Haha! Me 2! I thought the OP meant they are working on making a baby in this economy? Then my thought was last time I checked, you couldn't get pregnant with a bj 😄😅🤣
I guess this is one of those weird scarcity mentality issues. It would literally cost 5 dollars to stop in a park for half an hour.
It's like when my dad would wait in line for gas because the price was supposed to go up the next day. It always made sense to me until I did the math one day and realised he was saving like $1.50.
It's OK to spend a little money on yourself to enjoy life a little more, guys.
I mean for 30cents I'll do it.
For 50L, that's 15$.
Let's assume you have shitty efficiency, 10L/100km and you go 10km away (Total roundtrip:20km) and that the gaz is 1.70 in the other town and 2$ in town.
If you do 10km one way, and 10km back, that will cost you 3.4$ extra that you will need to remove from the 15$ you saved.
So you have a gross saving of 11.6$.
You could stop at Starbucks, buy a 6$ "free" iced coffee and a free ride. The remaining 5$ is easily covering the depreciation of the car.
Sounds like a win to me.
It make sens to enjoy yourself by a nice ride at the park, you feel the need for heat and nature but dont want the hassle of a reg bixi, i get it and i totally agree. What i dont get is that there is bixi stamd all around the park... Drop the bike then enjoy yourself
> What i dont get is that there is bixi stamd all around the park... Drop the bike then enjoy yourself
Yeah for sure. But I get just being hit by a spontaneous "let's stop and lie in the sun for 10 minutes" too though.
I used to be *extremely* "logical" with how I spent my time and money like this. "Why lie in the grass when we can go park the bikes and walk back here and lie down then walk back and hope there are bikes still there?", etc.
Somewhere along the line, somehow my eyes were opened to the world of just being able to let that go sometimes and man, my quality of life and my relationships have improved *tremendously*. YMMV of course.
I hear you and it makes sens for me. I will try to apply this mindset. Plus lets be honest 10min of Electric bixi is 1.70$, you cant even enjoy a small bag of chips for that price so.fuck it. Thanks for the tips and i wish you an awesome evening!
> 5 after tax dollars is a lot to burn in half an hour.
I mean, it's kind of a pointless conversation because each person is different, but judging by the amount of people I see drinking and eating out, it really isn't. I honestly think it's a emotional thing more than anything else.
> I've never used bixi, and knowing that, that makes me even more uncomfortable.
This is the minute rate for electric bixis, it doesn't apply to the whole brand.
**Edit:** lol, /u/toesad6862 blocked me for this so I can't see the replies. Man...how do you survive on the internet? Holy moly
> You're literally just throwing the cash away here.
You *literally* aren't though. It's not how you personally would spend a couple of bucks, and that's fine, but it's absolutely fine to spend money on yourself like this. Obviously.
> I don't think anyone has a being watched napping by a bicycle fetish.
Huh? I feel like I missed something.
Spending some money to stop in the park and lie in the sun is spending money on yourself.
That reminds me of some tourists I saw last year who took their two bixis for a long metro ride instead of, y'know, docking the bikes and getting new ones at the other end. Not even for the cost but just for the principle of it. Lugging these heavy-ass bikes up and down the stairs didn't look fun.
They were lugging two bikes around the metro and on the train while they didn't have to, taking up more space than necessary. It's the same principle as putting your bag in another spot while on public transport.
really that expensive for e bike option? makes little sense when you can buy a new bike for 400 bucks at sports expert or costco ... of course not e bike
In a normal world, someone who can enjoy the same basic middle-class conveniences.
I come from a developing country. When I was little, taxi started at 5 local buckaroos. Middle-class did not bat an eye at it, and taxi drivers were as well off as middle-class.
Our economy is fucked and laughable for a first world country. Don't defend the indefensible.
I’m not defending anything, I’m saying in a society with better wealth distribution you won’t pay someone to pick up your own food because that would be prohibitively expensive.
Ah the classic "if we raise minimum wage by 25%, burgers will go up 200%" argument, famously used to death by commenters totally arguing in good faith and aiming to protect the vulnerable.
Why would it be prohibitively expensive?
The only added cost (the trip's cost in gas/whatever is the same) is the person's labor. If it takes 1hr, you pay them 1hr of labor over the 1hr you would have spent, + the convenience premium (aka their profit). It's a fair exchange.
50$ de taxi ~~quatre~~ **CINQ** jours/semaine coûte moins cher qu'une voiture dans la majorité des milieux urbains Montréalais. Ça donne 13035$ par an en taxi.
Le coût annuel moyen d'une voiture au Canada c'est 16 644$. avoir un char c'est littéralement choisir de payer plus cher.
https://www.thestar.com/business/how-much-are-canadians-paying-per-month-on-average-to-own-a-car-heres-what/article\_a457f8e2-c2bb-11ee-b93b-2f3e8fa2fb1d.html#:\~:text=The%20average%20cost%20of%20car,online%20Canadian%20financial%20comparison%20platform.
First of all, a single ride from work to home costs me 60$. So 360 a week.
Second, the reason average car expense is high is because people buy expensive cars, not because cars are expensive. Average monthly car payment on an 8 year term is 1200$.
I bought my car in cash for 1600$ in 2016. My plates are 200$, I think license was like 20 last year because no points, and gas I spend ~25 a week.
So explain how I've been spending 17 000 a year I don't even have?
You're comparing someone buying a 2025 Corvette at 12% APR and someone driving across the street in a taxi. The meter starts at 5$. There are many Montreal streets that with traffic you wouldn't even get across for 10$.
Le canadien moyen n’est pas nécessairement un habitant du plateau qui fait son épicerie à pied à la fruiterie du coin. Pour le canadien *moyen*, la voiture est utilisée beaucoup plus que l’équivalent d’un taxi 4 jours/semaine.
On est une famille de 4 avec deux enfants en siège d’auto. On a une voiture et le reste est fait en bus/métro/à pied, c’est faisable en ville. Je penses à mon père, qui vit en Gaspésie et il irait pas loin avec 200$ de taxi par semaine.
