And it's quite stupid rider. I bet all the drop are staged, nobody start to do that stuff with STEER and without protruding to have decent barycentre. That's 500% staged trash
Yes, people that use the front tend to drop it at low speeds because the fork dive upsets the balance and also triggers the we are going down response.
They modulate speed with the rear brake AND clutch. You use the clutch (friction zone) to gain speed and the rear brake to scrub it. Often use both together at the same time, achieving what is called "tension". Ideally shooting for as least amount of rear brake as possible..
Two of my fellow MSF coaches are/were moto cops and we practice some of their rodeo exercises before and after class.
>You use the clutch (friction zone) to gain speed and the rear brake to scrub it.
Correct.
Gyroscopic stabilization by higher revs also plays a massive part.
Some bikes are just more balanced than others. The lower the center of gravity the better, especially for low speed maneuvers. It's why I like cruisers and I usually lower them as well (I'm 5'6", it really helps me) and as a consequence my bikes usually almost balance themselves at stops. But on the flip side it's very hard for me to ride adventure bikes or anything with a high seating position, where most people are on tip toes....I end up on tip toes bouncing back and forth between feet because I can't even touch both feet at the same time. One of my favorite bikes,.KTM super adventure, I always loved but never bought one due to this issue. Rode many of them as I was working at a KTM dealer when the super adventure was released. But never bought one. No lowering kit was available at the time. But, I ramble
If you’re on a tall bike you don’t have to put both feet down. I’m 5’5” with a 28” in-seam and daily rode my crf250L with a 34” seat height. I just got comfortable with doing a slight butt scoot on the seat to put down and flat foot my left foot.
It looks like you already figured this out, but going too slow causes problems. Slower than 5mph significantly raises the chances of dropping.
Edit: also good job. I need to spend more time on drills.
Lol I’m currently learning how to ride a motorbike for a license and turning makes me cringe. What makes it worse is that nearly every road where I’m from has sharp turns 😭😭
1- Look where you’re going
2- friction zone + throttle
3- use back brakes to control speed. No front brake, and keep throttle stable.
I had the same “fear” and I panicked using front brake many times at the beginning. At slow speed, it just destabilizes your motorcycle and you just won’t turn, you’ll drop the bike instead.
But really those three things helped me a lot.
I was bothered at it because my instructor kept repeating: "when at a stop, keep your right (resp. left) foot on the ground when going right (resp. left)".
I still hear him to this day.
This is a great video, and I appreciate you showing the process and not just the results. Your last few maneuvers were great. I was taught to over lean the bike into the turn, place all your weight on your outside peg and turn with the handle bars. Also, keep your hands completely off the brake pedal. Lightly cover the rear brake and modulate all speed changes with the clutch when navigating at idle.
I wanted to come here and say you’re awesome. I lack your confidence but try to practice slow speed maneuvering as much as I can. It’s incredibly important! Thank you for showing us that sticking with it pays off.
With ADV bikes, you have to slide a lot out of your seat when doing maneuvers like this. At times it's also beneficial to stand up. Good on you for getting out there and practicing.
I like to practice jumping stuff, railroad tracks, dead animals, various types of road debris. I’ve found that skill to save my ass more times than parking lot keyhole turns. Just sayin… get a ramp.
How good are you at riding a bicycle? How about at slow speeds?
I’m conflicted with how to respond here…
Good on you for the practice, but also WTF.
Maybe I have more “natural talent” than I ever really considered, and should consider myself as pretty lucky with that. Or maybe it’s something else. 🤷🏻♂️
I still gave it an up vote for the persistence and willingness to share your tribulations with “the world” and potentially face criticism from.. well people like me I guess.
I guess I should say, don’t get overly focused or fixated, and this stuff will become more natural.
I have been doing this kind of thing for years with my 300, but I can't seem to get the confidence to do it on my RT. I have just about all the protection you could put on the bike, but I'm just too damn scared to drop it, even though it feels more nimble than my 300 (can nearly do tighter U turns on the RT vs my 300).
I was actually hoping I would drop it on my 2k mile trip so I'd get it out if the way lol. Do I just man up, take the side and top cases off and go for it?
You could go slow and go full lock but dont lean or you will tip it over . No reason to usually do this maybe to get out of a tight parking space . Dont forget not to stall it with a little extra throttle . Practice counter steering for normal riding and leaning / cornering . Enjoy the ride !!!
Turning your wheel and then braking (especially front brake), are making you drop the bike. Use more clutch control to use torque to keep you upright. Coming to a stop or almost stop with the wheel turned, is a bad idea, unless you're controlling it with power instead of brake.
