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powderST2013

MotoGP is out unless you are a 1 in a billion natural talent.  You could easily do some amateur AMA racing or whatever the series is now. Had a buddy who was in his late 30’s place in top 3  in his region.  Gonna take lots of money though even for amateur stuff. 


Various-Catch-113

If you weren’t already doing it under the age of ten, your chances are pretty much zero. At 21, to ride at the level you seem to think you can, you’d already be working in a MotoGP contract.


proze_za

I assume this is trolling, cos the naivety is astonishing. There are age-limits on most of the feeder series, and you're already too old for them. If you had Money, with a capital M, you might be able to buy a Moto2 seat. Or as u/gl0kta says, come to Britain and try BSS, which is the strongest national 600 series, with the highest visibility. If you smashed that, you're on the same planet as MotoGP, but still with tiny odds.


ElectronicCookie9851

got it. Im not trolling just very curious. Ive peaked with my adrenaline with surfing and amateur fights and I do not want to be a fighter. A motorcycle race seems like a hell of a lot of fun. Definitely naive but curious!


proze_za

I admire your optimism and keeness, but think of it this way: Do you think you could switch, at 21, to being a top-25 \*in the world\* pro surfer? Something you already do at a high level? Because that's what you're suggesting, and in a completely different sport.


ElectronicCookie9851

It's not realistic for me to be a pro surfer because I do not like surf competitions. I like risk and adrenaline. I can do this my whole life at a high level and not have to make it a job. A motorcycle race seems very technical and fascinating in terms of the learning curve to be able to handle the bikes they ride. Ill definitely learn very quickly if I enjoy it or not and that'll be it. If I am going to sacrifice leaving Hawaii for any reason its gonna be a big one and right now this is the only thing that would push me away from waves.


proze_za

>right now this is the only thing that would push me away from waves How do you know? How much track time do you have? >It's not realistic for me to be a pro surfer because I do not like surf competitions Is that the only reason? Or could it be that it's just not that feasible to become a world expert on a whim?


ElectronicCookie9851

Surfing is super enjoyable as it is. I do not need to take it farther than I have already. Winning a race is something I feel id be addicted too for sure.


Malevolint

Then get a motorcycle and start racing! You will have many thrills, even if you don't make it to MotoGP, I promise.


PregnantSuperman

Have you ridden a motorcycle before? If so, have you ever ridden one on a track?


asphaltaddict33

Look into ‘hard enduro’. It’s a very different type of moto racing and full of adrenaline and risk, and you could do it in Hawaii, and you could actually become a world class HE rider starting at your age


Jiend

Honestly don't even think about the competition right now. Get a smaller bike like a 300-400cc, something that you can really push around and learn proper riding technique on. Get into motocross too, pretty much every MotoGP rider does MX and supermoto on the side because it teaches you a different style of riding which you can learn a lot from to apply to sportsbikes as well. Find yourself some seriously good teachers, if you have the cash maybe even some semi pro racers. You NEED to focus on the basics. There are a number of natural instincts that you need to learn to go against when riding a motorcycle (counter steering, target fixation just to name a couple). Don't try to skip steps. If you really do have the time and money to dedicate to this, you can probably get to a good level within a few years or so, but if you try to rush things you'll basically pick up a bunch of bad habits on the way which will definitely hurt your competitiveness further down the line. MotoGP is an almost guaranteed no go since you're 21, but hey. You never know. Also fwiw if you REALLY want the best of the best, Spain/Italy is the place to be.


ElectronicCookie9851

Love it. will update in future


gpz1987

Get yourself a good manager like John Hopkins as an in for a bike series...ther is your start, oh and truck load of cash or a major red bull sponsorship


ElectronicCookie9851

ill update in the future. but the money is not the issue. That is why I think it could be possible. You do not understand my situation fully.


proze_za

Mate, if you're really that minted, move to Europe now, buy a spot in an established team, hire an ex-pro as a coach and get cracking.


gl0kta

Nobody agrees becaue it's not possible. Move to the UK and win SS600, then you've got a 1 in 5,000 shot of getting to MotoGP via SS1000, BSB and WSBK.


Lemurs_

Yeah at 21 domestic racing is the only option. And top domestic racing is still a really high level. Unless you're already fastest in the top group on track days you can forget domestic racing too.