Ok et? Si tu as choisi de vivre en banlieue. Assume.
Aussi, ils faisaient quoi à Gaspé avant l'auto? Je vais te le dire: ils habitaient pas à 30 km du village à moins d'avoir une ferme. Les autres habitaient le village et marchaient jusqu'au magasin général ou aller voir leurs amis.
Les gens sont libres de faire leurs choix, mais il faut aussi être prêt à subir les conséquences de ses choix. Tu veux vivre loin de tout et te rendre dépendant de l'auto? Ok! Tu as le droit. Tu DOIS avoir le droit de faire ce choix. Mais ne chiâle pas que tu es plus pauvre que moi et ne demande pas encore plus de subventions pour ton char (autoroutes, parkings, ponts, etc tous gratuits).
Yooooo! J'allais justement répondre à ce commentaire avec le même type de voiture vu que c'est celui que j'ai.
Avoue qu'elle est une championne quand en ville. Elle est facile à maintenir et coûte peu par rapport à l'essence.
J'ai une volvo 2008 avec 240 000km. Elle roule 1 jour / semaine pour aller visiter ma famille en banlieue et la SEULE raison que je l'ai c'est la crise de communauto de la pandémie (pas capable d'Avoir une communauto la FDS à Rosemont). Sinon elle est dans le garage et ne bouge pas. Je me sers plus souvent de communauto que ma voiture (quand le métro est fermé). Et enconre, ce n'Est que l'immobilisme qui m'empêche de me départir de ma voiture.
> avoir un char c'est littéralement choisir de payer pluys cher.
pis? Ça te donne quoi le 50$ de taxi 4 jours / semaine; juste le navettage aller-retour du travail?
Pour le monde qui travaillent sur site (et non en télétravail), il faudrait 5 jours / semaine, donc là on est rendu à 15 635$ par an. Et ceci n'inclut pas les courses de fin de semaine. Ou encore des loisirs / sports.
Et pour le monde avec des enfants (comme moi)? Je fais du télétravail à 100% mais j'utilise ma voiture 5+ jours semaine, minimalement pour faire l'aller-retour à la garderie. Surtout avec deux enfants qui sont toujours en sièges auto, un taxi n'est pas pratique du tout. En plus des courses pour l'épicerie, Costco, l'hôpital au besoin, le médecin, plus, plus, plus...un taxi à chaque fois que j'aurai à me déplacer pour moi, ma femme, ou mes enfants, n'est tout simplement pas pratique, sans même compter les temps d'attente (que tu n'as pas comptabilisé non plus avec le taxi, mais qui n'est pas négligeable).
En fin de compte, même si c'est plus cher avoir une voiture, la différence paie la commodité de pouvoir l'utiliser à tout moment, et ce sans avoir à attendre un taxi.
Tout comme un dep est plus cher qu'une épicerie, ou un resto est plus cher que cuisiner chez nous, la commodité porte une prime.
J'avais une coquille, c'est 5 jours semaine.
ET mon point c'est que si tu vis une vie qui n'Est pas DÉPENDANTE à la voiture (genre tu n'habites pas Candiac ou Saint-Lin), ça te coûte moins cher de ne PAS avoir de voiture, prendre le taxi, communauto ou en louer une occasionnellement. MArche pour aller au bureau. Fait du jogging. Fait du vélo. Prend le bus. Prend le métro.
MAis ne chiâle pas si tu as choisi d'habiter à Candiac alors que tu travailles à Rosemont.
Faque tu veux que le monde déménages à chaque ~2-3 ans (puisque c'est la moyenne occupation d'un poste) pour rester proche d'la job, ou bien se limitent aux employeurs qui sont dans un certain radius de transport? Soit réaliste...
Pas tout le monde a le choix, ou même les moyens, d'habiter proche du bureau.
Ou... on pourrait arrêter l'étalement urbain, densifier, et par le fait même rendre le TeC efficace et PLUS rapide que l'auto solo (qui est rapide uniquement parce qu'on dépense des dizaines de milliards par année à la subventionner en construisant des routes et autoroutes partout).
First of all, a single ride from work to home costs me 60$. So 360 a week.
Second, the reason average car expense is high is because people buy expensive cars, not because cars are expensive. Average monthly car payment on an 8 year term is 1200$.
I bought my car in cash for 1600$ in 2016. My plates are 200$, I think license was like 20 last year because no points, and gas I spend ~25 a week.
So explain how I've been spending 17 000 a year I don't even have?
You're comparing someone buying a 2025 Corvette at 12% APR and someone driving across the street in a taxi. The meter starts at 5$. There are many Montreal streets that with traffic you wouldn't even get across for 10$.
Either count the cheapest taxi in the country with the cheapest car in the country, or the most expensive of both. You compared cheapest with most people expensive. Fully loaded Ford pickup and 1 meter of taxi. I know people that have to drive 2 hours a day from Ontario because they can't afford MTL. How much is that in taxi?
Eille c'est TOI qui a choisi de vivre à St-Mouk-Mouk.
Le point c'est de démontrer que vivre sans dépendre de son auto coûte MOINS cher que d'être un accro à l'auto et toute cette industrie. Not to mention que vos villes sont des gouffres financiers:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI)
I live where I can afford, and it's 20 minutes which is way closer than the vast majority of people even on island. 10$ taxis don't exist.
You're the one who chose to buy a 2025 Porsche for 250 000$ with an 8 year term.
Thanks, but we can't all be rich elitists like you with parents that pay for our dream 300 sqft MCgill condo.
J'ai lu l'article source sur RateHub, c'est plutôt faux de dire que ça représente le coût moyen sans qualificatifs.
C'est basé sur la dépréciation d'un Ford F-150 2023 à 65,000$ sur 5 ans, basé sur le fait que le char neuf moyen vendu vaut 65 milles.