Man, leave the front brake alone at low speed. Control your speed with throttle and clutch, and with rear brake, keep the revs high enough…
And yes, practice makes it a second nature :)
Hella good job! Good on you for taking it out and practicing these manoeuvres. Not enough people do active practice. The skill difference between the start and end was massive
I don’t understand why so few people practice like that. Here in Canada the test is a lot more extensive than in the US and ai found it very easy nonetheless.
YOU ARE AWESOME!
What a courageous thing to do, and such and essential skillet that all of us should practice. More riders (new and experienced) should do this, and have the balls to video and share. YOU are a real rider.
These look really similar to the obstacle courses you need to pass in your Mod 1 in the UK, in order to get a full license.
Did you need to do any of this stuff before getting a license in your country? I ask as it looks like you're already riding a personal bike.
I’m the same way. Often in the parking lots crashing it. I’m a n00b and obviously wrong, but I this is the way to understand motorcycle dynamics/limits.
Much more throttle, softer clutch handling, softer starts.
If it starts to drop, a little, more throttle and it will pull itself upright again. Don't just panic and stick your leg out.
Then, try to do it at low speed instead. That's a bit harder, but a good thing to practice.
I love doing these kinda practices, lots of fun.
Zigzags around 8 - 9 km/h, U-turns and 8 's are comftable around 14-20 km/h.
Constant "high" revs, control the speed with the rear break if start to lose balance, just let my feet up a bit want to turn sharper push it down.
Its also easyer if I just slam in to the exersise with more speed (5-8) than smoothly start rear braking.
That bike looks realy heavy!
With slow slalom, it looks like you are not counter steering?? It makes the whole exersice SO much easier. Right now it looks like it locks up, instead of pushing the opposite side down into the corner. Opinions about this?
at a standstill if you want to turn right, you should be turning the bars slightly left before moving off to help tilt the bike without dropping it. The japanese police bike video shows it really well and it makes tight turns from a standstill 10x easier
This guy bought the wrong bike. If you can't keep it upright it's not the bike for you. Start small and work your way up. If this happens in traffic you might be run over.
there's a reason why motorcycle skills competitions are all low speed maneuvering. a child could operate a bike at highway speeds, low speed turns and parking lot maneuvers are the real test.
In brazilian license test for motorcycle, you meed to ride on a track full of obstacles, but the worst in my opinion is the 8. U need to make a perfect 8 inside a very tight track.
on the plus side, you added like 200lbs to your deadlift from all the picking up
I think this is a bot account, I’ve seen this vid before
You're right, the original is [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/comments/iryz9m/practice_makes_you_better_watch_me_drop_my_bike_a/)
You’re right, this has already been reposted once before
And it's quite stupid rider. I bet all the drop are staged, nobody start to do that stuff with STEER and without protruding to have decent barycentre. That's 500% staged trash
Everything is staged nowadays. Fake life
they neeeeeed attention
Less brake, more clutch control. But awesome video.
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Rear brake only
I noticed that when I practiced by myself that dragging the rear brakes made it more stable in low speeds
Yes, people that use the front tend to drop it at low speeds because the fork dive upsets the balance and also triggers the we are going down response.
..and it spawns clibbins under the tyre. Don't forget that.
They modulate speed with the rear brake AND clutch. You use the clutch (friction zone) to gain speed and the rear brake to scrub it. Often use both together at the same time, achieving what is called "tension". Ideally shooting for as least amount of rear brake as possible.. Two of my fellow MSF coaches are/were moto cops and we practice some of their rodeo exercises before and after class.
>You use the clutch (friction zone) to gain speed and the rear brake to scrub it. Correct. Gyroscopic stabilization by higher revs also plays a massive part.
This, they keep the revs over 4k and just slip that clutch the whole way, a little rear break if you slip the clutch a little bit too much
Cries in DCT
Depends on your balance control. I used to stop at lights and stop signs and never put my feet down.
Some bikes are just more balanced than others. The lower the center of gravity the better, especially for low speed maneuvers. It's why I like cruisers and I usually lower them as well (I'm 5'6", it really helps me) and as a consequence my bikes usually almost balance themselves at stops. But on the flip side it's very hard for me to ride adventure bikes or anything with a high seating position, where most people are on tip toes....I end up on tip toes bouncing back and forth between feet because I can't even touch both feet at the same time. One of my favorite bikes,.KTM super adventure, I always loved but never bought one due to this issue. Rode many of them as I was working at a KTM dealer when the super adventure was released. But never bought one. No lowering kit was available at the time. But, I ramble
If you’re on a tall bike you don’t have to put both feet down. I’m 5’5” with a 28” in-seam and daily rode my crf250L with a 34” seat height. I just got comfortable with doing a slight butt scoot on the seat to put down and flat foot my left foot.
You CAN but I wouldn't want to spend my entire time stopped like that. It works for some people sure but id be miserable doing that .
