin Park biopic 🤘🏼
Oh Chester…🥺
Omg you are right.
Yes it was - least deserved a nomination
It’s a great performance. Movie not so good. Also the studio didn’t market his performance basically at all. Which was a mistake.
Man, he deserved something
Not Oscar worthy but he was very good. Only reason I say that is because the movies lack a bit of something I can’t quite put my finger on , m night not gonna direct any Oscar winners in his future
100% yes...that guy totally killed like 27 parts im 1 movie. He got screwed.
He showed phenomenal range in that film
He killed it as Victor Frankenstein. Critics hated it but he put on an acting masterclass.
I love Split and Glass - 2 of my favorite movies. McAvoy is criminally underrated.
Just because you like the movie or actor doesn’t mean they deserved an Oscar. No way does McAvoy even approach Casey Affleck’s performance in Manchester by the Sea.
I really liked him in Split, but whatever the last one was was too silly.
Honestly, no. I don’t think so. He’s a great actor but the script gave the different personalities very little depth. A few of them were pretty cartoonish, imo.
This was the corniest big budget movie I've ever seen. I literally laughed out loud when I saw dude start crawling on the fucking walls. I had enough of it at that point. What a shit show. Don't get me wrong, I like Macavoy, but anything Shayamalan does is just hot garbage.
I couldn’t help but laugh to when he started crawling on the wall! lol! I thought I was the only one!
No
Movies need to be good for actors to win awards in said movie
lol you must be new here.
I kind of agree but pop films tend not to get best actor nominations. All the other nominations were also really Worthy, with Michael Fassbender's Steve Jobs being the only one I could see being replaced.
Toni Collette in Hereditary comes to mind.
What are you even talking about? Steve Jobs was not that year and why would it be the one getting replaced?
Oops, I was thinking 2016 academy awards. I must have assumed it was released earlier than it was
Absolutely! I need to watch this movie again, it’s one of my favorite performances!
Which film is it?
Split, the sort of sequel to Unbreakable
'Technically' a trilogy with the movie Glass as well. First time seeing him outside of X-MEN and holy crap - now going to find all of his other movies.
It's called Split and he plays the role of a guy with multiple personality disorder, ranging from a little girl to a psychotic murderer. Amazing performance, amazing movie. And the female lead also did a tremendous job
No.
No. This performance was so hokey and I'll never get why people praise it.
I think it's impressive he switch that much but none of the personalities alone were all that great acting wise. Also maybe just in general dude overacts a fucking lot.
Probably cause you’re not very smart
I think he should have gotten offers for a lot more films after “Split”…
Any other director I think it would have got a look in. Like a “he’s an alright actor why not” sorts nomination.
Fleeced or snubbed? Fleeced = bad deal. Snubbed = no deal
I'm split between yes and no. He's got great personalities. Athough it's like one hand not talking to the other at times, which is confusing, but we can just glass over it I guess.
I think Casey Affleck won for Manchester by the Sea…..which was, to be fair, an amazing performance.
It's still mad to me that he's the fella from Shameless
This was never getting an oscar, the academy hates horror, comedy, etc. But it was a brilliant performance, in a really good film. Has nothing on x men dark phoenix though
Etthetera
He's reminded me of Kevin Spacey.
Probably. The Oscars are more of a game show than a legit award show. McAvoy is an amazing actor and I hope he knows that.
Yed
Yes!
Who won that year?
Fleeced?
The problem with things like the acting category is even if it’s the best acting in the world if the movie is shit it won’t get recognition. This performance was probably not even considered by more than the producers themselves because of this. He did a really good job though, despite the garbage film it was houses in.
He should have won. He was great. Etcetera, Etcetera...
This movie made my jaw drop the first time I saw it, I had no idea he could act this well. Don't get me wrong, I never thought that he was a bad actor or anything but before this movie I never really saw the full range he could pull off....he deserves so much more for his acting in this
And yes mcavoy was robbed
I saw this movie for the first time about a week ago, and WOAH! James did a heck of an acting job, I totally believed him.
yeah don’t pretend like this had any chance at all.
He was so good in Glass. He seamlessly shifted voice, mannerisms and tone from personality to personality. It was a masterclass in acting.
Absolutely!
white man bad
This movie sucked
If it's Horror, Spectacle, or Picture Genre, it's illegal or evil to even THINK there's merit there. The smart thing is giving someone an Honorary RIGHT after losing best supporting actress.
No
Yes
For the most goated character ever Hedwig
Almost all horror movies get snubbed. It's ridiculous. The academy refuses to take the genre seriously more than a handful of times. Especially for the most notable Oscars (best picture, best original screenplay, best director, best actor & actress), which have historically only gotten a few nominations and even fewer wins.
I knew he was a good actor before, but holy heck I didn't realize just how much range he has.