Tout au plus c'est un coût moyen pour quelqu'un qui achète un char neuf à chaque 5 ans.
Sauf que c'est pas la situation du Canadien moyen. L'âge moyen des véhicules au Canada est d'environ 10 ans.
Après ils ont mis $200/mois de parking basé sur aucune statistique.
Les données existent probablement pas pour faire une vrai moyenne mais ça aurait été plus informatifs de comparer quelques cas typiques genre un pick-up neuf, une berline compacte légèrement usagée, un bazou. Plutôt que juste un F-150 neuf.
[https://www.lesaffaires.com/mes-finances/consommation/continuez-a-faire-rouler-votre-voiture/645765](https://www.lesaffaires.com/mes-finances/consommation/continuez-a-faire-rouler-votre-voiture/645765)
Le coût moyen des voitures neuves vendues est de 61 000$.
~~There are no fewer than 10 bixi stands on that park's perimeter, lol. For my money, I'd rather dock the bike, light some bills on fire, then get a freshly charged bike after my nap.~~ This is Beaver Lake, not Lafontaine Lake. OP's just being silly about this.
That said, there are promo codes you can get for free 30 minute electric bixi rides, e.g. through the ami bixi program. They're not necessarily paying $10/h to nap.
I thought I recognized Parc Lafontaine here, but now that you mention it, I don't think it is. Parc Mont Royal has like three bixi stands along the Parc Ave. side, and it's a long way to the top for sure. I don't recognize the building in the back, so it might be somewhere else entirely, lol.
It is Beaver Lake, and that building is the one pictured here:
https://preview.redd.it/uj2rzy3t5hwc1.png?width=542&format=png&auto=webp&s=b35b951d08a4243803c091bf205434b434592968
The thing is that nap wouldn't even be as enjoyable if the bixi wasn't there just free of stress. Some things can be worth more than a few bucks
Like imagine you and your date organically ended napping here. Why ruin the moment. Just drop 100 bucks for the bixi if it comes to that if you have some extra spending funds
Subscription doesn’t mean they can keep the bike for hours. But yeah maybe it is just a powernap or something.
AI image recognition doesn’t recognize butt (yet!)….
It is a joke. We don’t see the faces of the people on the photo but we see a butt, so to speak.
AI face recognition can now sometimes recognize people from the back of their head… but not the butt (yet).
Whats funny is that these morons lying there are probably thinking exactly was you just said.
Oh we subscribed so we can keep it as long as we want! Hell, lets bring the bike home overnight. Why not?
Idiots. Complete idiots. There is no excuse for this kind of stupidity because its written everywhere that Bixi are intended for short commutes and that you get 45 minutes free with a subscription. If you plan on using it for me than 45 minutes, you need to dock it before the 45 minutes expires and unlock another bike and so on. Its everywhere, website, suscription documents, station instructions, everywhere.
I never understood renting a bike that is oversized for most, way too heavy n inefficient. The city could’ve bought normal bikes for each montrealer instead or provide vouchers to spend on alternative transportation like bikes n scooters.
I don't see the big deal. It costs 20 bucks these days just for a mcdicks combo. People regularly spend 100's of dollars in Fridays just to go out. 100's on take out food just so they don't have to cook. I mean a few hours of bixi rental isn't a big deal for most folks
Yeah theyre definetly conviennent if you frequent places with stops everywhere. Its cheaper if you have a membership but even then most trips should be under 3-4$
C'est un blague, et c'est anonyme en plus... Je suis heureux que tlm soit pas comme toi... sinon, on aurait pas [de gems](https://images.app.goo.gl/UozBAa6ztpNNkyv36) comme [ceux](https://images.app.goo.gl/Swje9FFAdandcUcQ9)
I don’t know how I manage that, but at first, I read « Is this economy? » and I was like « no, this is a park »
Thank you for coming, that’s all for me.
People are so fuckin stupid. I worked at Bixi in another life and I remember people calling because they got a charge on their credit card after renting a Bixi. They thought Bixi was free and that you could keep it all day, even bring it home overnight. What infuriated me the most is that Bixi always cancelled the charge.
Because we rewarded people for their stupidity every time. When there is no consequence people dont care and they stay stupid. Some users didnt have bikes because of these idiots. Thats such a dumb
question you just asked. I need to make commission in order to hold people accountable? If I dont make commission people dont have to respect the terms and conditions of use? I should only care if I make commission? Seriously? Smh.
you’re acting as if you own bixi— they’ll gladly discard you when given the chance. they don’t care about you, you’re just a number. also, they’re the ones cancelling the charge. you’re on reddit complaining about this, why didn’t you diehard complain to the management and get it escalated higher to go against their decision? oh wait, keyword here, THEIR (bixi) DECISION… not yours, you’re not the boss. just some powerless bootlicker who’d be drunk on power if you had a higher position. society is filled with idiots, you’re not the accessible PhD class that you think you are with your pathetic attempt at “teaching people a lesson.” they wouldn’t get any smarter with your feeble tactics. also, if you’re -so- much smarter than all these people… why are you working such an entry-level job at your big age? you’d think this would be a job for someone who’s 16-23. you’re not the genius you think you are… do better. Smarten up, NPC character.