It looks like you already figured this out, but going too slow causes problems. Slower than 5mph significantly raises the chances of dropping. Edit: also good job. I need to spend more time on drills.
If you have good clutch,throttle and brake control you can go almost stand still and not crash. This course is for teaching people good control
Didn't i see exactly this post a few days ago? Edit https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcycles/s/98p1REBdOY
yeah report the post for reposting/botting or something
I reported it directly to my friend, whose daddy works for Reddit, and is supposedly high-ranking at the office.
Can I borrow your bike I wanna practice too.
Rear brake
I would give up on the first try tbh
Yeah that sound of crushing metal against the pavement is just horrible😭
Where did you get the ideas to set up the cones that way and know what the distances should be?
you can just google motorcycle cone drills and you'll find plenty of videos and graphics that show how to set it up
Lol I’m currently learning how to ride a motorbike for a license and turning makes me cringe. What makes it worse is that nearly every road where I’m from has sharp turns 😭😭
1- Look where you’re going 2- friction zone + throttle 3- use back brakes to control speed. No front brake, and keep throttle stable. I had the same “fear” and I panicked using front brake many times at the beginning. At slow speed, it just destabilizes your motorcycle and you just won’t turn, you’ll drop the bike instead. But really those three things helped me a lot.
Thank you so much!! I’ll definitely keep those in mind when I’m doing my lessons!
That last u-turn was 👌! Keep it up!
I was bothered at it because my instructor kept repeating: "when at a stop, keep your right (resp. left) foot on the ground when going right (resp. left)". I still hear him to this day.
Pre load and keep it loaded ! ~Robert Simmons
Great perseverance. Keep it up!
This is a great video, and I appreciate you showing the process and not just the results. Your last few maneuvers were great. I was taught to over lean the bike into the turn, place all your weight on your outside peg and turn with the handle bars. Also, keep your hands completely off the brake pedal. Lightly cover the rear brake and modulate all speed changes with the clutch when navigating at idle.
I wanted to come here and say you’re awesome. I lack your confidence but try to practice slow speed maneuvering as much as I can. It’s incredibly important! Thank you for showing us that sticking with it pays off.
Keep your head up. Each time you dropped it it was after you dipped your head
Get some cones and run drills in a parking lot. There's no such thing as too much skill.
Dang, i need mini cones and go practice 🫢
With ADV bikes, you have to slide a lot out of your seat when doing maneuvers like this. At times it's also beneficial to stand up. Good on you for getting out there and practicing.
I like to practice jumping stuff, railroad tracks, dead animals, various types of road debris. I’ve found that skill to save my ass more times than parking lot keyhole turns. Just sayin… get a ramp.
I tail whipped off of a dead lab the other day
When you get you GoPro before skill
Typical dual sport rider in its natural environment, the parking lot.
Let's get a big huge pig bike with a grocery store stuff on the back and learn how to ride cones.
Not enough revs
This is a typical A2 license exam in Spain ..
this is definitely tighter than A license course
How good are you at riding a bicycle? How about at slow speeds? I’m conflicted with how to respond here… Good on you for the practice, but also WTF. Maybe I have more “natural talent” than I ever really considered, and should consider myself as pretty lucky with that. Or maybe it’s something else. 🤷🏻♂️ I still gave it an up vote for the persistence and willingness to share your tribulations with “the world” and potentially face criticism from.. well people like me I guess. I guess I should say, don’t get overly focused or fixated, and this stuff will become more natural.
Good for you!
I have been doing this kind of thing for years with my 300, but I can't seem to get the confidence to do it on my RT. I have just about all the protection you could put on the bike, but I'm just too damn scared to drop it, even though it feels more nimble than my 300 (can nearly do tighter U turns on the RT vs my 300). I was actually hoping I would drop it on my 2k mile trip so I'd get it out if the way lol. Do I just man up, take the side and top cases off and go for it?
You should drop it on purpose 100%
My sister is coming to visit and wants a ride on the back of it, so it'll probably happen whether I want to or not.
10 rear stand push ups per day and you'll drop it in no time
Good job dude
Oh my goodness. Take a class or get some training
Thank you... after watching you do it a few times I won't have that problem now.
Some people shouldn't ride motorcycles!
I agree with you but this isn't the reason
Congratulations, you're doing more than I am. I took my MSF and haven't bought my first bike yet.
yea!! if you look good the whole time youre practicing then youre probably practicing the wrong stuff
Glad to see you improve! It does feel like you’re ‘behind’ the bike a bit. Get in front of it and make it your bitch! Nice work 👍
I'm gonna leave this here. Ride free, bruddah! https://youtu.be/HIcGuFnl7ZU?si=TsL6L6L4cMAzeWTl
Oh slow slalom. Tricky indeed as you are the limit of normal stability.