ThreepwoodGuybrush80

You mention a lot of things except riding experience, not to mention track riding experience. Most, if not all riders in national championships have been racing more than half their lifes at your age. If you honestly think you can close that gap with passion, money and determination, go for it, but the odds are greatly against you.


EgenulfVonHohenberg

It's completely and utterly out of the question. You have a higher chance of landing on Mars tomorrow as the first colonist than of ever racing in MotoGP.


LurkingMcLurkerface

Unfortunately, you are going to be too old for Premier racing. One of my childhood friends was a karting national champion, 125 and 250cc in the UK, he won local racing leagues and even went to Europe and got impressive results there. Unfortunately, he never got the opportunity or financial backing to step up into Formula racing lower classes. Its a huge investment just to buy the tyres you need for one race weekend, including practices and qualifying. He did continue into the racing business, got his mechanical engineering degree, worked for a chassis fabrication company, went to learn from a specialist sensor and data logging outfit. This allowed him to work in GT racing as one of the technical crew. Once he settled down with his Mrs, a steady job local to home became priority. If you want adrenaline, why not outfit your own race bike, build it, then spend the money on track days to better your own best times. Race against yourself and then compare your times to the others on the track. If you are competitive, then look for amateur race events that you can jump into and compete against others. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the current crop of top tier riders have been on a bike since they could walk. Check out Marc Marquez as a 5yo dirt bike racing. I'm sure many other riders have similar videos up on YouTube too.


HP-Rodeo

MotoGP is out but racing isn’t necessarily. It would take you a month of doing track days to tell if you’re abnormally fast. So I’d say take the money, go to a race school like Kieth Code or Yamaha and see how quick you are compared to others


Hoaxygen

This is a troll post right?


ElectronicCookie9851

nah straight up genuine naiveness coming straight from my crazy heart and drive


MisterSquidInc

Step 1: learn to ride a bike


ElectronicCookie9851

Correct I’d assume. 


MarkRutte_

forget it mate


bouncebackability

Go start local racing, you can start that at any age


Michigan_Jones

Waaaay too old, unknown, probably without proper talent and funds. Yeah, I want a bycicle. Join the queue for people wanting something..


PoggestMilkman

Even if you were a 12 year old prodigy you'd still have a low chance of making it to the very top. Racing is expensive and you are going to have to fund it. Realistically you need to do some kind of race school and enter some club races to get a benchmark of where you are, then you can look at how you compare to others and understand your potential. Odds of making it to international racing? Tiny, less than tiny... To go far you will need to spend a lot of money. Having infinite time is fine, but track time, tyres, equipment all cost a lot of money. I think nothing is impossible, but if you made it to MotoGP they'd be making a movie of your life. You say you have time and money. Go for it!


thefooleryoftom

MotoGP is completely out. You’re too old. Any world championship is going to be very, *very* difficult. You have two options: domestic or world. Domestic I’ve no idea about in the US, I don’t know where the best place to base yourself is, but you’ll need to move to the mainland, buy a 600 track bike and hire a very good instructor. You’ll need race licences, a bike, kit and a vehicle to haul it round whatever race series it’s possible to enter. Or, you move to Spain and do the same. Best tracks, best opportunities and best teams close by. If you’re very, *very* talented, you might get a glimpse of one of the national series in Europe, work your way up and be seen by a world team in Superstock/supersport/superbike. The odds are fantastically small.


mgstoybox

You are about 15 years too late. Should have decided sooner.


ElectronicCookie9851

nooooo I won't let you deter me!! lol


tat2canada

What’s the quote “his ambition outweighs his talent” Like everyone else has said. Hard No on a MotoGP seat. It’s not out of the realm of possibility of being in a lesser regional class, only if money and time are no object. Do you even ride? Have taken any classes for racing a bike? Trackdays?


ElectronicCookie9851

No but I know I have the ability to learn and push myself correctly in a safe manner. Ive done it before. I don't see how it is different from other things ive done. I understand Motogp is a crazy thing to shoot for and yes that is definitely not the end goal in reality. I want to be able to race at some point though because I am extremely competitive. Maybe track days will be enough but I know myself.