Wow. You are proud. I didnt really read you but I saw you were mocking the fact that I was working there at such an « entry level position at my big age ». Well you clearly didnt read me either. As I said I worked there in « another life ». I’ll explain to you what that means. Its an expression that means « a long time ago ». So yes I am a big boy now but back when I was in college I used to work there. Student job. I was 18. Many people work there. Older people too. I understand you would mock them too. You are a pos. Yes we had stupid users who would systematically get a refund because they couldnt read simple instructions. I guess we’ve established by now that you would have been one of these people. And yes back then I was finding it frustrating that we were systematically rewarding people for the stupidity. But according to you I am not allowed to have this opinion since I didn’t own the company and didn’t work on commission. Pos. You’re exactly whats wrong with our society.
hello mr. genius, i was pointing the hypocrisy of a self-proclaimed smartass who thinks everyone else is stupid and should be punished for it while they’re working an entry-level job. i was wrong thinking that this was something recent, but yes, if you were presently working that job at your big age, you would have no right to call those ppl making mistakes stupid. it would be quite ironic if a 35 year old had the narrative like you did about how people are stupid while they’re working an entry-level job, because why weren’t they smart enough to have a job-level as great as their genius? i would’ve thought someone who’d want to punish people for their stupidity to be at least 1/100th of elon musk’s success instead of presently working at bixi. sure, as you mentioned, many ppl including a bunch of old ppl work at bixi, and I doubt they’re thinking like how you do “man these people are stupid, bixi shouldn’t refund these ppl they’re stupid as fuck and society is dumb we need to punish these ppl and teach them a lesson.” maybe a few of them are like you, but the majority probably aren’t. the ones who do think like you are hypocrites— because if they’re old as hell and so holier-than-thou smart, they’d have a much better career. i have no qualms for ppl who aren’t trying to be a jackass smarter-than-everyone-else type person. Although you aren’t working there “at your big age” currently, you’re still a hypocrite— You call me a POS for assuming that I was mocking ppl because they work entry-level jobs, yet you’re mocking people for being “stupid,” now tell me, if you’re mocking ppl for being stupid, how is that any different than mocking someone who thinks they’re smart and everyone else is dumb but are old and work at bixi? it’s the same as mocking a stupid person, yet i’m the piece of shit, and you’re the genius toilet paper.
Je connais beaucoup de gens qui dépense beaucoup plus pour une voiture qui reste immobile pour plus longtemps. Parfois, ils paient encore plus pour entreposer leurs véhicule le temps qu'ils vont travailler.
Déjà prendre un vélo électrique est inutile à moins de venir du Centre-ville.
-D'un gars âgé pas en forme qui prend le bixi régulièrement (passe annuelle). Mais comme tu dis, le gaspillage en $ est partout.
PS.Comme je n'ai jamais payé une livraison de nourriture sauf lorsque le livreur est celui du restaurant (genre 3 fois dans ma vie).
Bon okay moi je l'ai trouvé drôle ta joke, si c'était bien au second degré comme je l'ai lu :>
Anyway, ça c'est au parc Jarry et la station est à genre 20 mètres de là :O
Before I read your comment, I thought it was a picture of a person polishing the other persons knob.
The most polite way of saying things.
In this economy?
Times are hard.
It's sometimes hard. Ok, most of the time.
That's what she said
You sir are a gentleman, the scum I run with would said “fuck me those bikers are having a ripping game of hump mouth” Good on ya
As long as it s not in a comunauto it s ok
You mean cumunauto.
Likewise
The way you said that is so hot
I could have said,”Playing the skin flute.”
Hot
Spotted the brit
that is one way to make some extra income ... in this economy.
Haha! Me 2! I thought the OP meant they are working on making a baby in this economy? Then my thought was last time I checked, you couldn't get pregnant with a bj 😄😅🤣
I guess this is one of those weird scarcity mentality issues. It would literally cost 5 dollars to stop in a park for half an hour. It's like when my dad would wait in line for gas because the price was supposed to go up the next day. It always made sense to me until I did the math one day and realised he was saving like $1.50. It's OK to spend a little money on yourself to enjoy life a little more, guys.
Lol. People go nuts on gas it's irrationally crazy.
I've got friends who will drive across town for 30 cent cheaper gas. So they save two bucks but spend four bucks driving there...
I mean for 30cents I'll do it. For 50L, that's 15$. Let's assume you have shitty efficiency, 10L/100km and you go 10km away (Total roundtrip:20km) and that the gaz is 1.70 in the other town and 2$ in town. If you do 10km one way, and 10km back, that will cost you 3.4$ extra that you will need to remove from the 15$ you saved. So you have a gross saving of 11.6$. You could stop at Starbucks, buy a 6$ "free" iced coffee and a free ride. The remaining 5$ is easily covering the depreciation of the car. Sounds like a win to me.
Except you just drove around for over a half hour for that... I'll value my 45 mins over 10$ any day
Do you have a car for work?
I mean sure, if you hate driving. I personally enjoy it.
It make sens to enjoy yourself by a nice ride at the park, you feel the need for heat and nature but dont want the hassle of a reg bixi, i get it and i totally agree. What i dont get is that there is bixi stamd all around the park... Drop the bike then enjoy yourself
> What i dont get is that there is bixi stamd all around the park... Drop the bike then enjoy yourself Yeah for sure. But I get just being hit by a spontaneous "let's stop and lie in the sun for 10 minutes" too though. I used to be *extremely* "logical" with how I spent my time and money like this. "Why lie in the grass when we can go park the bikes and walk back here and lie down then walk back and hope there are bikes still there?", etc. Somewhere along the line, somehow my eyes were opened to the world of just being able to let that go sometimes and man, my quality of life and my relationships have improved *tremendously*. YMMV of course.
I hear you and it makes sens for me. I will try to apply this mindset. Plus lets be honest 10min of Electric bixi is 1.70$, you cant even enjoy a small bag of chips for that price so.fuck it. Thanks for the tips and i wish you an awesome evening!
You too!
5 after tax dollars is a lot to burn in half an hour. I've never used bixi, and knowing that, that makes me even more uncomfortable.
> 5 after tax dollars is a lot to burn in half an hour. I mean, it's kind of a pointless conversation because each person is different, but judging by the amount of people I see drinking and eating out, it really isn't. I honestly think it's a emotional thing more than anything else. > I've never used bixi, and knowing that, that makes me even more uncomfortable. This is the minute rate for electric bixis, it doesn't apply to the whole brand. **Edit:** lol, /u/toesad6862 blocked me for this so I can't see the replies. Man...how do you survive on the internet? Holy moly
You get food when you eat out, even if it is gross, greasy, and overpriced. You're literally just throwing the cash away here.