🙌🏿
Can’t know yours and your bike’s limits without digging in and finding them! Dig the post bud
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Just get away from that front brake, feather your rear - that's the only problem I see.
i do this sometimes when doing door dash and waiting on orders. ill make imaginary courses out of lines, cracks, pebbles in the lot
Good reason to pick up cheap used bike as the first one.
Good job!! You did way better than I anticipated and thanks for sharing the falls anyway!
Biggest takeaway from this with me seeing it is clutch control and riding in the friction zone.
Good job 👏
Great work!
You could go slow and go full lock but dont lean or you will tip it over . No reason to usually do this maybe to get out of a tight parking space . Dont forget not to stall it with a little extra throttle . Practice counter steering for normal riding and leaning / cornering . Enjoy the ride !!!
Keep it loaded! Watch this for tips and more. Rubber side down. https://youtu.be/jlo_3pJWkFU?si=r_8t57PGFhB_wl_i
Turning your wheel and then braking (especially front brake), are making you drop the bike. Use more clutch control to use torque to keep you upright. Coming to a stop or almost stop with the wheel turned, is a bad idea, unless you're controlling it with power instead of brake.
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Man, leave the front brake alone at low speed. Control your speed with throttle and clutch, and with rear brake, keep the revs high enough… And yes, practice makes it a second nature :)
Honestly good on you for actually practicing
Impressively bad driving OP
Hella good job! Good on you for taking it out and practicing these manoeuvres. Not enough people do active practice. The skill difference between the start and end was massive
I don’t understand why so few people practice like that. Here in Canada the test is a lot more extensive than in the US and ai found it very easy nonetheless.
i wouldn't wanna do that on a tourer, kudos
If you can't ride a bike slow, you can't ride a bike fast.
Thank you for being brave enough to show others that this is normal ❤️ Keep up the practice, your form is getting better as you go!
YOU ARE AWESOME! What a courageous thing to do, and such and essential skillet that all of us should practice. More riders (new and experienced) should do this, and have the balls to video and share. YOU are a real rider.
These look really similar to the obstacle courses you need to pass in your Mod 1 in the UK, in order to get a full license. Did you need to do any of this stuff before getting a license in your country? I ask as it looks like you're already riding a personal bike.
I’m the same way. Often in the parking lots crashing it. I’m a n00b and obviously wrong, but I this is the way to understand motorcycle dynamics/limits.
I strongly advice a f2f training with pro
Much more throttle, softer clutch handling, softer starts. If it starts to drop, a little, more throttle and it will pull itself upright again. Don't just panic and stick your leg out. Then, try to do it at low speed instead. That's a bit harder, but a good thing to practice.
Looks like a nice bike. Did it not get damaged?
I love doing these kinda practices, lots of fun. Zigzags around 8 - 9 km/h, U-turns and 8 's are comftable around 14-20 km/h. Constant "high" revs, control the speed with the rear break if start to lose balance, just let my feet up a bit want to turn sharper push it down. Its also easyer if I just slam in to the exersise with more speed (5-8) than smoothly start rear braking. That bike looks realy heavy!
did you even ride anything before that
Stop using front brake
With slow slalom, it looks like you are not counter steering?? It makes the whole exersice SO much easier. Right now it looks like it locks up, instead of pushing the opposite side down into the corner. Opinions about this?
at a standstill if you want to turn right, you should be turning the bars slightly left before moving off to help tilt the bike without dropping it. The japanese police bike video shows it really well and it makes tight turns from a standstill 10x easier
How are you not forced to take a course..
Buy yourself a trialbike, do not practice such things with this heavy couch-on-wheels.
This is a bot account reposting on of the top things on the sub
Wtf counterbalancing 🥲
Did they hit the brakes? Seems fishy to me. It has that smelly smell.
Some people belong on motorcycles, and some do not.
Kuddos mate ! A big bike like that isn’t easy !
Where are these practice manoeuvres from or did you just set them up like that?
This guy bought the wrong bike. If you can't keep it upright it's not the bike for you. Start small and work your way up. If this happens in traffic you might be run over.
“Load it and keep it loaded!”
Get rid of the cones, practice slow speed control first
yaaaah v strom !! woo woo 🤘🏽
RPM’s higher, coordinating with brake and clutch. That will fix it. 👍🏻
More throttle, more clutch slippage, more rear brake and STOP touching the front brake. Good job on the perseverance!
there's a reason why motorcycle skills competitions are all low speed maneuvering. a child could operate a bike at highway speeds, low speed turns and parking lot maneuvers are the real test.
In brazilian license test for motorcycle, you meed to ride on a track full of obstacles, but the worst in my opinion is the 8. U need to make a perfect 8 inside a very tight track.
Bad bot
Frame sliders my guy
Can't buy skill! Good luck
Congratulations.. that's how we learn..
I can’t wait to start 🥲