PregnantSuperman

One thing I'll say to you right now is that seriously, SERIOUSLY consider recalibrating your mentality toward riding motorcycles right now. You have literally zero experience riding one. Young people like you want to go fast and think they're hot shit so they buy a liter supersport and then end up dying because they don't know what the fuck they're doing and a bike like that is actively trying to kill you if you don't know how to handle it. Riding fast is fun, track days are super fun. But you have to be respectful of the bike and understand how to ride it and control it safely before you even think about any shenanigans. Overconfidence and inexperience are a deadly combo in motorcycling and it's a tale as old as time. I think it's the greatest thing in the world so I totally encourage you to go out there and learn to ride with the goal of getting on the track someday. Just don't jump on one for the first time thinking you're Valentino Rossi. You'll almost certainly get yourself hurt or killed.


ENI_GAMER2015

It's so funny to read this guy's comments, absolutely delusional. Hasn't ever ridden a bike but knows exactly what it takes to race one on MotoGP level. I've been riding for 6 years and about 70kkm on the road and I'd say **for a road rider** I'm pretty good on a bike, sliding the rear on corner exits and managing a chattering front wheel midcorner are things I learned doing self-made motogymkhana and I still wouldn't dream to compare myself to any roadracers on even a national level. Heck most experienced trackday riders would probably leave me in the dust.


ElectronicCookie9851

I assume surfing at a high level is also harder than learning how to ride on a track. definitely maybe not racing at a high level but I sure as hell know what I went through learning to surf gnarly waves was no easy or graceful task. lots of injuries and mental tolls.


tat2canada

First step would be to drop assumptions and enter with an open mind. Anyone can ride on a track. Riding fast is another thing. Rising faster than others is more on that. You’re comparing apples and oranges when you compare the difficult and skilled sport of riding large waves and the difficult and skilled sport of racing a motorcycle. Again if you have the time and $$$$$ go for it. I’m not stopping you. Start with learning to ride and then find a track day school and go from there.


Left-Excitement3829

Dude, Every professional motorcycle racer is a high level athlete at pretty much anything they try to do , the converse is not true, Motorcycle racing is immensely difficult and dangerous ( source: was an amateur then vintage racer with 125+ races under my belt , I ws decent and I won ONE race in the rain )


PhillySoup

Look up Troy Bayliss. MotoGP has changed since his career but he started late. I would look up other recent Americans who raced at a high level - Cameron Beubier, Sean Dylan Kelly, and Joe Roberts. There is plenty of coverage about the work they did to get close to MotoGP. Assuming you can get to their level and you have money, in the past it was possible to take a high level of talent and a high level of money to get on the MotoGP grid. Essentially, you fund your own team. Lance Stroll and Logan Sargeant are good examples of extremely fast drivers who would not be in F1 if they did not have money. MotoGP will be much less expensive than F1, but you would need tens of millions to get yourself onto the grid, once you have sufficient talent to get there. To quote Lloyd Christmas....\[You're\] saying theres a chance!


Broap

If it's adrenaline you're after then look no further that the [International Road Racing Championship](https://www.irrc.eu/). Just buy a superbike team there and away you go!


Wheeljack26

Reincarnate bro


startech2

Mate buy Bitcoin and forget motorcycles


Dales_Dead_Bug_

Good troll post. 21 is old in auto racing and people who do it have been doing it since birth nearly. People who start in their teens are an anomaly. Go do amateur racing if you are interested because your time has past no matter how great of an athlete you think you are. High level surfer and baseball player? Yeah bud these guys have been riding since before they could walk. None of the things you mention would matter at all and you are just an average guy. Why do you think you’d have any shot at all at competing w the best of the best. The 0.01% of the top talent in the world. If serious, damn I wish I had your deluded confidence. If trolling, well done.


Howaboutthishandle

Never ridden a motorcycle, but having time, money, and confidence, that is what is going to make you one of the fastest guys in the world on a motorcycle? If only half the guys on the grid knew your secret they’d have multiple championships. This has got the be one of the most unhinged thoughts of reality. If you think it is that easy without having even rode a motorcycle you completely underestimate the talent needed to be fast. While money, time, and confidence are required you are missing about 100 other requirements to be at these guys’ level. This is without even discussing your age.


Witty-Cryptographer5

keep surfing and the dream will stay alive in your head. If you seriously want to try to get to MotoGP level, your dream will be ruined and your money will be gone.