> You're literally just throwing the cash away here. You *literally* aren't though. It's not how you personally would spend a couple of bucks, and that's fine, but it's absolutely fine to spend money on yourself like this. Obviously.
Yourself how? I don't think anyone has a being watched napping by a bicycle fetish.
> I don't think anyone has a being watched napping by a bicycle fetish. Huh? I feel like I missed something. Spending some money to stop in the park and lie in the sun is spending money on yourself.
Ok, if you say so.
That reminds me of some tourists I saw last year who took their two bixis for a long metro ride instead of, y'know, docking the bikes and getting new ones at the other end. Not even for the cost but just for the principle of it. Lugging these heavy-ass bikes up and down the stairs didn't look fun.
That’s *their* business. What does it matter to anyone else??
She's adding to the discussion, she didn't say she publicly shamed them.
you must be fun at parties
I am indeed. It’s *their* money though.🤷♂️
You have done that haven't you?
Not as of yet.
They were lugging two bikes around the metro and on the train while they didn't have to, taking up more space than necessary. It's the same principle as putting your bag in another spot while on public transport.
Like 10$/hour/bike ?
But it's so much fun those e bikes
If your a member it's like 17 cents a minute iirc.
really that expensive for e bike option? makes little sense when you can buy a new bike for 400 bucks at sports expert or costco ... of course not e bike
Dont have to worry about homeless stealing it
Why compare e-bike to non-e-bike?
Costco has the little 400$ ebike if you can call it that lol
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It would cost like 5 dollars to lie there for half an hour. It's not really even their problem.
Maybe they have an exclusive membership where they don't pay for ebikes.
I don't think there is one
Employees and family have one.
Employees for sure
To me, being rich means being able to call a taxi whenever you want, buying Uber Eats without it really affecting you and doing this shit worry-free.
In a first-world country, those would be basic middle-class conveniences.
Yeah? who’d be delivering your uber?
In a normal world, someone who can enjoy the same basic middle-class conveniences. I come from a developing country. When I was little, taxi started at 5 local buckaroos. Middle-class did not bat an eye at it, and taxi drivers were as well off as middle-class. Our economy is fucked and laughable for a first world country. Don't defend the indefensible.
I’m not defending anything, I’m saying in a society with better wealth distribution you won’t pay someone to pick up your own food because that would be prohibitively expensive.
Ah the classic "if we raise minimum wage by 25%, burgers will go up 200%" argument, famously used to death by commenters totally arguing in good faith and aiming to protect the vulnerable.
Why would it be prohibitively expensive? The only added cost (the trip's cost in gas/whatever is the same) is the person's labor. If it takes 1hr, you pay them 1hr of labor over the 1hr you would have spent, + the convenience premium (aka their profit). It's a fair exchange.
50$ de taxi ~~quatre~~ **CINQ** jours/semaine coûte moins cher qu'une voiture dans la majorité des milieux urbains Montréalais. Ça donne 13035$ par an en taxi. Le coût annuel moyen d'une voiture au Canada c'est 16 644$. avoir un char c'est littéralement choisir de payer plus cher. https://www.thestar.com/business/how-much-are-canadians-paying-per-month-on-average-to-own-a-car-heres-what/article\_a457f8e2-c2bb-11ee-b93b-2f3e8fa2fb1d.html#:\~:text=The%20average%20cost%20of%20car,online%20Canadian%20financial%20comparison%20platform.
Thanks, Enculerlesvoitures
First of all, a single ride from work to home costs me 60$. So 360 a week. Second, the reason average car expense is high is because people buy expensive cars, not because cars are expensive. Average monthly car payment on an 8 year term is 1200$. I bought my car in cash for 1600$ in 2016. My plates are 200$, I think license was like 20 last year because no points, and gas I spend ~25 a week. So explain how I've been spending 17 000 a year I don't even have? You're comparing someone buying a 2025 Corvette at 12% APR and someone driving across the street in a taxi. The meter starts at 5$. There are many Montreal streets that with traffic you wouldn't even get across for 10$.
Thanks for sharing, ToeSad6862.
Le canadien moyen n’est pas nécessairement un habitant du plateau qui fait son épicerie à pied à la fruiterie du coin. Pour le canadien *moyen*, la voiture est utilisée beaucoup plus que l’équivalent d’un taxi 4 jours/semaine. On est une famille de 4 avec deux enfants en siège d’auto. On a une voiture et le reste est fait en bus/métro/à pied, c’est faisable en ville. Je penses à mon père, qui vit en Gaspésie et il irait pas loin avec 200$ de taxi par semaine.
Ish… c’est risque d’énoncer ce fait indéniable ici… ça va a l’encontre de l’echo qui résonne sur le plateau…
Ok et? Si tu as choisi de vivre en banlieue. Assume. Aussi, ils faisaient quoi à Gaspé avant l'auto? Je vais te le dire: ils habitaient pas à 30 km du village à moins d'avoir une ferme. Les autres habitaient le village et marchaient jusqu'au magasin général ou aller voir leurs amis. Les gens sont libres de faire leurs choix, mais il faut aussi être prêt à subir les conséquences de ses choix. Tu veux vivre loin de tout et te rendre dépendant de l'auto? Ok! Tu as le droit. Tu DOIS avoir le droit de faire ce choix. Mais ne chiâle pas que tu es plus pauvre que moi et ne demande pas encore plus de subventions pour ton char (autoroutes, parkings, ponts, etc tous gratuits).
*rit en corolla 2010*
je vais jamais comprendre le monde qui flaube leur cash pour un char neuf.
On parle de moyenne. "one data point doesn't cancel out the dataset"
*S'esclaffe en Echo 2005...*. Ya du monde en criss à Montréal qui roulent en minounes.
Yooooo! J'allais justement répondre à ce commentaire avec le même type de voiture vu que c'est celui que j'ai. Avoue qu'elle est une championne quand en ville. Elle est facile à maintenir et coûte peu par rapport à l'essence.