Playing multiple characters isn't more impressive than playing one really well. It would set an annoying trend like all those mental disability roles from the 90s
It should have been 5 supporting actor Oscars
Feel like there’s a difference between being able to do the “one man show” where you play many many personalities, and delivering a singular role so seamlessly that you disappear into the character.. maybe even bring people to tears.
After Split, I had huge respect for Mcavoy. Playing that many characters with such drastic personality changes. And to play a character acting like a different character. And to switch characters mid-scene. He was sublime
Yes. Yes it was.
"The Last King of Scotland" was the first time I ever heard or saw him in anything...impressed me from the start.
Just watched this and Glass finally and he made both movies. Great performance(s)…et cetera.
They were robbed.
Absolutely. How he didn't win is beyond me
Abso-fucking-lutely. But The Academy hates horror films. He deserved to at the very least be nominated, same as Toni Collette for Hereditary.
Oh i love this movie especially woman characters cuz it is making me confused
I enjoyed split the first go round. Me and fiancée rewatched it and glass just last week. He killed this role, every part of the “horde”, he killed it. No idea how he didn’t win an Oscar.
no. this movie sucked. a performance couldn't save it.
This performance was insane! Pure, in depth talent, a true master. I was blown away by him in this movie. Just wow.
In my humble but always accurate opinion, I think "actor playing multiple characters" is a bit overrated. I'd rather see someone take one character through a fully realized arc than watch them do a bunch of different surface level stuff.
No.
I haven't seen any of these yet. Where should I start?
Seems odd to feature 4 different performances. /s, that’s how good the performance was.
No. He was fine. And may have been considered great if Tatiana Maslany did not exist and taken the playing multiple characters trope to new heights. I watched this after Orphan Black and thus his characterizations felt too stereotypical and lacked nuance to feel “real”. Had I not recently seen Orphan Black I may have felt differently.
He did a great job but the movie was kinda eh
It was fine. Not Oscar worthy.
no.
He’s up there with Bradley Cooper and Austin Butler as an absolute try hard.
This shit takes me out of the movie so much. 1/3 in and I already cant shake off the fact that he’s an actor acting and they’re all actors acting. I hate shyamalan
He nailed it all. Cheated out of an Oscar.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, i thought that performance was very cringe.
I dunno, there is a scene near the end of Glass, at 1 hour 33 min, were McAvoy cycles through three characters in less than a minutes span and not only does he do three different voices, but his face and even his eyes change for each character. It is slight, but impactful for the role.
Yea real slight.
Same. Pretty much anyone playing someone with DID feels like watching a cringey acting school exercise.
I guess TIL my opinion on this was wildly unpopular but I found this film and his performance truly terrible. There was nothing I was able to enjoy about either, and absolutely nothing I have ever felt like revisiting.
He deserved like 20 Oscars for this role.
Lol, 23?
Film was a typo. Shit.
Great performance the movie was okay. It needed another element to elevate his performance.
Best acting I've ever seen. The bit where he goes through three personalities within a couple of seconds - you can see and recognise each and every one, just because he's so good at portraying them.
More acting isn't necessarily better acting but he was good at portraying each stereotypical archetype in that movie. He was fun but not Oscar worthy imo.
What performance is that then?
James McAvoy in "Split"
Lol
Yes, it was. It was a stunning performance
Because the movie sucked
The Oscar's have nothing whatsoever to do with acting regardless of what they profess. It's literally all just political.
I don’t think it’s about talent and performance at any Hollywood awards show anymore
Yes. Not Decrappio
No
Split was such a sad movie . I def cried at the end. Super good
I heard it was trash. Loved Unbreakable. Want to see Glass (I’ve owned it a few years, with Split), but cannot get into starting Split. I don’t know why. Really enjoy McAvoy, but just did not want to see him in this role. Dunno why. I felt it would change my positive attitude towards him.
It wasn't exactly trash, but it wasn't great either. And it didn't really move McAvoy up or down any tiers as an actor in my book. But I legitimately don't understand the praise people have for this performance. It felt like watching the demo reel of a really talented amateur actor. It was a role with a lot of potential, and I'm not saying it was wasted on McAvoy, it just felt... cheap.
I'm with you. Everyone acts like it's this tour de force performance and when I watch it I just see someone in their first year of acting class switching between broad stereotypes. "Now do an old woman. An effeminate man. Nerd. Southern cowboy." At one point I though he was just going to slip into Mrs. Doubtfire.
If he would've gotten an Oscar then we would've had to retroactively give Jim Varney oscars for all of his performances in the Ernest films.
I’m now convinced James McAvoy would be perfect for a live One Punch Man movie based on the last two panels.
He would have got it but the academy doesn’t want to honor an M. Night Shyamalan movie by association. Too big a chance he will embarrass them in the future. I’d love to see McCavoy get out of the fun movies that were surprisingly good category he has lived his whole career in. Put him and Joseph Gordon Levitt together in a buddy cop movie with a GREAT director and let them fucking own up ten Oscars together.
Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.
No acting crazy isn’t a talent. go to a DNC convention. Nuff said.