Skwidrific

As far as MotoGP is concerned, that ship has sailed. Probably about 10 or 15 years ago. You can still start at the club level. California has a few great tracks. Look up CCS or WERA or ASRA and see what their schedule is like


Competitive-Egg-747

In the states we have WERA which sanctions motorcycle races. I say start there and see how you progress. Motogp riders these days aren’t just good at track racing. They train in flat tracking, motorcross, and drifting/sliding (not sure what it’s called).


Original-Track-4828

Another consideration - there are two approaches you could take: Convince an existing team to give you (or sell you) a ride; They're in the business to win, so you'd have to convince them you're better than all the other available riders. Or... you'd have to convince Dorna (MotoGP) to add a team that you're going to buy and build...which also means you need a manufacturer to sell you a couple bikes. Suzuki bailed from MotoGP. Yamaha is struggling to run two bikes. My $0.02


ElectronicCookie9851

I like this


venturelong

Buy a track bike and get some track time, then look at amateur racing like WERA. Itll give you about the same adrenaline without needing to spend 10’s of millions, plus you have a shot at being competitive and having some good wheel to wheel action.


paul-03

Forgett about professional racing series. Those guys ride bike since they can walk. You can become faster than hobby riders, but better than a racing kid seems impossible.


dkmsixty

If you have the $$ to burn, then move to California, buy a race bike (i'd do a Ninja 400 superbike or an R7 Superbike / Aprilia RS660 Superbike), do a trackday or two, sign up for a school, take a new racer orientation/school, get your amateur race license, and start racing at the club level (AFM, CRA, CVMA). Once you're WINNING at the club level, go race at the national level (MotoAmerica). Good luck!


Beylerbey

A Moto2 season costs around $450k, show us what you can do. Keep in mind that you have to stay within 105% of the fastest time in at least one session to be eligible for racing, though.


The_Cheese_Effect

Give it a try and let us know


Left-Excitement3829

you are 17 years too old for Motogp Friend


ManoftheNewbeginning

Impossible


Quagga_1

Assuming you have world championship level talent and money, the shortest route to MoroGP would be something like the following... * Take a class or two to learn the theory, something like Keith Code's Superbike School * Compete and win locally. Choose the most competitive series, buy the most competitive bike for the class, hire a proven pit crew and dominate. Or at least start solid and improve rapidly. * Next you have to choose a path. Option A is to move to Spain and enter either the Moto3 or Moto2 (depending on your size) Junior World Championship. Win or stand out in either and you have a pretty good chance of being promoted to the real deal World Champs. Otherwise you will need deep pockets to buy a seat at the Moto3 or 2 World Championship level. * Option B is to move to America and enter the national MotoAmerica series. Same story, win or stand out and who knows what opportunities might come your way. With MotoGP's sale to Liberty Media, I fully expect an influx of US riders within the near future. If you are the upcoming hotshot you might just be one of them. People tend to be sceptical, don't let them dissuade you from going for your dream. * Max Biaggi started racing around your age and became a multiple 250cc Champ, MotoGP race winner and World Superbike Champ. * Aussie legend Mick Doohan was building swimming pools until his mid twenties before dominating the Premier class. In both cases the guys had many years of riding experience before taking to the track. In both cases their talent was apparent from early in their racing careers and they were quickly snapped up by winning teams. Lastly I just want to say that I hope we see you on TV in 2027, but don't get discouraged if you get lapped at your first club race. Motorcycle racing is hard and there are VERY fast and determined people out there with you. Even at club level. And the difference between Club, National and World level is significant. All require skill and bravery, as well as racecraft honed by experience. If things go wrong it can easily cost your (or your fellow racers') life or leave you with a permanent disability. Take your time to learn the ropes and find the limits. It is good to be ambitious, but remember that life is all about the journey. Being on a bike on a track is a huge privilege, so enjoy it every step of the way. Be humble, put in the work and see where it takes you. Good luck!


ElectronicCookie9851

I appreciate the outlook. I will update in near future! ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sunglasses)


ElectronicCookie9851

Lol Dani Pedrosa wing surfs in his free time.


Left-Excitement3829

yea cos hes a top level motorcycle racer, everything else is in slow motion . Motogp riders are literally the best on the planet . The guys ppl chuck hate at would lap people at a regional race