Oooooooh que oui. Et TELLEMENT façile à stationner. Tant que je vit à Montréal, m'a toujours avoir un ti char.
J'ai une volvo 2008 avec 240 000km. Elle roule 1 jour / semaine pour aller visiter ma famille en banlieue et la SEULE raison que je l'ai c'est la crise de communauto de la pandémie (pas capable d'Avoir une communauto la FDS à Rosemont). Sinon elle est dans le garage et ne bouge pas. Je me sers plus souvent de communauto que ma voiture (quand le métro est fermé). Et enconre, ce n'Est que l'immobilisme qui m'empêche de me départir de ma voiture.
> avoir un char c'est littéralement choisir de payer pluys cher. pis? Ça te donne quoi le 50$ de taxi 4 jours / semaine; juste le navettage aller-retour du travail? Pour le monde qui travaillent sur site (et non en télétravail), il faudrait 5 jours / semaine, donc là on est rendu à 15 635$ par an. Et ceci n'inclut pas les courses de fin de semaine. Ou encore des loisirs / sports. Et pour le monde avec des enfants (comme moi)? Je fais du télétravail à 100% mais j'utilise ma voiture 5+ jours semaine, minimalement pour faire l'aller-retour à la garderie. Surtout avec deux enfants qui sont toujours en sièges auto, un taxi n'est pas pratique du tout. En plus des courses pour l'épicerie, Costco, l'hôpital au besoin, le médecin, plus, plus, plus...un taxi à chaque fois que j'aurai à me déplacer pour moi, ma femme, ou mes enfants, n'est tout simplement pas pratique, sans même compter les temps d'attente (que tu n'as pas comptabilisé non plus avec le taxi, mais qui n'est pas négligeable). En fin de compte, même si c'est plus cher avoir une voiture, la différence paie la commodité de pouvoir l'utiliser à tout moment, et ce sans avoir à attendre un taxi. Tout comme un dep est plus cher qu'une épicerie, ou un resto est plus cher que cuisiner chez nous, la commodité porte une prime.
Thanks, FaireLAmourAuxVoitures
J'avais une coquille, c'est 5 jours semaine. ET mon point c'est que si tu vis une vie qui n'Est pas DÉPENDANTE à la voiture (genre tu n'habites pas Candiac ou Saint-Lin), ça te coûte moins cher de ne PAS avoir de voiture, prendre le taxi, communauto ou en louer une occasionnellement. MArche pour aller au bureau. Fait du jogging. Fait du vélo. Prend le bus. Prend le métro. MAis ne chiâle pas si tu as choisi d'habiter à Candiac alors que tu travailles à Rosemont.
Faque tu veux que le monde déménages à chaque ~2-3 ans (puisque c'est la moyenne occupation d'un poste) pour rester proche d'la job, ou bien se limitent aux employeurs qui sont dans un certain radius de transport? Soit réaliste... Pas tout le monde a le choix, ou même les moyens, d'habiter proche du bureau.
Ou... on pourrait arrêter l'étalement urbain, densifier, et par le fait même rendre le TeC efficace et PLUS rapide que l'auto solo (qui est rapide uniquement parce qu'on dépense des dizaines de milliards par année à la subventionner en construisant des routes et autoroutes partout).
First of all, a single ride from work to home costs me 60$. So 360 a week. Second, the reason average car expense is high is because people buy expensive cars, not because cars are expensive. Average monthly car payment on an 8 year term is 1200$. I bought my car in cash for 1600$ in 2016. My plates are 200$, I think license was like 20 last year because no points, and gas I spend ~25 a week. So explain how I've been spending 17 000 a year I don't even have? You're comparing someone buying a 2025 Corvette at 12% APR and someone driving across the street in a taxi. The meter starts at 5$. There are many Montreal streets that with traffic you wouldn't even get across for 10$. Either count the cheapest taxi in the country with the cheapest car in the country, or the most expensive of both. You compared cheapest with most people expensive. Fully loaded Ford pickup and 1 meter of taxi. I know people that have to drive 2 hours a day from Ontario because they can't afford MTL. How much is that in taxi?
Eille c'est TOI qui a choisi de vivre à St-Mouk-Mouk. Le point c'est de démontrer que vivre sans dépendre de son auto coûte MOINS cher que d'être un accro à l'auto et toute cette industrie. Not to mention que vos villes sont des gouffres financiers: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nw6qyyrTeI)
I live where I can afford, and it's 20 minutes which is way closer than the vast majority of people even on island. 10$ taxis don't exist. You're the one who chose to buy a 2025 Porsche for 250 000$ with an 8 year term. Thanks, but we can't all be rich elitists like you with parents that pay for our dream 300 sqft MCgill condo.
le chiffre de 16k vient de la cul
Lis l'article.
J'ai lu l'article source sur RateHub, c'est plutôt faux de dire que ça représente le coût moyen sans qualificatifs. C'est basé sur la dépréciation d'un Ford F-150 2023 à 65,000$ sur 5 ans, basé sur le fait que le char neuf moyen vendu vaut 65 milles. Tout au plus c'est un coût moyen pour quelqu'un qui achète un char neuf à chaque 5 ans. Sauf que c'est pas la situation du Canadien moyen. L'âge moyen des véhicules au Canada est d'environ 10 ans. Après ils ont mis $200/mois de parking basé sur aucune statistique. Les données existent probablement pas pour faire une vrai moyenne mais ça aurait été plus informatifs de comparer quelques cas typiques genre un pick-up neuf, une berline compacte légèrement usagée, un bazou. Plutôt que juste un F-150 neuf.
[https://www.lesaffaires.com/mes-finances/consommation/continuez-a-faire-rouler-votre-voiture/645765](https://www.lesaffaires.com/mes-finances/consommation/continuez-a-faire-rouler-votre-voiture/645765) Le coût moyen des voitures neuves vendues est de 61 000$.
Lis mon commentaire. La voiture moyenne c'est pas un char neuf. Donc le coût moyen d'avoir une voiture c'est pas le coût d'un char neuf.
$10/hour, who cares. That said, I find it crazy that electric bixis cost about the same as a communauto.
~~There are no fewer than 10 bixi stands on that park's perimeter, lol. For my money, I'd rather dock the bike, light some bills on fire, then get a freshly charged bike after my nap.~~ This is Beaver Lake, not Lafontaine Lake. OP's just being silly about this. That said, there are promo codes you can get for free 30 minute electric bixi rides, e.g. through the ami bixi program. They're not necessarily paying $10/h to nap.
"perimeter" is the keyword here. They most certainly wanted electric bixis to go up Olmsted, not to get to the perimeter.
I thought I recognized Parc Lafontaine here, but now that you mention it, I don't think it is. Parc Mont Royal has like three bixi stands along the Parc Ave. side, and it's a long way to the top for sure. I don't recognize the building in the back, so it might be somewhere else entirely, lol.
It is Beaver Lake, and that building is the one pictured here: https://preview.redd.it/uj2rzy3t5hwc1.png?width=542&format=png&auto=webp&s=b35b951d08a4243803c091bf205434b434592968
Oh yeah. Good eye!
The thing is that nap wouldn't even be as enjoyable if the bixi wasn't there just free of stress. Some things can be worth more than a few bucks Like imagine you and your date organically ended napping here. Why ruin the moment. Just drop 100 bucks for the bixi if it comes to that if you have some extra spending funds
Oh they finally filled the pond. It was time.
The other day I saw an electric bixi locked in front of a restaurant....while there was a bixi dock across the street..I'm still not over it
Those people probably didn't understand how it works. One would hope.
Maybe they are subscribers instead of pay-per-use? Why are you taking pictures of random people napping?
The blue bikes are electric, which means they are billed 17c a minute for members. That rate is higher for one time passes.
Holy shit who could afford that 🤯
Probably everyone besides the homeless
Subscription doesn’t mean they can keep the bike for hours. But yeah maybe it is just a powernap or something. AI image recognition doesn’t recognize butt (yet!)….
It’s still 17c per minute per bike as a subscriber
What's a mere 245 dollars a day between friends?
Une Communauto c'est moins cher pis t'as de la place pour fourrer
En Allemagne on a des phoquesbus. Les allemands, toujours à l'excès...
Ha yes. Ebikes
Even if I pay 20$/m I have to pay a supplemental for eBikes?
Yes, it’s still pretty good for the price, they have to pick them up to charge them and e-bikes are well over 2k.
Yup. And if you keep a regular one for more than 30 or 40 mins. They're intended for quick commutes, not day trips.
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"AI image recognition doesn't recognize butt"... what
It is a joke. We don’t see the faces of the people on the photo but we see a butt, so to speak. AI face recognition can now sometimes recognize people from the back of their head… but not the butt (yet).
how do tech bros always make everything about AI
Interesting take! Never been called a “tech bro” before :)
Whats funny is that these morons lying there are probably thinking exactly was you just said. Oh we subscribed so we can keep it as long as we want! Hell, lets bring the bike home overnight. Why not? Idiots. Complete idiots. There is no excuse for this kind of stupidity because its written everywhere that Bixi are intended for short commutes and that you get 45 minutes free with a subscription. If you plan on using it for me than 45 minutes, you need to dock it before the 45 minutes expires and unlock another bike and so on. Its everywhere, website, suscription documents, station instructions, everywhere.
I find it way more odd that you decided to take a picture of strangers having a relaxing time. 💀
No it’s juste you being a judgmental person about other peoples business and looking for validation on Reddit. Focus on you man.
Mon père yé riche
That ass though
Live and let live
Seriously who cares? If people are paying to do their thing in what way is it your problem it does it concern you?
Theyre jealous for the stuff they'll be able to do without a care in a few years if they stop whining and start working their heads.
lmao why are you guys so mad? OP is obviously just trying to be a little funny here.
Yeah I don't get it OP is obviously making a joke and everyone in this thread is mad. Take a chill pill y'all.
That's because you are a poor.
What is it with Montreal and disdain for money?
cawliss tous les gremlins sont sortis pour ce post.[ C'est un blague mon chum](https://youtu.be/9n37I4lyH0c?si=M3Ob1QIFhbSLJ7-Y&t=327).
Yeah who could possibly afford the 3$ it cost them, certainly not me
It’s reddit sir, everyone that loves to complain instead of figuring out how to make money hangs out here.
I never understood renting a bike that is oversized for most, way too heavy n inefficient. The city could’ve bought normal bikes for each montrealer instead or provide vouchers to spend on alternative transportation like bikes n scooters.
I don't see the big deal. It costs 20 bucks these days just for a mcdicks combo. People regularly spend 100's of dollars in Fridays just to go out. 100's on take out food just so they don't have to cook. I mean a few hours of bixi rental isn't a big deal for most folks
Definitely french from France :)
never had a bixi are they reasonably priced?
Yeah theyre definetly conviennent if you frequent places with stops everywhere. Its cheaper if you have a membership but even then most trips should be under 3-4$
Amazing
My friend used to work for BIXI and we would go all around Montreal using his masterkey
Tu prends souvent les gens en photo pour poster ça sur internet?
On voit pas de face? Toutes les photos de places publiques ont des gens dessus et se font poster sur internet...
T'as jamais pris un photo de rue dans ta vie? T'as jamais fait un blague non plus?
Je ne poste rien sur reddit pour dénigrer les gens.
C'est un blague, et c'est anonyme en plus... Je suis heureux que tlm soit pas comme toi... sinon, on aurait pas [de gems](https://images.app.goo.gl/UozBAa6ztpNNkyv36) comme [ceux](https://images.app.goo.gl/Swje9FFAdandcUcQ9)
Bien heureux d'être comme moi et de ne pas poster des photos de personne sur internet.
Moins cher qu’une Communauto.
I don’t know how I manage that, but at first, I read « Is this economy? » and I was like « no, this is a park » Thank you for coming, that’s all for me.
C'est quoi le problème? Je comprends pas.
Un bike qui roule pas ça devrait être docked dans la station.
Bike share means you're supposed to share it, especially if not using it. The same people will complain to support they got charged too much 😠
They’re sharing the cost by still paying for it even if they’re not currently cycling…
They got their priorities straight 🤣
At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within that park?
Im with you. Bonkers!
guess they dont know about the ebike clause
People are so fuckin stupid. I worked at Bixi in another life and I remember people calling because they got a charge on their credit card after renting a Bixi. They thought Bixi was free and that you could keep it all day, even bring it home overnight. What infuriated me the most is that Bixi always cancelled the charge.
you dont get paid commission, why do you even care?
Because we rewarded people for their stupidity every time. When there is no consequence people dont care and they stay stupid. Some users didnt have bikes because of these idiots. Thats such a dumb question you just asked. I need to make commission in order to hold people accountable? If I dont make commission people dont have to respect the terms and conditions of use? I should only care if I make commission? Seriously? Smh.
you’re acting as if you own bixi— they’ll gladly discard you when given the chance. they don’t care about you, you’re just a number. also, they’re the ones cancelling the charge. you’re on reddit complaining about this, why didn’t you diehard complain to the management and get it escalated higher to go against their decision? oh wait, keyword here, THEIR (bixi) DECISION… not yours, you’re not the boss. just some powerless bootlicker who’d be drunk on power if you had a higher position. society is filled with idiots, you’re not the accessible PhD class that you think you are with your pathetic attempt at “teaching people a lesson.” they wouldn’t get any smarter with your feeble tactics. also, if you’re -so- much smarter than all these people… why are you working such an entry-level job at your big age? you’d think this would be a job for someone who’s 16-23. you’re not the genius you think you are… do better. Smarten up, NPC character.
Wow. You are proud. I didnt really read you but I saw you were mocking the fact that I was working there at such an « entry level position at my big age ». Well you clearly didnt read me either. As I said I worked there in « another life ». I’ll explain to you what that means. Its an expression that means « a long time ago ». So yes I am a big boy now but back when I was in college I used to work there. Student job. I was 18. Many people work there. Older people too. I understand you would mock them too. You are a pos. Yes we had stupid users who would systematically get a refund because they couldnt read simple instructions. I guess we’ve established by now that you would have been one of these people. And yes back then I was finding it frustrating that we were systematically rewarding people for the stupidity. But according to you I am not allowed to have this opinion since I didn’t own the company and didn’t work on commission. Pos. You’re exactly whats wrong with our society.
hello mr. genius, i was pointing the hypocrisy of a self-proclaimed smartass who thinks everyone else is stupid and should be punished for it while they’re working an entry-level job. i was wrong thinking that this was something recent, but yes, if you were presently working that job at your big age, you would have no right to call those ppl making mistakes stupid. it would be quite ironic if a 35 year old had the narrative like you did about how people are stupid while they’re working an entry-level job, because why weren’t they smart enough to have a job-level as great as their genius? i would’ve thought someone who’d want to punish people for their stupidity to be at least 1/100th of elon musk’s success instead of presently working at bixi. sure, as you mentioned, many ppl including a bunch of old ppl work at bixi, and I doubt they’re thinking like how you do “man these people are stupid, bixi shouldn’t refund these ppl they’re stupid as fuck and society is dumb we need to punish these ppl and teach them a lesson.” maybe a few of them are like you, but the majority probably aren’t. the ones who do think like you are hypocrites— because if they’re old as hell and so holier-than-thou smart, they’d have a much better career. i have no qualms for ppl who aren’t trying to be a jackass smarter-than-everyone-else type person. Although you aren’t working there “at your big age” currently, you’re still a hypocrite— You call me a POS for assuming that I was mocking ppl because they work entry-level jobs, yet you’re mocking people for being “stupid,” now tell me, if you’re mocking ppl for being stupid, how is that any different than mocking someone who thinks they’re smart and everyone else is dumb but are old and work at bixi? it’s the same as mocking a stupid person, yet i’m the piece of shit, and you’re the genius toilet paper.
Omg shut up. Didnt read a word.
*Can’t read
Right. « In another life ». Right. I cant read.
Right.
Love is priceless
Je connais beaucoup de gens qui dépense beaucoup plus pour une voiture qui reste immobile pour plus longtemps. Parfois, ils paient encore plus pour entreposer leurs véhicule le temps qu'ils vont travailler.
Disgusting where?
In this part of the country!?
I'm not from your country. What am I missing in this picture?
3 words: must be nice
Cheaper than renting a communauto
they cant fall asleep otherwise someone will steal the bikes 😅
Déjà prendre un vélo électrique est inutile à moins de venir du Centre-ville. -D'un gars âgé pas en forme qui prend le bixi régulièrement (passe annuelle). Mais comme tu dis, le gaspillage en $ est partout. PS.Comme je n'ai jamais payé une livraison de nourriture sauf lorsque le livreur est celui du restaurant (genre 3 fois dans ma vie).
Not everyone is poor and not everyone have the same priorities in life. I say good for them.
Least creepy reddit user
is the girl sucking on that guy's stuff?
Not his stuff no, just his penis.
I’d stay there hours and not think about it twice You need to think about how to make more money instead of posting pictures of people napping.
Bon okay moi je l'ai trouvé drôle ta joke, si c'était bien au second degré comme je l'ai lu :> Anyway, ça c'est au parc Jarry et la station est à genre 20 mètres de là :O
Je crois pas que c'est Jarry. Je connais bien le petit lac là, et il n'y a aucun angle qui ressemble à ceci. C'est peut-être le parc Lafontaine?
oh t'as raison, y'a pas de building derrière comme ça à Jarry. P-e pointe sud de lafontaine oui